this, week president biden and scores of world leaders will descend on new york city for the annual united nations general assembly. there are some brand-newg numbe. 45% of -- support biden's drop performance. this is highs running the poll since last october. ahead of the upcoming november midterm elections it shows a tie for preference for control of congress. 46% 49. person although democrats narrowly travel publicans when it comes to interest in the election. 59% of republicans are expressing a high-level of, interest compared to 66% of democrats. biden is set to have a busy few days, including a bilateral meeting with the new united kingdom prime minister lustrous. no doubt the death of queen elizabeth and the new king will be discussed, along with other important items including the global economy. of course russia's brutal war will be front and center as well just as the world is learning more about the russian atrocities in ukraine.

like other ukrainian cities from bucha to mariupol, another enormous mass grave has been discovered. this time in a forest near the city of izium. authorities continue to exhumed the bodies of which there are reportedly more than 450, including civilians, children and soldiers a. like many of the bodies show signs of, quote, violent. death while several have their hands bound and show signs of torture. it is now day 207 of russia's invasion, with putin's plan to take all of three days to capture the capital of kyiv. right now ukraine continues to gain ground with a successful counteroffensive in the northeast, reclaiming several thousand square miles of territory. ukraine also continues to have success with a counteroffensive in the south. at the same, time russia is making small gains in some towns in donetsk. one of the regions that make up the donbas. to say that russian soldiers are making those gains might be misleading. as the new york times reports, the frontline ukrainian soldier say the russian forces in the area are actually troops from the wagner group.

which is a deadly mercenary force with success fighting in syria and libya. they are paid soldiers hired by the governments. they are known to be fighting for russia and ukraine. ukrainian frontline soldiers also report that there are russian prisoners among the russian forces that they are fighting. a video posted online analyzed new york times shows members of the wagner group fly speaking to a group of russian prisoners, promise in the freedom in return for six months in ukraine. it is unclear when the video was filmed. this year's united nations general assembly comes not only at the time it appears to be a turning point in the war on the battlefield, but also a turning point for how russia and vladimir putin are viewed and treated on the world stage. including by russian allies, because of the catastrophic nature of this war. speaking to meeting with china's using pink and a regional multinational summit in uzbekistan, putin stated the, russia, quote understand your concerns and questions. and. quote about ukraine. publicly revealing that china,

which is passively back rushes warren is by far russia's most powerful ally, has both questions and concerns about this war. the following day, putin, who is the tories forcing other world leaders to witness -- obama and president trump, he got -- he was forced by the leaders of turkey -- target stand, -- india is tricky. it is now i have russia president retro national elastic stance on the war. russian fueled and maintained -- without overtly after -- modi said -- this era is not one of you are on the phones. remember, this putin ridiculously low over the --

over horizontal world leaders in his minions. take a look at the summit. not tiny, the smallest in -- as my friend in brunner notes, but he is also litters of the fundamentalist group. not only the head of the table holding court, ouch, next to his pal belarusian says it is russia in the invasion. joining me now is terrell jermaine, specializing in u.s. russia relations. he's also the founder and the diplomat to -- terrell has spent a lot of time in ukraine during the, war has an uncanny ability to get posts close with civilians, capturing their challenges and hardships. and along the way he lands a helping hand to people trying to get out of that. country, doral get to see my. friend it has been a long-time. glad to see that you are back among what they've taken to call your people in ukraine. you will become something of an

honorary ukrainian. you become something of an honorary ukrainian over the last several months. >> yes, thank you. one of the things when you think about this counteroffensive has been the fact that this counteroffensive was so surprising for not only the russians before ukrainians as well. in a matter of several weeks they have reclaimed roughly 8000 kilometers according to the ministry of defense. and since russian troops and conscripts were leaving and problematic amounts of artillery and armored vehicles behind, so it is really troubling about this is that after these elaborations of towns and communities are left, the signs that we will consider and what is clearly war crimes. and what maybe pull or calling cases of genocide. you have hundreds of bodies are being exhumed in these liberated areas. and it goes into these larger

conversations about how should russia be playing. it the offensive was so surprising many of my friends people across the country we're looking at their social media accounts hour by hour. by the temper tape, are looking to see how many towns should be taken. so it was like an event, almost. talking about the lives that were lost. and really liberating these towns. >> terrell, lots to talk about the sense of spirit there. i was last in ukraine in april, and people had a strong spirit. there it did not look like they were winning the war. now you're seeing we're taking 1000 kilometers, there was a real sense that world interest in this war is flagging. it may be ukrainians were getting fatigued by. it what is the feeling on the ground? >> well, on the ground people are really happy with the trip cooling amounts of hardware coming from the west. the himars which everybody has been hearing about have been really instrumental. so people are so optimistic

here that many people believe you can get territory by the end of this year. potentially. that was pre-september 24th, can be retaken. when you have as russia sending conscripts. much of the professional army, the russians have been severely depleted. so they do not have a second actual, on a third echelon of troops. putin, interestingly enough, if some of the mansion in uzbekistan and said that this offensive will continue. it said that we have not set our full army, well, the. he does not have more people to send. that is the problem. he's just bluffing and bluffing and bluffing. so what they do have is tons of artillery. they are targeting at civilian and civilian locations. and this tactic has always, been in the case of syria and chechnya, people will give up. and we would impress them to death. but russia hasn't not got a legitimate army, and also people look at the army like it

was a 2014 army, without realizing it has gone under major reforms over the past eight years. which really shock even ukrainians who are fighting for their liberation's. ours struck by how incredible and brave these soldiers are taking on the russians, when i've learned at this point is that where the point where these people are saying in kherson where the gains are, a bit slower. if croissant could be reclaimed, they could be in the position to strike crimea, which is a low that here in ukraine people think it's a possibility within the next year or so. >> good to see, you my. front thanks for joining us. again thanks for the wealthy are doing. her terrell jermaine stars a nonresident senior fellow at the united councils eurasia center and they posted the blocked applies podcast. for more on this i'm joined by an apple, than staff writer at the atlantic. senior fellow at the johns hopkins school who international studies. this, week she published a provocative piece in the atlantic, title, it is time to prepare for a ukrainian victory.

go to, see you thank you for joining. us it is not that provocative because you actually several months ago started laying the ground for the idea that a ukrainian victory as possible. it's just the contours of what that victory might look like. it is what you've updated here. >> yes. i should serve by saying that not only is it possible, it is the only way they war will end. vladimir putin has really attached to his prestige, his foreign policy. everything else that he says he believes, in his legitimacy as the president of russia to this war. he gives no indication that he would like to negotiate, he's not talked about concessions. that means the only way they wore answers if the russians begin to perceive that they are losing. ukrainians know that. they have a complete overnight into towards the war that the russian soldiers. stu they are fighting for their homes, for their actual existence as a nation.

they have seen the atrocities that take place and russian occupied territories. more as being revealed this week. they know they are fighting for life or death. most of the russian, soldiers though, a few maybe ideologically motivated. but most of their fighting for their salaries. they don't want to die. and that was why we saw them run away so quickly. the question now, though, is whether we in the west are really prepared for the consequences of ukrainian victory. do we want? it did we want to see it? are we willing to grapple with the risks and the possible consequences of a russian loss. what happens if russia is perceived to, lose and how will that impact both russia and the whole region. i'm not absolutely sure that we thought all that through yet. >> on may 20, 30 many months ago when it was not clear how this was all going to evolve, you tweeted, and it is pinned to your twitter profile, that putin does not need it off ramp. because we were, discussing

what this is off ramp, what is his weight of this war. you are saying he does not need an off ramp he needs to. loose and only when he is humiliated, only when he, loses will russia's war of apparel conquest come to an end. i would not have guessed that here in the beginning of september, she jinping is expressing concerns about this war. narendra modi is expressing concerns about this war. putin sat around waiting for for world leaders to meet him is pakistan. he is buying stuff from pyongyang. he's buying stuff from iran. this is not the russia we thought was carrying this warrant in ukraine. >> no. we completely boost red russia. we misread the russian military expansion. and we arming of the last several years. we took them at their words that they were rebuilding and re-strengthening their army and buying new equipment. we did not take into account the fact this is a profoundly corrupt society where much of the money that went into the military may have disappeared. and again, as i said, we did

not take into account the fact that their soldiers are not fighting for their lives they are not fighting for anything existential. they are fighting for their salaries. unlikely ukrainians. and yes the clapped that putin is losing some international per stage, that his partners are beginning to question him, is matched by the fact that he is losing some procedure at home. these things are very hard to measure because it is illegal in russia to questioned the war and increasingly it is illegal and impossible to criticize the regime. so you do not see anything public but you do see on the fringes you see some members of the elite off the record and a few on the record beginning to question whether the war is a good idea. as i said, you can see that because putin has attached his name and his legitimacy and his belief in the need to reconstruct a soviet empire to this war that when it begins to go the other direction people

will naturally question him as well and whether that is his allies in china and uzbekistan or whether it is people at home, you will see that phenomenon continuing. >> i will ask quickly what you mean when you say we are ready for a ukrainian victory. i seem everybody would say, we're totally ready for, it will take it. what's the not ready that concerns you? >> the not ready is that people are afraid with legitimate cause for a russian reaction. if they cannot win the conventional way will they use nuclear weapons, will they attack ukrainian civilian infrastructure. they started to do that a little bit this week. will they attack power plants and use cyber warfare in a way they have not used it so far? i don't know that we have thought through what our response would be to that. and also i don't know if we have really thought about the instability of this moment. what if something sudden and rapid happens, all we prepared to suddenly change our policy

towards russia? i hope that we, are but i worry that there is still a lot of caution, not just in the u.s. but in europe. we want the ukrainians to do well, but we are worried about what happens if they win. and i hope that we can overcome that soon, because as i said it is only when the ukrainians are perceived to win, not just in ukraine but in russia, the real pressure to end the war will begin. >> and, applebaum good to see. you and applebaum is a staff writer at the, atlantic a senior fellow at the johns hopkins school of advanced international studies. still ahead on, velshi with election deniers on the ballot for powerful positions in 27 states this fall it is clear that democracy is at stake in this year's midterms. and no state is more critical than arizona getting hobbs arizona secretary of state and the democratic nominee for governor joins me to discuss it. plus the longest serving member of the united states senate patrick of vermont joins the show. a lot has changed since he took office in 1975, especially in the past few years and now he says the senate is a, quote,

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leahy is the longest serving senator who is currently still in office. he was first elected in 1974 and took office in 1975, and was only 34 years old at the time. becoming the youngest u.s. senator to ever be elected from vermont. he was elected in the post watergate midterms following nixon's resignation. he has worked with nine presidents sense. presently is currently the president pro tem of the senate and chairman of the senate appropriation committee. he announced he would not be running for reelection this november. closing at a very eventful 48 years in office and somehow after all of that the senator found the ability to write a brand-new mom are called the road to take. in january now is the aforementioned senator from a vermont. patrick leahy. senator, thank you very. mchugh been a great friend to our show over the year. and you often get up particularly early to join us on a weekday morning. so i appreciate you being here >> no, i am happy to be with you watching your commentary

about the moon shot. i remember when then vice president joe biden came to vermont to talk about. it at the university of vermont. and recognize that many republicans, democrats, all of them came out to him and said, boy we support this. i think this is still something that, as you suggest in your commentary, to unite our country is trying to eradicate cancer. >> i want to talk about it because it is one of the few things that we can actually talk about. there are problems that need to be solved in this world that don't have to do with partisan politics. and i actually want to talk to you about this because in an interview with the washington post you spoke about why you think the senate is broken. he said that there are far too many people more interested in getting something out of the next news cycle than they are taking advantage of it being a six-year term, and doing things for the long term. tell me how you think and why that the senate has strayed

from that chamber which many people used to think it was. >> i keep copious notes. daily journals and so on starting knowing i was going to retire i started going back through those notes. and i could really sense the changes. i wrote the book primarily because of that. the senate was never perfect. what it was a lot better than it is today. and look how it came together after the nixon resignation. came together. so many issues. 9/11, things like that. today you see even with a mob is attacking in the capital, people go well, we don't know whether this was a -- election. one of the fact that joe biden had 5 million more votes than donald trump seems to sway

them. it's what can be the moments soundbite. that's not what the senate should be. i mean, you keep saying to everybody, the senator when they come in, don't worry about the next -- people do often not get reelected. think about the opportunity you have to be one of 100 representing a great country. 325 million americans. and act accordingly. that's what it was when you came there. but not that way today. >> i want to read a passage from your book in which you -- it was on the same. topic it's about keeping your word, it's about caring for an institution in believing, really believing that when institutions work and common ground is fertile, something grows that belongs to all americans and all of america wins. i am not so naive as to assume that many or even most to pick up this book can remember a time when they look at the

senate that way. not even remotely. i don't know that any of my recent colleagues can imagine my constituents thinking of the senate as a nation's conscience but i can. and i miss those days. i thought that was a very moving. you speak about it very much in the past tense. can we get that back? because if our politics don't work, what have we? >> if we don't get it back we are in deep trouble in this country. we've seen the supreme court become more politicized. and even members of the supreme court speaking the political gatherings have stolen what they are doing. that's wrong. and obviously there are going to be partisan differences to remind that in their congress or in the presidency. but there have to be underlying things where we come together. and that's not being done enough.

if it's not, the country is going to suffer. a look with happen in january six. you people saying we should separate the -- we should remove one of the seven states here and there. that is not the united states of america. and look at some of the things we face today. we have a war in ukraine. donald trump referred to putin as being a genius. joe biden was very low-key, very hardworking. and brought our allies together in ways that nato allies said they never thought they could be brought together. in this kind of unity. president biden did it. and they stopped way discussions earlier in the show but what is happening between russia and ukraine. it brought russia to a halt. it is a sea change.

i disagree of course with president trump. i don't consider putin a genius. i consider him a war criminal. >> senator leahy, we are glad to have you here. as you know one of the things we could do on the show is the velshi banned book club i expect your book will not be making the list. and that is a good thing. senator patrick leahy of vermont, he is the author -- >> and i say one thing. i have my first library card when i was four. no book should be banned. let people make up their mind. >> i'm entirely with you on that, sir. thank you for that. that is pretty impressive, first library card when you were. four democratic senator patrick leahy of vermont, he is retiring. author of the brand-new memoir, the road taken. coming up, can you guess number of books as we were just talking about that have been challenged or banned so far this year? here is a hands. yes higher. yes higher clearchoice dental implants makes every day...

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has somebody the ability to return access books every single year. the occasions called banned books week snow cuts off today. this week's event comes a time when the stakes are extremely high. so far this year the ribbon attempts to restrict or outright ban more than 1650 book titles. it is a staggering number. the theme of this year's banned books week's books unitas, censorship divides. us it is being shared by the author joins our very first meeting of the velshi banned book club. george emmett johnson. george came on the show back in february and even months later that conversation still rings true. i asked them why they're book all boys aren't blue face such fierce backlash and excessive banning. here's what they had to say. >> it is a very simple. my book tells the truth. my book tells the truth about the black experience.

tell us the truth about the queer experience. and it tells the truth about the black queer experience. so a lot of people are upset because the book gives the actual truth about the actual stories that many of us historically as young adults have been condition to think what's the truth. pushing back against the notion of the forefathers and the founders of this nation, and i gave the actual truth about what the real experience is like to grow up back and clear. in america. >> a book patronage store banned for telling the truth is actually a common refrain through the velshi banned book club meeting. that's coming, weak join p.e.n. america the new york public library and yours truly for a conversation on the long endangers her story about pinning in america. joining something at the library's flagship location in manhattan's bryan park.

sitting on the panel's former velshi banned book club feature author lori halts anderson. along with scholars fair adjustment, griffin brittani shrugs and the actor entrée to. feels joining us in person or remotely, you can do this on wednesday evening. september 21st. from six to 7:30 pm eastern. the tickets are free. and i will make sure to tweet out the information right after this show. all right. joining me right now is jonathan capehart, host of the sunday show here at msnbc. jonathan, when i was thinking about this i remember that you hosted the barbara bush foundation for family literacy, celebration of reading, earlier this year. and this issue of books and identity is very close to you. >> yeah. that was such a fun events to do. and i hope they ask me to do it again. but yeah this is not an issue that is very important to. maybe because, look ali. you know of. this and that is a beauty of your banned book club. books are supposed to soothe as much as they are supposed to

challenge. but books are also supposed to open up new worlds to us, while at the same time showing us that we are not alone but having us read stories by other people who either share our identity or do not. >> both, yeah. >> books are to educate. >> yeah, ali totally. >> i'm on the show we've a lot going on i just spoke to mayor about the crisis facing the city being sent out by governor greg abbott without any. notice that full interview is coming up in just minutes. also ali as you know,thread. one of the many signs of this is a republican calls for a constitutional convention, something which has not happened since 1787. so why? now going to drive into that with the present or common cause carrie hulbert flynn. and to lighten things up on the sunday show, we have the

fabulous and now i'm a award-winning actress sherilee brown from dream girls to tvs abbott elementary. she's an inspiration and a legend and a sunday show favorites. so ali, and they've already put in a whole day's work but i hope you will tune in because we have a packed show coming up. >> honda kickback, watching the sunday show with you. thank you my friend, jonathan. stay tuned right after velshi for the sunday show at 10 am eastern. . right after the break, as jonathan said, democracy is hanging on by a threat in parts of this country. with midterms just under two months away over the next few weeks we are going to highlight a handful of states where these states have never been higher. because of the specific threats to democracy. the first we will look at is arizona. the secretary of state and the democratic nominee for governor kenny hobbs joins me right after this. go nowhere. ter this go nowhere walgreens...millions. ♪♪ i cannot miss her big debut. with your booster, i think you'll be there. for every twirl.

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have considerable power over the running of elections in the counting of votes. many are competitive races in key battleground states. so from now until election day we are going to be taking time out on the show each weekend to examine a detail where and how democracy is at stake in this fraught political season. we're kicking off this weekend's installment with arizona. you might remember that last year arizona was the home of the cyber ninjas, the infamous fraud. in a partisan sham election audit paid for by conservative donors and the republican run state senate. the so-called auditors manipulated ballots by the millions, interfere with the security of voting machines, and ultimately concluded that joe biden won the presidency anyway. that is what was possible before. a manhunt for a moment what could happen and next time if a more competent and motivated cruel partisan conspiracy peddlers found its way into office. their preferred candidate does not win the presidency in 2024. this is where the decision. matters we might be one to find out in. arizona let's start with the

senate race. their republican candidate vocal election denier blake masters cannot seem to stop sharing his disdain of racial diversity. first it was a tasteless joke on twitter where he sarcastically connected the economies shortcomings to the record number of female black and gay officials contributing to the central banks infrastructure decisions. then masters feud what -- caused a version of the great replacement theory where he alleges the democrats are trying to encourage immigration so their party can try to dilute the powers of native born voters. now look at arizona's way -- for secretary of state. a crucial role overseeing elections in that state. the republican secretary of state candidate mark finchem was present at the capitol on january 6th. as an active member of the oath keepers and an organizer of stop the steal. he would like to strap early voting entirely and believes the state legislature will be able to veto voters picks for presidents. he is called for the arrest of arizona's current secretary of state. state katie.

hobbs who you will meet in the moment. as well as his democratic opponent despite no evidence of any crime. he is basically accused the former vice president mike pence of staging a coup against donald trump. and after all of that recent polling shows that he is tied with his opponent. finally let's look at he was running for governor in arizona. kelly lake is a former news and returns as trump slogan negotiator. similar to a former president she knowingly spread's lies or supporters such as the big lie that the 2020 presidential election was rigged. she antagonizes the media and tweeted some nonsense about me just yesterday. and encourages her supporters to do the same. just this week she posted a video cheering on the reilly go who was streaming that the media is the virus. she has claimed that immigrants are, quote, bringing drugs and crime and they are rapists. and she has made it clear that she thinks abortion is, quote, the ultimate sin. she will face off with the arizona secretary of state katie hobbs in the member. she will join us right after

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-- currently secretary of state for arizona and democratic nominee for governor. good to see you thanks for being with. us it is hard to talk about arizona, it really is. because you have a really -- your point it is not the like they say this but you have a clown car of candidates running and it would be funny, except if they win this could be the

undoing of american democracy. >> you are not wrong. there is so much at stake this election, and the good news is that we are winning this race. i've been ahead in every credible poll and i think it is because my opponent has spent her entire campaign doing nothing but spewing these crazy conspiracy theories about the election and covid and so much more. and not listening to what arizonans what. the issues we are concerned about. and is talking about how we can tap into these challenges together we are putting forward comprehensive solutions and my opponent is still focused on the 2020 election. so we have a great chance to win this race. but it is going to be tough, and i need folks to join me at the katie halves network. >> arizona is the state of john mccain and grant would some people like that. how does this go over with republicans? when you live in arizona you've got to know republicans. you must interact with them all

the time. do they look at this bunch was running it say this is nuts? >> there certainly are a lot of them that are doing that. as soon as carey like clinched the nomination, she ran off to cpac in texas. and mimicked a stabbing motion while she gleefully rejoiced about driving a stake through the heart of the mccain machine in arizona. that is not how you win over moderate republicans or independent voters. and show that you are willing to bring people together to solve our challenges. that is why we started a coalition of republicans, we released the first list of. that and it is continuing to grow. and that is how we are going to win this race. >> let's talk about the scary path that we go down if mark wins, or carry lick winds. what control might they have over the apparatus of democracy, which could play out if we have another election like we had in 2020? >> i think it is scary to think

about. because these folks are dangerous and they don't understand how elections even work. right now they have a lawsuit that they just appealed the ruling on, dismissing. it to end the use of tabulation equipment to count ballots. we will be counting ballots next year that is the, case with not a lot of accuracy. so they will continue to pursue these crazy ideas that would just so so much chaos in our elections. and make administration more difficult. and make it harder for people to vote. that is the intense here. and we have seen this kind of attack on our democracy continue to ramp up since 2020. they certainly have their sights on winning seats in 2022. so that they can change the rules and overturned the role of the voters in 2024. >> carrie like objects to the fact that you won't debate her. she seems to want to debate you. i assume you are weighing the benefit of giving air to her lies. tell me about your thinking.

>> absolutely. i am not going to share a stage with her while she does nothing but skew these crazy conspiracy theories. the gop primary debate made national news because you made a spectacle out of. it and i have no intention of making a world of the same kind of spectacle. i want to have a substantial conversation with the voters of the issues they are facing at the solutions we are offering in the comprehensive plans that we put together to address these issues on day one. and that is why i am going around and talking to voters who are there, oh you their communities. >> what does it look like to? you do it into debate to discussions with voters who have been susceptible to the big lie? and when you do at that point when somebody says, yeah, i think there are problems with the 2020 election in arizona. you are the secretary of state, you oversaw. that you have all of the receipts from it. how does that conversation go? >> well, i've been having this kind of conversation since the

2020 election. usually it's by hecklers interrupting me to try to get their point across. it is really hard to reason with people who are refusing to listen to the truth but i'm going to keep telling. it and if folks want to see the light and come over that is great. they're being misled by these leaders, and these leaders who are using their possessions to continue to view these conspiracy theories and lies. just to gain power in the next election. kenny hobbs, good to have you here. katie hobbs is a secretary of state for arizona. she is the states democratic nominee. that does it for me, thanks for watching. you can catch me next saturday and sunday morning here from eight to 10 am eastern. don't forget it's available as a podcast. you can listen to the entire show on the go. subscribe in the sun for free anywhere you get your podcasts. the sunday show with jonathan kaye part, begins right now.

>> donald trump brought out the world's tiniest violin again. lashing out of the investigation swirling around him, including the one -- we'll have the latest for the showdown on doj. moore governor shamelessly play politics with migrants lives, transporting them to democratic strongholds of little or misleading information. new york city mayor eric adams tells me how the big apple is coping. and, a senate candidates stunning reversal. >> i signed a letter with 100 another generals and admirals saying that trump won the election. damn it, i stand by that. >> i have come to the conclusion, and i want to be definitive on this, the election was not stolen. >> say what? why more republicans may be

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