quarters and talk to someone who is not only expecting a national abortion ban, but whose job it will be to fight it. later, the velshi banned book club is back in session this morning. today, we remember the late barbara aaron reich and her seminal work, nickel and dime, about the trap of working poverty in america. i'll be joined by two incredible leaders who knew ehrenreich and what it is to work too hard for too little money in this country. joining us later in the show, sarah smersh, and new york times bestselling author, who is descended from generations of kansas wheat farmers on one side, and teen mothers on the other, and stephanie lam, the author of the memo are turned emmy not mandated series, made. velshi starts now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good morning to you. it's a saturday, september 17th. i'm ali velshi. the midterm is less than two months away. the first national elections since a violent mob attacked the capital in and effort to

support the will of the american people and keep a delusional, egocentric megalomaniac in power. for some trump loyalists who continue to believe and spread the big lie, the 2020 elections have never ended. unfortunately for them, the justice department has a very active investigation ongoing. it regards donald trump's coup, and in recent weeks, the justice department has issued about 40 subpoenas to current and former trump associates, ranging from low level aides to high ranking senior members of the trump administration. they are seeking a vast trove of information, including communications among more than 100 people, suggesting that the doj is conducting a massive and intensifying criminal investigation. that investigation isn't just about one thing, either. rather, it's about a complex web of transgressions, including criminal activity involving the multitude of people. it involves the fake elector scheme to deny the joe biden won the election and half a dozen states. it involves the planning of the rallies in washington, d.c. that preceded the attack on the capital on january 6th.

and subpoenas reviewed by the new york times also indicate that the doj has opened a new line of agree about the trump team's postelection conduct and its fundraising efforts for the save america pack. those recently subpoenas include stephen miller, who trafficked in ideological racist ideological tropes inside the white house as the senior policy adviser in the trump administration. also, dan scavino, trump's former social media director. the former new york city police commissioner, bernard kerik, he received a subpoena as well. he's a close friend of rudy giuliani. 12 men are associated with the group that the vice the plan to halt the certification of the electoral college vote on january six. in addition to the subpoenas, federal agents also obtained court authorized search warrants to seize the phones of boris epshteyn, one of trump's attorneys, as well as my robe, in the direction of election day operators of election day

in 2020. both are linked to the fake elector scheme. then, there is the foam pillow guy, mike lindell. if his pillows don't already keep you up at night, his efforts to destroy democracy will. like other trump associates in the weeks since trump's loss and the 2020 election, he crossed the country spreading big lies and baseless election fraud, which set the stage for the queue. even after the insurrection of two nary six, he was photographed coming out of the white house, holding a stack of notes that when you zoom in, talk about martial law. like his pillow, was he in his anti-democratic claims are all plush, no substance. he said the fbi agent surrounded his car in a hard these drive-through, and then he seized his phone. here's why you shouldn't sleep on the story. election deniers will be on the ballots in 27 states this november. dozens of, them competing for top positions like secretary of state, attorney general, and governor in key battleground states like arizona, michigan, and pennsylvania, all of which play decisive roles in the

account of the 2020 election. the outcome of this year's midterms will have far reaching implications for our democracy in the years to come, and the justice department's investigation isn't even the half of it. literally. the january six committee is continuing its own investigation of the insurrection. it plans to resume its public hearings towards the end of september. the committee has interviewed more than 1000 people, collected thousands of documents in its year long investigation, but it's chairperson representative benny thompson said this week, it won't be sharing its work with the justice department quite yet. then, there's other federal criminal investigation of donald trump involving his reckless handling of government records, including highly classified documents. this week, raymond theory, a judge from the eastern district of new york, was four pointed us the special master to review the documents in the case. his appointment, and the subsequent ruling by florida judge a lean can then, have temporarily halted the investigation, but just last night, the justice department

filed an appeal with the 11th circuit, asking it to block judge cannons ruling so federal agents can access the documents and continue their investigation. new reporting from politico suggests that trump and his team are taking this case very seriously. they recently paid the attorney, chris skies, $3 million to join their team. that's a significant sum of money for trump, who's got a long history of stiffing his lawyers. except that money didn't come from trump. it came from the safe america pack, the fundraising arm of trump's post-american a efforts that are now under scrutiny by the justice department. it's a lot to unpack here. i'm joined by the democratic congresswoman stacey lasko of the u.s. virgin islands. she's off the house manager for the second impeachment of donald trump. she's also a member of the house ways and means committee. joining us is the former united states attorney joyce vance. he's an msnbc legal analyst and the co-host of the sisters and law podcasts. good morning to both of. you thank you for being with us, representative plastic, i want to start with. you in all of that, a lot of

stuff we just talked about, the thing that stands out to me is we have a very important election coming up on november 8th, in which democracy itself, whether it's through voting rights or election denial or through abortion rights, is on the ballot. yet, the january six committee says it's not ready to hand over its long homework to get department of justice just yet. can you explain to me why not, and what the significance of that is? >> i think the january six committee is still collecting evidence. we've saw that they went to the courts in california, looking for additional documents, additional emails. so what i think they would like to do is have all their information gathered before they do a preliminary report. as you've heard this week, each one of the members in different, various forms have said that they are not bound to the november election. what they are bound to is that

december 31st date, and i think they are going to stick to that on the committee sunsets, but they have everything package before it goes over, and they won don't the back and forth. they have a finite amount of staff that are working on this. they want to get their heads down, get the work done before they have to go through the turnover. >> choice, let's talk about the overlapping. they are separate investigation. some of them have nothing to do with each other, including the fact that the january six community were to hand over its work to the department of justice, the justice department can't just take that stuff and prosecute on the basis of it, correct? it's gotta do its own homework? >> i think that's absolutely right. so, the january six committee can provide evidence to doj, it's meaningful in terms of producing leads, that doj then would conduct its own investigation, and something we are seeing in the subpoena process is doj obtaining evidence from these same folks who testified in front of the

january six committee, in many cases. in a way that will make this evidence available to doj if it needs to offer it into evidence and some sort of leading legal proceeding in court. >> representative plaskett, twice as often pointed out, another experts have, and you are a lawyer and you've actually worked with the department of justice, as much as people politically want and outcome, this is a sprawling case for the department of justice. it's a sprawling investigation for the january six committee. there are a lot of people, perhaps some of our viewers included, who would like this all settled before the november 8th election because of the political implications of it. that doesn't look likely, in any of these cases. >> in none of these cases, i think we are going to see in november 8th, even an indictment by november 8th. we have a november 2024 election i think is more prescient to people and what they should be concerned about, and i think doj is being

methodical. they cannot make a mistake in these investigations, and as you are seeing and ali, as he pointed, out from all of the dots connecting, it's starting to seem like a rico case to me and many regards. whether that be criminal or civil rico, with regards to donald trump, his criminal enterprise, you know, included in rico's mail and wire fraud, and there may be some charges related to all of this enterprise to defraud the american people bribery, et cetera, we are seeing go down the pipe. >> joyce, help me understand. when we see 40 new subpoenas and phones being taken, i think about mike lindell's phone. i'm thinking, what could you possibly need from mike lindell's phone, because everything he says, he tends to say on television somewhere. it's the stuff the department of justice already knows and wants to cooperate? they know the other half of the conversation for someone else's phone or testimony, and they need from mike lindell? what does this all mean.

when they get all these subpoenas and they take these phones, what do they believe they know and what do they believe they are looking for? >> this is doj in the intense stage of investigation. some people have suggested this is light sage, but i disagree. this is doj pursuing leads. you can just issue subpoenas as a fishing expedition. you've got to have some basis for pursuing testimony or evidence, and doj is following leads it already has. in some cases, as you say, it wants to see the other side of a conversation. see, perhaps, what other leads they might develop from someone's phone or from some of these documents, but i think what they are trying to embrace is the sprawling math of allegations to determine what, if any, among them, abhorrent forms of misconduct we've seen from those around the former president in the context of this election. what's in that mess of stuff could possibly be criminal and deserving of prosecution?

>> and representative plaskett [laughs] we like to remind people you are not only a manager of impeachment but you were the manager of detail, i say. . here the one who paints the picture of how it all went down. and the way that most americans wouldn't have understood. what do you fundamentally know now on the basis of what has happened since the impeachment that maybe you didn't know that? >> i think we know a great deal more granular detail about what was happening in the white house. leading up to and during that january six insurrection. i think that the deal has been given to us specifically by trump white house individuals, which i think is so important for the american people to give context and to really make them understand, giving flesh, as i always say, on the bone of what the impeachment managers gave to the american people back in january 2021. i think we are going to see

next week, in additional hearings, additional information that this january six committee is going to give out to the american people before we head into those midterm elections. >> joyce, i want to briefly, before we, go talk about the appointment of the special master, raymond theory. there are some who have commented on the fact that this is probably a trump-esque delay tactic. you have drug reviews on this. you are talking to -- saying this is actually a very bad idea that judge aileen cannon has allowed disappointment. >> so, judge dearie is a fine man of the great reputation. if there's going to be a special master, he seems to be well qualified. the problem is the appointments of a special master at all. judge cannon said something i thought was pretty ironic in her ruling. she said that she needed to have a neutral third party involved to decide whether documents that the governor has ceased that were clearly marked

as classified were even classified at all. and just even moving past that incredible decision that she's made to not permit the executive branch of government to designate classified information, the idea that she can't be the neutral third party that makes those decisions seems to fly in the face of her appointment to the federal bench for life tenure. she is the essence of a neutral, objective person who makes these kinds of decisions, so what we've seen her do is not just delay, but unnecessary and inappropriate process into a criminal investigation. this is, in essence, the judiciary interfering with the executive branch, which is for the prosecution dilatory power. sets it is inappropriate. it's bad for the country. it's bad for the justice system. one hopes the 11th circuit will put a quick stop to the madness >> and that has an appeal to the 11th circuit, that has been

filed overnight. we'll keep you posted on that. thanks to both of you for being with us this morning. democratic representative stacey of plaskett the united states virgin islands, joyce, vance former united states attorney and msnbc legal analyst. coming, up a team of washington post reporter got a look at a few of the dozens of subpoenas issued last week in the dust just departments of education of the january six insurrection. those documents contain clues about where the sweeping criminal probe is headed. we'll talk to reporters behind the new revelations later in the show. plus, as ukraine continues to make a major, to make gains in a major counteroffensive in the east, we will go to ukraine for on the ground report. also, king charles iii is expected to meet with leaders of the commonwealth countries later this morning, at some of those very nations are considering dropping the british monarchy as their heads of state. there's a long froth history there, and they will dive into it. tonight, nbc's richard engel examines people in the united kingdom are processing the use of queen elizabeth's passing, and now she wielded soft power, becoming one of british those iconic diplomats. watch the constant queen, tonight at 10 pm eastern, on

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this is prince william and kate, riding through jamaica in an open top land rover. it cost quite a stir back in march of this year, 2022. the royals were throwing the caribbean to mark the queen elizabeth's platinum jubilee. 70 years of rule, not just over great britain, but the head of state of many commonwealth nations. william and kate at the time, the duke and duchess of cambridge, participated in a military parade, first in the back of the land rover,

saluting the crowd in the military uniform, and wi-fi aside, just an all white. if you put a black and white filter on this, it might be mistaken for this one. queen elizabeth ii and her late husband, prince philip, riding through to make up in the same dark green land rover in 1953, that when the country was not a member of the british commonwealth, but in fact, was still an actual british colony. the vehicle itself is a relic of a colonial past, in the most reluctant sense, and symbolically, the stark similarities between these two images underscore the lasting legacy of british colonialism. during that march 2022 trip, prime minister, of jamaica, told william and kate that jamaica would be, quote moving on from the monarchy. to make assess it's going to hold a referendum before 2025 to decide if it wants to sever ties with the crown, which, for decades, made fortunes off of the caribbean islands resources and through the slave trade, which passed through kingston. sport since queen elizabeth's

death, several other commonwealth realms, all foreign outpost of the british out prior, are reassessing the relationship of the monarchy the commonwealth of nations is an international organization composed mainly of former british colonies. it rose from the ashes of the british empire. and at its peak in the 19th century, the empire covered a fifth of the world's surface, ruling about a quarter of the world's entire population. 413 million people fell under the british empire, after many decades of living under the ruthless rain, let's be clear, the ruthless reign of the british empire. the colonies grew empowered to throw off the yoke of british imperialism, some quite violently. but the 19 twenties, most of the british colonies demanded self government. some didn't achieve it until late into the 60s and beyond. the commonwealth of nations was created in its stead. the agreed to be equal in status and quote, united by a common allegiance to the crown. today, there are 56 commonwealth nations. some of them are republics, have their own heads of state,

and have recognized the queen at now king charles iii as the head of the commonwealth. all of those 56 nations, 15 are considered commonwealth realms. these 15. in these realms, the british monarch is considered automatically to be the head of state. these realms include antigua, barbuda, australia, the bahamas, canada, grenada, jamaica, new zealand, papa new guinea, belize, the solomon islands, saint kitts and nevis, saint lucia, st. vincent and the grenadines, tupelo, and of course, the united kingdom. barbados is the most recent realm to have become a republic. this island nation, by the way, barbados parted ways with the monarchy last november, removed queen elizabeth as its head of state. it remains within the commonwealth of nations, but no longer holds realm status. other realms are now considering following in the footsteps of barbados, by the way. australia says it will hold a referendum on shirking the monarchy no sooner than 30 35. new zealand's prime minister predicts it will happen in her

lifetime. a coalition in belize is poised to consider whether the central american country should declare itself a republic, antifa and barbuda will vote on removing the british monarch as the head of state by 2025. as i've mentioned earlier, jamaica plans to hold a referendum by 2025. there's something happening here. a reckoning of the past atrocities committed for the enrichment of the royal family and for great britain. despite the fanfare and celebration to which we are all subject at the moment, the pomp and circumstance cannot gloss over the fact that the british empire was brutal. the commonwealth was a consolation prize. it was created as a vehicle to preserve britain's global influence, a modern alternative to british colonialism. it kept the former colonies in the grips of the monarchy, teaching them how to behave, how to self govern, stripping away elements of national identity. if you visit was commonwealth realms, you will see queen elizabeth's face eventually, king charles's face, adore not coins, stamps, and make no. as you might see the british

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little more bleak for anyone in this country who can get pregnant and wants to be able to control when and whether that happens. the new york times has been tracking where abortion is banned since the fall of roe. there is more wrap on red on this map than ever before, with the addition of indiana now, where the first new abortion ban passed since the fall of hero. it went into effect this past week. now, the reason there is already so much red on this map, less than three months after the supreme court overturned roe, is that many of the states had decade old laws on their books that bans abortion before roe made it illegal to do so. those abortion bans became unenforceable after roe came into effect in 1973. no one bothered to repeal them. so, when roe fell, those old abortion bans were back in play. other states with antiabortion forces in control of the levers of power plants for the fall of row, and in an active so-called trigger bands, which would

prohibit abortion automatically, had roe been overturned, which was. and the reason all of these trips were so effective so is effectively set in at nearly 50 years of legal constitutionally protected abortion, supporters of abortion rights never passed a federal law to codify road to establish outside of the courts ruling and influence that abortion must be legal in all 50 states. but anyone who has watched the antiabortion movement closely over recent decades knows that they will not make that same mistake. there's been a lot of feigns surprise this week of a republican senator lindsey graham's decision to propose a federal, 15-week abortion ban, at a time when the republican party seems mostly to want to avoid talking much more about abortion, now that they are dystopian post-roe world is coming to life in half the country. everyone is reading headlines about ten year old rape victims being forced to cross state lines and patients bleeding out from miscarriages while doctors consult lawyers about whether they are legally allowed to intervene. one republican strategist

called the grams abortion ban quote, a bad idea it rips up in the political's. or the political environment was moving back to economic issues. it further nationalize it's an issue that works against republicans generically. and quote. you can see here, the real problem for republicans is not the contest of graham's bill, it's the timing. the practical among them, no, now it's not the best time to show how deeply their antiabortion agenda, that their anti win agenda, runs. rest assured, it runs that deeply. even though they have won, the trump stacked supreme court has given that what they purported to wants, the right to ban abortion, given back to the states. remember that. that's what they claim they wanted. even though the country is watching in horror as the reality of what that means takes shape, they will not stop until the government has control over every uterus in america. the question is, can this federal effort succeed, and how will the abortion rights movement by?

it joining me now to answer this question and more is nancy north, the president of the center for reproductive rights. nancy, good morning to you. thank you for being with us again this morning. >> morning. >> let's talk about this for a second. the anti-abortion movement, for a long time, including when president trump took office, kept campaigning for office, offered the statement that this is a state decision to make. it shouldn't be in the purview of the federal government, which some people, probably not, you were surprised when lindsey graham brought up a bill to make abortion illegal under federal law, not under court law. >> yeah. i was absolutely not surprised. it's been very clear that the endgame after the dobbs decision came down by the anti-abortion movement that the ultimate goal is a national ban on abortion in the united states. so, nobody in the movement for abortion rights was ever fooled by the notion that this was to go back to the states.

the most important thing is a national abortion ban like senator graham's bill is not the americans want or need. right now, we've got this crisis on abortion access, which you were just talking about, caused by the supreme courts dobbs decision. we've got shut down clinics in so many states across the nation now. as you pointed out, pregnant people presenting in hospitals can't get emergency care that they need because doctors are worried about criminal liability. that worry is not unfounded. when you talked about resurrecting old abortion laws, in texas right now, they have enforced a 1925 abortion ban, as well as their trigger ban with 99 years in prison for those who violate it. up to 99 years. so, it's a real crisis, and the fact that senator graham has shown what actually is the aim of the movement to ban abortion, which is a national ban, it's

something that everybody needs to wake up to. that means no matter what state you're living in, you've got to be working on this issue. >> some republicans don't like it because of the political implications. it sort of says the quiet part out loud. you don't have that privilege,? right at the center for reproductive rights, groups like yours need to look at the legal implications of these things if they were to actually pass into law and what would happen. are you taking it seriously? do you believe there is any chance discover kamala? if so, what do you do about? it >> of course, right now, what we do have is a senate that is supporting 49 votes in the last vote for the women's health protection act, which is what would allow access to abortion across the nation. it would address the bands and the burdens on abortion law. the women's health protection act is what this congress is so close, and the senate is so close to supporting. it's passed the house. but i think what's important is yeah, this is paid attention to and everyone needs to be working on strengthening access

and making sure their senators know where they stand. the national abortion ban is -- if you live in states where there is strong protection for abortion rights like new york and california, and others, you've got to be active as well as people who are in states like texas, where there is no access at all. >> when the ground says his proposal aligns america with europe's stance on abortion. i could see you already know what i'm about to ask you, because center for reproductive rights as quote, there is something highly disingenuous with the notion that introducing a new ban on abortion into law in the united states would somehow aligned with the approach in europe. can you explain to viewers? >> absolutely. the center for reproductive rights works around the world, including, we have an office in europe. we have worked throughout the european region. what senator graham is saying about his bill aligning, being in line with europe, it's simply not true. it is the fact that the vast majority of countries in europe,

abortion is available on numerous grounds throughout pregnancy. and what really distinguishes us from europe, if you want to get in line with most of western and northern europe, you would have a national health care system, and in that health care system, it would cover abortion care, so people didn't have to struggle to make ends meet to be able to cover their abortion core care, as many do in the united states. that is actually in line with northern europe, that would be part of the public health system >> good to see you again. thank you for joining us. nancy north, the president and ceo of the center for reproductive rights. coming up, ukraine may be making major territorial gains, but the full extent of the horrors committed by russia is still being realized. yet another mass grave has been uncovered. we will go live to ukraine for an update. plus, some breaking news here at home. a slew of powerful republicans are using people as political pawns to make a point. another bus filled with migrants arrived in d.c. earlier this morning. we'll have a live report next. next. menu.

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this particular group of my grids to d.c.? >> hey there,. we saw one single charter bus pull up just before 7 am. it was filled with 50 migrants. they were men, women, children, even newborns. we are told they are from nicaragua and venezuela, and we were also told over the 40 hour bus trip they've had from texas, where they were sent by governor greg abbott, we were told that really, all they had to eat were mres, they were immediately met when they got off the bus by volunteers, by church, groups by the venezuelan ambassadors of the u.s.. they are being taken care of right now and trying to figure out food, water, shelter, and what the plans are for the future. as you mentioned, this really has become a political battle. democrats are calling this shameful. they are calling this a stunt. they are calling this ridiculous. republicans, however, some of the republicans are trying to figure out other places to send these migrants. they are suggesting bloomington, delaware, a -- beach, where president biden has homes. they are's and guessing

sacramento, california, the capital of california. this really has become a very big political issue. it's not just here in d.c.. we are seeing it in chicago, in new york, and as you mentioned, up in martha's vineyard, where we saw two plain false of migrants landed there the other day. they are now on cape cod getting their needs taken care of. this really is something we have seen turn into a more organized fashion in terms of volunteers on the ground. they are ready for them to arrive. we spoke to the texas governor's office earlier this week, who told me this would be happening every single day until the biden administration secures the border. ali? >> thanks for your reporting. we will stay on top of the story. nbc's -- live for us in washington, d.c.. coming up next, we are going to dig deeper into how republicans are playing politics with these migrants lives. you are watching velshi. ng velshi. for softer clothes that are gentle on your skin, try downy free & gentle downy will soften your clothes without dyes or perfumes. the towel washed with downy is softer, and gentler on your skin. try downy free & gentle.

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migrants to martha's vineyard, a popular upper classification spot in massachusetts. he did so without alerting any local authorities. many of the migrants say they were misled. they say they were lured off to planes with false promise of going to boston. they were told they would be housing and jobs waiting for them. none of that was true. instead, they arrived in the vacation town, with a welcome to massachusetts pamphlet, and were forced to walk about two and a half miles to the center of town to get help. now, according to the cape cod times on wednesday, a receptionist at martha's vineyard community services looked up from her desk to find the group of about 50 migrants standing in the parking lot, unable to speak english. there is some humanity in the story. residents quickly came together to provide translations, food, water, clothing, covid tests. they set up shelter at a local church. the migrants have since been moved across the bay to a cape cod naval base, which has more resources. joining me now is daryl let. she's a free lance immigration reporter who has been covered immigration in some form since the end of the george w. bush

administration. she is also the host of foxes, the weeds podcast. good to see you with us this morning. >> thanks for having me. on >> how do you make sense of this? there are people all over the country saying, what is this ploy, what does it mean, and why is it happening? >> so, i would distinguish what governor abbott has been doing, which actually started back in spurring the buses have been coming from d.c. to since then, which while definitely is for political purposes, he has issued a bunch of bragging press releases as you've mentioned, he escalated from d.c. to new york and chicago to kind of continue getting some juice out of it, but it also does have some purpose as far as a lot of migrants who arrive in early, or are released into texas, do want to make it to the east coast. many of them do you want to make it to new york. to be honest, we are hearing anecdotally that people are deliberately getting, crossing the border in places where they

know they will get, have access to the buses to come to d.c., because the alternative would be to pay their own way on bus fare, and they don't have the money. but desantis did, as you mentioned, involves several reports of layers of deception, involve people who had been released in san antonio and for staying in shelters there, then picked up and stopped in florida before getting shipped to massachusetts. that is pure trolling, and it didn't drop people off or they wanted to. go taking it to a level of, making it even harder for people to get what they need instead of taking a community that, as you can see from the bee role and as you saw in the last segment, needs immediate care. and putting them or there's someone where there wasn't. care >> that's different from something them to new york, chicago, boston, d.c., san francisco. you're sending them to martha's

vineyard, that's a different level, because of the resources available to these people or the things, the ways in which these republicans called, sanctuary cities, cities more open to these migrants would be able to absorb them, or at least, offer them services. >> i would say there is a lot of difficulty. d.c. has been struggling with this for months. major bowser of d.c. puts in to request to the national guard for support, both of which were rejected. it is difficult to absorb a population of people who can't work until six months after they file an asylum application. they don't have jobs. they don't have housing. they don't a family in the u.s.. it is hard to find places for those people in the middle of and urban housing crisis in many cities. it definitely is already difficult. we've also seen difficulties in new york. but there is obviously a difference in kind between dropping people off and

formerly, they were being dropped off at union station in d.c., which meant it was pretty easy to get to a bus station, to get to their alternate destination, and being dropped off on a literal island that is served by very. >> the department of homeland security has been involved in filling out addresses for these people in order to allow them to move, and those are made of addresses or addresses of homeless shelters, leading some people to wonder whether dhs, the federal government agency, is involved and complicit in. this you seem to have a better explanation to that. >> this is actually belize surprising part of the least novel part of any of this. it is a long standing truth that customs and border protection officials have a fairly, can have a blasé attitude towards filling out paperwork. it's not something they consider an important part of their jobs. so, the idea that an address that's written down, and the

other thing to bear in mind is migrants have to provide an address in order to be released from federal custody. so, they can demonstrate they will have some place to live. on one hand, this is the alternative would be keeping them in federal detention. it's also true that the kind of carelessness filling out addresses that aren't even homeless shelters that are office buildings, we are community organizations are based, which we've seen in new york for a while, is absolutely tracked with everything that we know, the way ccp approaches paperwork for years. it does make it all the more harder for people to stay in the system. if they are trying to file an asylum claim, if they want to show up to their check in with i.c.e. so they don't get the ported, it's important that they have an appointment in the city where they are actually going to be, and they know they are our government issued cell phone expects them to be not several states away from where the paperwork says. >> dara, thanks for your

explanations. thanks good to see you again. dara lind is an immigration reporter and host of boxes the weed pop. as ukraine make significant gains in the east, reclaiming large about the territory from russia in amount of days, ukraine and the rest of the world are learning of the inhumane horrors rocked by russia. we are live on the ground in ukraine, after this. er this. oh, i can tell business is going through the “woof”. but seriously we need a reliable way to help keep everyone connected from wherever we go. well at at&t we'll help you find the right wireless plan for you. so, you can stay connected to all your drivers and stores on america's most reliable 5g network. that sounds just paw-fect. terrier-iffic i labra-dore you round of a-paws at&t 5g is fast, reliable and secure for your business. the new subway series menu. the greatest sandwich roster ever assembled. for more on the new boss, here's patrick mahomes. nd pepperon- the greatest sandwich roster ever assembled. oh, the meatball's out! i thought he never fumbles.

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in bucha, ukrainian officials have uncovered another mass grave filled with hundreds of bodies in recently liberated city of izyum a warning, some of these images may be disturbing. yesterday, ukrainian officials began to exhumed the bodies of hundreds of people killed by russian fighters. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy says officials have discovered more than 400 graves at a mass burial site filled with bodies of soldiers and civilians alike, who reportedly buried back in march. and d.c. news reports that there was at least one mass grave that had a marker saying it contained more than 17 ukrainian soldiers, all bearing in the same plots. this horrific news comes as ukraine's counter attacks continue to gain ground. so lewinsky says his troops have taken back more than 2300 miles of land that were previously controlled by russia, and according to ukrainian officials and confirmed by u.s. intelligence, its u.s. weapons and intelligence played a major role in ukraine's ability to take back that territory. nbc news megan fitzgerald joins

us live from -- ukraine. what is the latest from izyum? >> we are getting new numbers coming in, ali, according to the lead war crimes prosecutor in the kharkiv region, the number of bodies that they have exhumed is at 500. and it continues to rise. among those bodies are children that were buried, entire families buried together. as you mentioned, the mass grave of ukrainian soldiers. the majority of these people investigated say they or signs that they tortured or died a violent death. this is a process that will take a week at least. we know these bodies have to be transferred for forensic examination to determine exactly how they died. but this is the concern here that we will continue to see more of this from the president of ukraine to local officials, to regional officials, it's not a war, it's a genocide. as you mentioned, we saw this at the beginning of the invasion.

as the ukrainians to sweep past the russian frontline, taking back more and more land, an update on that, in the northern part of the country here, they almost liberated the entire kharkiv region. in the south, they are caving in that closing in on kherson, which is the first territory the russians took at the beginning of this invasion. we will just see more and more of this. now, we know there are some 30,000 war crime investigations underway. 20,000 of those are civilians. >> megan fitzgerald, thank you. we appreciate. it she is in -- ukraine. straight ahead, dozens of subpoenas have got up to former and current trump associates. we will show you who's who of the trump investigations, and a call to order. this week of a velshi banned book club. on the agenda, barbara ehrenreich seminal novel, now getting by in america. another hour of velshi begins right now.

good morning. it's saturday, september 17th. it's 9 am in the east, 6 am in the west. i'm ali velshi, and for the better part of nearly two years, a lot faction of the republican party has continued to spread debunked lies about election fraud and false narratives about the january six insurrection. the justice department been quietly coordinating to be a massive and a testifying investigation of the coup, details of which have begun trickling out in recent months. this, month the justice department of former and current trump associates raining from low-level to high-ranking members of the trump administration. they are seeking a vast trove of information, including communications among more than 100 people suggesting that the doj is probing a complex web of criminal activity involving a multitude of people, from trump's orbit involves the fake elector scheme that deny joe biden's victory in half a dozen states. it involves the organization of

the january 6th rally that preceded the attack on the capitol. subpoenas reviewed by the new york times also indicate that the doj is opening a new line of inquiry into save america pact which is a fundraising arm of trump's post presidential fund raising efforts. this includes stephen miller and speech writer in the trump administration who toured incoherent, racist ideology into fearmongering speeches. dan scavino is also on this. he is trump's former social media director. the former new york city police commissioner bernie received a subpoena, he is a close friend of rudy giuliani. both men are associated with the group that plotted to disrupt the certification of the electoral college votes on january 6th. federal agents also obtained search warrants that allow them to seize the phones of boris epshteyn, one of trump's attorneys and mike roman, the director of election day operations for the trump campaign. both of two who are li