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of possibilities. stolen, on a cold, december night. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline". i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. >> coming up on the mehdi hassan show. it's the job that no one. once democracy can't function without them. we show you how maga republicans are making it harder than ever, to hire the officials we need to run the elections. plus, the white house is working to avert a massive railroad strike, otherwise known as governing. and republicans are apparently more concerned with owning the libs. i'll explain. and, it's a bipartisan travesty, american aim to brutal dictatorships like egypt. i speak to demonstrate savannah, and to murphy. trying to change that.
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welcome to the show. i'm mehdi hassan. i want to show you a job posting right now on recruiting say like glass door. director of registration and elections fulton county, georgia. this is where you can apply to be the top elections official for atlanta and this suburb, for the biggest county in the state. you can apply right here on line. there's a fancy brochure attached to the posting. they can experience world-class art, shopping, sports, dining, entertainment, including the museums, the history center, presidential library and the world of coca-cola museum. the world of coca-cola museum. now, if you're recruiting for any job you have to make a hard sell. the job of running elections in the fulton county, georgia, is a hard sell. it's been vacant for ten months. why might people not want that
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job. in addition to all the responsibilities, they gave press conferences in late 2020. >> i also want to hear a statement about a video, that i'm sure some of you have circulating about an election. they have been accused of discarding a ballot, while being assigned to operating one of the five ballot cutting machines. he was discarding a list of instructions that had been put into one of the envelope's. it was taken and uploaded today. he's currently in hiding because he's had threats, he's had to shut down all of his social media and they know all his personal information was released. >> the person debunking that that baseless and dangerous trump conspiracy, that was richard barron, director of
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elections and fulton county. he stepped down last fall after eight years of overseeing voter registration, and polling places, ballot counting, found himself with other georgia election officials on the front line against trump's big lie. defending himself and his staff from threats and conspiracy theories. they overturned's vote, and infamous call to the top brass thinking alone. ruby freeman and her daughter's seamus served at his election workers. in exchange for the service they became targets. >> a lot of threats. wishing death upon me. telling me that, you know, i'll be in jail with my mother. and same things, be glad it's 2020 and not 19 2020. >> i get nervous when i have to
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give my money for food orders. i'm always concerned of who is around me. i've lost my name and my reputation. i've lost my sense of security. >> how do you convince someone to work on election conference when you see that? turn >> elections official told the new york times, a county clerk had started wearing body armor to work. and the justice department as threats to election workers. >> i'm concerned about the disturbing nature of the threats that we have seen. they've been disturbingly aggressive and violent and personal. we set up an election threats task force. >> so reboots were rubric to
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hole found election figures were threatening. they left a job because of safety. now look, the tactic of harassing and intimidating electoral workers isn't new, well just republican operatives stormed a miami office where they took credit for the whole thing but by the time voter being counted in 2020 election workers were facing much more serious threats. i can tell you that i'm wife and my mother are very concerned for me. but we have security here. we have law enforcement that are protecting us, and i'm concerned for the safety of my staff. >> in texas, about a few hours south of austin, they hire deputy guards and police after 2020. it's known for its peach harvest, and it's vineyards. but it's not known as the political back to ground. trump carried the battle with
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77% of the vote. nonetheless, election staff continued to face harassment and threats. and they resigned in recent weeks. all of them top officials told a local newspaper that after the 2020 election, i was threatened. i have been stopped, called out on social media. and it's just dangerous misinformation. now early voting for the midterms is just weeks away but if you're not on to the gillespie county website. right now, you'll see that the elections ministry there is tbd. understaffed, and under paired herrera told the paper. and i've been asking help for a while. and at some point. you just have to take care of yourself. but in a resignation letter, she said there's an official reason that she's leaving the job quote, absurd legislation. has completely changed the job i initially accepted. she's quoted to the package of voting restrictions that they passed last year. that barred election officials
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from having the vote by mail. that bar them from applications that they requested. first that empowered parties and poll watchers. when we talk about the absence of election workers, we don't only talk about the ridiculous and shocking threats and intimidation, we also need to talk about the republican legislatures that are making it harder for election workers to do their jobs. since the beginning of last year, 18 states have passed restrict voting laws according to the center. in georgia the election integrity act of 2021 put it on voting. but they also gave state election officials, people appointed by the legislature, the power to swoop in and take over election offices. perhaps offices like the one in fulton county where he was in charge until last fall. baron pointed to the law as another reason that he left the job. the threats, i could've done it with those. he told the washington post. but i was tired of trying to fight for the job every day, he said.
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asserting that republican officials on the commission, and in the same legislature, made the role and hospitable. it's true republican officials in battlegrounds like georgia in arizona said 4 am on the big lie. but it's also true that those same the republicans have defended the laws that now make it harder to cast ballots and make it harder for officials like richard barron to do his jobs. in his goal to overturn the 2020 election, donald trump failed. but his effort to weaken our elections, to limit ballot access. to frighten away the people who make our voting goes smoothly, that may be working. and if you don't believe me, just try fighting someone to run, the key elections officers in the country. ahead of november joining me now is richard barron, the former director of registration and elections in fulton county, georgia. also here in from georgia, natasha brown, cofounder for the fund. thank you both for coming on the show. richard, let me start with you. it's not just your staff that you yourself that came under attack from trump. you put your face up on the
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screen and rally you said that you received more than 100 phone calls after the 2020 election, what was that like? and had you ever experience an ending like that before? >> no i've never experienced anything close to that before, i mean, after the 2018 election, there was some of that that happened because once stacey abrams lost, there were some people that came up, because there were some operations overseas in former soviet countries. so i had people accuse me of being a russian mall at that point. >> but not quite the same as a death threats and violent threats? >> no i didn't have any of the death threats in the december of 2020. >> talk about not only the threats in the intimidation, but how did the georgia voting law make it harder for you to do your job? >> i think that there were several things. first of all they compress the
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time that you can send an absentee by mail. it also put the investigation on us that the secretary of state can order or the state election board. and that happened. but lucky lee there were three upstanding people that were appointed to that investigation committee. and from everything that they told me before i left, they had no plans to take it over. i don't know what has happened since but that is a threat that is out there. and it is unfortunate because i think it weaponizes the state election board who are dominated by republicans. >> natasha we have an election coming up this november. one of the risks of local election offices like the one here not having a public director in place? >> i think that's what we're seeing right now. we're seeing a space where they
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have no direction, or having clear direction. sometimes it's even the confusion. and sometimes you add to the. fear that you do have election officials. it's been hard around couric rooting even poll workers because there is so much uncertainty. and there was so much connected to people feeling unsafe. as we just heard. the third thing is really around how this administrative process has been weaponized on all levels. not only as it's been weaponized against voters. to create a sense of fear and intimidation against voters. but also workers. for the most part when you look at the state. the state has really ran in the last ten years. you're looking at the state where you've had republican and democrat election officials who run quite frankly on the election board. people who know the process that work with the system in integrity, and now we're seeing the politicization of even the administration process to weaponize it in such a way. and i think that's the death of attrition. that we're going to undermine
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and consolidate power through attrition. able to damage and create this culture of able workers. >> what advice would you give in this day and age of everyone who wants to be an election office in georgia or any other battleground state? >> i think one of the scariest things that just isn't the death threats in those types of things. you need to establish some sort of relationship with the i guess the commissioners, the county commissioners. because you have a lot of county commissioners. especially in fulton county. who perpetuate falsehoods and they also will take things out of context in reports. and in fact we had one commissioner who told us that we were the worst election department of all the third world countries in the world. i served as an election observer in many third world countries. and i don't know if he's ever been out of country. but to make accusations like
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that especially to an elections department that had 99.9% black staff. i think burgeoned on racism. and i think that's one of the things that. when you come in and you work for fulton county, you have to know that fulton county. even though it's the 50th largest county in the state. punches way above its weight. there is a lot of responsibility there because it seems to be the heart of the civil rights lute movement. where martin luther king's from. so anyone who's coming into fulton county, or even the rest of georgia. they have to recognize what georgia means to the west of the country. >> yeah. well played. natasha, is that the chaos. go on. >> i just want to say i'm glad that he brought up racism. because at the end of the day it has been a state that is literally been rooted in racism and how it is treated differently, black voters in the state. also when we're seeing how the republicans, we can actually make.
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this is not about bipartisanship. this is about being honest and truthful. they're weaponizing the process and create a process controlling the straight legislature that creates these laws and makes them supersede the process. if there's one thing to say, you know. where people are are making these statements. and it's another thing where we actually have the power. where people have the pap to weaponize. and creates a structure that weaponizes. >> natasha, isn't the chaos the point? the gop is a combination of incitement against lawmakers. an election loss to tie their hands. they seem to want the system to be dysfunctional and a disaster. that seems to be the goal? >> that is the point chaos in the cruelty is the point. a part of what we see, you know i always talk about voter suppressor. and one is restricting access to ballots, second is creating a culture of fear. and weaponizing the administration process. what you see playing out right
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now is a combination of all those things. when you see the recent administration laws that have passed and also the context in the conversation that is happening in the state, we have to really recognize that democracy. it's one thing to fight at the ballot box around what party gets power. it's another thing to now use the power in such a way that you are creating a process to give your particular power and unfair advantage. we have to be able to call this out. this is anti-democratic. >> some might even call it semi fetishistic both of you. thank you for your time. appreciate it. still to come! egypt receives billions of dollars in aid from american tax papers despite their disgraceful record of human rights. chris murphy of connecticut is calling the biden administration to halt back hundreds of millions of dollars in the funds to pressure egypt and making reforms in human rights failed. join us live through the break! don't go away!
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democrats slammed donald trump for, and rightfully so. is the love affair with dictators. he called north korea's jim jiang earn a talented man who loves his country very much. he often praised vladimir putin, once telling fox and friends. i think in terms of leadership get an a. and when it comes to egypt's
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leader, considered by many to be the most oppressive roller in history. trump i kid you not. call him his favorite dictator the wall street journal called him the favorite dictator. two americans and egyptian officials. i read stuff like that and i am disgusted seriously. this is the person responsible for some of the worst human rights abuses on the planet cc trump's favorite, has overseen that right now. according to human rights groups. holds about 60,000 political prisoners. that's about half of the total jail population. and human rights watch report from january said security forces have affected with impunity giving into arbitrary arrests. and extradition all killings. he shouldn't be everyone's favorite anything but donald trump isn't the only one who's given him a pass egypt has been given billions of dollars and u.s. aid for decades in recent
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years, on the repressive watch. our congress put human rights related conditions on $300 million a year of that billion dollar plus u.s. aid trump overruled that. and despite candidate joe biden saying that no more blank checks for cc. he has not stuck to his word as president it's not just his buddy buddy face to face meeting with them in july where he also fist bumped with mbs. but even before that, last year the biden administration handed over 117 million of aid to egypt from that 300 million that was supposed to be tied to human rights reforms. and this year? same thing. officials said on wednesday that the state departments decided to again give it 100 and $70 million of the conditional funding to egypt despite no evidence of human rights abuses being addressed. now not everyone is on board with this. this week several lawmakers including the chair of the house foreign affairs committee
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sent a letter to the state department asking the entire 300 million dollar contingent on human rights reforms being withheld from egypt. and democratic senator chris murphy made a senator or call on the floor. >> every day that we continue to send billions of dollars to the egyptian government, while paying lip service to these egregious human rights violations, it is a blow both to our nations character and to our credibility around the world. for that reason i would urge the administration to withhold the full $300 million as called for by the appropriations act until egypt's record gets better. >> he is right. of course he is. but is anyone in the white house or the state department listening? let's ask him. senator chris murphy. democrat from kinetic. member of the senate foreign relations committee senator welcome back to the show. the u.s. is gonna move forward with giving each of the
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majority of age that was going to be conditioned on egypt improving the human rights record. but each year it sees the state department finds a way around that contingency or argues that egypt is improving. that was a lie when the trump state department that it and it was a lie when the biden state department said. it isn't it? >> i think this is a real big missed opportunity to stand up for human rights it is just so not true that egypt is making clear consistent progress on human rights as the law commands them to do in order to receive this aid. you're talking about a country that has 60,000 political prisoners right now estimates are that china has 1000 and russia has many as 100 or 200. that's just a stunning scope of political repression what we know is that last year they released about 1% of that 16,000. that's not the kind of progress that would command the release of these dollars so my pitch to
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the administration is simple. you have to walk the walk on human rights and democracy if you want to be believed when you talk the talk and in egypt, this is a country that probably is going to cooperate with this on areas of engagement because it isn't their best interest. and they're not doing it simply in exchange for our military finance and i think we should've held back the full amount. it would've sent a really strong signal around the world that we are serious about our partners and about the human rights commitments that they make. >> and as i mentioned in the interim nash and, they made a -- aegis specific record on political prisoners. as you mentioned 60,000 political prisoners. this week the garden reported that a prominent one, abdul, a british egyptian, has now told his family that he would die in prison. he spent most of the last decade in and out of prison arrested in 2019, came with no clear directions around him.
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he's been on a hunger strike for six months. what's standing out from biden coming out and calling for the release of the u.s. residents behind bars in egypt? >> i will say the administration has been working hard on trying to get the release of prisoners but it is just one step forward into steps back when it comes to egypt's treatment of the detainees. uf people being locked up in egypt for social media posts and simply attending a political protest. i think the reason why the administration isn't willing to go as far as i would like in terms of delivering a message in support of human rights in egypt. is because they worried that egypt will disengage with us on our counterterrorism work, and they may not be is willing to step in and mitigate crises and west bank when they occur between israel and the palestinians but my thing is that egypt us it's things
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because it's the best interest of them to be cooperating. it's in their interests be cooperating with the west bank. and i don't think we have a lot to fear if we send a stronger message about what we need from them in order to be the recipient of one point -- billion dollars of taxpayer aid. >> yeah in counterterrorism someone would argue that it is a cause of terrorism. the former leader of al-qaeda became radicalized behind bars in egypt. but let me ask you about the bigger picture in foreign aid for the highly troubling leaders. you and i have discussed this on the show. and it's talked about in the senate this week. i do wonder if joe biden, if the state department were to listen to you and say okay we're gonna condition for aid and cut foreign aid. we're gonna recalibrate our elections. who are responsible for human rights abuses? where would it end? would we get a positive slippery slope? because we have a long list of allies who beyond that list in
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saudi arabia. israel turkey. many of them lock them up for the political speech. lock-up dissidents. it's a slippery slope even if it is a positive slippery slope >> i agree. and i guess to me if you're talking about egypt a country that has more political prisoners probably ten times more political prisoners than any other nation that we deal with it is a clear cut case and i agree that there will be other countries in which it is a deeper question as to how far they have slid away from democrats and how critical they are to u.s. security. but when we look at countries like egypt and saudi arabia. countries that have engaged in these massive, very public human rights abuses. i just think that when we stay in business with them at the level that we have been in it does particular damage to our credibility around the world. and so i do think it makes sense to elevate a handful of these cases. >> agreed.
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and you remember that during the 2020 campaign elizabeth warren your colleague came out saying that we should come out to israel israel of course does not have egypt's political prisoner problem. but it is in charge of the world's largest military occupation and is accused of human rights abuses would you be in israel as well. . i think israel is number two? >> i do think that we have a very special obligation. a different obligation to secure the state of israel. i might not support the kind of conditioning on israel aid that other colleagues have talked about. but i think we're gonna have to talk. this new coalition government very carefully and the palestinians are more likely not less likely but i haven't gotten there yet to really argue over conditions on the aid. but all of us are watching the behavior of the government very
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closely >> okay valid in the future. we'll see if he got there one last question before we let you go on a different subject. something close to your heart. we have this big pipe partisan gun control bill passed in june. that you have to push in the senate you offered a lot of good measures in there yet tragically sadly the reality is that there is still a drop in the ocean when it comes to the sheer scale of gun violence in america right now just this week we saw in houston, kids at a high school watching as they had swat teams into a classroom after an active shooter call was made. but they still went through that very traumatic experience there so much more to be done on gun violence, and mass shootings despite the stork bill that was passed? >> it's personal to me i've got a fourth grader and a seventh grader who really plan for where they would run to in the public schools of a shooting came inside. of course we have more but what happened this summer is fundamental, the first time in 30 years at the gun industry
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loss. and what i know about history of creating social change movements in our nation's history that when they get the first when they do not stop. in fact, it's the beginning of many future wins so i admit that what we did this summer is substantial, but not sufficient. and i think now that we have the gun lobby on the defensive, now we can actually see the power of their voice and now republicans find out that the sky does not fall when they cross the gun lobby, we can take the next steps universal background checks and the restriction of these military style weapons that are weapons of choice for mass killers. i think it is the beginning of an era in which we are going to be ratcheting up winds. >> we have 30 seconds left. a quick left one, dan boulder, candidate new hampshire against your colleague, said to margaret hassan. he is an election denier. he is someone that democrats actually funded as kind of promoting. is that a strategy that you support? was it wise for democrats
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across the country to spend their time promoting some of these candidates? >> this is a tactic that republicans have used for decades, possibly centuries. since they've been around, you try to midwife your opponents election process to get the weakest candidate running against you. i know it feels like it's higher stakes today because of how dangerous these candidates are, but the results in us gets a few extra seats in the senate, being able to change the rules of the senate. to be able to pass protections of democracy than i think that a lot of skeptics around the country are gonna see as a pretty wide strategy. >> it's a big if senator because if he does get the senate, democrats may have to have a conversation about the strategy. senator chris murphy thank you for your time today. >> thank you appreciate. it >> still to come! christian nationalists and congresswoman lauren is back in the news not for spreading lies about the 2020 presidential election, or ilhan omar, it's
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should we check in on the politicians who as of right now are likely as to be president for january 2025? here's donald trump. he's holding meetings on golf courses without any golf clubs. well hosting a criminal
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investigation and posting through it on social media spinning out and denying his -- then there's florida governor ron desantis. who some would say a truck affectedly traffic to play modes of migrants dropping them 1200 miles away in marthasville and when a representative for martha's vineyard start tweeting updates. saying islanders were coming together as a committee to support them. he got them to have the desantis's spokesperson for the campaign to quote. there may be a space at the obama's mansion for a few dozen illegal aliens. maybe go check on that. just another spite filled response from the proud christians who run the sunshine state. and then, there is joe biden. what is the sitting president been up to this week as the top republican candidates for his job were working on their impulses? just helping to broker deal but
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between railroad companies and the workers to derail a strike that could've paralyzed the country. >> today is a win, and i mean this sincerely, i went for america. >> this is supreme validation. validation that i've always believed. unions and migrants can work together for the benefit of everyone. >> i know, you're probably thinking who better to tackle a railroad labored dispute then train lover and amtrak development joe biden. but this was a special case. talks had gone on for two weeks and they sold when railroad or's cy moore breaks in the draconian schedules. but in the talks, bright and proud the parties together in a crucial role wednesday night. to get a deal done before a strike deadline on the weekend. and according to the washington post, three of biden secretaries, his top economic recognize, or and the staff were involved in the talks on
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an hourly basis. the result? announced late wednesday night was a tentative agreement that would give the rail workers the biggest increase in four decades. along with annual bonuses, and gain guaranteed days off. the union still has the vote on it, and it's still a compromise bill. it doesn't give them everything they wanted. you don't have to walk or anything in the deal, but it serves as one of the key differences between the man who wanted to be president in 2025, joe biden is trying to govern. his republican opponents just want to troll. joining me now is peter goodman, global economic correspondent for the new york times. who has been following the dispute closely. he's also the author of the book, devils, man how the billionaires divide the world. there's a look in the tentative railroad deal, including bonuses, and pale row increases. but they had a punishing schedule, and front, they got a single additional paid day off.
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they can also take time off for a routine doctors opponents without being penalized, and wouldn't lose attendance points for hospitalizations and procedures. these are basic and minimal gains. one extra day of ptdo. they don't get five for seeing a doctor. is this america in 2022 or victorian england? >> this is very much america in 2022, i mean, it's true that this is a big deal because the alternative was a potentially crippling strike. it's happening with consumer prices, we're worried about continued disruptions of the surprise chain and forget the walkie talkie, that's how people get stuff. and the supply chain problems at ports, rail, at trucking firms. that is contributed to rising prices, in those prices hit everyone. and that's the source of real economic excite-y. so, it's a good thing that the rails are moving, but let's be clear that the so-called return to normalcy is a version of
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normalcy where to your point, large numbers of people are in jobs where it's really hard for them to even get a day off to go see a doctor. or take a kid to a doctor. normalcy is extreme exploitation for large segments of the workforce in the supply chain. >> and there's a financial reason for that. earlier this week he reported on how real world companies have been reporting jobs in recent years. but you cite biden administration saying quote. the five largest railroads have spent 114 billion dollars to buy back their shares, and they wanted to boost sock prices rather than using it to bolster the roots. standing on stock buybacks while workers are stretched ever thinner? shouldn't the administration have held the feet to the fire a little bit more? >> well, we can get there from here, that was the chief regulator for the railroads, we're talking about the head of the service representation
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board. this is a good issue that goes far beyond rail, this is a central issue in the american economy at large. where you have companies, and we've seen this during the spy chain disruption that slash inventories and the term of ours is just in time. instead of spending money to have warehouses in case something goes wrong, why not pay bonuses to its executives and shareholders through share buybacks and dividends. that all works fine until something does go wrong. and then we discover that our systems are really stretched thin. in the case of rail, the version of just in time is something called precision scheduled railroading which is an opportunity to lay off roughly 20% of the roark force the five years before the pandemic, and people had to move more and more cargo with fewer and fewer resources. they cut things like locomotives, and the railroads were really inclined to hold the lines on things like paid sick leave while they were
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catering to the shareholders. that's the story of the american economy. the shareholders are gratified and the rest of us pay the price. >> yes, catering to shareholders indeed. joe biden on thursday gave much of the credit to the secretary marty walsh. which is the first secretary in decades to be a union member himself. he presided over negotiations. but a lot will plunder how much joe biden played in this substantively and setting the mood? >> this was a tough spot for president biden. this is someone who answers the labor, labor is certainly a core democratic part of the constituency, they mobilize, they get the vote out. they make campaign contributions. and biden has said repeatedly on the most pro labor president of all-time. and the other hand, he does not like the thought of going into november's midterm elections having to continue to talk about inflation, and the surprise chain problems are significant driver of inflation. and have we seen a well strike,
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and we have continue destruction on the rails. it could heat is getting worse. so biden was caught in the middle of, that and he was very eager for a deal. and we still have to wait and see whether this deal is gonna win all the votes, all the unions i have to ratify it it's certainly a positive for biden that he weeks of this morning and gets to celebrate through the deal. >> and peter, as someone who covers the ins and outs of policies, do you even have anything to cover on the republican side these days? democrats are hammering out infrastructure spending bills, labor agreements, you can like, them not like, them but they are doing it. and the gop seems to have no policy platform unless its own the libs, raise donations. >> well this is been a strategy now for decades, when you have control of the government, you use it to divvy up the bounty to your constituents, the donors who finance campaigns, and various special interests
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that are usually at the center of big business, and when you don't have power, when you're in the wilderness, then you mostly tried to stop anything from happening and tried to stop any spending from happening, deals from happening. and the resulting damage, you blame the other guy and that's working pretty well for the republican party, and we will see if it continues to work. >> but peter when you have a specific issue like inflation, gas prices, and you have republicans literally running on the, issue when are you gonna do something about inflation? the job of people in the industry is surely to stop every republican and say, what is your plan? what are you doing to tackle inflation that joe biden is not doing? >> yeah. i take your point. these are times where, let's face it, most people are bereft of solutions for inflation because the inflation problem goes far beyond congress, the white house, the united states and nobody's got a lever to poll to get putin out of
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ukraine, that's a source of inflation and in terms of the big picture, rising energy prices, we've seen it disrupt grain supplies. we have a global inflation problem that goes far beyond and there are all sorts of causes for that. a lot of the pandemic disruption, i know we have massive ones to just get rid of the pandemic and go back to normal, but it is a time to pause and realize that our normalcy involves stretching labor very thin. >> yes, very well put. peter goodman from the new york times, we'll have to leave it, there thank you so much for your time. still to come! we normally don't run ads on the show, i make my views very clear. but either way, this ad is powerful, you need to watch it, and it's coming up after the break! break! the most epic sandwich roster ever created. ♪♪ it's subway's biggest refresh yet!
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