preceded the attack on the capitol. subpoenas reviewed by the new york times also indicate that the doj is opening a new line of inquiry into save america pact which is a fundraising arm of trump's post presidential fund raising efforts. this includes stephen miller and speech writer in the trump administration who toured incoherent, racist ideology into fearmongering speeches. dan scavino is also on this. he is trump's former social media director. the former new york city police commissioner bernie received a subpoena, he is a close friend of rudy giuliani. both men are associated with the group that plotted to disrupt the certification of the electoral college votes on january 6th. federal agents also obtained search warrants that allow them to seize the phones of boris epshteyn, one of trump's attorneys and mike roman, the director of election day operations for the trump campaign. both of two who are linked to

the fake elector scheme. then there is the foam pillow guy, mike. for lindell, pillow talk involves subverting democracy and subverting the will of the american people. like other trump associates in the weeks following don't trump's boston 2020 election, he crisscrossed the country spreading the big lie and other this information. just days after the violent insurrection at the capitol, he was spotted coming out of the white house holding a stack of notes about martial law. like his fellows, his anti-democratic claims are all fluff, no substance. this week, he revealed while in line at a harvey's drive-through fbi agents served him a warrant and seized his phone as a part of its investigation. here is why you should sleep on the story, the last primaries took place on tuesday, which means november's general elections are now set. this november, election deniers will be on the ballot in 27 states with dozens running for top positions like secretary of state, attorney general, and governor in keep out of our

states like arizona, michigan, and pennsylvania. they play decisive roles in 2020. the outcome of this year's midterms will have far reaching implications for our democracy in the years to come. the justice department's investigation is not the half of it. the january six committee is continuing its own investigation of the insurrection and will resume its public hearings later this month. the committee has interviewed more than 1000 people, collected thousands of documents insulin investigation, but as chair person representative benny thompson said this week that it won't be sharing its work with the justice department quite yet. and then there is the other federal criminal investigation involving donald trump's reckless handling of government records, including highly classified documents. on thursday, raymond, a judge from the eastern district of new york was appointed as the special master to review the documents in the case. his appointment and the subsequent ruling by floaters judge aileen cannon have temporarily halted the doj's investigation. just last night, and appeal was filed with the 11th circuit

asking it to block his ruling so federal agents can access the documents and continue their investigation. meanwhile, a recent political report suggest that trump and his team have serious concerns about their own legal exposure in this particular case. they paid the attorney chris $3 million to join their team. that is a lot of money for trump who has a long history of stiffing people who work for him, including lawyers. now $3 million is actually money that trump supporters donated to the save america packed, the fundraising arm of trump's post presidential efforts that is now under scrutiny by the justice department. for more on all of the investigations involving trump. here with me now is jackie, she is a congressional investigator for the washington post and an msnbc contributor. jacqui, a lot of stuff that on the face of it didn't look related, it wasn't clear what the subpoenas and these phones, and the january six committee saying they are not ready to handle over stuff. what information is being

gleaned and what authorities already know that they're waiting to have confirmed by these phones and the subpoenas? >> yeah, this is a vast and sprawling, far-reaching investigation that the department of justice is conducting in parallel to the january 6th select committee. subpoenas that we reviewed this week showed that the subpoena covered 18 separate categories of information, including recipients, including any communications with recipients. we have had them in six different states where supporters of former president trump sought to promote the fake scheme, alternate scheme slates of electors to replace the electors in states that biden had rightfully and barely won. going through the subpoenas, there were dozens of names. again, these people who are

ultimately on the fake slates of electors along with, as you noted earlier, a new area of interest, we save america packed. this is the path that put together the actual rally on the ellipse that day and control a lot of the fundraising and money that was being raised on these false claims of election fraud. on the premise that this money would be going to fund election fraud. we also know that there are investigating the actual rally that preceded the january 6th riot that happened that day. there are a lot of disparate areas, the justice department is looking at them right now. we are told that this is part of a prosecutorial strategy to kind of show that there was a consciousness of guilt in these communications. again, this investigation is still very much in the

investigation state, at least for the justice department and they are collecting as much evidence as possible right now. >> i'm assuming that may play into the idea that the january six committee said this week that they are not handing stuff over to the justice department just yet. obviously, the junior six committee has a lot of information. it can't just go to the justice department and the justice department uses that for prosecution. the justice department would have to do its own work. i guess they both understand that this is not close to the idea. >> yeah, and we have to note that the justice department is pretty busy with a handful of other investigations, including now the grand jury investigation to whether or not trump has handled classified documents. we've been told that that investigation is further ahead for the justice department then the january six investigation, even though the justice -- this investigation has been

going on now for almost 18 months. we also know that the genie six committee did, earlier this summer, provide the doj some transcripts for them to reference. regardless, the justice department would want to do their own depositions, questioning, subpoenas, and their own evidence. when all is said and done, get the january 6th materials to backstop them. as we've been told countless times now, the january six committee, the congressional committees in report is expected before midterms, the final report. now it is not expected until late december, potentially ahead of when the republican conference might take back the majority. there will be a changing of the guards and after that all of

the materials will eventual be available to the public. >> jacqui, good to see this morning, thank you for joining us. jacqui is a reporter for the washington post. joining me now is dan goldman, he served as majority counsel during the house impeachment inquiry which led to the first impeachment of donald trump. he also served as the director of investigations for the house intelligence committee. he is a -- dan, good to see you, thank you for joining us. let's look into this a little bit more. we have an election on november 8th which you are intimately acquainted with. why did the january six committee make it clear that they are not handing over information to the justice department right now at the moment that seems pivotal for the justice department? >> i think part of the reason why we are seeing this flurry of subpoenas from the justice department which they probably went out in august and we're just getting the reporting of them now. it is because of the long-standing policy not to do

anything overt with potentially political investigations to influence the election. the justice department sent a flurry of subpoenas out, they will collect the information over the next couple of months. my suspicion is that the journey six committee does not want to give the justice department any documents outright. but they very well may allow them to come and review documents, it is still in the position of the general six committee. what the department of justice wants is an understanding of what these witnesses have said under oath to the january six committee. they have to of course do their own interviews anyway. but it is very helpful in guiding those interviews to understand what witnesses have said before. i would expect the select committee to maintain possession of all of their documents until they are ready to make them public themselves. but probably be guiding the department of justice with, or

at least allowing them to review documents. that is what we did when we were on the house intelligence committee with some relevant witnesses depositions that we did with the department of justice. >> donald trump giving up some big money, not his money ready, donors money for legal help. it sounds like he is taking this seriously, is that just because you have to take it seriously when the fbi shows up with a warms and takes thousands of documents from your house? or is there some thing where trump is people think that there is actual real legal liability for them? >> well, there definitely is real legal liability. if it is going to require a 3 million dollar retainer to get qualified lawyers, which probably it will at this point for donald trump. i think it is clear that he recognizes that the walls are in circling him. they are closing in on a number of different paths. he may have been able to delay

the classified document investigation a little bit with this judge down in palm beach. the special master out of the brooklyn federal court is not going to need a lot of time to review, really, the hundred classified documents that are there for attorney-client privilege or executive privilege. he should be able to wrap that up in a couple of weeks. the department of justice has asked for and the judge has ordered if he should go back to the judge if he is done with that. there really is no attorney-client privilege that could be relevant to those classified documents. those are in the possession of the united states, not of donald trump. i can't imagine what that would the. in terms of executive privilege, it is kind of the same thing. it is not private conversations between trump and senior executives. the documents themselves would

not appear to fall under either of those privileges, under any theory that i can think of. i would expect that this is a special master would dismiss this issue very quickly. >> what is your sense of what happens, how this all unfolds? the gender six committee, it has until the end of the year, they might take all the time. there is no likelihood that anything happens before the elections in november. the special master, and some people say, as you say, not a whole lot is going to come out of this. i talk to joyce lasts our, we thought there is no need for this. the judge could've handled this stuff herself. what is your sense of timing on how all of this comes to the american public so they can opine on it ultimately? >> there is no basis for the special master. this is a delay tactic and that is why i do think that the judge will move quickly through it. the reason that jackie is right, the documents investigation is further along than the broader

january 6th scheme. that is largely because the classified documents investigation is a pretty narrowly tailored investigation to whether donald trump possessed, concealed's, or did anything else with classified materials with an intent to hurt the united states. it is not a massive sprawling investigation like the conspiracy to overturn the election. we don't know the timing of this, certainly nothing will happen before the election. we are in that period when the department of justice would not do anything. i think a decision will likely be made around the new year on the classified documents materials. i would expect a decision on the conspiracy to overturn the election investigation involving all of these different threads and different lines of inquiry. probably it will be by sometime next spring, i think people need to understand how

sprawling, wide, and massive this investigation is. and how much work needs to be going into it because you not only need to know what your evidence is, but you also need to understand what the defenses evidence may be. that requires a tremendous amount of investigation prior to indictment. >> dan, good to see you, thanks for joining us. dan goldman is a former majority counsel for the house impeachment that led to the first impeachment of donald trump. he's also the former director of investigations for the house intelligence committee. still ahead this hour, a special edition of the book club the chilling nicola. the book shed light on the impossible burden of working poverty in this country. we're gonna pick up that torch today with some amazing authors who know firsthand what it is like to live and work so hard for so little. also, hungary is no longer a full democracy but i quote, hybrid regime of electoral autocracy with victor at the helm. my own experience in that country later. plus, mortgage rates and market

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let's talk about this, there's a bunch of things going on. we have a lot of graphics for you. first one of the house, that is a mortgage rate. a 30 year fixed mortgage rate. a year ago, under three to get a 30 year fixed mortgage if you have good credit. >> that is a doubling. we talk about demand and what the federal reserve is doing. the first thing you see it is the housing market. a 30 year fixed over 6%, what is that doing? that is driving a lot of first time home buyers out of the housing market altogether back into the rental market. you see what's happening with rental prices, up 13%. i was doing some research on that. the average price for a single family rental, 24 95. $2,495 a month for single family, that is getting more and more expensive because of those rights. interest rates rise, mortgage rates react with them. >> for people watching this in san francisco or new york, it is 2400 bucks. this is the big one, people i'm thinking about gas prices for a long time. the war in ukraine, kurt

elements on russian oil are causing prices to spike. they've been going down for many, many weeks in a row. >> 80 straight days of declines for gas prices. that is demand destruction to. we drove less when gas prices hit $5 again on average. out in california by the way, still above $5 a gallon. down in the gulf states, down in texas, almost $3. when we talk about inflation, the first thing people think about is gas prices because we have to fill up once or twice a week. this has been a relief for u.s. consumers and maybe one of the reasons that retail sales remain strong even though inflation is almost everywhere else in the economy. >> people drive but the same amount every week, if you pay more for that gas you are not buying it somewhere else. now you are getting a little bit of a back. $3.69 for a gallon of unleaded gas in self-serve, that is an average. this is not down, this is electricity, power generation. you still pay for that and we are not even in the cold months of yet. what is going on here? >> that is the flip side of the lower gas prices, you have higher electricity prices,

driven by? what natural gas prices which are extremely high right now because of russia's invasion of ukraine, plus a very hot summer. we are running the air conditioners full blast this summer. that drives up electricity prices, they're going to continue to go up, especially if it is colder. it is costing the average family about 1300 dollars a year to heat their homes. we have about 18 billion dollars in electricity per family. this really hurts families when they pay that monthly bill. >> it doesn't feel like aspect as you don't see the sign every time you fill up your tank. but you do pay this every month. this one is a little bit of a trick. for people who don't know what this is, this is a bond. bonds come in various lengths of maturity. this is a two-year bond. we don't talk about this much at all, was a two-year bond important and what is happening? >> the two year treasury, that is the yield of a two-year treasury, that is the risk, that is the price you get, the payment you got for holding up on. that is a 2000 number high. we haven't seen numbers like that since the great financial crisis. this tells you that investors, especially big institutional

investors have very little confidence in the u.s. economy. many people predicting a recession, the effects people say we are heading to global recession, everyone is talking about a recession. this is the side, this is a good canary in the coal mine when investors don't have confidence in the outlook, they start selling these and wheels go up. keep an eye on the two year, keep an eye on the tenure, it doesn't get a lot of attention but it really runs thing around. here >> so far, we've talked about things that have happened. now we talk about what is happening next two years. now we have this other barometer, this is the stock market. this is the one that is getting my viewers whiplash. it is very hard, you have a few good days and then all of a sudden boom, the stock market for not always an apparent reason is behaving wildly. >> we have a lot of volatility, but we have a lot of uncertainty. why uncertainty? because interest rates are on the rise, we still have very high inflation. certainly, it is like kryptonite for investors. this is 19.2% down from its all-time high. this is the broader market here. 20% down, as you know it is a

fair market. we had that in june, we bounce out of that, but now that inflation is still persistently high. the federal reserve is going to raise interest rates probably three quarters of a percent. investors don't like that at all. the stocks keep selling off. the average market is about 34% down, so we're not there yet. it lasts about 300 days, we are not in a bear market yet. but we could enter one and it could last for a while. you have to brace yourself for this because the stock market is a predictor of future profitability. investors don't have a lot of confidence right now. >> fans are trying to stave off inflation by raising interest rates, everyone is worried that in doing so they may trigger a recession. a great deal of uncertainty. thank you for making clear to us, we always appreciate it. caleb is the editor at investment media. we are back after the break. a democracy gone. they have a new name as a rule of law continues to backslide in his country. this is velshi. velshi velshi what do we want delivered every month. hmm. clumping litter? resounding yes.

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spring, i spent six weeks in eastern europe, making life-changing visits to hungary, poland, and western ukraine. i started the trip at a train station in budapest, the night i got there. that is the capitol hungary. meeting refugees fleeing the horrors that russia was unleashing on their homeland. as a journalist, i covered the story by reporting the facts. at the time, hungry, like many countries surrounding the ukraine, was taking in tens of thousands of people. hungarians were, for the most part, welcoming to most of the ukrainians who are trying to

enter. however, unlike in neighboring poland, much of the on the ground work was being done by ordinary people and non governmental groups, including religious groups. i doubt it at the time that the government could and should be doing more. i also noted that hungary under prime minister victors ruhle had taken extremely far right turn. as a history of disregarding democratic norms. that criticism, i have learned, ruffled some feathers, manifesting in a letter that was written to my bosses at nbc, complaining that my legitimate criticism of the hungarian government, which is my job, was regarded by him and his cronies as interfering in his efforts to be reelected. i should say, i never heard about this from my bosses, my bosses ever talk to me about it and then tell me about it, i learned about it through the hungarians themselves. i'm far from the only one who's taken notice of hungary's anti democratic turn. now, the european parliament has passed an actual resolution for claiming that hungary is no longer a democracy, but quote, a hybrid regime of electoral

autocracy and quote. the lengthy resolution heavily criticizes quote, the deliberate and systematic efforts of the ongoing government to undermine the founding values of the european union. it also criticizes hungry for a house of human rights and democratic restrictions, including the independence of the judiciary academic freedom, truman minorities, lgbtq rights, buddhist freedoms, and press freedoms. joining me now all the way from sydney, australia where it is only 30 minutes from tomorrow's doctor ruth. she is a professor of history at the new york university. it follows threats to democracy and author of the book strongmen, from mussolini to the present. doctor, good to see. thanks for being here. we have been talking about this for months. you have argued that the european union actually, generally speaking, needs to do more. hungary is a member of the eu and it is a member of nato and it is in this weird situation where it is up to things that neither of these organizations espouse or should be encouraging. >> they've been trying to

figure out what to do for sometime and this resolution, which is not binding, it is symbolic but it is important as recognizing the state of affairs that has been going on for sometime now that hungary is an electoral autocracy meaning that they hold elections but they rigged the electoral system, they perched on loyalists, they domesticate media, they capture the judiciary so if there is challenges, you can't, the judges will rule in orban favor. this is been going on for sometime. in 2020, the eu imposed a conditionality clause, meaning that if hungary didn't respect the rule of law then its funds would be contingent on that. this develops it further and some eu officials are talking about slashing the money that

orban gets, which is six billion euro by 70%. that would make an impact because orban, like all autocrats, is very arrogant. he is already spotted saying this is just a joke. they have complained about me three or four times it, means nothing. >> one of the things you often point out to me and our viewers in newsletters is that elections do not mean democracy. iran has eruptions, russia has elections, lots of countries have elections and there is a way is -- there is a way for institutions and the eu looks at places. we can think if there is a vote, then you have democracy. >> in fact, elections are not the measure of the difference between autocracy and democracy anymore. it is more accountability and transparency. again, this all works together because you have to, it is

called autocratic capture, you have to purge all the loyalists from the electoral system. you also have to control the media because that influences electoral outcomes a lot. orban was just reelected in the spring and the contender, peter, he was not invited on national tv since 2019. the opposition coalition had difficulty having its platforms have the same reach as orban forces. all these things work together to make a very unfair system. >> what is the thing that we have to think about when thinking about hungary as it relates to the current war in ukraine? hungry was a reluctant nato partner in the end and coming down hard on russia. until the invasion of ukraine, viktor orban was quite publicly a supporter of vladimir putin's. >> oh yes, very close and funded by him.

he tried to walk this line from the beginning of saying that it wasn't his war and he was going to do what was best for hungary. in fact, he was reelected on this kind of nationalist platform. everyone knows that he is very tied to putin and he has been very reluctant to have sanctions and forego russian oil. he agreed that they would pay rubles, for example. he has agreed to some of putin's conditions. now, everything is changing because putin is in trouble and we'll have to see what orban does. he's a very transactional individual so he is going to do what is best for him to stay in power. >> thank you for joining us tomorrow, almost from australia. doctor ruth, she's a professor of history at nyu. still to come, a special edition of the book club featuring the book nickel and dime by the late barbara aaron right. i'll be joined by two authors you know what it is mean to work very hard to earn very little, stick around. work very hard to earn ver little, stick around little, stick around meta portal with smart sound.

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wishing to pay their requests, pay their respects i'm sorry. pay their respects to the queen as we head up to the funeral, which expected to be held early next week. all right, we have a lot going on here as well. my friend tiffany cross is back, it is good to see you tiffany. you have a lot going on on your show as you always do. >> i do indeed. but first, i just want to pay my respects to you my friend. >> i'm taking requests. >> but honestly, i wasn't on last week because the network was carrying the queen's coverage of the death. i watched you in realtime and i was swollen with pride because you did such an amazing job on offering accurate, truthful coverage on the queen who has a complicated history, an ugly history, some would argue. you did such a wonderful job reading. i stopped i knew in all of my

tweets, i can't keep fan growing over my colleague every time he is on air. i keep taking you, look at him. thank you. -- >> you and i have always enjoyed our time together, our conversations together. i learn so much for you. look, complicated history soaker and moments like these are where we have to talk about them. i remember going out and covering hurricanes and discussing climate change, people say this is not the time to talk about it. you talk about shootings and you talk about gun control, people say it is not the time to talk about it. you know what, we are in the business of talking, it's always the time to talk about. it >> we have to disrupt the spaces because when people don't see their lived experience reflected in our coverage. >> we are not doing our job. >> kudos to you, my friend. thank you so much for holding down the fort. you are right, we do have a lot on tap today for the cross connection. we are going to talk about the flip-flopping senator lindsey graham whose proposal this week on a national abortion ban stunned a lot of people, not just democrats. we are going to dive into what could be a preview of the gop's and game on abortion rights.

no matter what they say, this appears to be what they want. also, we're going to revisit the water crisis in jackson, mississippi. you know when these things fall out of the headlines, there are still communities of people who are still suffering under what is happening there. although the water advisories in lifted, it is not just in jackson. in jackson, republican governor has really shocking and insensitive comments about the situation. honestly, i don't know how shocking they are coming from this guy at this point. but, i know you're not really in a football but it's more support like myself, we are going to talk about the nfl's many problems because you know this better than anybody, we are all competing for eyes. everything is competing for your attention. streaming services, different programs, given network programming. well, the nfl reigns supreme because over 17 million tuned in for the first sunday night game. we need to talk about the complicated relationship the fans have with the nfl because if so many people are watching, do they really have an incentive to straighten out a lot of the problems going on

over there? we do it for the culture every week on the cross connection. we blend a lot of conversation and i am just grateful to have somebody supersmart like you lead in for me. >> it's what the producers do when they know they want us to wrap up, they say talk about a sports story, you will have to say goodbye. you have a good show my friend. tiffany cross, stay tuned right after velshi for the cross connection. still ahead, the meeting of the book club is still underway. we're looking at the seminal book nickel and dime on not getting by in america by barbara aaron reich. it takes a hard look at u.s. capitalism and the fallacy of working your way out of poverty. fallacy o working your way out o poverty.

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united states and because it was one of the very first to do so. it also is readable, even humorous at times she temporally stepped outside of her middle class life as a journalist and entered a minimum wage labor market, she took various jobs across the country. she wouldn't tables in key west, she cleaned homes in maine, she worked in a walmart in minneapolis, then she took on additional jobs to make ends meet, which is so many americans do. there are thousands of islam omens in nickel and dime that i can highlight. one of the moments when one of her coworkers is refusing her employee discount on a polo shirt that subsequently cannot afford to buy it. when she breaks down her monthly budget in key west and realizes you will only have $22 left over each month. when a fellow house cleaner works for a debilitating ankle injury because her boss encouraged her to do so. nickel and dime illuminates aspects of our nation that many people would prefer stay

shrouded in darkness, including systems of oppression and people. 37.2 million of them living below the poverty line in america today. one of the richest countries in the world. also it directly addresses the american can do spirit, the pick you up for you booed chefs mentality. it proves quite pointedly that it is a fallacy. it is impossible and inconceivable for most people living in poverty. there is only crucial takeaways from nickel and dime that perhaps the most important is this, hard work is not a ticket out of poverty in this country. poverty is structural. it is bigger than any one person and their will to escape it. it is not impossible, but it is very hard. nickel and dime has faced numerous calls for censorship since its publication in 2001. once, a group of parents in eastern pennsylvania characterize the book as quote, no moral value, obscene, and claim that it supported economic fallacies. the rest of the objections largely stems from her view of capitalism and an apparent

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banned book club. i'm joined now by stephanie, author of the best selling more made. the book, which was also the inspiration for the emmy nominated netflix series made, tell stephanie story of a young single mother makes a living by cleaning houses. the author barbara ehrenreich contributed forward for made. i'm also joined by sarah, author of heartland, a national book award finalist. portland is part of their's memoir, poor social analysis, and port cultural commentary. i want to welcome you both, thanks for being on the show. stephanie, welcome back, good to see you. i'm fascinated, obviously i'm fascinated by bob's work and both of your works because they tell the story that so many millions of americans live, and yet isn't well covered. on the other hand, i'm surprised that it is a challenge ribbon book. people, stephanie, don't want to hear this stuff about poverty and how difficult it is. it runs counter to a narrative that we have in america that everybody can fix their

situation and get out of poverty easily. >> it does. thank you for having me on. it is good to see you in person. i was honestly surprised that it was a band book too. i didn't realize that, i wondered if mine was. i think that people don't like to hear about how people use our government systems and our safety net programs to make ends meet. in a lot of people's minds, those are supposed to be temporary and not something that literally supplements the wages that people are earning because our minimum wage is so low for the last 20 years. >> let me ask you something, sarah. i want to start with a quote from nickel and dime that has been widely circulated with barbara's passing a few weeks ago. they're working for, as they are approvingly termed, are in fact the major philanthropists of our society. they neglect their own children so that the children of others will be cared for. they live in substandard

housing so that other homes will be shiny and perfect. they interpretation so that inflation will be low and stock prices will be high. to be a member of the working poor is to be an anonymous donor, a nameless benefactor, to everyone else. evaluate this for me. >> sounds right to me. having lived and witnessed it. of course, what barbara is doing there is flipping on its head the american myth that such people are watching off of the system, someone who is in need of some sort of assistance, a lot of people who take benefits in this country by the way are working and just can't get by on the wages that they are afforded, which is what this book documents. the myth that is perpetuated in this country, which exults capitalism, is that such people aren't working hard enough. they are lazy, if you can't make ends meet, there's something wrong with you.

how dare you take my tax dollars to pay for your children's meal when in fact it is quite the opposite. this group of people is being disproportionately exploited for their labor. i would argue even to some extent they are expletives the taxes if you look at the percentage that they contributed compared to their incomes. >> stephanie, part of why barbara's books were challenged, for this book was challenged was because there's always a veiled, or not so veiled attack on the capitalistic system. she does talk about, they live in substandard housing so other homes will be shining perfect. that's a little bit of your story. do you agree with her evaluation here? >> i do. it is hard to see it that way when you're living it. i didn't feel like a philanthropist when i was living in a multi-apartment and making sure that everybody's lives looked perfect on the outside for a living. it is very demeaning it that

type of work. when you are in it, all you feel is that you are like a leach that is sucking the life out of society in some way because i felt that every single moment that i wasn't physically working. >> sarah, both of you actually read this book and then read it later in life. does it land differently for you now, sara, after living the life that you've lived? >> sure, to answer your question, i'll give you a little context for my first encounter with the book. i was raced among the working poor, i grew up on we farm in kansas. i ended up as a first year college student, and then in the very rare to find some space of -- one of my professors assign the book. i was sitting among students who did have firsthand experience of the world that barbara was talking about. i did, reading it alongside my peers, that was quite surreal. i felt very validated.

i felt seen. i would say that years on, decades on, the book does land differently. it is a different time. i would say that our level of sophistication as a society and culture are -- they intersect with class, it has involved. i think to that some readers have taken issue with barbara's temperament, it can be quite sharp and that is one of the things that made her a brilliant intellect. it is not a softly written book, which is fine by me. there are points out which perhaps the judgments that she levies strike me as potentially problematic now for a rider who came from a working class background and then was riding as a middle class woman if that makes sense. she had ownership of the space, but yet all the same she was sort of going into someone else's world by that point in her career. that sometimes feels a little problematic to me. >> interestingly, that was not the case for you stephanie.

you were not in someone's world. you wrote about your experiences that were that horrible. when barbara is talking about taking these jobs in key west or at a walmart in minneapolis or clean houses in maine, you were living that life. in fact, the book and a tv series sort of go through the terror that you felt when you purchased something and the card and go through, or you realize you were out of money in your bank account. >> in your introduction when you reminded me that the adamant that she had that month was $22, for me that was sometimes kind of a lot. i often had $10. if i had to buy new were clothes, it was whatever i put towards my credit card that month on a minimum payment. it immediately went back into work. or things that help me clean my own house. you know, i think the book is

eye-opening for a lot of people, especially the time that it came out in 1996. i read it sometime around there. i read it when it first came out because all of my barista friends were like, oh my goodness, this person wrote about waitressing. it was amazing and then later on when i read the book as i was revising and editing made i learned that the whole entire book is basically about finding secure housing. for me, that was so normal in my life that i didn't even think about this. >> to a point that stephanie made a few moments ago, sarah, i want to ask you throughout nickel and dime there are references about barbara and her coworkers being faced with bodily and psychological harm. i want to talk about the psychological harm. from page 15 in the book, she writes, if you are treated as an untrustworthy person, a

potential slacker, drug addict, or thief, you may begin to feel less trustworthy yourself. if you are constantly reminded of your lowly position in the social hierarchy, whether by individual managers or by plethora of personal rules, you begin to accept that unfortunate status. tell me about that. >> you nailed it. something that i tried to convey my book heartland is that class, which is a woefully under discussed aspect of the american experience because we pretend it doesn't exist here in this meritocracy. one of the things we don't articulate about it when we are attempting now to finally address it is that it is not just about money and dollar signs and the amount in your bank account, the resources that you can or cannot access. it is the where on one's mind, body, and soul that accumulates over a lifetime of looking at the paycheck with a low number on it in a society that correlates somehow one's worth and value with the number on a

paycheck. if you are constantly being told that you deserve a little, then it can very much seep into your mind and heart that you yourself have little value. there are a myriad of ways in which society reinforces that sort of shame. that is a big piece of what ehrenreich was addressing, the shame of poverty. >> that shame has a psychological and tangible effect on it being able to pull yourself out of poverty. that's part of it. this conversation is not over, it is just my show is over so if i could ask you both to hang out there. stephanie, the author of the more made. sarah, the author of the national book award finalist heartland. conversation is not stopping, there's much more to discuss after the show. stephanie sara and i will be joined by andre perry, a senior fellow for an extended edition of this banned book club meeting.

later this week, you'll be able to stream it all exclusively on peacock. that is for me, thanks for watching, collector tomorrow morning at 10 am eastern on velshi. don't forget, though she is available as a podcast. if you get a little late and you can hear the beginning of it, you can listen to the entire show on the go anytime. subscribe and listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. don't go anywhere just yet, as you know the cross connection with tiffany cross begins right now. with tiffany cross begins righ now. good morning everybody, welcome to the cross connection. i am tiffany cross and we as usual have so much to discuss this. morning let's get right to it. we're starting with the trump, he better recognize that the justice department is not playing. the doj is officially appealing that thursday decision by florida judge that blocked them from using classified documents seized from mar-a-lago in their criminal investigation. the matter now has the 11th

circuit court of appeals. the moment that the judge's decision was announced, prominent attorneys knew that this was purely bs. >> there are so many outrageous and stupid, frankly, pieces of this decision. it is remarkable because you never thought that there be something worse than our last decision. >> we used to say in these was the generals office that some appeals right themselves. this is one and it is a terrible, terrible abuse of our legal system. >> she is so far out ahead of where the evidence is in this case that it is simply and unmerited, interference in the criminal justice system. it does not serve americans, it does not serve the rule of law. >> it does not to the rule of law. the newly appointed special master, he is now going to sort through nearly 11,000 documents to see if any should be shielded from investigators. in his first act, he is ordering the trump team to appear alongside doj lawyers. this is all happening at brooklyn