giuliani the rise and tragic fall of america's mayor. thank you, appreciated. >> sure, thank you. they're wraps it up for this hour everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian in the chair tomorrow. simone starts right now good afternoon. i'm katie fang in for symone coming up this hour, the judge departments appeal over the documents seized at mar-a-lago. the doc is saying that investigators had denied immediate access to classified. documents plus, the special master's first moves with the trump team and justice officials have to face off in person within days. and, more busloads of migrants arriving today in so-called sanctuary cities. how some republican governors are using people as pawns to make a political point. we will get into the impact of

that, as well as the real needs surrounding the issue of immigration, and how to address. that then, the rollback of more women's rights in more multiple states. how abortion advocates are responding to new demand new bans now in effect. and why senator lindsey graham's national abortion ban proposal might be about more than what meets the eye. you are watching simone, and we have got a lot to get to. lots of developments in the litigation between donald trump in the department of justice. all surrounding the documents seized by the fbi from mar-a-lago last month. the doj failed to convince trump appointed to district court judge a lean cannon at a court appointed special master not only wasn't necessary to review the seized material, but

it could be even harmful to national security. cannon appointed a former chief federal judge, raymond thierry, to pour over the thousands of documents, including classified ones in order to weed out any potentially privileged information. judge jerry was the only candidate deemed successful by both the department of justice and former president donald trump. in his first act as special master, he summoned both parties to the brooklyn to federal courthouse for a preliminary conference on tuesday. now while both sides are getting ready for that meeting, the justice department is also dealing with another issue from judge cannon's order. delaying its ability to use any of these materials, for investigative purposes until after teary makes his determinations. the justice department filed a motion for partial state relief last night. arguing in a nearly 30 page filing, quote, the district court has entered an unprecedented order in joining the executive branch's use of its own highly classified

records in a criminal investigation with direct implications for national security. here to discuss this and other news on our legal front is katy better, justice department reporter for the new york times and msnbc contributor. and legal analyst and attorney monique pressley, also the host of naked makes sense. welcome to you katie, and phony. katie, my friend. let's start with you. let's start with this appeal, that filing happening late last night. what is the essential argument that the doj is making, and what does your anticipation in terms of what the appeals court to might be expected to do, seeing how the idea of the rule of law may be something that challenge a land cannon has -- a little bit? i >> found this argument so interesting because essentially this justice department is arguing that the executive branch of, the executive branch has power over its own documents and over its own determination, whether not something it's classified. and this is something that republicans have long historically argued. they have argued for a strong

executive, they've argued for executive theory. that within the executive branch, the current president has power to make a broad array of determinations. and so, to see island can and basically write a judgment, an order that undermines that, is fascinating. because when you look at the potential for an appeal, you are appealing to, you know, higher and higher level republican judges who have often espoused this idea of a strong executive. so it is unclear what will happen. but the justice department is saying, listen, this is the executive branch. under this current president, his powers cannot be split between the current administration and the previous administration. >> you know, monika, also in her ruling judge cannon expressing skepticism of the doj's assange assertion that around 100 classified documents were seized in that august search. but we already know that documents with classified markings were retrieved from mar-a-lago multiple times prior

to the execution of that search warrant. in your legal opinion, was judge cannot being unreasonable, here, and suggesting that the doj isn't being forthright with its representations? >> listen, as i said last, week maybe judge strikes again. we are seeing what happens when inexperienced and seemingly partisan young lawyers take the bench. and the federal bench, no less. so to me it is unreasonable. it is a stress, it is offensive to assume that the government is basically lying. it's submitting documents and filings to the court, making fraudulent representations about confidentiality, about top secret nature, about the need for the documents. now there has been some leakage and there has been some evidence that some of the voters may have been empty. but to me that is more reason for the government to have access to these documents not

last. because where the documents used to be the folders? and certainly when you are dealing with something that is marked human, or human intelligence, it is necessary in every and friends to go to the government, not against. >> you know, katie people are concerned that we have the special master raymond erie. what do we know about judge dearie and what the next steps will be in this process? >> we know that judge jerry is extremely well purse respected on both sides of the aisle. he had a very long and again, respected career. he worked on the fisa court so he is familiar with sensitive materials. he's familiar with classified information. and he said that he was trusted. we also know that he is very meticulous and he moves slowly. eileen cannon has given him until the end of the -- to prove his work. so we also know that his work is completed by the end of november, is going to push back the pace of the justice's investigation significantly. they really can't move forward until a determination is made about materials. and if that does not happen

until the end of november. on top of the month of investigative work, they still had to do on top of the fact that we still have a determined whether or not all the classified and government documents have been retrieved from mar-a-lago. this is not a case that is moving very fast and it is going to be made even so whereby the special master. >> monique, there's also new reporting in the washington post citing people familiar with conversations between temps trump's team in the national archives details a call between a national archives lawyer and white house counsel pat philbin about the documents trump's team took to mar-a-lago. filament said he was told by trump's former chief of staff mark meadows that the materials were just a dozen boxes of quote, news clippings. not sensitive or classified material. we know that that was not the case. nbc news has not independently bear bear fight disinformation, but monika, how could this play into the potential obstruction the doj asserts is a part of its criminal investigation? >> it is going to depend on

whether anyone is that these things actually knew what they were talking about our had burst hand knowledge. it is starting to sound more like a game of telephone. it is sounding like if we were in court, hearsay within hearsay. it is sounding like people absence knowledge just making statements. mark meadows has released a statement from what one of the spokespeople saying that he never have actually seen the documents and didn't supervise their chance for the white house. to mar-a-lago. but he still manages to say, oh, yes there's nothing but strawberries and bananas in the boxes. it is absurd. so then we have a lawyer, mr. philbin, taking what mark meadows said with no knowledge and giving that to the national archives. all of it is gone from the absurd to the ridiculous and it is a shame, frankly, that we are dealing with this at the top echelons of our government. so, without anyone actually claiming knowledge or something that they should have known what was in the documents at the time that they made a statement, i don't think that this amendment itself, this

part of the, story moves the ball at all. >> i am so still holding out that i think mark meadows is cooperating with the doj. but that is just my two cents to all of this. katie better, monique, thank you to both of you for being here today. i appreciate it. and still to come, more migrants are being sent to cities across the united states. including another bus load that arrived just this morning beside the vice president residents in washington d.c.. what we are learning about these republican theatrical, and the chaos that it is creating for migrant families. but first, my colleague gigi stone with today's other top news stories. gigi? >> thanks, kate. here is some of the stories that we are watching this hour. queen elizabeth's eight grandchildren stood guard beside her casket in westminster hall, today. brothers william and harry were among. them both dressed in uniform. earlier, king charles iii and prince william surprised mourners waiting in line to see that queen line in state. people are waiting up to 16 hours to pay their respects.

government is now urging people not to travel to join that long line. puerto rico is bracing for a hurricane as tropical storm fiona approaches. it is expected to dump as much as a foot of rain on the l.a. tonight. that could result in severe flooding and landslides. meanwhile, fiona is expected to cross over the dominican republic on monday. >> finally, today and celebration of constitution weekend citizenship day, u.s. edition ship and immigration services and the national park service, welcome 200 citizens to the u.s.. making it from 57 different countries. u.s. attorney general merrick garland administers the oath of allegiance and offered some remarks. i'm gigi stone, these are the headlines. we will have some more symone after the break. stay with us. after the break. stay with us stay with us the most epic sandwich roster ever created. ♪♪ it's subway's biggest refresh yet! ♪♪ it's beautiful out here.

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escalating migrant crisis in this country. republican governors on the southern border from texas, florida, and arizona, are playing a terrible political game. using desperate human beings as pawns. just today, a new group of migrants was dropped off on the street in front of vice president kamala harris's residence in washington d.c.. it is the second time this has happened just this week. four new buses of migrants also arrived in new york city today. mayor eric adams says, the city shelters are at their breaking point. and earlier in the week, two planes filled with venezuelan migrants unexpectedly flew to martha's vineyard in

massachusetts. florida governor and probable gop presidential candidate ron desantis, proudly taking credit for that. >> we are not a sanctuary state, and it is better to go to a sanctuary jurisdiction. and yes, we will help facilitate that transport for you. >> by the latest count, the city of chicago has received around 606 migrants from the texas border. about 100 of them just this week. at least 11,000 a file i'm seekers have arrived in new york city since may. most of them from texas. and texas governor, greg abbott, says his state has also sent more than 7000 migrants by bus to washington d.c. since april. let's go to nbc's gary grumble back, live in washington d.c.. gary, you are there this morning without bus arrived in front of kamala harris's home. what is going on, now? tell us what happened this morning? >> hey there, katie. just before 7 am we saw one

single charge or bust roll up in front of the naval observatory here with a vice president lives, and off came more than 50 migrants. wet men, women, children, even newborns on this bus. we are told there from nicaragua and venezuela. and the bus came from eagle pass texas. we are told that 30 plus just our trip, all they had to it was f our e. the volunteers were here on the scene as they arrived, and they helped to take them to a local church where they were able to get the medical services, legal services, and a plan for what comes next. i spoke to the venezuelan ambassador to the u.s. earlier this morning. here is what he had to say about why they come to the u.s. in the first place. >> they are not here because they want to be. they are being forced to leave that is way left for political reasons. for the crisis being facing side of venezuela. from the dictatorship. that is why they came to the united states, so what i am asking is to just support them.

and of course, the united states has been very helpful to us and what i want is that we just treat them in a decent manner. >> the texas governor's office tells me that buses will continue to leave texas every single day headed towards chicago, new york, and washington d.c., until the biden administration changes its immigration policies. katie? >> jerry, just talked about the fact that these people had to be on this bus for a 30 plus hour trip. was there any heads up or notice provided to any organizations that were there to be able to receive them when they arrived this morning? >> there were about 30 volunteers here suggesting that they got some sort of heads up. but i think is important to know that, washington d.c. is a place that has done this before. in fact, migrants have been coming by lessons april. so they have the services provided. they have all the migrant services that up here in the

city. so it has become a well oiled machine here in d.c.. as much as mayor -- doesn't want to happen. >> katie? >> nbc's gary graham, bakari thank you for the latest there. right now i would like to bring a massachusetts state representative dylan fern and us and crush or more from mendez. the ceo of lutheran immigration and former policy director for michelle obama. representative fernandez, i would like to start with you please. the migrants who are phone to martha's vineyard after being first cared for by composite and local residents who had no idea that they were coming, but rallied to their aid anyway. they are now being temporarily housed at cape cod. they went there voluntarily. massachusetts is also able to get the national guard to help, but how are these asylum seekers doing to the best of you have been a price lately, and what is the state doing to help to take care of their needs? >> yeah, so, the island community at martha's vineyard jumped into action. there was no notice given to us whatsoever that these immigrant

families work humming. but as soon as they came here, and we realized, it we jumped into action to give them the support they needed. it was only a temporary solution where we did at st. andrew's church on the vineyard, because it is a place not equipped for 48. people it is a place with only two bathrooms. but we gave them everything that they needed in terms of food, clothes, water, shelter, legal services, health care, and other types of medical help. but ultimately, we need a longer term solution. so we worked with the state, bipartisan ship with the republican governor, to come up with a longer term solution. and at this location on cape cod which has much larger facilities. rooms for families, rooms for the children and which stood out not only legal services there to help with these claims, but also counseling, support, and other types of health care

for the families there. >> representative, i want to take the opportunity because you are there and you have been dealing with it since it occurred. let's be very clear, the residents of martha's vineyard, they didn't kick these migrants out to go to join base cape cod. there is a gop rhetoric that is floating around out there, not only the median on social media, about the idea that the residents of martha's vineyard didn't want to deal with them anymore. so to be, clear they went voluntarily and it is because they needed to have a greater platform of assistance than what the village could provide. is that right? >> yeah, of course, this was entirely a voluntary move. we welcomed them with open arms as soon as we heard they were here. and very quickly established a place for them to stay. and the entire community came out to support them and to support their every need. ultimately, we needed much to a longer term solution to make them more comfortable.

to give them the space that they deserved, to treat them with humanity and dignity that every personally deserves to be treated with. and we are a state that isn't about political stunts. we are a state that is about coming up with solutions to help people and said that is what we have done here. we have stood up a facility with much more space, with much more access to showers. hygienics opportunities. we brought in caseworkers to help people with long term housing. we brought in caseworkers to help find a place for educational opportunities for the children. we brought in, not just health care, about mental health and child psychologist to help the children through the trauma that they have been through. and i know that several people today and yesterday, we have been helping get dental services provided. so, look, this is what real leadership looks like.

this is a state that leads with compassion. when governor desantis sent people here, he wanted to create chaos. well, these immigrants will not met with chaos. they were met with love, welcoming, and support from this community. >> massachusetts state representative, dylan fernandez, thank you so much for giving us the latest on what is happening up there. chris, let's bring you in now. thank you so much for waiting. look, more migrants have been dumped on the street now in front of vice president kamala harris is home for more buses rolled into new york city today. more are expected to arrive. the governors say that they are sending a message. what can be done to help the people that are currently being used as political pawns? >> i think it is important to understand what messages the governors are sending. because what they are really trying to create is chaos and a crisis where it doesn't exist. and if you take a step back, in the grand scheme of things, the number of arrivals is manageable if governments in civil society work together.

we, for example, be elena eller i asked has services in texas, new mexico, and arizona. these are not being overrun by asylum seekers. and so i think that is where it is important understand that what these governors are doing, the message that they're trying to convey, they are trying to take the children and families away from where there is infrastructure. and with a purposeful lack of coordination, send them to places where they hope there is no infrastructure and local communities will get overwhelmed. >> you, know one of the reasons chris that's the governors that everyone has been spoken focusing, on one of the reasons that they are giving to send these migrants other places in the country as they are claiming that there is a high price that states are playing to take care of these individuals. but florida governor candidate charlie crist tweeted, ron desantis won't answer questions so we looked ourselves. floridians paid $616, 000, at $12,300 for each refugee there was trapped for his own political purposes. this does information like this

help change the narrative at all? >> i think it does, because i do think that when we look at facts and compare it to the fiction that is coming out of some of these governors mouth, we realize that much of the social services that these families received really are just to get them set up in those first few days are first two weeks as they wait for their legal asylum claims to play out in the courts. and that is really where organizations like irs do. we privately fund-raise, we find resources, we work with community based groups. and the reality is that this is just a waste of taxpayer dollars. these are migrants who were even in the state of florida. >> chris, very quickly. oh, i actually just ran out of time which makes me very sad. but i would love to have you back. so chris oh not our, neera -- i thanks for being. here i appreciate. it states still to come, states across the country are posing their own restrictions on abortion. that has been the trend ever

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fight for westfir reproductive rights in america. in west virginia, governor justice signs a bill into law that bans nearly all abortions. and indiana's near total ban on abortions went into effect friday despite lawsuits and protests. meanwhile, just as republican strategist seem to agree on the, leave the decision to the states approach, south carolina senator lindsey graham introduced a federal abortion ban. >> i think we should have a law at the federal level that would say, after 15 weeks, no abortion on demand. except in cases of rape, incest,

to save the life of the mother and that should be where america is at. >> i am joined now by jenny black, the president and ceo of planned parenthood votes. south atlantic. jenny, so good to see you. thanks for being here. let's start a conversation west virginia. the state passed an abortion ban with narrow exceptions. and a mandate that any pregnancy termination be reported to law enforcement. and this is the part that gets me, 48 hours in advance of that happening? on friday morning, jim justice tweeted, i said from the beginning that is west virginia legislators brought me a bill that it protected life and included reasonable and logical exceptions i would sign, it and that's what i did. to which planned parenthood itself atlantic responded, this abortion ban will be doubly for the people of our state, just as the pandemic has been, and for governor justice to callously announce the news like this is cowardly and despicable. jenny, tell us about west virginia's ban and the fight to be able to stop it? >> thanks for having me.

katie, glad to be able to talk about this and shine light on what is happening in west virginia. as you, said west virginia has now banned abortion in almost all cases. state lawmakers, and the governor schemed behind closed doors shamefully denying the will and the political participation of their constituents. because they know that their extreme agenda is not what west virginians want in their state. they created some very limited exceptions to this bill that, quite frankly, are so narrow and quite tightly restricted that it will be extremely difficult if not downright impossible for people in the most vulnerable situations, including minors, and survivors of sexual assault, to get that care that they need and deserve. the vast majority of people in west virginia are going to be forced out of state for abortion care. >> jenny, indiana as well, the first state to pass a new

abortion ban since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade in the dobbs decision. that ban took a sect friday, shuddering clinics across the state. the aclu and planned parenthood are both challenging that ban, and there is a hearing on tuesday. what would you like to see happen at the hearing? >> look, this patchwork of abortion laws is creating chaotic and confusing times for both patients and providers alike. but, this is what happens when we allow politicians to make these decisions for us. it is a mess we are all doing our best here to keep up with the rapid changes to access, and make the best decisions for our patients. but let me be clear, top doctor should not ever have to consult their local politician when creating a treatment plan for their patients. nor should you have to consult your local politician when deciding whether or when to expand your family. we say that these laws are

changing by the minute, that is not hyperbole. >> and you just kind of underscore your point, ohio it did get a 14-day stay on the abortion ban in that state. the fact that there was this health care freedom concept with in the constitution of the ohio state constitution, is that encouraging at all to reproductive rights advocates and other states? as they proceed in their own legal battles? >> well, sure. i mean we will never stop fighting for our patients ability to exercise their own agency about their pregnancies. and so, any path forward to protecting that reproductive freedom for them is something that is worth exploring so, i just have to make the point that this election season, reproductive freedom is on the ballot at all levels of government. abortion access is hanging by a thread and we know that if

antiabortion politicians regain that majority, they will pass an abortion ban in the united states of america. do you not lose sight of what their number one goal is here. >> and, jenny, in november obviously as you say, reproductive freedom is going to be on the ballot in every state. it is a critical voting issue. we heard at the beginning with, you senator lindsey graham introducing legislation called for a 15-week federal ban. his legislation does include some exceptions that some states do not have. what is your thought about why he is making this particular proposal at this time? >> look, i mean, it is hard to know what to believe coming out of senator graham's mouth. it was just a few weeks ago he said this issue should be decided by the states. and now he is coming out with this 15-week ban with the is odd and narrow exceptions carved out. and, again i feel like the next

time he opens his wipe his mouth we will talk about a 16-week ban, or a zero-week ban. we cannot lose sight of the fact that these antiabortion extremists are going to ban abortion in this country if given the opportunity. and that is really what i want to underscore, here. that legal restrictions on abortion care are harmful. . they have punitive affects on the people affected by them in and we can't lose sight of the fact that this is their real goal, here. to ban abortion in america. >> jennie black, thank you so much for bringing your insight. listen, you are right there is a patchwork of laws, a patrick bands that is going on we need to be vigilant to pay attention and make sure that we vote. i appreciate you taking the time to be with us. >> and, coming up. former president trump is warning the country, what could happen if he is indicted in one of the many investigations of his actions in and out of office. our political panel will weigh in on that, and much more.

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panel to talk about how migrants are being used as political pawns, and about what donald trump says would happen if he is indicted. let's pick up first with senator leniency graham's dizzying abortion policy reversal since the supreme court decided to throw at women's bodily autonomy to the mercy of state governments. democrats are more mobilized it than ever around voting in november. and there's also the polling that consistently shows that the vast majority of american support access to safe and legal abortions. so why own earth is senator graham proposing a federal appeals abortion benefit to? according to cnbc, grants publican allies are asking that

question. so, is it a miscalculation on his part, or is there an actual strategy here? with me now, is democratic strategist and editor in large of the board charlie sykes an msnbc contributor. gentlemen, thank you for being here. as always it is a pleasure to be with. you challenges are with you. lindsey graham, he has been a senator for nearly two decades as we painfully now. so he is certainly not naive about public sentiment on abortion. what is your thought as to why he has, maybe a motive here that might be smart, maybe not so smart. with this federal ban? >> well there is a strategy behind it, but it is also a cell phone and a fumble. i think what he is thinking was that republicans are being hammered, and are losing this debate because in state after state, ivs as you've just been disgusting, republican legislators have been an acting really extreme bans complete bands, absolute bands, six-week ban. spans without any sort of exceptions. and that is really put republicans on the defensive.

so, i think that what graham was thinking he was doing was to come up with a moderate alternative. 15-week ban, with exceptions for rape and incest and the life of the mother. that was his thinking. that he could shift the debate to a more moderate approach. in his mind, but what he has done in effect of, was to underline the fact that as your guests have described, if republicans get control of congress, they will pass a national abortion ban that will affect all 50 states. and, will leave in place all of these extreme bans at the state level. so, his thinking was that he was going to help republicans. i think you can see from the reaction of his fellow republicans, he's pretty much out there on a limb by himself. >> you know, basil, this bill from graham, it is forcing republican candidates in crucial swing states and crucial senate races to weigh in on the subject which you and i both know they have been

trying to avoid. courtesy of the sheer number of people that are registered to vote in november. so, it's trying to force these candidates to say where they would stand on a national portion ban. basil, do you think that this could backfire on lindsey graham and actually become the gift to democrats in the upcoming midterms? >> well, certainly i think it is possible. your earlier guest i think is absolutely right. this is on the ballot in every state and at every level of government. republicans were putting themselves on the back when this supreme court decision came down. but i think that they did miss calculate how mobilized, not only democrats would be around this issue, but potentially suburban voters. that they largely rely on. and so, i think that there is a slight miscalculation there. but the one thing, and you see that the republican candidates across the country not so much focused on reproductive rights but they are talking more about things like a quality of life,

inflation, gas prices. they sort of started to focus a bit more on that now. but i would say that democrats do not underestimate republicans interest in playing the long game, here. because you better believe that, despite whatever lindsey graham is doing now, they are going to be looking at this election down to the election district to figure out where this issue resonates, where it doesn't, and preparing for 2024. so, democrats have to stay vigilant on this issue. >> you know, charlie, let's just hear a little bit. let's turn to how the public republican government have been sending migrants to cities whose policies they disagree with. so much of a republican political strategy has come to center around this idea of quote, owning the lives. but, these are human beings. they are fleeing countries for their lives. they are being exploited for political points. is there any universe that you could see where republican voters could actually see through what is happening? >> well, unfortunately this plays very well with the

republican base because he isn't owning the libs stunt. look, there is a legitimate debate we can have about the border. there's a legitimate debate about what resources we should use and who should share in supporting the migrants. but, as you point out, what ron desantis and greg abbott are doing is they are using actual human beings including children as pawns. and they are lying to them about it. i also think it is very important to point out that, particularly in the case of the venezuelan mark migrants who were sent to martha's vineyard, my understanding is, these are not illegal immigrants. these are legal asylum seekers. they are not in this country illegally. they have the papers, they have dealt with the federal government. their cases are pending. so, there is a conflation of people who crossed the border illegally, and the asylum seekers. but in any case, it is this deeply cynical use of human

beings to make a political point. but i have to tell you, conservative media loves this. most republicans really like this because they think it is exposing hypocrisy, that it is sticking it to the lips. so at least at this point, i think it works for ron desantis says who sees this kind of a stunned as the way to get the 2024 republican nomination. how it plays with the general elect to read, totally different question. >> and you know, basil, it is a day and wise, so we know donald trump is complaining about efforts to hold him accountable for what he has done. the former president had to say that's when he was asked by republican radio host, she shoe it, what would happen if he was indicted. let's take a listen. >> i think if it happens, i think you would have problems in this country, the likes of which perhaps we've never seen before. i don't think the people of the united states would stand for it. >> what kind of problems, mister president? >> i think they have big

problems. big problems. i just don't think they would stand for it. they will not sit still, and stand for this ultimate hoaxes. >> basil, we have heard similar language from trump before and it culminated in a violent attack on the united states capitol on january 6th. where do you see this ending up? >> well, i tell, you when i talk to a lot of my friends, a lot of voters, they are very concerned. they think that there is going to be a much larger violent clash. i am hoping that senior mines will prevail, but there is no question that this language is meant to incite violence. it is meant to incite chaos and, my mentor in politics will be early on, you can't defend the indefensible. and i do hope that there are republicans out there who are looking at this and saying, and hearing what donald trump is saying, and telling themselves, and saying to voters, that we, this is not the path we can go

down. and there are some republicans that are trying to distance themselves. my overall fear is that there are so many folks that are attached to trumpism, that have benefited from trumpism. that it is going to be a long time before they essentially get routed out of our processes and of public service. so, in the meantime, it is a dangerous situation because it is meant to incite violence. and you can't prosecute trump enough, or trumpism enough when we are talking about trying to excise this mindset of our public discourse. >> and it is also that was gonna say just one point, it is not just incitement it is also intended to be a threat. it is intended to intimidate, which is what the doj should not be doing. >> that's right. >> that's right. basil's michael and charlie sykes, thank you both for your insight ever being here this afternoon. i appreciate it. and up next, we are awaiting

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see you. can you tell our viewers what are the presidents plan while he's going to be in london? >> president biden and first lady joe biden are going to have a very busy few days as they pay respects to queen elizabeth. they of course left the white house early today, and are now on route to london. their schedules had landed in the next hour or so the vip an hour which will be about 10 pm local time. on sunday they will start their activities honoring the life of the queen. they are expected to pay their respects at the queens coffin on sunday as well as signed a condolence book. then they're expected to attend a reception at buckingham palace hosted by king charles. they are also then supposed to, on monday, attended state funeral at westminster abby that will be held for queen elizabeth along with a number of their heads of state. so this is of course an official visit. the president and first lady will be going there to represent the united states. but queen elizabeth had tea with joe biden and joe biden and they ate together is a

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