people at my's vineyard. i know you had state representative fernandes on earlier. bravo, that is humanity, that is being a good neighbor, and we need to be better people. and that is why i hope that folks will go to charlie chris .com and help us when florida. >> let me ask you really quickly about education. i know you have a background on education, but i gotta ask you about your thoughts on what is happening in florida on your states go don't say gay law, as the school year starts. you have plaintiffs that are still charging, challenging the statute. they're saying it's being interpreted as a blanket ban on all references to lgbtq people in school settings. what is your take on how this is playing out? >> you know, ron desantis is a bully. and he is going around, you know, really, just, fearmongering folks. and so, this is what happened in a school board. our school board that has year after year passed resolutions, acknowledging the fact that it's lgbtq history month. this year, all of a sudden, it

failed. it felt because he sensed maga extremist groups to school boards all across the state of florida, to bring hate, to scream, to yell at our board members, to try to infiltrate and put these weird indoctrination, ideologies, into our school board system, because he is scared, he is scared of differences, of being inclusive, of being tolerant, of showing people empathy. and he is the wrong leader. he is not appropriate for the state, or for any place in, you know, in my mind, my opinion. and people have to be able to see that, these wargames, these mind games where that he is playing, where he's trying to, you know, psychologically create fear in communities, it's not okay. and that we are better than that, and that's why, you know, people have to be really informed about who they are voting for in november. >> we'll see how that plays out. karla hernandez, you lieutenant governor candidate for the great state of florida, thank

you so much this evening. i greatly appreciate your time. >> pleasure being here. >> coming up on the second hour of ayman. republicans are lying about abortion, again, are you surprised? the latest fraudster, senator lindsey graham. plus, the general six committee planning to hold at least one more public hearing before the midterms. what we know about the state of the panels investigation? and amtrak joins a big week while republicans distract from the real issues, president biden wraps up more wins for the american people. i am ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i want to take you back to june 2022. the supreme court had just overturned roe v. wade, striking down the constitutional right to an abortion in this country. the decision immediately left millions of americans without access to reproductive rights, or reproductive care. and in states where that care

was protected, millions more wondered if it was just a matter of time until a federal ban would go into effect. some republicans, fearing an electoral disaster in the coming months for quick throw cold water on that theory, claiming the court's decision with simply send the issue back to the states. effectively, these gop lawmakers said and national ban on abortion, that would never happen. it was republican senator lindsey graham of south carolina, just last month. >> that being consistent. i think the states should decide the issues of marriage, and states should decide the issue of abortion. i have respect for south carolina. south carolina voters here are trusted to find their agent to deal with the issue of abortion. >> well, that respect, for the state of south carolina, appears to be short lived. here is lindsey graham on tuesday unveiling a new bill. >> i think we should have a law at the federal level, that would say, after 15 weeks, no

abortion on demand. >> now, blatant, blaming hypocrisy aside, even other publicans realize that his proposal is not good politics. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell who is facing an uphill battle to gain control of the chamber, in november, told reporters, quote, most of the members of my conference prepare that this be dealt with at the state level. this isn't a shock. this public opinion is not on graham's side, especially in battleground states like pennsylvania. that's where republican senate candidate mitch oz is being blasted by his democratic opponent, john fetterman, for refusing to say whether he'd vote yes on graham's bill. fetterman has even dedicated an entire section of his website to what he calls, oz watch, where he counts the days, minutes, and seconds it is taking us to complain about his stance on the proposal. mitch mcconnell is a master politician. he knows not to endorse a federal abortion ban, just weeks before the midterm. but it is telling that many other republicans are willing

to make that endorsement, including georgia gop senate candidates, herschel walker. and in the house, republicans just introduced even more legislation to restrict abortion, nationwide. bringing florida bill, that could undo biden administration guidance, and allow pharmacists the power to refuse to provide abortion inducing drugs. the states rights line of defense, we heard so much about, well, it was a lie. it was nothing but a lie. and those who claim otherwise are most likely doing so, just to save their electoral prospects come november. as congresswoman kim primala jayapal put it, overturning roe was ever about giving power back to state, it was about controlling our bodies and our personal autonomy. let's bring in georgia democratic state senator jen jordan. she is the democratic nominee for attorney general of georgia, and monica simpson, executive director of a reproductive justice collective. she was part of a group of activists who met with vice president harris at the white house earlier this week. thank you so much for joining

us. state senator, jen, jordan, i'd like to start with, you excuse me. let's be clear about what i at least think what graham's proposed federal law would do. right now, your own state of georgia has a six-week ban on abortion, which would be allowed to stay in place. but a restrictive states abortion access would be absolutely curtailed, what kind of legal battles could arise if graham's bill actually became law? >> yeah, and i think that there needs to be clarification, because i've heard pundits talk about greene's bill, as if it just creates a 15-week ban, right? some people in georgia were saying, well, that's good for us, right? but what they don't understand is that 15 weeks across the board, unless the state has a more restrictive bill, and that's the one that goes into place. i mean, let's be clear, in terms of lindsey graham, and republicans, period, they want states to control the decisions about abortion, if they control

the states, right? and so, you know, i am not sure exactly what is gonna happen. but i think that lindsey graham really let the cat out of the back, in terms of what is the real intention here, with these republicans nationwide after dobbs. >> monica, some republicans have described a 15-week ban as a moderate alternative to other restrictions, as we just heard there. but this means that patients seeking abortion care, after 15 weeks, will no longer be able to go to another state for the procedure. they will have to travel, basically, to another country. talk about the impact this proposal could have, especially among those who can't afford to make that trip. >> thank you so much for having me. and i will say that, i want to make it very clear that what we saw this week was an attempt to move a national abortion ban. i think that sometimes, we hear 15 weeks versus, however many other weeks, people try to put in that pant. what we saw here was the move for a national ban.

and this will absolutely have incredible impact on communities of color, on low income folks, and it will make it nearly impossible for people to be able to make safe decisions for themselves, to be able to determine how they want to live their lives. >> state senator, jordan, graham claims that his bill has exceptions for the life of a mother, rape, and incest. but as the 19th notes, these exceptions, they actually require people to jump through significant logistical legal and bureaucratic groups that render them nearly impossible to utilize. can you talk to us about some of these? >> yeah, i mean, look, i want to go back here, because what we're talking about, and monica is exactly right. i mean, this is a ban nationwide. so, when we talk about states that have really been much more supported, with respect to women's rights, you know, let's talk about new york, let's talk about illinois or california, those are the states they're gonna get impacted by lindsey graham's bills, not the

george's, because the georgia, you know, six-week ban, it's gonna stay into effect. and so, what is gonna happen is the states where people actually can access abortion care, and where women's rights are intact, that's what lindsey graham's bill really sticks to destroy. and that's why the national ban is so incredibly dangerous. >> monica, i mentioned that you met with vice president kamala harris at the white house earlier this week. based on, you know, what you discussed during that meeting, is the white house, in your opinion, in your mind, ready to meet this moment? what steps would you like to see from the federal government to protect abortion access nationwide? >> i will say that we are ready, and it was a very, it was an incredible meeting that we had at the white house. and it seems as if the biden administration has made incredible moves. they have made incredible moves towards being and alignment with where we know are we need to be, to ensure that people in this country are able to make

their own decisions about their reproductive lives. and what you are going to continue to do, is to continue to ask this biden administration to put the pressure where the pressure needs to be, to put the safeguards where the safeguards need to be, and continue to move the resources and the places that we need them, so that people can get where what they need. and to really address and continue to push, in always possible, to make sure that people are not criminalized for making a health care decision in this country. that's what we're gonna continue to push. we have a strong collective voice of advocates across different sectors, across different movements, who are ready to move, and ready to act in this moment. >> state senator, i want to ask about this uncharted legal territory that we are in. after roe fell, 2019 fatal personhood law took effect in your state, meaning, basically, that a fetus now has the same constitutional rights as a person. and if i recall at the time, you argued against the law, and suggested that georgia will be required to pay public benefits to the fetus of an immigrant

woman, even as it now denies those benefits to her, because any person boarding the u.s. becomes a citizen automatically. tell us about this uncharted legal territory that we are finding ourselves in? >> yeah, here in georgia, basically, an embryo is a person, under georgia law. so, if you think about all the rights that are attendant with being a person under the law, i mean, all of it, whether you're talking about social welfare benefits, whether you're talking about due process, you know, riding in hiv lanes, i know that's been kind of bad and around in the press, but that's really what is at issue here. and we already have the department of revenue issuing guidelines in terms of deductions, tax deductions that women can take when they become pregnant, even if they had a miscarriage, or if they had multiple miscarriages. so, it's one of these things, this is really open to pandora's box in this state. and look, lindsey graham, you know, national ban, it's just

the beginning. i mean, we saw with congressman buddy carter from georgia, what he is filing a bill that basically is gonna let pharmacists refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control, for contraception. that's where we are. that's where they are headed. and so, voters, women, everybody in this country needs to be vigilant, and they need to understand exactly where the bill goes. >> monica, i want to ask just about how we talk about in this in this country for a moment, let's switch gears here for a bit. i had that meeting with the white house, you touched on the pop culture's role in the discussion around reproductive's right. and this week, you had christie taken sharing that the miscarriage had back in 2020 was actually a life saving abortion, something that she even realized herself, until the fall of roe. she said, quote, i fell silent, feeling weird that i hadn't made sense of it that way. i told the world we had a miscarriage, the world agreed we had a miscarriage. while the headlines said it was a miscarriage, and i became

really frustrated that i didn't, in the first place, say what it was. and i felt silly that it had taken me over a year to actually understand that we had had an abortion. has the dobbs decision help normalize these kinds of candid discussions around abortion? and is that what we need to happen in this country? >> we absolutely need this. and i do believe that this decision has brought the topic of abortion to the front, right? it is not something that we are able to push to the site anymore. if you are looking to do anything, in terms of policy in this country, you have to address abortion. we need, not only reproductive justice voters, we also need reproductive justice candidates. those folks who are willing to stand strong on these issues. and so, because of the dobbs decision, we are seeing so many more of these stories, coming to the forefront, and we need more of that. and i do think the power of culture, the power of storytelling, it's something that is absolutely needed. people need to see themselves

reflected. they need to understand what their stories, they're not alone, that they share, they share stories with so many other people. so, absolutely, that something we have to invest in, and we need to continue to uplift. >> we can't emphasize that enough. you are not alone. that's the importance of showing these stories. georgia democratic state senator jen jordan, and monica simpson, thank you so much for joining us this hour. really appreciate your time. still ahead, the return of the january 6th committee hearings, just before the midterms. but first, gigi stone woods is here with the headlines. hey, gigi. >> thanks, ayman. hello. stories we are watching at this hour. authorities in eastern ukraine are examining hundreds of bodies that were buried in a mass grave. they discovered it just days after russian troops were pulled from the region. ukrainian officials claim the burial contained more than 400 civilians, including children. several of the bodies also showed signs of torture. just hours ago, president biden and first lady jill biden landed in london to attend queen elizabeth the second funeral. the state funeral will take

place monday at westminster abby. nearly 100 presidents and heads of states are expected to attend. prince william and prince harry were joined by the queen's other grandchildren for a vigil around her coffin at westminster hall on saturday. all eight grandchildren stood guard for 20 minutes during the ceremony. we will have more with ayman after the break. i am gigi stone woods. stay tuned. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ in order to thrive in an ever-changing market. the right relationship with a bank who understands your industry, as well as the local markets where you do business, can help lay a solid foundation for the future. pnc provides the resources of one of the nation's largest banks and local leaders with a focus on customized insights to help your business achieve its goals. that's how we make a difference. ♪♪ moderate to severe eczema still disrupts my skin. despite treatment it disrupts my skin with itch. it disrupts my skin with rash.

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the luck, because the january six committee is not done yet, not even close. this week, the panel announced their plans to hold at least one more public hearing at the end of this month, and news flash, a lot has happened since we last saw them. in fact, just this, week chairman bennie thompson said they now had thousands of exhibits from the secret service, including text messages from agents. this, of course, as former trump white house chief of staff mark meadows has complied with the january six related subpoena from the justice department, possibly leading to

even more soon to be released revelations. but as opposed to the justice departments investigation, which won't make any announcements before the midterms, that january 6th committee isn't bound by statutes of protocols. their hearing is tentatively rescheduled to take place just five weeks before voters cast their ballots. joining me now is michael larosa, former press secretary to first lady jill biden. and melissa murray, and why your law professor and an msnbc legal analyst. which have both of you with us. melissa, i'd like to start with you. what are your thoughts? what are the legal impacts former trump white house chief of staff mark meadows now complying with this doj subpoena? >> well, it's obviously a very significant and strong move in the direction of the doj. it shows that the audience for which the january 6th committee was actually working, for much of the summer, was the doj itself. and now, it seems to be bearing fruit. it's worth emphasizing that the

material that he has apparently turned over to the doj is much of the same subpoena material that he turned over to the january 6th committee. so, it's not clear at this moment, if there will be any new blockbuster revelations. but it does suggest the additional subpoena and the fact that he's complied with it means that he's definitely playing ball. he's not being, as he was with the committee. and this means, if there is more pressure applied, he may actually turn over more material, and may depart from the trump camp, perhaps even turn into a cooperating witness, providing some crucial evidence that would be necessary with the doj to determine, whether more forceful action in the direction of the former president is required. >> michael, as i mentioned, a lot has changed since we last heard from the committee. axios is reporting that the secret service has provided in the committee with a, quote, significant level of detail from emails, and that includes radio transmissions, microsoft teams chat messages, exhibits to address aspects of planning,

operations, communications, all of that surrounding january the 6th. politically, what could this mean for the committee? >> well, for the committee, i think, you know, barring any explosive bombshells or new revelations, look, i think they've done an incredible job of communicating effectively to the american people what took place. i don't know if it's gonna move the dial on the midterms, or becoming motivating for those voters at the end of the day. but i think what it does is when donald trump and these investigations and that january 6th committee hearings were going on, and they are back in the public consciousness, people are reminded how turned off they are by him, especially independent voters. and that's a problem for the republicans, especially when these hearings will be held in the middle of voting. >> melissa, the committee told

members, excuse me, committee members told axios that they plan on releasing their final report, after the elections in november. legally speaking, what comes next once their report is released? where does this go beyond just being the public record? >> well, it's a really important thing to underscore here that the committees charge is principally investigatory. so, the report will likely make some recommendations, perhaps, for firming up some of these security lapses at the capitol that were revealed, of course, their investigation in the public hearings. but, that is really it. there aren't going to be indictments going out of this. again, though, this whole episode was, i think, conducted largely for an audience of one, and that one person was merrick garland. so, it will provide fodder for the doj to go further, will generate among the public and desire for greater accountability at the department of justice? that's entirely different

matter, but it's not one that that committee itself has anything to do. so, this committee will sunset on december 31st, 2022. and their work will live on, but it will largely have to be turned over by another department, and that departments to question. >> michael, given the charge by republicans that this committee has had a perception of partisanship, or politicization, they've been trying to avoid, they themselves themselves said that they're trying to avoid. are there running out of time ahead of the midterms? i mean, how significant is it for them to have it least one more public hearing before election day, or is that something that could backfire on them? >> no, i don't think it will. but going back to my point earlier, they have managed, i think donald trump and the republicans have managed to do something very rare, and it is to make the midterms a referendum on the party and the president out of power, as opposed to the president and the party in power. people are fatigued by this

trump show, and the circus of chaos and drama and corruption that he brings, when he is public stage. and the committee hearings keep him on the public stage, and again, that's a problem for republicans, especially this close out to the midterm election. >> there is a joke that the new york times times reports among maga or lawyers that it actually stands for making attorneys get attorneys. when you look at the fact that 11 lawyers who worked for trump have now testified before the house january 6th committee. others have been subpoenaed to appear before a federal grand jury, and even more are facing numerous complaints. as a lawyer, what do you make of this? what is what does this say one of the lawyers need a lawyer? >> what it first says, i think that i said that phrase on this network multiple times, before the new york times reported it. i am uncredited in luke broadwater's article. i'll just say that for the

record. again, i think we see michael cohen, pat cipollone, all of the former trump world lawyers seem to be lawyering up themselves. and again, as a lawyer, it really is a great step when you are seeking counsel for yourself, and it can't be something that is undertaken likely. but it really just goes to show that the kind of work that donald trump is doing and what he expects of his lawyers, again, the sort of ray cohn's tie lawyer, often really pushes the ethical boundaries that are obstructed, legal professionals, and in some cases, they actually push the boundaries of the law, requiring lawyers to get someone to help them through these episodes of legal jeopardy. so, again, monica, making attorneys, get attorneys. >> i was gonna say, i'm glad we set the record straight on that, melissa. michael, let me ask you about another character in the trump orbit, that is mike lindell, the michael of c o, close trump ally. he says the fbi served him a subpoena and seized his phone

while at a hardee's drive-through in minnesota. your reaction to that? >> i guess it puts hardee's back on the map -- -- [laughs] i actually saw a tweet about their morning biscuit. i'm actually looking forward to trying them, so i like lindell for giving the parties some publicity. >> do you think there's gonna be anything substantive coming out of what mike lindell might have known? >> i'm not sure. but what i do know is that, again, this is just more of the circus and the show that really turns off voters. it is why they voted for joe biden in 2020, it's why they dumped trump, that he surrounds himself with these, you know, assorted acts of characters. and people are fatigued by all of this. >> aren't we all? panel, stick around. we've got a lot more to discuss. ahead, biden has been riding a wave of good news all summer long. but can democrats keep that

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>> amtrak joe it's taking a well deserved a victory lap. this week, president biden announced that a tentative deal had been reached avoiding nationwide will strike that could have devastated the economy. >> this agreement is a big win for america. this agreement can avert significant damage that any shutdown would have brought. >> the tentative deal which emerged from 20 plus hours of negotiation with a major political win for biden, whose administration facilitated a labor management talks. the new deal involves a wage hikes, freezes in health care costs, and changes in work rules, including crucial improvements to time off policies. it's the latest in a string of victories for the administration that president hosani massive uptick in his phone numbers, just weeks before the midterms. my saturday night panel is back

with me now to break it all down. melissa, i'll start with you. the significance of this tentative rail deal for workers and for democrats right now. your thoughts? >> i mean, it's a really important moment, certainly, for the president, it's a major win. it also, i, think it's a major win for organized labor in the united states, which really took a beating under the trump administration, certainly, under this conservative supreme court. this again shows the power of unions and unions organizing for better work conditions. again, the work conditions that were being thought here were important, sort of the infrastructure, childcare, sick leave policies, all of those things that really matter to american workers, and they were part of the conversation here, maybe suggesting that they should be part of a larger conversation, not just for unionized workers, but for all american workers. >> michael, the tentative deal happen on the same day that florida's republican governor, ron desantis, sent that group of migrants to martha's

vineyard, as a political stunt, as a file political stunt. how come the white house and the democrats breakthrough to voters, when republicans keep pulling these stacks of stunts? >> yeah, i mean, it is really kind of a moral argument i think that needs to be made. i mean, governor desantis, really, represents the worst of humanity. and you know, the people of martha's vineyard really represent the best of it. i went down to the border with the first lady to asylum camp during the campaign. and it showed me that elections have real consequences. and when president trump put in place that-in mexico policy, for people who were fleeing violence, awful, awful violence, awful, awful conditions, it was heartbreaking, and then, to see governor desantis play politics,

and you know, use this deprive political stunt in order to getting notoriety, getting publicity, whatever is trying to do. it's really disgusting. >> melissa, obviously, the dobbs decision mobilized many americans, as we saw, and some of these elections, because they can crystallized and a lot of people's mind what the supreme court and the republican party was trying to do to women's rights in this country. do you believe that, you know, stunts like what ron desantis is doing could also mobilize, at the same time, voters out of the midterms? >> i think it's good. and i think at bottom, what we've seen over the course of the last couple of days with regard to the stunt at martha's vineyard is that these tactics aren't aimed at providing solutions to the problem of the refugee crisis. it's just meant to promote a kind of propaganda, or shift the burden to other groups. and when it actually turned out that the peoples of martha's vineyard could be receptive to

these migrants, and provide compassion and empathy to them, and support for them, we didn't see a sort, of okay, we found a solution. instead, we saw that the republicans wanted to now take this show on the road, to other places that are viewed as liberal, elite on cleats. this is not solution oriented. it is nearly propaganda with people, desperately for people who are struggling as pawns. >> propaganda is the most apt word i heard describe what he did. michael, i want to ask you, broadly speaking, you have president biden, democrats, string of victories over the course of the past few months. the president's approval rating, significantly jumping since july. how did democrats properly take advantage of these winds? we have that prove awaiting their, up nine point points since july two now, 45%. >> i think the good news for democrats, at least, is that they're performing even that

number amongst their voters, and will last for special elections that members of the house had, those candidates are performing, president biden's performance from 2020. they are out bowling him in most of the senate races, in terms of favor bilicki. i think what we are seeing, in large part, any unfair feelings that voters have towards the president are being attached to democratic, from democratic candidates right now. this is supposed to be, you know, midterms are traditionally about pumping the brakes on the current party in power, and the current president. but i think because of the supreme court, which has really motivated and fired up democrats, and getting them off the, get off the bench and ready to vote, along with that emergence of the trump show, it's really gonna force voters to consider the party out of power, and the alternative to what they were seeing.

traditionally, they don't like their rights taken away. and i think, that it's gonna be a big problem for them going forward. >> melissa, i have a slightly broader question about the concerns, if you have any concerns, about the down ballot races for positions like state attorneys general, that may not be as much in the spotlight, even though there are now more than ever, but still, not as much as perhaps they should be, in terms of what they need for our democracy, and certainly, since the end of roe. how important is it for democrats to convince voters to head to the polls and cast ballots in these down ballot races, not just the house, senate, and gubernatorial races. >> i think this is absolutely crucial, and one of the things that the republicans have really hammered over the course of the last four years is that they need to be attentive to state legislative races, but also, local races. again, the attorney general, but also, the state prosecutor, a local prosecutor. all of those things matter. and i think we are beginning to

see how those down ballot races impact national policy in a really important way. it is actually going to be those state and local prosecutors, who determine what counts as an abortion, whether someone has had a miscarriage, or whether someone to be prosecuted for having an unlawful abortion and some of these places. and so, just as we are now more attentive to the role that the supreme court can play in our lives, and we are more attentive to that role at the gerrymandered state legislatures can play, we also have to be attendant to what the state and local races mean for us, because all politics is local, and we are really seeing the effect of that right now. >> again, as we mentioned earlier, some 27 candidates are election deniers, and they are running for these offices. that could have severe implications on our democracy. michael, before we go, i gotta ask you about president biden's 2024 reelection campaign. reportedly, president biden's top aides have been quietly building in 2024 campaign effort, with increasing discussions about how might

manage the operation, essential themes, and structure. as someone who has worked in the white house, and certainly, on campaigns, what do you make up this? >> i mean, i'm not surprised, the president has said he is running for reelection, but you don't run for president for four years, and i don't think they ever planned to. i think they've always plan to run for eight. and why wouldn't he at this point? like you mentioned, he's been racking up a lot of legislative wins. and one of the most important things he's done is restore a lot of decency and honesty, and respect to the white house, and institutions, which was, you know, corrupted by the previous administration, the previous president, who may run again. and i think, he's been a striking contrast to what we had. so, i'm not surprised if they are starting to prepare. it's about that time, once the midterms, once november is over.

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in the second autopsy, proof that philippe pannell's hands were raised when he was shot. gary's pack was acquitted on charges of reckless manslaughter. filip pannell's death sparked a conversation on police brutality, and shattered the facade of racial unity indiana. marches and demonstrations broke up in the streets, and continue for years, and now, 30 years later, the documentary is reexamining philippe pannell's death, and its impact on the town of teaneck. the four part series, model america, from nbc, it will premiere tomorrow night right here on msnbc. >> it's a tuesday night. it was raining. it was getting dark. i had an electron system, which is a little pager system from the ambulance corps. i heard a lot of chatter on the radio. they talked about calling into the prosecutors office. so, i got on the phone, and i called the police headquarters,

and i spoke to the dispatcher. and i said, what happened? >> i got a call from the convenience store owner in teaneck who was a friend of mine. and he just called me up, got a screaming. >> and they said, there was a shooting. >> you know, teaneck police just shot somebody. they shot a young kid. they shot a black head. >> in teaneck, a white cop shot a black kid? i can't believe it! it's not supposed to happen. >> michelle major the director of model america will join me after the break. e break. in order to thrive in an ever-changing market. the right relationship with a bank who understands your industry, as well as the local markets where you do business,

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msnbc films documentary, modern america. michelle, which have you with us. so teaneck was deeply impacted by philippe pannell's shooting in the 90s. some of us may not even remember it. but has the town forgotten about this? or is this still on the hearts and minds on the residents there today? >> well, what is really interesting is that, you know, and they recently, after the george floyd killing, tried to put up some black lives matter movement north murals. and many of the people who are fighting for these murals have never heard the name, philip pannell. and that just goes to so to show that, now, his name was not on the minds of the people of america. it was really swept under the rug, his story. >> tell me about what drew you to this story, and how you, or

why did you want to bring it to life? >> so, i was always interested in this story for a couple reasons. firstly, obviously, this has been something that in the news recently, but in the 90s, this occurred in the 90s. and interestingly enough, it was sort of the beginning of the modern-day black lives matter movement, as we know it, with the exception of the fact that there were no cameras then. but it was the beginning of al sharpton, seeing how sharpton demonstrating every day on the streets. and also, it was the town that interested me, in a large sense, i think this town represents america, in so many ways. it represents a lot of the good that we all believe that we have in our hearts for one another, and the way we hope to live together, our hopefulness. but it also represents that

side of us that we sort of keep on coming back to, and i thought it was important to explore this because i think it's important to keep it on our minds at all times that we've done so easily, this can so easily happen, no matter how good our intentions are. >> as i mentioned, it's been 13 years. a lot of phillips pannell's friends before he died, were interviewed for this. let me put this for our viewers. >> they came up the car. they opened the doors, and they came out with them guns, over the doors. and i was getting to walking -- and he was like, yeah, everybody got against the wall. i'm like, hold on a minute! like, what's going on? why you got your guns out? i'm here at the wall. phil is probably, maybe about ten feet from me, and in the middle, probably in the middle, and when i looked at him, i

already knew he was going on at that point. he took off one. ♪ ♪ ♪ police started running as soon as he started running. >> once one person started running, everybody started running. i ran in the different direction than fell. >> we took the opportunity to go into the other direction. >> it was a reaction. i think it was a mixture of adrenaline, panic, you know, not knowing what was happening. it was a kind of they rolled up on us suddenly with their guns. >> we are thinking, phil ran. he got away. and we'll see him soon, and will laugh about. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> their memories, they sound so vivid. they seem like they can still relive those moments. do you get a sense after having worked on this, and hearing those accounts, and just seeing the descriptions that we just played there, that his family, his friends are still grieving what happened to him? >> oh, 100%. and in fact, we try to

interview more of his friends and family, and many of them said no, it was to still right there, and they just, they wouldn't be able to talk about it. >> and it seems like the sad thing, michelle, is that the story really, is not in the past. this is something we're still seeing happening on a regular basis. has anything changed, in terms of awareness. i mean, you alluded to the fact that perhaps, not with technology and cell phones we are seeing the same things that are happening in the 90s, in places like teaneck and elsewhere. >> oh, well, absolutely. things are changing. things are, we hope, moving in the right direction. and we hope they will continue to move in the right direction. but this is why we tell stories like this, so that people, they can stay in the public mind, and then, everyone will feel that it's their obligation to be a part of the solution. >> and i could just ask really

quickly, what do you want viewers to take away from watching this documentary? >> i think that's one of the most important things to remember is that, i mean, i'd like people to, you don't, understand that this town was not an evil town. we're not saying that it's filled with people who are trying to do back. but when you are trying to do the right thing that we need to, at all times, be aware of what we might have missed. and there is always lingering possibilities of lingering discord, and we need to be faced flip, and seeing what needs to be worked on and changed. >> we certainly do. michelle major, thank you so much for your time. thank you for making this documentary, model america, premieres tomorrow night, 10 pm right here on msnbc. you do not want to miss that. thank you for joining us. make sure to catch me tomorrow night, nine eastern, on msnbc.

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