what a jam-packed show, thank you so much for watching the cross connection. i will be right back next saturday morning, stay tuned because piers simmons is bringing you the latest live from london. stay with us! they've waited for hours, some in cold temperatures overnight seeking a moment where they can just say goodbye. today a king and prince reached out to say thank you. good day, outside buckingham palace, i'm curious simmons, alex witt's off. it's noon on the east coast, 5

pm here in london. as we look at live pictures of mourners paying their respects to queen elizabeth the second, the british government is now urging people not to travel to join the ten mile q. the queen will lie in state for just one more day before her funeral on monday. rehearsals for the queen's funeral, as many more thousands lineup, with warnings of an almost 24-hour wait in plunging temperatures overnight. >> you've been waiting for ten hours? >> we've been up since 4:00. >> better to have a long, tiring day, and not have regrets in the future. >> there's something very british about kind of enjoying yourself well standing in line, right? or as we say, standing and a cue. >> well we british do it best. >> westminster hall preparing to witness an extraordinary scene. some of those, lining the streets for their own personal moment with the late queen, set to stand close with her grandchildren as they commemorate her.

last night, the monarchs for children, king charles, and, edward, and andrew, in his uniform on this occasion held a second silent vigil by their mother's casket. today her eight grandchildren including william e. -- will do the same. >> elizabeth the second was one of our greatest monarchs. in the thousand years of british history, she's right up there as one of her top monarchs. this is becoming a truly, remarkable historic moment. this very british q stretching all the way for westminster in central london to bremen see in the, east nearly four miles. where famous soccer star david beckham lining up like everyone else, for 13 hours. >> we all want to be here together. we want to celebrate the amazing life of our queen. >> can charles, determined to visit every country in the united kingdom this week, went

to wales, meeting the lawmakers as a ceremonial regiment, and even its g.o.a.t. mascot. he also attended a service for his late mother, and handed over the title of prince wales to his son william. >> that ancient title, dating from the time of those great wells rulers, i now pass to my son william. >> prince william and his weight kate met commonwealth troops as they prepared for the state funeral. but first for the new prince of wales, the private moment of respect for his grandmother, alongside his brother and cousins, a very public and historic hall. >> and just in the past few hours, king charles and prince william's took some time to personally greet mourners, waiting for hours in that queue,

mostly thanking them for coming up and apologizing for the long wait. >> are you okay? e keep warm today, ladies. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> joining me now, my colleague molly hunter, and royal and royal commentator, and daisy mccann drew. molly, what an experience, you're in that line, you've been there for hours, and then there is the king and the new prince of wales to shake your hand and give you a smile! >> worth the wait, right? they were hitting people, still an hour before they actually got to westminster hall here. as you know, we're just outside of westminster hall. the queen is lying in state back there. the line comes from where they met them, down into westminster hall, they go through a little bit of security there. it's been really interesting, i know you had this experience

to. going out to talk to everyone who's waiting there. the first thing they do is i met this friend, and i met this friend, and it becomes this lovely, national moment. but of course it's somber. everyone is there a diverse specks. but there's also this fun celebratory thing as they wait for nine, ten, 11, right now it's 13 hours to get their chance to get inside. >> i kissed his hand. i asked him, can i kissed his hand? and he said certainly. >> he said his mother would be proud, he replied, we were lucky to have her for 70 years. it was a really poignant moment, he looked me straight in the eye. his gorgeous blue eyes. >> it's just absolutely fabulous, glorious, he was so sweet. so kind. >> kyra, i loves the, glorious.

depending on where you are in this key. you might be lucky to see celebrities like david beckham as you mentioned in the piece. he might be lucky to see the queens children are tonight you might be there when the queen's grandchildren come in. >> molly, some of the folks i spoke to in the lines described the people they met their as q friends. stacy, what is it about the british -- we love standing and lined out we? is that part of this? there is obviously so much more, folks just wanting to go and pay their respects to the queen. we sacrificed so much. >> exactly, there is a serious point, but there has been a lot of fun. a lot of comments on social media and the rest of it about how much we brits are famous for our standing in lines, or long cues, as we would call it. have the q has become synonymous with who we are, a reflection. a reflection of the respect and the affection that the queen had in our hearts, but the fact

that people are prepared to put themselves through grueling, and they said 13 hours. it's a badge of honor and think that brits are prepared to do this. i'm happy that people say, i was looking up with the long line -- at the longest line in the guinness book of records is only six miles. so that's another thing, we can prior selves that the guinness book of records, the world record is now rightfully being held by a hearty, stoic, brits. >> daisy, what are you hearing about when you get in that hull? once you get through that experience of lining up, it's a pretty touching, moving experience when you walk into that ancient tell, isn't it? >> i think the thing that most people have said to me is that it's the silence that is so stark. in our modern lives were not used to, we don't have a lot of access to silence these days, dewey? the fact that everyone's

footsteps are muffled by a carpet, everyone is told to turn their phones are, if nobody's lead to take photos, nobody is talking. you can hear a pin drop. you get the occasional noise of the guards changing over. you get the clinking of the uniforms and so on. but that is it. everybody is held in this moment of silence. a lot of people said it felt quite spiritual. a lot of people didn't think that they would be is upset areas of moved or attached as they turned it to be when the moment counties. they turned it to be when mollyt folks will get in line and that find that they don't actually get that experience? is there a cut off point? >> they're absolutely will be, and the police have said that they were watching the numbers carefully so that you don't end up in a situation where you've waited for ten hours, and then in the wee hours of monday morning they say, no, no one else. we do know that the accessible

lines, people with wheelchairs, any kind of alternative -- there's ramps and those kinds of things going into westminster hall. that line is now closed. they said no more, do not come. the other line is still open. 13 hours, they're going to monitor it. it was a 24-hour wait yesterday. it is coming up to 24 hours. we know that people will be allowed up until 6:30 monday morning. so they will certainly be watching very closely. i want to pick up on one thing even days you are talking to. as the resident american, i want to point out, it's very hundred-ish to make all these friends along the way. i think that's one of the lasting wonderful, lovely things. you have really diverse opinions about the monarchy, the politics, all of this. that fades away, you have these diverse cruise of friends being made. >> i completely agree. >> we are friends! daisy, tell me, you don't think it's british? i don't know! >> i think there is something

about striking up conversations with total strangers, that a lot of british -- brits do you feel a little bit squeamish about. we have a high embarrassment threshold. sometimes we think we're gonna strike up a conversation with somebody and they're gonna snap us and not want to talk back. once the barriers come down and you know that it's a safe space where everybody is talking to each other and you're not going to be rebuffed or snubbed, then people start and they can't stop. that's another thing that people have been saying. they really are getting phone numbers and making friendships with total strangers, really lovely. >> maybe we'll learning a little bit from americans by emily, tell me daisy, were a few hours from the moment where the queen's grandchildren welcome to that health for their own vigil. eight of them. we've seen the children, king charles of course, but this will be something different.

>> it will be something different. i pretty much guarantee that it will be the photo that's gonna be on the front page of all the newspapers tomorrow. eight grandchildren. the children of her four children, taking up their place. this is never been done before. the queen is only the third monarch to have had a lying in state. it's not suppressing the grandchildren would be there -- the monarchs the diet didn't have adults, grandchildren, in the way that this queen does. william is 40 years old. to live to 40, to be 40 and to have only just last year grandmother is really quite extraordinary for most people. we will see, harry and william will be in uniform, the other will not. none of them have done any service or have any military titles of their own. but also, we know that beatrice and eugenie, who are prince

andrew's daughters, they were particularly close to their grandmother. we know that lady louise, prince edward's daughter, very close to both philip and the queen. so it's a big deer for them, and to have everybody looking at them, seeing if they're getting emotional, holding it together, there's gonna be a lot of scrutiny, for some of them who aren't used to that level. it's a big moment, but for those people walking through, members of the public at the time, that will be astonishing to be there for that moment tonight. >> they see, did that military uniform that you touched on, is that controversial? do you think harry will be able to wear his military uniform? was there pressure on the pass to concede that? >> there was definitely pressure to concede that, because it originally we were told that it was only andrea to be given one opportunity to wear his military uniform, and that harry wouldn't. and there is a lot of criticism

from the outside that that didn't seem fair to put it bluntly, that harry, yes we know he's not a working royal, yes we know there's a precedent -- you have to be a working royal to wear the uniform, but a lot of people -- i don't mean the people with friends and associates of prince harry, i mean people in the general public, and people like myself. royal watchers if you like. it just doesn't feel right, it doesn't pass the sniff test and it doesn't seem fair. we are repeatedly told that it was not prince harry himself who requested that. who demanded that in any way. that he had said he was happy to wear whatever. those are hunts him clearly weren't happy about it and i think it's a really good thing that they change their minds on that. that is the king's prerogative, and it would have been king charles who changed his mind on that. . okay, molly hunter, and royal

watcher daisy mcandrews, guys thanks so much for getting this started this hour. president biden in the first later are on route to london. they set up just a short time ago from washington to join 500 foreign dignitaries and heads of states for the funeral tomorrow. nbc's yamiche alcindor, joins us from the white house. there are some developments to biden's agenda, what are you learning? >> president biden is going to have a busy few days as he pays for respect to someone he met personally, he knew that the white house two hours ago he's expecting to land in london at the 10 pm hour. he's expecting to go and pay his respects to the queens cup, and he's then expected to sign a condolence book, and then monday he's going to be attending that state funeral for queen elizabeth. he's than expected to be returning to washington d.c.. in terms of the meeting with

the heads of state, he is well as british prime minister -- they're expecting to be meeting on wednesday. they're gonna be meeting on wednesday in new york city. as they both attend the united general assembly, but what really needs to be kept in mind is that as president biden and first lady biden make this trip it's a personal trip for them. of course they're gonna represent the united states but they had met the queen and they remembered her finally, saying she had a curiosity, she was interested in american politics. they also said they talked about losing her husband, her late husband, and in some ways this is really about the president, president biden, coming, they're paying respects, but also showing a real tenderness to the family that of course is grieving for queen elizabeth. a busy couple of days. this is exactly what president biden does. he goes there, grieves, he's someone who's very empathetic, he talks about his own personal last. it's gonna be an interesting couple of days as he visits london to pay his respects and visit the royal family.

nbc's michelle sender, thank you my friend. just a reminder, our coverage of the queens funeral on monday begins at 5 am eastern and the whole morning joe crew chronicling the final farewell to queen elizabeth ii. in a few, minutes more from london, exactly what to expect on the day of the queen's funeral, plus, another appearance by princess william and harry expected. it, moments the latest on the donald trump mar-a-lago saga. new headlines today, including one about news clippings that once might shock, but not surprised. flyin' high ♪ ♪ you know how i feel ♪ (coughing) ♪ breeze driftin' on by ♪ ♪ you know how i feel ♪ copd may have gotten you here, but you decide what's next. start a new day with trelegy. ♪ ...feelin' good ♪ no once-daily copd medicine has the power to treat copd

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would like to read a little bit of it to you. it's addressed directly to the queen and it says, our dearest granny, we've not been able to put much into words cynthia left us all. there have been tears and laughter, silences and chatter, hugs, loneliness, in a collective loss for you our beloved queen and beloved granny. there are so many more words here. later it's, as we are so happy you are back with grandpa, as prince philip of course, goodbye to a granny, it has been the honor of our lives to have been your granddaughters, and we are so very proud of you. every day we are getting statements from the royal family, i like, that just opening up about their personal feelings on these very public days. it's got some new developments in legal showdown over classified materials seized from mar-a-lago last night. the department of justice filed a motion of the 11th circuit court of appeals for a partial pending appeal asking for investigators to be granted

access to the classified records. the new motion comes after trump appointed judge aileen cannon block that access, pending examination of documents by a special master. that special master, judge raymond dairy, will be in the donald trump's legal team for a preliminary conference on tuesday. and reporting from the washington post reveals that months before the national archives officials retrieved classical documents in 15 boxes from mar-a-lago, they were told none of the material with sensitive or classified and that trump had only 12 boxes of quote news clippings and that's according to people familiar with conversations between trump's team and the archives and last night msnbc, the intelligence committee member eric swalwell said that there are still more to learn. >> are you convinced that the fbi has everything that he might have at this point? >> no, no chris. if he is top secret documents and certainly on the other side of his possession of, that we want to know what for nationals

has he been in contact with, what for nationals around mar-a-lago has he been in contact with. >> and donald trump will be speaking later today at a rally in youngstown, ohio, where he will be stumpy for republican senate candidate jamie vance. joining me, now jonathan ali, season policy reporter for msnbc news, and msnbc analyst, and the doj is only requesting that the appeals court brought part of the judges order. break it down for us, when they acquiesce gone, and what are they asking the appeals court to do? >> it appears that the justice department wants to move as fast as it can on these hundreds so classified documents and the ones mike marked as classified and that's over the special master process, and not asking that the judge really decided to have a special master, all they are saying is that it is very important for the justice department have access to these classified documents immediately, as they are part of an ongoing criminal

investigation, and before the make the argument that these documents had not been suggested in court in a legitimate way to actually not be classified or to be the property of donald trump and thus the departments arguing that these documents belong to the government in and have should have the ability to access them. >> and how does the law work here. the government is saying that the public would suffer irreparable harm absent a stay, and it unduly interviews with the criminal investigation, but there is more on the legal side. >> those are the elements that anyone seeking a state with an appeals court of the lower courts order has to show. you have to show irreparable harm among other things. not only that if the court does not grant this in pause the proceedings, that's something of what will happen and that it cannot be fixed. that is not an easy standard to meet, because in addition, you have to show that you are likely to win on the merit.

and so in essence, a court deciding a steak conducts a mini trial in forecast whether or not the person asking for the state will ultimately win. it doesn't decides the actually win, but if we are going to pause these proceedings, does that mean that this person asking for the pause button, do they have a legitimate claim, here in the government falls back on its argument as it originally did which i still think is quietly one of the strongest arguments that trump simply does not have standing and he's a former president and he is asking for a return of property that is not his and therefore he should not even be in court. i think the doj as much as the 11th circuit is comprised of a number of different trump appointees, including republicans as well, i think this argument has a really good shot at the 11th circuit. >> and, john though trump has publicly claimed that he declassified everything he took to mar-a-lago. the finally took issue with how

judge can intensive that assertion it ruling, and what they argue? >> the government's point here is pretty simple, which is that even if these documents were declassified, they don't belong to donald trump as than he was just talking about in terms of the standing issue. but in addition to that, what the government is saying here is that trump, whatever trump acid publicly, his lawyers are not making the case that these documents have been declassified or providing evidence that they were declassified, and even if the information was declassified, the documents themselves that the government is using, they don't belong to him. >> donny, do you think that the judge is keen to get this done if you like, he some of the doj and trump attorneys to a brooklyn courtroom for a preliminary conference on tuesday. >> consider that, the government to go to a preliminary conference with judge dearie with everyone knowing that the government does not want judge dearie to have anything to do with this. they didn't want to be

appointed, and now they don't wanna reviewing these documents. but judge dearie gets, it is not personal, he understands, everyone would say the government simply does not want anyone we outside reviewing these especially classified documents. this is really the only thing the government is seeking to stay on. yeah they don't agree with what each candidate, but they are narrowing in an effort to look reasonable to the appellate court. we're not asking for save everything, but this narrow area of about 100 documents that are super duper classified, we need a stay on those. interestingly enough, has trump ultimately got in a way what he wanted? because this ultimately is a stay, another word for a delay. trump appears to have won the delay to begin, with in an essence, his force the doj to ask for one. >> that means of alice and jonathan arland, thank you so much for joining me on a saturday. busy weekend of tributes to the late queen. one of the new questions about the future of the commonwealth

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and that president biden met with the families of wnba star brittney griner and paul whelan, and was the first face to face encounter between the president in the relatives of the two americans present in russia. the white house says the president is working through all available avenues to bring them home safely. >> back here to london, now and look at the timeline for what you can expect leading up to the queen's funeral. >> it's in 44, just before 6 am eastern time the queens coffin will be carried on a carriage from westminster hall. the funeral began 11:02, two minutes after six on the east coast. 2000 incidents, including president biden, and the first lady. the service will end after 58 minutes. and then at the peoples procession, passport buckingham palace, health workers, police and servicemen and women will walk in from the queen, that is what she wanted. at a six, eastern she will reach her beloved windsor

castle, entering the castle for a committal service that st. george topple beginning at precisely 4 pm. 11 am on the east coast. and this is the chapel where the queen sat alone for the funeral of her husband, prince philip, and she called her her strength. >> and right, now you can see the steady flow of mourners and out of westminster hall after queuing up for hours to get inside there. only inside for a brief moments, i want to bring in the former managing editor of the sunday times, and clive, what are your thoughts on what we are seeing, these astonishing scenes of lines stretching along the famous area. >> they are unprecedented. i get a sense that what we are watching is just not the passing of the queen, but the passing of a person who takes away with her way of thinking about what being british means.

and i'm sure you know this, from your own experience, that she managed to preside over an age in which there is a sense of a continuously evolving and broadening of the nationality. the country became far more, and london, became a multi racial country, a far more diverse country than had ever been, and one of the things that was amazing about the queen really was that she, herself, as well as anyone else, was able to adapt to that cultural change, and she never showed any sign of it upsetting her. in fact, i think she felt very encouraged. she was very positive about that. and with brexit, it changed and brexit itself leaving the european union. it's a kind of narrative nationally because it involves racism in some respects and it

involves xenophobia and anti-european feeling because there are so many europeans working in britain. and that set up a kind of tension and i have a sense that, while we are on pause from reality, over the last week, we set the pause button so that we can appreciate this and join in all of this extraordinary expression of adoration which is with where that comes to mind for the queen across all groups and all ethnic sections of the country. while we've been on pause, we have not been able to hit the play button after the funeral. and these social pressures, they become a very serious challenge to charles the third. there's not much that the king can actually do about the political issues that are expressed here. obviously one of the most pressing ones will be whether scotland breaks away and

resolving the brexit lead problem in northern ireland because it seems like there is a strong possibility of them being united sometime in the next decade or not. that sets up problems of his own, and when president biden comes here, one of his priorities because it's a great concern of his because of his background, irish background, because of the role america played in the good friday agreement, which ended the i.r.a. travels and he set that off with tony blair and i think that joe biden is as much a participant and not move as they were and he's gonna be anxious to talk to liz truss, the new prime minister and he expressed pretty hard-line views, the don't really match with those of the white house. >> it's an interesting point though, because this is a funeral, and in your experience, with british politics, with the

many leaders with president biden coming here is it as an opportunity for diplomacy. it's not just inevitable behind the scenes, and in halls and rooms away from the cameras. >> that's not the point about the queen, the queen had an extraordinary role and using soft power. she represented benign soft power. that is why, i remember the g7 conference in cornwall where she appeared. she enjoyed herself and i remember that they took a group photograph of all the world leaders and on a platform, she stepped generally and she ought to be saying, i would suppose to be looking like we are enjoying this? >> it was a funny moment. and so in some ways, this is a funeral, but also a summit. a enormous summit. >> it's an unofficial summit in a way. they all get to talk to each other, and obviously there talk

about the ukraine, but russian sanctions, a chance to talk about the european union energy crisis all sorts of stuff off of camera and the backrooms. >> all that stuff, it's a split screen, isn't? it we also have these images of charles and williams going to the crowds and shaking hands. i watch the queen and what they called a walk about, many times. do you perceive a different approach and this new royal regime if you, like or does it look pretty similar to the queensway of doing things. >> i was very concerned about the official yesterday because, you have to wonder, there are certainly messages with all this pageantry and although it looks like a man evil pattern yesterday, there wasn't actually a medieval idea the start of the 1936 with the death of george v, who had a vigil, the other one had a princess vigil was the queen mother and the embarrassment

was that really, the big embarrassment was that andrew wasn't uniform, wearing is metals, and injure has an addiction to uniforms. >> only one, so it has served, he did serve in conflict, is that a good argument. >> that's true, and he and harry are the only ones who served in war, and harry served along the war then entered it, but andrew, he wanted to wear an admirals uniform at phillips funeral, and they stop that, probably enters that if he vanished or not? and in the old days, and you had a rogue member of the royal family, you could send him off to a colony to be a general, like the duke of windsor, but there's nowhere for him to go to. what are you gonna do with him? >> yeah, but clive, always terrific to get your insight my friend, very much appreciate

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another bus carrying migrants arrived outside the vice presidents residence in d.c.. several other buses also arrived in new york city --

have been transported to a military base in cape cod where national guard troops are helping them with emergency services. nbc's gary gun back is at the u.s. naval observatory in d.c.. gary, tell us about this latest arrival of migrants? >> hey, just before 7:00 this morning, a charter bus showed up where the vice president lives, and of k 50 men women and children, even newborns were on this bus. we're told there from nicaragua and venezuela, and we're told over this 30 hour bus trip from texas they had just mres -- volunteer organizations were here on the ground and swiftly took them to a local church where they're getting medical attention and the legal services that they need. i spoke to the venezuelan ambassador to the u.s. earlier this morning, he tells me about

why they came to the u.s. in the first place. how they got here. here's what he had to say. >> what i'm asking -- to have a comprehensive approach to treat them in a dignified manner, and to support them. they're not here because they want to be. they've been forced to leave venezuela for political reasons, for the crisis that we're facing in front of venezuela. they're running away from the dictatorship madeira. so that's why they came to the united states. so they were asking that we support. them they've been very helpful for us. i want to treat them, feed them, it doesn't matter. >> i want to take a look at what the numbers look like. governor abbott has sent more than 10,000 migrants to new york, washington d.c., and chicago. arizona's governor has sent more than 1800 migrants here to lashing to d.c..

enough -- and florida government sent 50 migrants to martha's vineyard, and they're now at cape cod. here, i spoke to the cup -- the governor's office and they plan to continue sending migrants out of the state of texas to chicago, new york, and washington d.c., every single day, until the biden administration changes its policies. >> all right gary graham back there, thank you so much my friend. new and shocking images and details from ukraine. in a city just liberated from the russians, those new developments. next and i'll speak about that with the president said -- zelenskyy's former press secretary. press secretary. it's a delicious night on... for everyone at the table. panera. $0 delivery fee for a limited time. when you really need to sleep. you reach for the really good stuff. zzzquil ultra helps you sleep better

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we saw a line of cars. you can see some folks very upset. we just saw a line of cars leave, and head towards westminster hall. we do believe at that moment, that very likely, very moving moment where the queen's grandchildren, her eight grandchildren, we'll stand vigil there at the queen's casket. we do believe that moment is coming at any moment. they may have arrived already. yesterday when the queen's children arrived, it took a little while, including the king of, course it took a little while for them to compose themselves and make their way. for that very private and very public last respects. we will keep our eye on that. and we'll let you know and that's happening. and we'll bring in those pictures. to ukraine now, and new today, investigators say almost all of the exhumed bodies found at a mass burial site have signs of violent deaths. more than 440 bodies were discovered in the city of elysium this week after it was

recaptured from russian forces -- it comes as the president putin vowed to keep attacking eastern ukraine despite the counter offensive in the region. putin also warned that moscow might ramp up strikes on the infrastructure if ukrainian forces target facilities in russia. joining me now is former press secretary to ukraine, yulia mandel. she's also the author of this new book juilia let's talk with the disturbing news -- they uncovered several bodies with their hands tied behind their backs. there's been previous evidence of what's been committed by russian sources, what response would you like to see from

ukraine and the allies, well first of all let me say it feels like a part of every ukrainian is buried there. the hearts are bleeding seeing all of those horrors from the past that putin is repeating for us right now, what's going on there looks like genocidal practice. so ukraine of course would like to hold russia accountable and have the tribune oh where it will be prove to the very end that these are war crimes because these are the crimes against humanity this is not how the war is supposed to be conducted. but first, of course, we need to finish this war. ukrainian army is describing good successes. we hope that partners of ukraine will stay to the very end with this, supporting asked with different means, especially weapons, training, and everything needed to get russian armies out of ukraine. >> >> what do you think the

very end means yulia, because i've spoken to many ukrainian leaders who say is that the very end means going to crimea. is that possible? is there a risk that a humiliated president putin lashes out? >> am i, book the fight of our lives, i'm explaining how difficult for ukrainians it was to believe that such type of a war can be conducted and conducted in our country. and right now when we are put in the position when the ukrainian army leads not only to defend, but to regain the territories, which means actually military attacks. we believe that sometimes of course, we would be able to return all territories. we are not saying it is easy to do, and we are not saying it is easy to do through the winter. and so as i understand, the ukrainian leadership and army wants to regain as much ukrainian territory that was taken by russia after february

24 before winter. and then we will see how it will go. but the victory means my only winning the war, but also holding russia accountable. >> let me know if you think i'm getting ahead of things here, but there are reports that ukrainian forces are close to donetsk. and many years, ago i've been to donetsk and that is the heart of the position if you like and in donbas, but also heading towards donetsk. and how does he control that region if it does manage to control that region knowing that there are pro moscow people living there. >> russia tucked ukraine back into 2014, taking over part of the donbas, but ukraine was holding the part of that region, and there are different types of military in the donbas, and i explained a lot of my book, the fight of our lives, because president zelenskyy also there

are russian troops, but there were some supporters of russia, who used to have ukrainian passports. right, now there were a lot of fighters from russia, including chechens, including from the far regions of russia. but ukrainian army is moving forward, and this is all ukrainian territory definitely. and they have the full rights to restore it in the international recognized borders. >> and do you think it is a challenge, though just briefly for ukraine to behave in a international law given everything that's happened as it takes that territory? >> what we must hope for this. that is what we are aimed to do right now. >> okay, yulia thank you for joining, us appreciate having the time to talk about that rapidly developing story there in ukraine. that will do it for me this hour, my colleague lindsey reiser will continue our coverage here in just a moment,

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interrupted by surprised handshake with the king and a prince. that's a rehearsal like none other in preparation for an event that will be watched by the world. good day from outside buckingham palace in london, i'm lindsay reiser, alex witt's off today. it is 1 pm on the east coast, 6 pm here in london. i want to show you live pictures right now of mourners, paying their respects to queen elizabeth the second as her majesty lies in state at westminster hall. thousands lineup overnight and earlier today for the opportunity to file past the coffin lying in state at parliament and a new statement in the last hour from consensus beatrice and -- the queens granddaughters saying, for now deer granny, all we want is to say thank you. thank you for making us laugh, for including us, for picking heather and raspberries, for marchi