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i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. i want to take you back to june 2020. to the supreme court had just overturned roe v. wade, striking down the constitutional right to an abortion in this country. the decision immediately left millions of americans without access to reproductive rights or reproductive care. in states where that care was protected, millions more wondered if it was just a matter of time until a federal ban would go into effect. some republicans feared and electoral disaster in the coming months were quick to throw cold water on that theory, claiming the court's decision would simply send the issue back to the states. effectively these gop lawmakers had a national ban on abortion, that would never happen here. is republican senator lindsey graham of south carolina, just last month. >> i've been consistent. i think states should decide the issue of marriage and

states should decide the issue of abortion. i have respect for south carolina. south carolina voters here i trust to find marriage and deal with the issue of abortion. >> well, that respect for the state of south carolina appears to be short lived. here's lindsey graham on tuesday unveiling a new bill. >> i think we should have a law, at the federal level, that would say, after 15 weeks, no abortion on demand. >> now blatant hypocrisy inside here, even other republicans realize that lindsey graham's proposal isn't good politics. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell is facing an uphill battle to gain the chamber in november told reporters, quote, most of the members of my conference prefer that this be dealt with at the state level. this isn't a shock. public opinion is not on his graham side, especially in states like pennsylvania. that's where maine at oz is being blasted by his democratic

opponent for refusing to say whether he would vote yes on the bill. he has dedicated attire section of his website to oz watch, where he canceled, minutes, and seconds it's taking on pause to come clean on his stance on the proposal. oz is a master politician. he knows better to endorse it before a midterm. but many republicans are unwilling to make that endorsement, including herschel walker. in the house, republicans just introduce even more registration to restrict abortion nationwide, bringing forward a bill that would undo biden ministration guidance and allow pharmacists the power to refuse to revive provide abortion inducing drugs. the states rights lines defense we heard so much about, well, it was a lie. it was nothing but a lie. and those who claim otherwise are most likely doing son just to save their electoral prospects come november.

overturning roe was never about giving power back to the states. it was about controlling our bodies and our personal autonomy. let's bring in georgia democratic state senator gingered. and she's a democratic nominee for attorney general of door georgia, and monica simpson, head of sister song and part of a group of activists that met with vice president kamala harris at the white house earlier this week. thank you so much for joining us. state senator jen, jordan, i would like to start with you, excuse me. let's be clear about what i at least think what graham's proposed federal law would do. right now your own state of georgia has a six-week ban on abortion, which would be allowed to stay in place, but in less restrictive states abortion access would be absolutely curtailed. what kind of legal battles could arise if graham's bill actually became law? >> i think that there needs to be clarification because i have even heard pundits talk about

graham's bill as if it just creates a 15-week ban. people in georgia are saying that's good, for us right? what they don't understand is that 15 weeks across the board, unless the state has a more restrictive role, and that is the one that goes in the place. let's be clear, in terms of lindsey graham and republicans, period. they want states to control the decision about abortion. if they control the states. so, you know, i'm not sure exactly what's going to happen but i think lindsey graham really let the cat out of the bag in terms of what his real intention is here with republicans nationwide after jobs. >> monica, some republicans have described the 15-week ban is a moderate alternative to other restrictions, but this means the patients seeking abortion care after 15 weeks will no longer be able to go to another state for the procedure. they will have to travel, basically, to another country.

talk about the impact this proposal could have, especially among those who can't afford to make that trip. >> thank you so much for having. me i will say that, i want to make a very clear that what we saw this week was an attempt to move a national abortion. man i think that is something that we hear 15 weeks versus however many other weeks people try to put in front of that ban. what we saw here was the move for a national ban. this will absolutely have incredible impact on communities of color, on low income folks, and it will make nearly impossible for people to make safe decisions for themselves and to determine how they want to live their lives. >> state senator jen jordan, green claims his bill has exceptions for the life of the mother, rape and incest, as and these exceptions actually require people to jump through significant logistical legal and bureaucratic hoops they render them nearly impossible to utilize. can you talk to us about some of these?

>> yeah. and look, i want to go back here because what we are talking about, and monica is right, this is a ban nationwide. when we talk about states that have really been much more supportive with respect to women's rights, let's talk about new york, let's talk about illinois or california, those are the states that are gonna get impacted by lindsey graham's bills, not the george's. because the georgia six-week ban it's good to stay in effect in the states where people actually can access abortion care, we women's rights are intact, that is what lindsey graham's bill really seeks to destroy. that is why the national ban is so incredibly dangerous. >> monica, i mentioned that you met with vice president kamala harris at the white house earlier this week. based on what you discussed earlier during that meeting. is the white house, in your opinion, in your mind ready, to

meet this moment? what steps would you like to see from the federal government to protect abortion access nationwide? >> i will say that we are ready and it was an incredible meeting that we had at the white house and it seems as if the bryan administration has made incredible moves toward being in alignment with where we know we need to be to ensure people's country can make their own decisions about the reproductive lives. and what we are going to continue to do is to continue to ask this biden administration to put the pressure where the pressure needs to be, to put the safeguards with the safeguards need to be, and continue to move the resources to where people can get them. to address and push in all the ways possible to make sure the people are criminalized for making a health care decision in this country. that's what we will continue to push and we have the strong collective voice of advocates across the different sectors and across different movements

who are ready to move and act in this movement. >> state senator, i want to ask you about this uncharted legal territory that we in after roe fell in 2019 fetal personhood law took effect in your state, saying basically that it fetus has the same constitutional rights as a person. as i recall it's time you argued against the law and said georgia will be required to pay death benefits to the fetus of a immigrant woman because any person born in the u.s. because the citizen automatically. >> here in georgia basically embryo is a person under georgia law. so if you think about all the rights that are attendant with being a person under the law, all of, it when you talk about social window fair benefits or due process, driving in the ho v. lane, i know it's been

battered around in the past, but that's what the issue here. we already have a department of revenue issuing guidelines in terms of deductions, tax deductions, the women can take when they become pregnant, even if they miss carrie. what if they have multiple miscarriages? so it's one of the things that this is really open to pandora's box in this state. and look, lindsey graham's national ban is just the beginning. we saw that congressman buddy carter from georgia, where he is filing a bill that basically is going to let pharmacists refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control, for contraception. that is where we are. that's where they are headed. voters, women, everybody in this country need to be vigilant and needs to understand exactly where they're going with this. >> monica, i want to ask you about how we talk about this in this country for a moment. it switching gears here a bit because at that meeting in the white house you touched on the role pop culture can play in

the discussion around reproductive rights. this week you had chrissy teigen sharing that the miscarriage she had back in 2020 was actually a lifesaving abortion, something she didn't even realize herself until the fall of roe. she said, quote, i felt silent, feeling weird than i that it hadn't made sense of it that way. i told the world we had a miscarriage. the world agreed we had a miscarriage. while the headline said it was a miscarriage. and i became really frustrated that i didn't, in the first place say what it was. i felt silly that had taken me over a year to actually understand that we had had an abortion. has the dobbs decision helped normalize these kinds of candid discussions around abortion? and is that what we need to have in this country? >> we absolutely do, and i believe this decision has brought the topic of abortion to the front. it is not something that we are able to push to the side anymore. if you're looking to do

anything in terms of policy in this country you have to address abortion and we need not only reproductive just as voters, we need reproductive justice candidates, folks willing to stand strong on these issues. because of the dobbs decision we're seeing so many more of these stories coming to the forefront. we need that. i think the power of culture, a pair of storytelling is something that is absolutely needed. people need to see themselves reflected. they need to understand the stories are not theirs alone. they share stories with so many other people. so i absolutely be believed that some people have to continue to uplift. >> you can't emphasize that enough. you are not alone. that's importance of sharing the stories. are georgia democrat state senator jen jordan and monica simpson, thank you so much for joining us. i appreciate your time. still ahead, the long awaited return to january six committee's public hearings, just before the midterms, but first, gigi stone woods is here with the headlines. hey gigi. >> thanks, ayman. stories we're watching at this hour. authorities in eastern ukraine

are examining hundreds of bodies buried in a mass grave. they discovered it just days after russian troops were pulled from the region. ukrainian officials claiming the burial containing more than 400 civilians, including children. several of the bodies also showed signs of torture. just hours ago, president biden first lady jill biden landed in london to attend queen elizabeth the second funeral. the state funeral will take place monday at westminster abby. nearly 100 presidents and heads of state are expected to attend. prince william and prince harry we joined by the queen's other grandchildren for a vigil around her coffin at westminster hall on saturday. all eight grandchildren stood guard for 20 minutes during ceremony. we will have more with ayman after the break. i'm just old woods. m just old woods sounds like something. ♪ when you have nausea, heartburn, indigestion, ♪ ♪ upset stomach, diarrhea. ♪ pepto bismol coats and soothes for fast relief...

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out of luck, because the january six committee is not done yet, not even close. this week, the panel announced their plans to hold at least one more public hearing at the end of this month, and news flash, a lot has happened since we last saw them. in fact, just this week, chairman bennie thompson said they now have thousands of exhibits from the secret service, including text messages from agents. this, of course, as former trump white house chief of staff mark meadows has complied with a january six related subpoena from the justice department, possibly leading to even more soon to be released revelations. but as opposed to the justice department's investigation, which won't make any announcements before the midterms, that january 6th committee isn't bound by statutes or protocols. their hearing is tentatively rescheduled to take place just five weeks before voters cast their ballots. joining me now is michael larosa, former press secretary to first lady jill biden. and melissa murray, and why your law professor and an msnbc legal analyst.

great to have you with us. melissa, i'd like to start with you. what are your thoughts? what are the legal impacts former trump white house chief of staff mark meadows now complying with this doj subpoena? >> well, it's obviously a very significant and strong move in the direction of the doj. it shows that the audience for which the january 6th committee was actually working, for much of the summer, was the doj itself. and now, it seems to be bearing fruit. it's worth emphasizing that the material that he has apparently turned over to the doj is much of the same subpoena material that he turned over to the january 6th committee. so, it's not clear at this moment, if there will be any new blockbuster revelations. but it does suggest the additional subpoena and the fact that he's complied with it means that he's definitely playing ball. he's not being recalcitrant, as he was with the committee. and this means, if there is more pressure applied, he may actually turn over more material, and may depart from the trump camp, perhaps even turn into a cooperating witness, providing some crucial evidence that would be necessary for the

doj to determine whether more forceful action in the direction of the former president is required. >> michael, as i mentioned, a lot has changed since we last heard from the committee. axios is reporting that the secret service has provided the committee with a, quote, significant level of detail from emails, and that includes radio transmissions, microsoft teams chat messages, exhibits that address aspects of planning, operations, communications, all of that surrounding january the 6th. politically, what could this mean for the committee? >> well, for the committee, i think, you know, barring any explosive bombshells or new revelations, look, i think they've done an incredible job of communicating effectively to the american people what took place. i don't know if it's gonna move the dial on the midterms, or becoming motivating for voters at the end of the day. but i think what it does is

when donald trump and these investigations and that january 6th committee hearings were going on, and they are back in the public consciousness, people are reminded how turned off they are by him, especially independent voters. and that's a problem for the republicans, especially when these hearings will be held in the middle of voting. >> melissa, the committee told members, excuse me, committee members told axios that they plan on releasing their final report, after the elections in november. legally speaking, what comes next once their report is released? where does this go beyond just being the public record? >> well, it's a really important thing to underscore here that the committees charge is principally investigatory. so, the report will likely make some recommendations, perhaps, for firming up some of these security lapses at the capitol that were revealed, of course,

their investigation in the public hearings. but, that is really it. there aren't going to be indictments going out of this. again, though, this whole episode was, i think, conducted largely for an audience of one, and that one person was merrick garland. so, it will provide fodder for the doj to go further, will it generate among the public and desire for greater accountability at the department of justice? that's entirely different matter, but it's not one that that committee itself has anything to do. so, this committee will sunset on december 31st, 2022. and their work will live on, but it will largely have to be turned over to another department, and at that department's discretion. >> michael, given the charge by republicans that this committee has had a perception of partisanship, or politicization that they've been trying to avoid, they themselves said that they're trying to avoid. are there running out of time ahead of the midterms? i mean, how significant is it for them to have it least one

more public hearing before election day, or is that something that could backfire on them? >> no, i don't think it will. but going back to my point earlier, they have managed, i think, donald trump and the republicans have managed, to do something very rare, and it is to make the midterms a referendum on the party and the president out of power, as opposed to the president and the party in power. people are fatigued by this trump show, and the circus of chaos and drama and corruption that he brings, when he is public stage. and the committee hearings keep him on the public stage, and again, that's a problem for republicans, especially this close out to the midterm election. >> there is a joke that the new york times reports among maga or lawyers that it actually stands for making attorneys get attorneys. when you look at the fact that 11 lawyers who worked for trump have now testified before the house january 6th committee. others have been subpoenaed to

appear before a federal grand jury, and even more are facing ethics complaints. as a lawyer, what do you make of this? what is what does this say one of the lawyers need a lawyer? >> what it first says, i think that i said that phrase on this network multiple times, before the new york times reported it. i am uncredited in luke broadwater's article. i'll just say that for the record. again, i think we see michael cohen, pat cipollone, all of the former trump world lawyers seem to be lawyering up themselves. and again, as a lawyer, it really is a grave step when you are seeking counsel for yourself, and it can't be something that is undertaken likely. but it really just goes to show that the kind of work that donald trump is doing and what he expects of his lawyers, again, the sort of ray cohn's style lawyer, often really pushes the ethical boundaries that are obstructed, legal professionals, and in some cases, they actually push the boundaries of the law,

requiring lawyers to get someone to help them through these episodes of legal jeopardy. so, again, maga, making attorneys get attorneys. >> i was gonna say, i'm glad we set the record straight on that, melissa. michael, let me ask you about another character in the trump orbit, that is mike lindell, the michael of my pillow, close trump ally. he says the fbi served him a subpoena and seized his phone while at a hardee's drive-through in minnesota. your reaction to that? >> i guess it puts hardee's back on the map -- -- [laughs] i actually saw a tweet about their pillowy biscuit. i'm actually looking forward to trying them, so i like lindell for giving hardees some publicity. >> do you think there's gonna be anything substantive coming

out of what mike lindell might have known? >> i'm not sure. but what i do know is that, again, this is just more of the circus and the show that really turns off voters. it is why they voted for joe biden in 2020, it's why they dumped trump, that he surrounds himself with these, you know, assorted cast of characters. and people are fatigued by all of this. >> aren't we all? panel, stick around. we've got a lot more to discuss. ahead, biden has been riding a wave of good news all summer long. but can democrats keep that momentum going into the midterms? ♪ ♪ ♪ insurance, so you only pay for what you need. and by switching, you could even save $652. thank you, liberty mutual. now, contestants ready? go! why? why? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ peaceful state. full plate. wait, are you my blind date?

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>> amtrak joe is taking a well deserved victory lap. this week, president biden announced that a tentative deal had been reached avoiding nationwide will strike that could have devastated the economy. >> this agreement is a big win for america. this agreement can avert significant damage that any shutdown would have brought. >> the tentative deal which emerged from 20 plus hours of negotiation with a major political win for biden, whose

administration facilitated a labor management talks. the new deal involves a wage hikes, freezes in health care costs, and changes in work rules, including crucial improvements to time off policies. it's the latest in a string of victories for the administration that president who has seen a massive uptick in his poll numbers just weeks before the midterms. my saturday night panel is back with me now to break it all down. melissa, i'll start with you. the significance of this tentative rail deal for workers and for democrats right now. your thoughts? >> i mean, it's a really important moment, certainly, for the president, it's a major win. it also, i, think it's a major win for organized labor in the united states, which really took a beating under the trump administration, certainly, under this conservative supreme court. this again shows the power of unions and unions organizing for better work conditions. again, the work conditions that were being thought here were important, sort of the infrastructure, childcare, sick leave policies, all of those

things that really matter to american workers, and they were part of the conversation here, maybe suggesting that they should be part of a larger conversation, not just for unionized workers, but for all american workers. >> michael, the tentative deal happen on the same day that florida's republican governor, ron desantis, sent that group of migrants to martha's vineyard, as a political stunt, as a file political stunt. how can the white house and the democrats breakthrough to voters, when republicans keep pulling these stacks of stunts? >> yeah, i mean, it is really kind of a moral argument i think that needs to be made. i mean, governor desantis, really, represents the worst of humanity. and you know, the people of martha's vineyard really represent the best of it. i went down to the border with the first lady to asylum camp during the campaign. and it showed me that elections have real consequences.

and when president trump put in place the remain in mexico policy, for people who were fleeing violence, awful, awful violence, awful, awful conditions, it was heartbreaking, and then, to see governor desantis play politics, and you know, use a depraved political stunt in order to getting notoriety, getting publicity, whatever is trying to do. it's really disgusting. >> melissa, obviously, the dobbs decision mobilized many americans, as we saw, and some of these elections, because they can crystallized and a lot of people's mind what the supreme court and the republican party was trying to do to women's rights in this country. do you believe that, you know, stunts like what ron desantis is doing could also mobilize, at the same time, voters out ahead of the midterms? >> i think it's good.

and i think at bottom, what we've seen over the course of the last couple of days with regard to the stunt at martha's vineyard is that these tactics aren't aimed at providing solutions to the problem of the refugee crisis. it's just meant to promote a kind of propaganda, or shift the burden to other groups. and when it actually turned out that the peoples of martha's vineyard could be receptive to these migrants, and provide compassion and empathy to them, and support for them, we didn't see a sort, of okay, we found a solution. instead, we saw that the republicans wanted to now take this show on the road, to other places that are viewed as liberal, elite enclaves. this is not solution oriented. it is nearly propaganda with people, desperately for people who are struggling as pawns. >> propaganda is the most apt word i heard describe what he did. michael, i want to ask you, broadly speaking, you have president biden, democrats, string of victories over the course of the past few months. the president's approval rating,

significantly jumping since july. how did democrats properly take advantage of these winds? we have that prove awaiting their, up nine points since july to now, 45%. >> i think the good news for democrats, at least, is that they're performing even that number amongst their voters, and will last four special elections that members of the house had, those candidates are performing, president biden's performance from 2020. they are out polling him in most of the senate races, in terms of favorability. i think what we are seeing, in large part, any unfair feelings that voters have towards the president are being detached to democratic, from democratic candidates right now. this is supposed to be, you know, midterms are traditionally about pumping the brakes on the current party in power, and the current president. but i think because of the

supreme court, which has really motivated and fired up democrats, and getting them off the, get off the bench and ready to vote, along with that emergence of the trump show, it's really gonna force voters to consider the party out of power, and the alternative to what they were seeing. traditionally, they don't like their rights taken away. and i think, that it's gonna be a big problem for them going forward. >> melissa, i have a slightly broader question about the concerns, if you have any concerns, about the down ballot races for positions like state attorneys general, that may not be as much in the spotlight, even though there are now more than ever, but still, not as much as perhaps they should be, in terms of what they mean for our democracy, and certainly, since the end of roe. how important is it for democrats to convince voters to head to the polls and cast ballots in these down ballot races, not just the house, senate, and gubernatorial races. >> i think this is absolutely

crucial, and one of the things that the republicans have really hammered over the course of the last four years is that they need to be attentive to state legislative races, but also, local races. again, the attorney general, but also, the state prosecutor, a local prosecutor. all of those things matter. and i think we are beginning to see how those down ballot races impact national policy in a really important way. it is actually going to be those state and local prosecutors, who determine what counts as an abortion, whether someone has had a miscarriage, or whether someone to be prosecuted for having an unlawful abortion and some of these places. and so, just as we are now more attentive to the role that the supreme court can play in our lives, and we are more attentive to that role at the gerrymandered state legislatures can play, we also have to be attendant to what the state and local races mean for us, because all politics is

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considered a rather blue state right now, but back in the 1950s, it could hardly be considered a progressive place to live. that is except for the town of teaneck in bergen county. in fact, for years, it was

considered something of a racial utopia, with a larger black and hispanic communities than neighboring towns. during the civil rights movement, it set itself apart from the rest of bergen county by welcoming the black community with open arms. all of that changed, though, in 1990, when 16 year old philip pannell was fatally shot by a white police officer named gary spath. the second autopsy showed proof that philippe pannell's hands were raised when he was shot. gary spath was acquitted on charges of reckless manslaughter. philip pannell's death sparked a conversation on police brutality, and shattered the facade of racial unity in new jersey. marches and demonstrations broke up in the streets, and continue for years, and now, 30 years later, the documentary is reexamining philippe pannell's death, and its impact on the town of teaneck. the four part series, model

america, from msnbc films will premiere tomorrow night, right here on msnbc. >> it was a tuesday night. it was raining. it was getting dark. i had an electron system, which is a little pager system from the ambulance corps. i heard a lot of chatter on the radio. they talked about calling in the prosecutors office. so, i got on the phone, and i called the police headquarters, and i spoke to the dispatcher. and i said, what happened? >> i got a call from the liquor store owner in teaneck who was a friend of mine. and he just called me up, kind of screaming. >> and they said, there was a shooting. >> you know, teaneck police just shot somebody. they shot a young kid. they shot a black kid. >> in teaneck, a white cop shot a black kid? i can't believe it!

it's not supposed to happen. >> michelle major the director of model america will join me after the break.

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major, the director of the new msnbc films documentary, modern america. michelle, good to have you with us. so teaneck was deeply impacted by philippe pannell's shooting in the 90s. some of us may not even remember it. but has the town forgotten about this? or is this still on the hearts and minds of the residents there today? >> well, what is really interesting is that, you know, and they recently, after the george floyd killing, tried to

put up some black lives matter movement murals. and many of the people who are fighting for these murals have never heard the name philip pannell. and that just goes to show that, now, his name was not on the minds and hearts of the people of america. it was really swept under the rug, his story. >> tell me about what drew you to this story, and how you, or why did you want to bring it to life? >> so, i was always interested in this story for a couple reasons. firstly, obviously, this has been something in the news recently, but in the 90s, this occurred in the 90s. and interestingly enough, it was sort of the beginning of the modern-day black lives matter movement, as we know it, with the exception of the fact that there were no cameras then.

but it was the beginning of al sharpton, seeing how sharpton demonstrating every day on the streets. and also, it was the town that interested me. in a large sense, i think this town represents america, in so many ways. it represents a lot of the good that we all believe that we have in our hearts for one another, and the way we hope to live together, our hopefulness. but it also represents that side of us that we sort of keep on coming back to, and i thought it was important to explore this because i think it's important to keep it on our minds at all times that we can so easily, this can so easily happen, no matter how good our intentions are. >> as i mentioned, it's been 30 years. a lot of phillips pannell's friends before he died, were

interviewed for this. let me put this for our viewers. >> they came out the car. they opened the doors, and they came out with them guns, over the doors. and i was get on the wall -- and he was like, yeah, everybody got against the wall. i'm like, hold on a minute! like, what's going on? why you got your guns out? i'm here at the wall. phil is probably, maybe about ten feet from me, and in the middle, probably in the middle, and when i looked at him, i already knew what was going on at that point. he took off one. ♪ ♪ ♪ police started running as soon as he started running. >> once one person started running, everybody started running. i ran in the different direction than phill. >> we took the opportunity to go into the other direction. >> it was a reaction. i think it was a mixture of adrenaline, panic, you know, not knowing what was happening. it was a kind of they rolled up on us suddenly with their guns.

>> we are thinking, phil ran. he got away. and we'll see him soon, and will laugh about it. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> their memories, they sound so vivid. they seem like they can still relive those moments. do you get a sense after having worked on this, and hearing those accounts, and just seeing the descriptions that we just played there, that his family, his friends are still grieving what happened to him? >> oh, 100%. and in fact, we tried to interview more of his friends and family, and many of them said no, it was to still right there, and they just, they wouldn't be able to talk about it. >> and it seems like the sad thing, michelle, is that the story really, is not a relic of the past. this is something we're still seeing happening on a regular basis. has anything changed, in terms

of awareness? i mean, you alluded to the fact that perhaps, not with technology and cell phones we are seeing the same things that were happening in the 90s, in places like teaneck and elsewhere. >> oh, well, absolutely. things are changing. things are, we hope, moving in the right direction. and we hope they will continue to move in the right direction. but this is why we tell stories like this, so that people, they can stay in the public mind, and then, everyone will feel that it's their obligation to be a part of the solution. >> and i could just ask really quickly, what do you want viewers to take away from watching this documentary? >> i think that's one of the most important things to remember is that, i mean, i'd like people to, you don't, understand that this town was not an evil town. we're not saying that it's filled with people who are trying to do back.

but when you are trying to do the right thing that we need to, at all times, be aware of what we might have missed. and there is always lingering possibilities of lingering discord, and we need to be vigilant in seeing what needs to be worked on and changed. >> we certainly do. michelle major, thank you so much for your time. thank you for making this documentary, model america premieres tomorrow night, 10 pm right here on msnbc. you do not want to miss that. thank you for joining us. make sure to catch me tomorrow night, nine eastern, on msnbc. new york congressional candidate max rose will join us. we're gonna discuss how republicans wrap their stance on abortion, and this is changing the midterm elections in swing districts like his. until then, i am ayman mohyeldin. have a good night. ♪ ♪ ♪ (di've already told everyone! (cool guy) $30...that's awesome. (mom) it's their best unlimited price ever. (woman) for $30 a line, i'm switching now. (vo) the network you want. the price you love.

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