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vossoughian, if you're just joining us, welcome. it's good to see. if you're sticking with us, thank you. to republican governors and potential 2024 presidential candidates trafficking in human suffering to score what they see is political points. more migrants arriving today, outside the residence of vice president harris in a continuing and cruel effort by greg abbott and ron desantis. one group is about to fight back. in a moment and more to talk to -- garcia about what he has in store in texas tomorrow. also this hour, as the doj moves to appeal a -- an ominous warning and which sure sounds like a threat from donald trump. and i'll be joined by a woman who's become a hero in her fight for trans kids, her own and others. texas mom joining us live on

set to talk about her efforts to fight anti trans laws. it's now inspired a video game to help other family struggling as well. we begin this hour with the migrant crisis at the southern border, in major cities hundreds of miles from the border. this was the scene, earlier today, outside of vice president kamala harris's residence in washington d.c., where additional buses arrived. they're being sent by governors, primarily run desantis and greg abbott of texas, who claimed they're just relocating the migrants to sanctuary city. we are joined from port authority where buses continue to arrive. >> thus far today six busloads of migrants have arrived here at port authority in new york city, the last three busloads, people telling us they came here from venezuela, a few saying they have family in the new york area. most telling us they have no idea why they were sent to new york. point of authority officials

telling us, all six busloads came from el paso texas. of course, this has been going on for months. republican governors have been sending busloads and as of this week, private planes filled with migrants to cities in the north. democratic strongholds, basically, and sanctuary cities. this week, florida governor ron desantis making big headlines, taking credit for sending two private plane falls to martha's vineyard, roughly 50 people, venezuelan migrants saying that his state legislature has set aside $12 million to make these trips continue, and telling democrats in the cities that they should expect more. as of today, again, that seems to be the case in new york. also in d.c.. the second bus full of migrants arriving this morning. the second best for this week outside vice president kamala harris is washington d.c. home. governors telling us they have no plans to stop this routine anytime soon.

based on what we've seen here, that does seem to be the case. i'll send it back to you. >> thank you for that. i want to bring in domingo garcia, the president of lulac the nation's largest latino rats organization. thank you for joining us. i know you're planning a protest in texas to prevent more buses from coming. >> we plan to have peaceful civil disobedience. basically first of all notified these immigrants, these refugees, about the race. they don't have to get on these buses. many of them don't know they're gonna be dumped at six in the morning at the vice president's home, or where they're gonna be dropped by -- it's disgusting, it's terrible, the politics are using these refugees. for >> take me inside the minds of some of these migrants. i know that you are speaking to

some of them amidst this whole experience. i can't imagine what it's like to add them to have to travel by bus, by plane, some of them with newborn infants and hand. and go somewhere they gotten, they have no idea where they are. what are they telling you? >> i wasn't at -- i was at martha's vineyard yesterday, talking to several of the immigrants. almost all of them were venezuelan, they can't be departed back, they're fleeing a communist dictatorship. what they're saying is, i want to go to portland oregon, what am i doing in massachusetts? i didn't ask to come here. they were taken advantage of. they were allowed to. they were promised the real get judge for three months. they can't get a job, they're under federal, legally, here. they have to apply for a work permit. they're being given false premises, lies, by contractors from these two governors. and being abused in a very un-christian, an american way. >> i wanna play for you some

sound from a boston immigration attorney who talked about the experience of many of these migrants, that ended up in martha's vineyard. then we'll talk about it on the other side. >> they were lied to again, and again. fraudulently induced to board the plane's. they were told there was a surprise present for them, and that there would be jobs and housing awaiting for them when they arrived. this was obviously a cystic liar. not only did those responsible for the stunt know that there is no housing, and no employment awaiting the migrants, they also very intentionally chose not to color head, to any single office authority on martha's vineyard so even the most basic human needs arrangements could be made. ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all, was the entire point. >> these families, men women children, they are being used as political pawns. that's not an opinion, it's a

fact. do they know that? >> they do not, they don't know that there being political opinion, is being beat up and abused, discarded on the sidewalks of the vice president 's house at 6:00 in the morning. no food, nor water, no provisions, or what to do when they get there. the attorney said it correctly. this is sadistic and cruel, use of human beings, children, families to try to score political points. this is a lack of common decency. the lack of common christian charity that you would use for any fellow human being who came here looking for refuge in this country. it's spitting in the face of the statue of liberty and telling you we don't want your masses -- anymore go back to where you come from. that's not the america that i know. that's not the america a grew up in. unfortunately, these two governors are using this type of statistic cool tactics and

taking advantage of these refugees. >> what's your message to voters in states like florida and texas. you've got a pretty heated governor race ahead, governor abbott going up against beto aurora, desantis going up against charlie crist. what do you say to folks that are going to be voting in november? >> if you believe in american values and you believe in christian charity, you vote those people that do not believe in that out of office. and so register, east of town to register, vote texas in florida, get out your vote. bring your neighbors and your families out there and send a message that hate and fearmongering have no place in american politics. whether you're republican or democrat, these tactics are beyond the pale. >> domingo garcia, thank you. >> all right still ahead everybody, princess william and harry lead the queen's gala grandchildren in a powerful tribute as they stand vigil. plus the rise and fall of giuliani, had a man who is once

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kids and their families in the state of texas are scoring a legal victory. a minor one. as an appeals court blocks the state run investigation of the families to provide gender -- this is all coming to court filings that makes some shocking claims. when mother claiming in a sign declaration, that the states

department of family and protective services pulled her 13-year-old trans child out of a class to interrogate him about his medical history and his gender identity. imagine that, if you were that kid's mother? all about the parents -- without the parents knowledge. a court document alleges that, he was only experimenting with -- left the child with suicidal ideations. these shocking relegation, is all part of a larger suit. usually brought in part by my next guest and her family, amber briggle, who has been on the front lines of this for a while now. i want to take a look back at a portion of my conversation with the family, just over a year ago. >> when they are passing bills that is going to intentionally make life miserable, for children and their families, they're not doing their jobs. amber and adam briggle

appearance of max lulu. max is a 13-year-old transgender boy. but most of all he's a kid. >> what do you like best of your mom? >> she's always here. here for you. i can call her and she'll come. >> here i am -- >> she shown up a lot lately, testifying before the texas state legislature to make a bill to make gender affirming health care or child abuse in the state of texas. >> they're debating our existence, take away support that a child needs to survive this child abuse, plain and simply. >> amber briggle and her husband adam are joining me now in the studio. so great to have you guys. it's been a while. >> max is enormous now. we're >> >> gonna see him in a moment now. we have a little surprise coming up. i saw him i thought, oh my gosh. >> he towers over me. >> he's essentially my height. >> it's amazing. >> he's coming for me next.

>> let's get into the politics of what you have been dealing with over the last year or so since they last value. let's talk first about this minor when that happened yesterday. big deal. but already an appeals file. talk to me about what happens? >> let's -- yesterday the judge issued an injunction basically stopping any investigations into the families of transgender children strictly on the basis of the fact that we have trans kids. the state immediately appealed that. i don't really know what happens next because i'm not a lawyer. but the fact that these investigations happened at all is an extreme injustice. it's a campaign of terror. it's unconstitutional, it's government overreach planted simple. >> walk me through it, abbott -- adam up top -- i'll start with you what have you been dealing with in the state of texas when it comes to some of these department -- these child protection services that they have launched? >> when i got a call from amber

because she got a call from cps saying we're under investigation, she was on the floor crying, as you might imagine. i got there, my first thought was, we always thought this might happen, my first thought was is it too late to get into the state? just in terms of the reality that we're living. it feels like we're -- we're thinking about do we need to up and our lives and leave now? she got a call, i went e right to her office, it's been a whirlwind ever since to protect your basic rights to exist in texas. >> what is that investigation looks like so far? what has happened throughout their term? >> i can talk about our experiences. i think there's 13 families that have been under investigation. were the only ones who've gone public. so i can talk about our experience. i got a call. she said she was with cps, she was 30 minutes out, i freaked out. i collapsed to the floor,. i thought i was gonna keep balling.

a federal keep falling, a held on the floor. that was on a monday. on wednesday, she was in her home, on our coach, interrogating each of us individually. myself first, then adam, and i can't remember which kid went first. they were alone with that investigator along with their lawyer who thankfully is representing them pro bono. >> their lawyer, i.e. your children's lawyer? >> yeah we had a lawyer, the children had a lawyer, she stayed with him. it was absolutely -- it was absolutely terrifying. basically for governor abbott to send an employee of the state, by the way, cps is incredibly understaffed, underfunded -- children are literally dying in the cps system in the state of texas. they are wasting valuable staff resources to come and investigate s, terrorize our

children. >> was the investigator, this person interrogating you, apologetic? where they're confrontational? what kind of questions that they asked? >> it was really interesting, it seemed like she didn't want to be in that situation as far as i could tell. many people in that agency have since left because of this illegal it, invasive order. what was really challenging -- at the very end of the investigation she turned to both of us, clearly you're doing something right. and then left. >> she said you have wonderful children. she left. our case stayed open for many months afterwards. >> even though she said that to. you >> it's clearly politically motivated. look at the timing of all of this? this order came out at the end of february, ag paxton, and greg abbott the governor were in a really tight primary race. they did this to drive people to the polls during the primary plain and simple. this is 100 percent political. in fact, we had ken paxton for

dinner in our home, six years ago. >> i remember you telling me this. >> it wasn't child abuse six goes, now you're in a primary fight, suddenly it's child abuse. >> what needs to get done, guys? >> we're so grateful, when a family gets under attack, it takes a village to defend you. we have to mention aclu, they're out there fighting. one of the things people can do this help support those organizations. we're really grateful for glaad who helps to amplify and tell our story. support organizations like that is one good thing to do. >> for people watching across the country, make noise. this attack against transgender children did not start the moment the cps agent running our doorbell. this is been years of this steadying attacks, getting worse, getting crueler every single year. until we as a nation stand up and fight for the most vulnerable, trans kids, these attacks are only gonna get worse. whatever it is you do well, do

that for trans kids. amplify their stories. >> by the way there's now a video game? based on the experiences you've been through and helping fight back. >> one of the things people don't realize is that when you're raising a trans child you need to have a safe folder that documents that your kids being well cared for, you never know when the state is gonna come knocking on your door. the video game tries to most people in that reality. >> we have a little surprise for adam, your mom, right? it is her birthday today. lulu and max. i'm getting up to. i want to show everybody, just how tall by the way max has gotten. five foot ten. i'm like 59, should we say happy birthday, oma? happy birthday oma! we love you guys so much. but where this family is so incredible, adam donating a kidney to a good friend of his.

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first meeting called by judge dearie, and then also this wider appeal in the 11th circle -- circuit sent by the department of justice. >> it's a good question. let's start with d.c., the special master that has been appointed, the two issues going. they're the first one, he's moving quickly, which made me surprise to some folks. he's asked for briefs from both sides about the agenda going forward. he's gonna have a preliminary meeting with the two sides on tuesday. no delay there. and then the second thing involving him is the appeal that was filed by the justice department for the original judge alien cannons really, basically what they're saying is that they don't think that there should be a special master in the first place, but they're not going to quibble with the special master going through 11,000 documents that are not classified. what they're asking for, in the appeal to the 11th circuit, is for the 11th circuit to issue a stay that would allow the justice department that were to continue to look through the

classified documents as part of an ongoing criminal investigation. they're saying there would be irreparable harm to the united states government, of course the u.s. public, if they're not able to determine what's in those documents and use them to continue that investigation. on the other hand they say there is no -- in part because he doesn't have any right to those classified documents in the first place. >> there is a focus also, obviously leading up to this last decision from judge cannon, about those 100 or so classified documents in which the department of justice wanted to continue having access to and working on with, in part, because of their investigation. i want to read for me a little bit out of the new york times on some of the reporting with us. the order -- the two sides to process the 100 or so documents with classification markings. but as the first step, judge cannon instructed the government to show those documents some of which had the extremely classified markings of top secret and sensitive compartmented information, to

mr. trump's counsel. so, i'm confused, jonathan, on this, as you have this works. they're gonna show, if they're able to get security clearance, these highly classified documents, these 100 or so highly classified documents to the former presidents counsel first and foremost? how does that work? how quickly could that process be in in at least getting the doj access to these documents that they want to continue the investigation? >> we see this real conundrum, right? if trump's team is able to present a legal argument for him it's difficult for them to do that without knowing what's in the documents. at the same time, but the government is saying, with the justice department saying is that he doesn't have a right to the documents, and the lawyers don't have a right to those documents. the classification is important. what you end up with here it is a determination by the special master that those lawyers are going to eventually get access to that classified information, 100 or so classified documents,

we'll have to see what the 11th circuit says with regards to the justice department's appeal of the. two different venues now with the special master moving forward to try to get access for trump's lawyers to those documents and the justice department fighting in the 11th circuit in atlanta to try to prevent that from going forward, we will see who wins that battle. but certainly something to keep an eye on, not only over the next 24 hours, but the next 40, eight 72 hours. >> for sure, jonathan allen, thank you, good to talk to you, thanks for sticking with us. >> some election deniers are saying the quiet part out loud. others are getting a little more sly. according to 5:38, republican candidate for colorado's seventh congressional district, eric i'd land, admitted to the republican club under 21st, to being strategic in how he talks about the 2020 election saying i don't always use this kind of language on the campaign trail

because i'm so deliberative what i say. the consequence of not winning aoc and efficient. i am strategic. i don't go out and talk about election integrity on and on and on because it's not an issue that wins as this race. >> joining me now is daniel loony, host of the podcast woke a f, and co-host of democracy-ish podcast. republican strategist and an msnbc political analyst. danielle, if you would, first, react for me to what i just read about this individual in colorado seventh congressional district? >> it seems that the word strategic is another word for lie. he carefully lies to the public about his thoughts with regard to the 2020 election, doesn't want people think that he is attached to the election lie and found that dom -- trump and republicans have been perpetuating for the last two years. he strategic, as he said,

thoughtful about how he uses his words, but the reality is is that he is lying. as is many of the republicans who are now deciding that they're no longer for abortion or at least according to the websites, but it is according to their votes that they are anti--- that they are antiabortion and pro life and pro ban and pro all of these things. they want to walk the fine line. they think the public isn't going to pay attention. they think they're not going to remember. they think very little of the republican voter which i wish republican voters understand. >> you're speaking of course have played masters who wiped his website of any anti abortion sentiment, although we certainly know where he stands on it. susan, i want to play for you a little bit of sound because it doesn't seem necessarily like this is just happening in colorado. gop new hampshire sounded hopeful -- retired general don bulldog, want to make sure i'm getting the name correct, on fox news, what he said, as to whether he

still believes the election was stolen. >> one of the things that matt mega -- will say is that you are an election denier. you denied that president biden won the 2020 election. do you stand by that today? e >> so, you know, we, a, you know, live and learn, right? i've done a lot of research on this. i've spent a couple of weeks talking to people all over the state, from every party, i've come to the conclusion, and i want to be definitive on this. the election was not stolen. >> when. susan? >> i think daniel use the perfect wording. he's lying. he's not telling the truth. it's funny the way he says that i went out and spoke to voters. obviously he realizes his

position as of 25 seconds ago was so extreme that people would not vote for him. so, he tries to make himself into someone that he's not. the thing he -- this was a brutal primary. he ran against an institutional republican if you will. had the backing of mitch mcconnell, did not believe the election was stolen. the airwaves were filled with really nasty stuff. this candidate basically said i am trump trump trump trump so i don't think this stuff is gonna play because people have a memory. you can just erase your website. you can't get away with it. it's not an etch a sketch moment. it does not go away. people remember. >> with that, you mentioned trump trump trump trump trump. i thought let's play a little

sound of him talking about what exactly will happen if he's indicted for the classified documents he took to mar-a-lago? >> i think, if it happened, i think you'd have problems in this country the likes of which perhaps we've never seen before. i don't think the people of the united states would stand for it. >> what kind of problems, mister president? i >> think they'd have big problems, big problems. i just don't think they'd stand for it. they will not. they will not sit still and stand for this ultimate of hoaxes. >> is that yet another way, daniela, but saying standby? stand-alone, standby, can't quite remember what he said, but we did see it, and in fact on january six, and there is multiple investigations currently ongoing when it comes to what took place that day. >> he has been, you're absolutely right. this is the 2022 version of stand back and stand by which he told the oath keepers. we know that the head of the oath keepers is under indictment for their

involvement in january six, for their strategy. built around having thousands of people come in and occupy our capital building. donald trump is the single greatest threat to our national security. greatest thrthis man, without bg indicted, is continuing to incite violence. this was essentially -- his tweet that said january sex is gonna be wild. right? he said that weeks leading up to the insurrection. is he again planning, in broad daylight, telling the public, we're coming for you. he knows that the walls are closing in. he knows that he has legal troubles that is not going to be able to slither his way out of. he's hoping once again that his supporters will come to his aid, violently so. >> susan, final word? i completely agree >> donald trump has shown what he can do with his words, with his tweets, with his messaging. we had january six. we did some amazing reporting

down there. you know firsthand how ugly it was. we will see it again. we are a country posed for civil, political violence. there's very little doubt. donald trump is encouraging it. >> danielle moodie, thank you, susan, thank you as well. good to talk to you ladies. coming up everybody, the queen's grandchildren holding a vigil around her coffin as the public cued to see her lying in state -- it continues to be low miles long. so long the british government is telling people not to travel to get in line. we are live in london after a very quick break. very quick break for the all-new subway series menu the new monster has juicy steak and crispy bacon. but what about the new boss? it looks so good it makes me hangry! settle down there, big guy the new subway series. what's your pick? moderate to severe eczema still disrupts my skin. despite treatment it disrupts my skin with itch. it disrupts my skin with rash.

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hasn't done since 2020. he had a tenure career in the army, and in two terms in afghanistan. lindsey talk us through some of the events we saw earlier today, an incredibly somber, reflective moment as we saw both prince william and harry standing, surrounding their grandmothers coffin. >> such a powerful moment, yasmin, it felt like you could hear a pin drop in that room. her majesty's eight grandchildren watching, standing vigil over her coffin at westminster hall. you can see them walking in now, walking in -- down the steps earlier today. sudden daughter from princess and, and son and daughter, son only 14 from prince edward and harry and william reunited again. one at the foot, when at the head of the coffin. it is a somber tradition, here. this vigil of princes. part of this pageantry and perceptions that many people here in britain are completely

foreign to. they haven't seen this, obviously, in 70 years. learning about the processes, seen this public moment of reflection and warning. we saw earlier in the day, the king and the prince of wales do a walk about, that's where people are waiting for hours in the cold in the dark overnight in some cases just for a chance to bow or curtsy to her majesty there, lying in state. it's important for people to see the royals and see that they're part of this, leading the nation in mourning. outside of buckingham palace talking to people who are queuing here as well just for a chance to be here, be part of history, even catch a glimpse of the king. let's listen to whet when mother told me. >> i'm not a huge royalist, but they have been out, they have been doing their part, i think there are huge part of this country, obviously. and the role they play, it is very important.

they have, obviously, some hard times for them as a family. but this is their duty. and they've done a really good job. >> that is the sentiment that i'm hearing from so many people out here. the sense of duty, the sense of unity, really. anecdotally, out here, it is a somber mood. but every now and then there might be a golf cart or a police officer, and the crowd will cheer for them just to lighten the root -- mood there all together in unison. we still have more events, tomorrow the king is going to be holding a reception for world leaders. we know president biden will be there, he'll be meeting with the newly appointed prime minister, lustrous. and then her majesty's state funeral on monday. there will be a procession following her majesty's coffin to westminster abby. we'll see the royal family again, king charles, and prince harry and william. the state funeral is supposed to be an hour and then there will be a procession from westminster abbey to windsor for her committal surface at

center just chapel there. and also, yasmin, this enormous security undertaking. this is the largest single policing event in the history of london. bigger than the olympics, bigger than the platinum jubilee, which of course was huge in their own right. around town you see barriers, 22 miles of crowd barriers. there are checkpoints throughout, limiting the points of entry. we have police and security as well. they are watching not only for any kind of threat but just to keep everybody safe for all of these events for the next few days, yasmin. >> all right lindsey, thank you. after the break everybody, some of the other top stories that we're following including a hurricane warning for puerto rico as tropical storm fiona intensifies on its way towards the island. we'll be right back. 'll be right back. dwich roster ever assembled. tony, the new outlaw's got double pepper jack and juicy steak. let's get some more analysis on that, chuck. mmm. pepper jack. tender steak. very insightful, guys. the new subway series. what's your pick?

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irrational reaction to things is what causes terrible tragedy. people of the city of the city of new york, should act differently, we should act tolerably, we show these people they can't stop us. >> in the wake of the terror attacks, then new york city's mayor became americas mayor, guiding the city in the recovery and rebuilding.

in july 2016 he gave an enthusiastic speech in support of donald trump at the republican national convention. he went on to become the presidents attorney. four years later it all ended up here, with giuliani holding a surreal news conference outside of four seasons landscaping, repeating conspiracy theories about the 2022 election. the law and order mayor has now been disbarred in new york, and is the subject of a white ranging investigation. my next guest was a longtime reporter -- it's also the author of this book giuliani, the rise and fall of america's mayor. >> i have to say, i got this book in the mail and was very excited to dig in, having been in new york often on, and being there for 9/11, and having giuliani as my mayor as well. as you are so close to seeing his ryan and documented it,

could you imagine it ending up where it has now? >> no one at all. i was there in that room when giuliani made those comments. it was an extraordinary moment. you could never imagine him becoming the tragic figure that he has become today. i think that moment is really the tip off to what happened, 9/11 was as he recently said, the worst moment of his life, and the greatest moment of his life. giuliani took a lot of heat for the insensitivity of that remark. but he was telling the truth. 9/11 was the best day of his life. until he decided to exploited. and the seeds of his failure, of his destruction, happened because of his desire to capitalize on 9/11. it led to a litany of terrible decisions, all made in his own

best interest, kept by his decision to endorse donald trump in 2016. a man who, giuliani felt was a, quote unquote, carnival -- but he did it to regain the relevance that he last when he ran for president, trying to capitalize on his 9/11 fame, the 2008 presidential campaign resulted in just one delegate, total humiliation, and donald trump was his ticket back to power. and, you know, with very catastrophic results. >> you know, you describe the moment that he just talked about a couple of days ago before the anniversary of 9/11. even some of the words that you're using, capitalizing on 9/11, imagine that? capitalizing on 9/11. the loss of thousands of lies, the tragedy this whole world watch happened in a city of close -- up close and personal. what he said before the anniversary.

i want to play for folks, so they can hear, it and then i want to read a part of your book describing how it is we got where we are with giuliani. let's listen. >> i guess the best way to describe it is it was the worst day of my life and in some ways, the greatest day of my life. so that was the moment in which you just talked about >> i also wanna read for folks this. this is from your book. when he left the mayoral tea, i believe that's how you pronounce it, he lost his grip on the zealous mission that had driven him his entire career, which was to wield power and impose his view of right and wrong on others. can you talk more about that, the losing of the grip, and what it is that drove him? >> sure. well giuliani was motivated by this sense of zeal. he saw himself as a man of destiny. a lot of other people did as well.

he was arguably the most famous prosecutor of the 19 80s, the most famous mayor of the 1990s, and after 9/11, he was more popular than the pope, according to polls. he saw himself as a person who had the corner on morality. he was a person who was led by a moral calling, as he saw it. and who did enormously emerald things in the name of morality. it's an extremely complex person you're talking about. who reached epic highs and epic lows. and for a rider it doesn't get more interesting than that. >> he started the book off with this. it's a question to the former new york city mayor about his legacy. he says to you, i don't care about my legacy. he told me. i'll be dead.

do you believe that? >> i do believe that. i do believe that. that goes back to that moral certitude that he's always had which is that he's right, everyone is wrong. even now when he's become really a fanatic on behalf of donald trump's claim that the 2020 race election was stolen, he still feels it in his bones. i think that he doesn't care if other people think that he's become a fool. i don't use that term lightly. that has become a problem for him, after the four seasons press conference, after the borat film, but he doesn't care. because he feels that he's right, and everyone else is wrong. that's kind of a key to what went wrong for rudy giuliani. >> just a standing to have some of those images from him from 9/11, and remembering what took place since then with his time.

andrew chrisman author of giuliani the rise and tragic fall of america's mayor. thank you, appreciated. >> sure, thank you. they're wraps it up for this hour everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian in the chair tomorrow. simone starts right now good afternoon. i'm katie fang in for symone coming up this hour, the judge departments appeal over the documents seized at mar-a-lago. the doc is saying that investigators had denied immediate access to classified. documents plus, the special master's first moves with the trump team and justice officials have to face off in person within days. and, more busloads of migrants arriving today in so-called sanctuary cities. how some republican governors are using people as pawns to make a political point. we will get into t