a long wait for the public. interrupted by surprised handshake with the king and a prince. that's a rehearsal like none other in preparation for an event that will be watched by the world. good day from outside buckingham palace in london, i'm lindsay reiser, alex witt's off today. it is 1 pm on the east coast, 6 pm here in london. i want to show you live pictures right now of mourners, paying their respects to queen elizabeth the second as her majesty lies in state at westminster hall. thousands lineup overnight and earlier today for the opportunity to file past the coffin lying in state at parliament and a new statement in the last hour from consensus beatrice and -- the queens granddaughters saying, for now deer granny, all we want is to say thank you. thank you for making us laugh, for including us, for picking heather and raspberries, for marching soldiers, for our t's,

for comfort, for joy. you, being you, will never know the impact you've had on our family, and so many people around the world. >> all the queens grandchildren including william and harry are taking the spotlight this afternoon. they will stand vigil near the coffin just like their parents did last night. earlier today, king charles and prince william went outside buckingham palace to greet mourners who had been waiting hours in line. they thanked people for their condolences. they apologize for the long wait. cold temperatures, many in the clouds were -- crowd were delighted. >> it is exciting. it's very exciting. >> i was speechless. i've never hand shaked the came. >> prince william, prince of wales, they center -- we said we prayed for his reconciliation with his brother. >> i asked him if i could kiss his hand, and he said

certainly. >> and i want to bring in my colleague, nbc news correspondent molly hunter, and suzanna lipscomb. we're watching those grandchildren. let's go ahead and listen for a moment.

some it's incredibly striking images as her majesty's eight grandchildren stand vigil over

her coffin lying in state. this is a somber tradition, when we saw her majesty's children do yesterday, the king and his siblings, standing vigil for roughly 15 or 20 minutes. princess and made history just a few days ago sitting vigil here. being the first woman to do so, to take part in this vigil of princes. as we're watching these emotional images right now, i want to bring in nbc correspondent molly hunter, suzannah lipscomb, professor of the university of -- mali as we watch this, anytime the royal family is taking part in these traditions and perceptions, we really see some of the emotion. we are reminded in addition to this being an incredibly public facing family, these are grandchildren who are really at a loss. we heard a personal statement

earlier, molly. >> lindsey, that's right, i think we're seeing that kind of emotion from the children, from the queens children and from the queens grandchildren. the statement from beatrice and eugenie it was incredibly personal, incredible thoughtful. it took them a while to find the words. watching these images, i'm looking down at my phone because i'm looking at how people are reacting. those are people, westminster hall is behind me, they've been waiting 13 hours to get inside. now, you know, in this moment that they've been waiting for, that they've been building up their head to say thank you, to say whatever they're gonna say. their final goodbye to the queen, they also get the treat of getting to be close to her grandchildren. i wanna tell our audience exactly what we're looking at. the prince of wales, william who's standing at the head of the coffin. -- both in uniform, that was at the king's request. everyone else is in dark formal

dress. they're flanked by -- harry's flanked by princesses beatrice and eugenie. and then -- are in the middle of the coffin. the uniforms were really important, lindsey, we've been talking so much about that. i don't want to interrupt if we're just watching this movie moment to let our audience want to listen and watch, i'm finding it incredibly emotional to watch the grandchildren. >> suzannah pick up where molly left off, the significance of that military uniform as opposed to morning tryst, we know as we heard that harry is wearing that and request by the king. we know that less the significance of this -- the significance -- >> in this instance they've been asked by the king to where the uniforms as a mark --

this is a one-off in opposed to a u-turn. the uniform is conveying on or on the monarch that they are veering and his vigil there they are carrying out as opposed to the wearer. i want to point to that we have here something that is historic. this is the first time that grandchildren have done this. we heard the princess royal, princess -- was the first woman to do this and now we have children doing this lady louise has just turned 15, -- is 14, there queen's angus grandchild. it's very moving to see him there. as well as peter phillips. it's a real honor that there doing to their ground mother, and again shows us what is required of being in the royal family. you have to mourn publicly. you have to put yourself in

this position to be seen at a moment of heightened relief. and that must be a very difficult thing to do. >> susan as we continue to watch these live pictures, and we do see that, that very public facing moment of emotion, having to grieve in public as members of the public have been waiting 12, 14 hours in the cold, finally, get their turn, what does it say about her majesty, her reign, the way that she was wielding soft power, inspired so many, and inspired a generation of firsts? >> i think the fact that we have so many people waiting, in uncharacteristically cold september nights in order to see her, including david beckham, is that it's very much

a sense that people are willing to go through that ordeal. it's part of what they want to do. they want to go through that moment of hardship as a token of their service to the queen, in response to the way that she served them. people are saying things like, i could wait for seven hours, she's served for 70 years. there's a sense that these are people's response. it's an indication of how they p feel about what she did over her reign. they can get this tiny thing back, by waiting and paying their respects, it's an indication of just how much she has been loved and revered. >> molly building on, that you and i have both been out talking to people. when people enter the queue, in southern park, miles away from lambeth bridge where they are led across the river thames and able to get closer to the palace, what are you hearing

from people? it's been really remarkable to see. even though those cues say from this point, you're going to be waiting 14 hours. it's going to be cold, make sure you have food on you. people are happy to do it. >> happy to do it, as you just heard suzannah say, to, this is the least we can do. she served 70 years. waiting, even if it's just 14 hours. it's 13 hours right now, lindsey. they are happy to do. it people are bundling up and warm coats. i think, lindsey, we are talking about, people are also making friends. this is a really diverse crowd of people. this is hundreds of thousands of people that are trying to get their chance to say their final goodbye, to pay their final respects, like these people are as u.s. them filed by. and you have a really diverse crew, and yet waiting for that amount of time, people are making friends. one group i walked up to said, meet my chosen family. we've been around for the last

ten hours, we've seen it through for the next four. there's a real spirit of unity, of community, people are laughing together, crying together. even if people feel differently about the monarchy, they have different political views, everyone is united by their shared respect for the queen. it's been really fun, almost, to be out there with everyone. and then what's interesting, lindsey, is once they go through westminster hall, we've been talking to people coming out of westminster how. that's when the grieve hits. all this anticipation, excitement to go in, they've thought about what they're gonna say to her majesty, and then they come out, and it hits them, they're in a new era, she is gone, king charles is now they're kicking. >> suzannah, as we continue to watch these eight grandchildren standing vigil over their grandmothers captain, there are a lot of elements to the pageantry, to the procession's, that are a bit foreign to americans. they don't necessarily understand the traditions.

we don't have anything, obviously, like this, in america. what is the significance of this moment? in addition to being the first time the grandchildren are doing this, what does this symbolize? what does the show? >> trust me, much of this is unfamiliar to people in the uk watching, as well. of course, we haven't seen this for 70 years. we are learning as well. but this is simply what it looks like. it's a way of honoring and showing respect. it is a sense of marking this moment and testifying to the fact that here lies the queen. and so, it is this very interesting combination that we're seeing here, actually. these are members of her family. the grief they're feeling is as members of her family. as grandchildren. and yet what they're doing is honoring a sovereign. and so this combination of the

constitutional, and the personal, is on display here. and it is an amazing thing to see. and indeed, also, to see that way in which people are responding to this moment which is a huge moment of constitutional change. and get responding to it as if it's a personal loss. that's the industry -- interesting mystery of the royal family. this is historic. we go back to the 17th century, people cued for hours to be touched by the king because they thought it might cure what was known as -- a disease that was sought to -- thought to be cured by the kings touch. this idea that people have always felt that there's something semi sacral about the monarchy, in this strange moment of transition. >> suzannah, i want to dive

into the strange moment of transition again in a minute. but you mentioned the mystique, the intrigue, the mystery of the royal family. given that what do we know about the majesty's relationship with these eight grandchildren that were seen publicly grieving at this moment? >> actually we know that she was close with nearly all of them. she was amazingly proud of zero tyndall, who, of course became a olympian, an equestrian athlete, just like her mother princess. and she has a great affection for the grandchildren, and they with her. when you heard that statement -- it testified [noise] >> when second, suzannah, let's listen.

[noise] a very somber moment a very moving moment as we continue to hear that the -- we hear the footsteps, as the public is once again allowed to file through. suzannah, for someone just watching this on the screen, i'm at buckingham palace, i'm not against minister palace, it gives one chills to see such a

somber symbolic movement. we saw prince william leading his cousins, they're in that procession. when we talk about the future of the monarchy it does rest on his shoulders. mpeople that i've been speaking with are looking forward more to his reign, feeling that he might have more tenure than his father, now king charles. what does this moment the -- moment mean for the future of this monarchy as they look to see how they define it in the coming years? >> well of course, for the prince of wales, these are all rehearsals. he will have to do all of this again, when his father dies, and when he becomes king. and so, i really noticed that, at the accession council, it was interesting and very wise of the queen to have made him a council, so he could be there when his father had his succession council.

we see how the whole thing works. now he has carried out this vigil. and his father is in his 70s. it is likely that we will see another vigil carried out by the prince of wales, long live the king, but in 20 or 30 years, we will see it. so i think it's very important that they have chosen to do this. and gives him a moment of preparation, and it prepares us, as part of this long term planning, that we see the line of succession. we see who's coming next. that's why, of course, when the king went out to greet people in the queue, prince william, the prince of wales went as well. it's all intentional. we are being prepared. >> molly, as we just watched that powerful moment, we're seeing some of it replaying right here, what strikes you so much about this moment and

where you are, physically, where other people doing what you're doing? watching it on their phones? >> yeah, lindsey, absolutely. we saw that just before your hour started. we saw all the grandchildren come by in range rovers and people are still lining the streets just to the right of me hoping to catch a glimpse which we may see in the next couple of minutes. their windows were open, they waved to the crowd. people knew they were coming, they didn't know exactly what time. the start of the vigil had not been published. everyone was watching inside. we are a few hundred feet away from where the queen is lying, from where their grandchildren were just inside. there was this moment, this is a very, we are in parliament square, lindsey. people are running around. there are kids, their families. people have come here to see other people. to spend time with other people. those 15 minutes were much quieter. and you just want to pick up on something even suzannah had just said as well about prince

william, about the prince of wales, really being his father's right-hand man now. we heard said that it will be a double act. the chairman and ceo. we saw that today, they're very close. prince -- king charles knows that prince william is more popular than he is. when you look at the polls, this is not necessarily the only thing, and the only reason that the king would do this, but he clearly trusts his son. he trusts the air apparent. but there are the two most popular royals right now. we will see them more prominent positions, we will see them out with prince charles and queen concert camilla. the future of the monarchy is on williams shoulders, it's also on kate. people love her, lindsey. we were talking to younger people the last few days about the excitement around kate. i just hear the gong there in my ears. --

but people are excited to see more of that younger generation. led by william, but also those eight grandchildren. >> certainly, all right, parliament square, molly, i can only imagine what it is right now with everybody waiting to can't another glimpse as those grandchildren leave. molly hunter thank you so much. suzannah, thank you as well. i appreciate your time. msnbc will bring the pageantry and parents of the queen's funeral with morning joe, beginning coverage at 9 am eastern right here on msnbc. next, new developments in the mar-a-lago documents investigation. the justice department applying a full court press to access the classified documents, possibly with the u.s. national security at stake. security at stake. next is the new great garlic. the tender rotisserie style chicken is sublime and the roasted garlic aioli adds a lovely pecan flavor. man, the second retirement really changed you.

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action in the showdown over classified material seized from

donald trump's mar-a-lago resort. the department of justice is now filed a motion the 11th circuit court of appeals, for a partial state, pending appeal. the doj is asking for investigators to be given access to records marked as classified. the new motion comes after trump appointed judge, aileen cannon, black that access, pending an examination of the documents by a special master. i move it's garnered a lot of criticism from legal experts. >> her two decisions are literally the two most atrocious decisions that have ever been red by a trial judge, and that's saying a lot. there really, really, pathetically bad. >> once again, the judge seems to be going out of her way to favor donald trump. and what he wants to get out of this litigation. >> meanwhile, in his first move as special master, judge remain diary -- summoning the d.o.t. for a preliminary conference on

tuesday. new reporting -- a new reporting reveals months before national archive officials retrieve classified documents, those 15 duck boxes from mar-a-lago, they were told none of the material with sensitive or classified. trump had only 12 boxes of, quote, news clippings, that's according to conversations with trump's team. we'll be watching for wet, if anything, trump says publicly on today as he holds o'reilly and youngstown, ohio. joining me now is joyce vance, a former attorney and analyst, and mark -- and in and mess nbc national security and intelligence analysts. joyce, let's begin with the doj's appeal of judge cannons -- what are their arguments, what are the chances that this 11th circuit court of appeals, where by the way six of the 11 judges are trying appointees, we'll ruling the judge's favor? >> right now we're only looking at this very limited appeal of

the district judges state order. doj's larger appeal on her ruling's yet to come. we haven't seen the first pleading in that yet. we may known for sometime. but right now they're saying, the district court, please let us use these classified documents. the argument is, the former president has no conceivable right to these documents. they are classified material. that classification designation is up to the government, not to trump, at least not at this point. so there is no reason to include these documents in the special master's review. the government suggests that there could likely be irreparable damage to national security if it's not permitted to proceed with its review. and the public is entitled to a speedy criminal investigation, here. it's a very compelling case, i know people have expressed concern that half of the judges on the 11th circuit were appointed by president trump, but no one becomes a federal

judge, either district, or circuit, without being appointed by a president from one of the parties. so now it's up to the 11th circuit to look at what truly is, i would adopt neil's words, it's a wrong decision on the facts and the law made by the district which. a grievously wrong decision. except the court of appeals to correct, it like it's up to them to crack any error committed by the lower federal court. the hope is that they'll take a strong stand to the rule of law, and restore public confidence in the courts when they rule. >> the doj says the government and public would suffer irreparable harm, and that the ruling unduly interferes with their criminal investigation. why is the dj -- doj so concerned here? >> it comes down to what i said most of my career, running through intelligence operations. a delay, which, really hurts us because number one we can't get to the bottom of who accessed

those several hundred documents that the government has already retrieved, but more importantly, just as importantly, the notion about what about those missing documents. it has to do with the -- i'm afraid that this judge -- really calls into question the fundamental notions of [inaudible] an agent that someone who's dying for us. i could easily see, overseas, a cia case officer meeting clandestinely with an agent who says, hold on for a second, when i agreed to betray my country, i did so with the notion that you could keep me safe. that the information i'm pretty -- providing for you would never get out. and i think that's [inaudible] -- with the judge's ruling with its delay, that's gonna hurt us. this delay is just not something that is going to be good.

again it's a poor business of running our agents overseas. >> joyce, you mentioned that it's up to the court of appeals to correct wrongs from the lower courts but what kind of precedent does judge cannons really set. >> she is one federal district court judge, one trial court judge among the 94 federal districts across the country. it's not much in the way of precedential value in a technical sense, it's not a ruling from a higher court that judges in another circuit might consider. the problem is this. whether it's precedent or not, she is now established a mechanism that defence lawyers can use in other cases. frankly that they should use because a defense lawyer's job is to aggressively represent their client. and having seen this procedure used in one case where it will slow down investigation, perhaps impede investigation, many defensive lawyers will

begin to use this assertive path to ask judges for the same special treatment for their client. it's not a productive development. it's not a sensible development in our criminal law, the special master process is meant to be used in cases like those where attorneys offices are searched. and there's a lot of documents that have attorney client privilege that are unrelated to the case being investigated. some objective person needs to be in place to sort through that to make sure there's no pain that occurrence as investigators look at documents. that is clearly not the case with the former president. that's the tragedy of this ruling. it will take something that's not legally warranted and push it out into the legal environment in ways that will damage the system. >> and mark, i have to be quick with you on this, but government prosecutors also took issue with judge cannons order giving him access to the 100 classified records without

specifying they hold security clearances, why would that be issues? >> first of all there will be a delay with issuing them. in many instances the will be a top secret clearance. they'll have to require an f s.a.t. six. but probably expedited. it also goes to the notion that these will be biased individuals. this is really expanding the knowledge, we're talking about things such as special access programs. only a few people in the entire u.s. governments would have access to. just by definition, gaining access to these documents, you know, in this process of obtaining security clearance is going to push down -- or push forward, the timeline. this is not -- it's not like fine wine, it doesn't age well. we need to get the stand, we need to get the fbi back in the game. to better get the documents they retrieved and what is potentially missing. >> okay joyce vance and micro illiopolis, thank you so much. >> it's called making a joke at

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battle over immigration, as several more buses arrived in new york city from texas today, mounting pressure amid a surge of migrants crossing the southern border. also today, another ball bus carrying maggots for texas arrived in d.c.. outside the vice presidents residence.

nbc's gary graham block is there in d.c.. gary, what can you tell us about these latest arrivals? >> lindsey, we were here just before 7 am this morning as a single charter buses full of migrants arrived here. just outside of the vice presidents residence, and that is when 50 migrants came off the bus. they were men, women, children, even newborns. and we are told they are from venezuela and nicaragua. we are told on the 30 hour bus ride all they really had to eat where those am are ease. and we are also told that fallen volunteers were here to take them to a local church to get them medical and legal services they need. but of course, this is the fraud political issue on both sides. republicans think this is a good idea, for the most part. and they are even suggesting other locations to bring migrants like delaware, or wilmington where president biden has homes. democrats, for their, part are calling this a political stunt and calling it inhumane. including one of the guys that lives in the space behind me. here is what he had to say.

>> yeah, i do have a reaction. i think it was shameful. these are human beings. these are people they needed to be treated with dignity and kindness and respect. and they weren't. and we have so-called leaders in this country who, rather than focusing on what is good for the public within their own states, they are using people as pawns for a political stunt. i think it is shameful. >> now, lindsey, the tight texas governor's office tells me that buses will continue to be sent every day out of texas to chicago, new york, and d.c. until the administration changes its immigration policy. lindsey? >> gary grumble, thank you. joining me right now for more on this is julián castro, msnbc political commentary and former secretary of housing and urban development. thanks for being with us on this. you wrote on twitter that the governors abbott and desantis

are lying to our families to lure and traffic them out of state on the taxpayers time to help themselves politically. it is pure cruelty, it may also be illegal. the doj should investigate. so, what do you think of the criminal about this and can the doj go after these governors? >> i hope the doj will investigate, lindsey, because as others have pointed out what they are doing it is fraudulently inducing these individuals, who by the way, are here legally, to seek asylum is perfectly legal. and so they are here legally. they are being fraudulently induced to cross state lines essentially for these governors political gain. to me, these governors have basically become human traffickers. they are human traffickers who traffic people for personal gain, for money. these governors are trafficking these folks for political gain and i hope the doj does investigate them. >> secretary, at the flights paid for by governor desantis brought migrants from martha's

vineyard from san antonio. you are mayor there for five years. how did local officials there typically handle the situation? what should have been done instead of this? >> thankfully there are folks who are doing productive things to respond to the influx of people who are seeking asylum, for instance here in san antonio, they set up a migrant center a year ago, maybe longer than that, to deal with the influx of people. that migrant center is being funded locally. i also believe it is throwing down federal funds. there has to be a process in place to make sure that the intake is both affective, so that these folks are gonna talk to their asylum hearing when they have it, but there is a legal process that is followed, but that it is also humane. they have food, water, shelter that they need. what these governors are doing as the exact opposite. they are fooling, they are dipping these folks to go to places where they don't have the food that they need, they

aren't getting the resources that they need, it is basically the sources that the resources humans need. and on top of that, the governors are not informing the local jurisdiction or nonprofits there who might be willing to step up and help and when they get their. instead, they are creating chaos. thankfully, these nonprofits weather in martha's vineyard, d.c., new york, chicago, have stepped up. they scramble to try to make things work. but there is only so far that they that can go when they have to deal with these games that desantis and abbott are playing. >> nbc news is reporting that there is friction between the biden administration, the white house, and dhs. reportedly, dhs wants to manage some of this overcrowding at the southern border by flying migrants to cities that are further inland. do you feel like maybe that option now, because this is happening, has been taken off the table? if that were to be an option, it could be more orderly.

some of these places could have a little bit >> advanced notice, but do you feel like that's now off the table? >> i don't know that it is off the table. i'm not privy to the discussions that the administration is having, except to say this. it is already true that there is a network of places, of facilities, that house children and adults who are seeking asylum and who find themselves here, across the border. so it is not like the burden is a hunted percent right now on these border states. but, it is also true the influx that we have that the administration should look at other ways both to invest resources in these border states so that nonprofits and governmental entities have more of an ability to deal with the influx. but then also look at what other states can do. and i'm sure that there are other states that are willing to provide shelter and resources if that is done and an orderly manner. if it is done with a process

that reflects those states and jurisdictions. and that is what is missing from what desantis and abbott are doing. you can't just use people as political pawns and dump them into these other jurisdictions and say, hey you guys handle it. it doesn't work that way. you can do it effectively and humanely. and that is what the biden administration right now is trying to do. >> that said, secretary, there are 8000 people crossing the border every day. how big of an issue do you see this being ahead of the midterms, and what does the administration need to do? i mean, comprehensive immigration reform doesn't appear like it will happen tomorrow, for example. >> well, they've done a lot. they have invested in trying to make sure that people have more opportunity in the northern triangle countries. we have seen a lot of folks come from whether it's el salvador or, guatemala. they started this joint patrolling effort with mexico in guatemala to try to stem the

flow of people here. they also have invested resources in local communities to try to handle the influx, and right now, it seems like they're trying to figure out okay, how do we make sure that people have safety and if they are seeking asylum here, they are part of a process that is orderly. that includes increasing the number of immigration judges so that people's asylum hearings can be held more quickly. they can do all of those things. but in order to do it, they need the cooperation of states and not these kinds of gimmicks that desantis and abbott are engaged in. >> julio castro, we will have to leave it. there thank you so much for. time >> thank you. >> you heard a lot of stories about donald trump's time in the white house, but you haven't heard these stories. guess who called the former president a very bad word, who was a lot of fun to hang out with? how shrugging it off became a survival tactic, next. e survival tactic, next. survival tactic, next. y skin with itch.

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in ohio ahead of former president trump's rally tonight where he'll stump for republican senate candidate j.d. vance that he's endorsed in the upcoming midterms. nbc's jesse corrections in youngstown, ohio, at this save america rally. a kind of turnout are you seeing? what's the mood there? >> yeah, lindsay, for context, we're still more than five hours from when former president donald trump has said to take the stage. you can see hundreds lining up behind me. when man telling me he'd been in line since nine this morning. this is tied to candidates for various congressional offices in ohio. but make no mistake, the vibrant getting is that this is a donald trump event that happens to also be tied to people who are running for office. they've also met people from nebraska, people from oklahoma. these are people who are just

focused on ohio politics. hear what a couple of ohio voters have said to us today. >> and that really interested in that race, but i'm gonna vote republican. we are gonna win the have. >> i basically, i'm over here because trump backed him. but i do like the things that j.d. vance stood for. he's the daphne the position. he's the only one that could be team ryan. >> so those are the people that are talking about j.d. vance, the gop nominee for senate in ohio. he might remember in a divisive primary, he pulled a how'd in the race after donald trump has endorsed him. he's now in the congressional district, lindsey. >> jessica, thank. you and new book is revealing shocking new stories about donald trump's time in the white house. the divider, but journalist

peter baker and susan glasser, dives in how donald trump presents a new threat, by exploiting the anti democratic section of the gop. joining me to discuss is a congressional reporter at politico. the divider hits bookshelves tuesday. a lot of interesting nuggets have been released. according to axios, it reveals that lindsey graham called trump a lying mother -- f her, but a lot of fun to hang out with. he gave what can you do shrug. what can you say about what has become a mindset for so many gop enablers? >> what's become fascinating over the years, watching how they react to the thing that donald trump has said and done, his more erotic temp did see, he's testified it but if falling back on the policies that they as conservative

republicans have long supported. i'm talking about things like appointing conservatives to the federal judiciary, of course the three individuals that donald trump appointed to the supreme court that were very swiftly confirmed by the republican controlled senate. this is what conservative republicans on capitol hill care about. they did it by a trying to dismiss, as much as they could, some of these more erratic tendencies of the former president. that's how they've come to justify the continued support for donald trump, while trying to keep their distance from him as he considers whether to run for president in 2024. there's obviously a huge consideration for them, as they're laser focused on these upcoming midterm elections, trying to flip the house and the senate. >> a new york times -- review said, if the divider has a dominant theme, it's the struggle in anomalously career

to nationally chaotic white house, people trying to rein in his dangerous instincts. that white house became a dent of ongoing tribal warfare. almost an apprentice style apprentice tv show. comey reporting, how awkward has it been for some of these reality show contestants to work in the same circles, now, post white house apprentice? >> right, well i think one of the most illuminating aspects of the book with a line about how it is less about getting things done in the trump white house and more about preventing things from getting done. you saw members of congress, people in his inner circle, cabinet officials, frequently trying to stop the then president from doing things that they felt would upend the constitutional order, or be a blunder on the world stage, for example, donald trump flirted many times with the idea of

just unilaterally moving troops around to different parts of the world. or withdrawing them from those parts of the world altogether. he did see people like lindsey graham, these more traditional neoconservatives on foreign policy issues, trying to rein in the former president on these topics. anytime they would get wind that he was considering taking those types of dramatic actions, trying to step in and prevent him from doing so. and again, a lot of this, it's very illustrative in the book itself. but a lot of what happened in the trump white house was trying to prevent him from doing things that republicans around him, including those in his inner circle, felt would be very destructive. >> all right, andrew, will have to leave it there. thank you. >> now to republicans in washington who can't seem to get on the same page on abortion. republican senator lindsey graham getting pushback from his own party on his newly proposed federal ban on abortions at 15 weeks.

>> i think most of the members of my congress prefer that this will be dealt with at the state level. >> a better approaches to lay tim can a -- kyrsten sinema indict -- >> decisions concerning hotly contested question of abortion go to elected legislatures, that's going to be principally decided at the state levels. >> i think we need to be codified roe and not turning back the clock 50 years. >> joining me now is adrienne eller, on the democratic strategist, an aide to the bare -- and nbc news think contributor. adrian, political playbook quotes an unnamed democrat who said that -- is a godsend that helps remind voters americans want to ban abortion everywhere. the issue really has been galvanizing voters. does grams bill strengthened

grant -- democrats argument? >> certainly, it's been a gift given to us frankly that we don't think we were expecting. and i don't think a lot of republicans were expecting it either. it's off almost like lindsey graham can't stand it when he's not garnering the attention he wants, not making headlines like he was with donald trump. i know he's doing fox news sunday tomorrow, where i'm sure he's gonna say more things that will give democrats leverage to run on going into the midterms. but look, no mistake, you can have mitch mcconnell, you can have some of these other republican leaders standing up and saying, you know, this is not where the party stands. it is where the party stands. that is why they spent so much time over the last four years getting three confirming, confirming three supreme court justices all of whom, made very clear, they're pro-life. it's what they wanted for a long-time. they can duck behind what lindsey graham is doing, but swing voters will make the decisions on the midterms. they know what's going on here.

in that this is truly what the republican party has stood for, and continues to stand for. >> nationally, political asked whether graham scored his own goal here, did he? >> at this point, even with this gift from graham, i do think that this is going to still be a very close midterm election because lindsay, what you now mentioning, the enthusiasm is not really there for the midterm elections, generally. and i think this is going to cause an enthusiasm gap on both sides of the party, of the political spectrum, because we're gonna have any democrats are going to be fired up by the fact that if republicans take the majority and get elected to these offices, we are seeing a lot of trump like candidates that are running for these offices, there will be a vote on this bill. that's issue number. one issue number two is that inflation is still driving the economic issues for republican

voters. so that's definitely going to widen the enthusiasm cap on that side. the real thing we need to talk about is the fact that this will be a bill that comes up for a vote if republicans get elected, that should be what drives everyone to the polls. even those who are empathetic, even those who typically see a low enthusiasm for midterm elections. we're going to have a real problem on our path plans, if republicans get elected. republicans like lindsey graham are still at, they're still running for these offices. mcconnell can associate themselves from this, we're gonna have a lot of republicans that do this, because they don't want to be associated with this. but as adrian met mentioned, this is where the republican party stands on the issue of abortion. they're doing nothing, new families here bringing children into this world. i think, again, democrats can go out there, they can totally want, you know, about their successes on the economic

issues, the infrastructure bill and all this other stuff the democrats are touting but we are definitely gonna run into some enthusiastic issues. >> well, to that point, adrian, i want to give you a chance to respond here, because we do know, that the president's approval ratings are increasing. much better than they were even midsummer, here, and we're seeing democrats feeling the momentum here. the numbers seem to be backing that up, adrian? >> yeah that's exactly, right inflation costs are starting to go down. americans are feeling that in their pocketbook, that certainly making a difference. but also the inflation reduction act has passed. it's signed into la. without one single republican, and with biden being the hum of this process the entire. way we are now seeing that this work, all that hard work, the administration, congressman put into getting the bill passed coming into fruition. his numbers are, up americans

see bright lights on the horizon, in terms of how it's going to affect their families. president biden is doing such a good job, lindsay, going out on the stump and making a case for why the american people should support democrats in this election cycle. he is trying that contrast he's making clear the democrats are the party to stand for lowering costs for families, they stand with americans values, where is republicans are the party that's obstructing things, that do not stand on the side of american families. he's making that case, and that is also continuing to his numbers going up. >> all right, we'll have to leave it there. sorry ashley, thank you so much, adrian elrod, welcome back from attorney leave as well. that'll do it for me on this edition of alex witt reports. i'm lindsay reiser in london. my friend jens -- yasmin into susie and continues our coverage next. our coverage next. love that for me. just choose the frequency and ship it! i feel so accomplished. now you can pet me. great prices on everything pets want. chewy. it's the all-new subway series menu!

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