before the funeral of queen elizabeth the second, people are still joining the queue to pay their respects in-person. tens of thousands have done so since wednesday. they have spent long hours waiting for the final payoff to file past the queen's coffin at westminster hall. right now, the wait is estimated at around 11 hours. it's about five miles long starting at south work park. officials are asking mourners to stop joining the lines. there will be one more night for many to wait. in the next three hours, big band will be giving a muffled strike to mark the national minute of silence as police tightened security around the capital. final preparations will be made for what is expected to be a spectacular display of national mourning. here is part of a report from and we see senior international

correspondent keir simmons on the timeline. >> at 10:44, just before 6 am eastern time, the queen's coffin will be carried on a carriage from westminster hall. the state funeral will begin at 11, six on the east coast. 2000 will be in attendance. the service will and after one hour. decorated eight workers, police, and servicemen and women will walk with the queen. at 10:06 eastern time, she will reach once or, home to monarchs for over 1000 years. entering the castle for a committal service at st. georges chapel beginning at 4 pm, 11 am on the east coast. >> in the next hour, can charles will be holding an official state reception at buckingham palace this evening for visiting world leaders.

crowds cheer for charles today as he drove into buckingham palace. president biden is expected among the dignitaries at the queens reception with first lady dr. jill biden. in the past few moments, the president and the first lady paid respects to the queen inside westminster hall. joining me now is nbc correspondent matt bradley and nbc royal commenter. what are you hearing from people so desperate to make the pilgrimage to the queen's coffin? >> andrea, we are talking about hundreds of thousands of people who have been waiting in line here where i am right now. they are insight right now of westminster palace. this is where the queen is lying unrest. when people make it here, they've been waiting in line for about seven hours. the line is supposed to be closing no more than 12 hours from now. as you can imagine, the police

are worried that they are going to get more and more people and are eventually going to have to turn people away, people in my join ally this evening and wait all night long. they don't want to show up and then be told are they waited for nothing. that police are planning on probably closing the line. the end of the line is so far away from where i am now. it's completely on the other side of the city. this has just been a logistical nightmare, a logistical challenge, i should say, for police and other officials here. they have been told, or i was told by the metropolitan police, also known as colin yard, that this is the largest logistical operation, the largest protection operation, that they have ever done in london ever. people are still queuing up. they are passionate. it's a beautiful day right now, but it hasn't always been so nice. here is what some of those people had to say. >> we were just enjoying the walk. we didn't realize it was such a

long walk. we carried on. we enjoyed the walk. we chatted about it. it's really a lovely. >> tired. tired and making. just a couple more hours. >> it's been so frustrating. it was like 3:00, 4:00 in the morning. we didn't move far like a solid our. at that point, people were getting grouchy. that's to be expected. >> a little bit difficult. maybe ten hours in the queue. i think we need to try to make our best to -- it is the last time that we can see the queen. >> this is a massive tribute to the queen. as i mentioned, it's going to end in the early hours of tomorrow morning before this huge funeral with 2000 guests, lot of them foreign dignitaries, foreign heads of state. they are going to be at westminster abbey right behind

westminster palace where i am standing in front of. after that, that sprawling funeral, we are going to see that moving on from there to windsor castle. we've heard from some people that there were more than 1000 entries in this line and around the line. more than 30 people were taken to the hospital. this has not been such an easy thing even for people who are not involved with the police. they've been hiring private security just to fill in the gaps. thousands of uniformed soldiers are going to be involved in the protection effort tomorrow. it is a huge ordeal. andrea? >> thanks to you, matt bradley. the mourners are saying that they are going to watch the funeral tomorrow on television. what are they going to be seen? this is so extraordinary. we haven't seen this on television. in 1952, there were no interior pictures of westminster.

the queen's father, king george -- >> picking up on what matt was saying, so many of the people who want to go and see the queen state they are if they're able to do that, they will be lining the streets. we are expecting about 2 million people to be lining the streets tomorrow in london. it's an unimaginable number. i think so many people, like matt was saying, either want to see the line because they want to be part of that shared experience -- do you know how nowadays you don't really get those in the real world moments where you can share something with other people? everything's online. everything is noisy and busy. a lot of people are saying that that moment when they get into seeing the coffin with the crown jewels on top is quite a spiritual or an emotional moment. before that, you have this very busy, collegiate atmosphere in the queue. i think that will carry on until tomorrow. people are going to gather and what to be with their fellow

breaths. people have come from all over the world to be part of this moment in history. in some ways, it's saying goodbye and thank you. it's also saying hello and welcome to the new kings. there are lots of different emotions. some sadness, some celebration. >> it's celebrating a legacy of duty, of service, her deep faith. those are all parts of this. she planned every moment of this, as i have been watching you for the last nine days saying. understandably, as she planned, the -- we saw all of the touches of his regimental legacy as well. >> this is something that the royal family does. they're not squeamish about talking about death and about what happens when they die. they know that it's part and parcel of who they are. they have to think about these events and planning these events so that nothing goes wrong and that nothing happens during the funeral or the procession that they wouldn't

have been comfortable with. their family know they are giving them the best possible signed off. you are absolutely right. there are been three times a year for about the last 30 or 40 years committees getting together to decide, you know, do we need to update this? do we need to modernize operation london bridge as it is called? tomorrow is going to be the culmination of that. westminster abbey is a very special place for the queen. the last time she was there was for the thanksgiving service for prince philip just last year and now today or tomorrow her final sendoff. being driven to windsor, a place she was so passionate about that she was so happy and for the much more intimate internment that will be seen tomorrow afternoon. ntthe ceremony at st. georges chapel in windsor where prince philip had his service. >> she will be reunited. he's in the royal vault underneath the chapel. he will be moved, his coffin will be moved to be alongside

hers and the chapel that she had built after her father's death 70 years ago. she will not only be reunited with prince philip but also with her sister margaret, the only royal to be cremated. her ashes are in the vault, and then also with both her parents. >> let's talk about william and harry because we have seen the two brothers reunited as they were. it was suggested that it was that king charles is suggesting that they come out together. there was a lot of study of body language and social media and tabloid speculation. there's a certain awkwardness about it, yet he was permitted in the vigil last night to wear his uniform even though he's no longer a working royal. there was an issue as to whether or not they would be at the reception for the world leaders because he, as his uncle andrew -- no longer working royals for differing reasons.

he by choice and because of his behaviors and then the scandal surrounding that. they were permitted to wear their uniforms. >> that definitely would've been the doing of the king. it would've been his desire. we are led to believe that prince harry has not been making personal pleas or pleading to the king that he wanted to wear his uniform. those around him were aware that it just wasn't a good look that he wasn't allowed to wear his uniform. i think a lot of people relieved at that. we will see the boys, the man, as they now are, tomorrow because there are processions behind the queen's coffin that both william and harry will be part of as well as charles and his siblings. we will see a number of occasions tomorrow where they will be shoulder to shoulder. as you said, people will be pouring over the body language and so on. they are both desperate for tomorrow not to be about them but to be about their grandmother and paying their respects. as you mentioned, just in the

short time behind us in buckingham palace. there's going to be an extraordinary event. multiple reigning monarchs of different countries around the world, prime ministers, presidents. that's going to be an extraordinary thing. there hasn't been a gathering of world leaders like that in a living memory. it's extraordinary. >> harry and meghan will not be there. >> they are not working royals. i don't know whether they will have been disappointed by that. i wonder whether they might be relieved in some way that the ice would not have been on them. it's certainly a really big, significant event tonight. >> as they walk behind the coffin and the gum carriage, it's so reminiscent to them. they share the legacy of the grief for their mother, diana. having done that as a 15-year-old and a 12 year old, it has to resonate.

that's a bond that could never be broken. >> exactly. when william and king charles went out on spontaneous walk about this weekend going to say thank you to all of those people chewing up through the freezing cold to get into westminster hall, we heard william saying to people that it has been difficult. it has brought those memories back and it will be difficult tomorrow. it definitely will. i think that that has been an interesting thing over the last few years, just have spontaneous walkabouts. that's a new royal family that we are seeing. >> daisy mckee andrew. thank you. lindsey reiser, my colleague, is along the queue. lindsey, i can't imagine these people lining up for so many hours. some people had been there, including david beckham, for 24 hours. >> they are happy to do it, andrea. one woman was interviewed on

sky news here. i was watching her this morning. she went into the queue twice, once with her mother and once with a resident these time waiting at least 12 hours. it's pretty chilly here along the river thames. people are happy to do whatever it takes in order to get their chance to pay their respects. other reactions are pouring in today. we have president biden and the first lady arriving here tomorrow night. we have the mentoring westminster hall not too long ago to pay their respects to her majesty lying in state. right now, as we speak, they are on their way to lancaster house. this is video of the president and first lady inside westminster hall, our first looks at this. we know that this was important for the president to be able to do this in person. he was on the uk enjoy a special relationship. these are images. >> yes, lindsey. we might hear from the president. let stand by and --

this is the condolence book. these are live pictures. they were flanked by the ambassador, the u.s. ambassador jane hartley, who was with the president. as you can see, the first lady, dr. jill biden is signing the book and we will learn later exactly what they have each run in the condolence book. they had gone west thursday night, the night of the death of the queen. if they had gone to the british embassy in washington and signed a condolence book and said some words, they most recently saw the queen at the g7 in cornwall, which was a year ago in june. she was already cutting back on her official duties but she went to the g7 to show the flag. it was the kind of thing she did. she joked with some of the leaders at that time.

it was something that president biden said afterwards. he said to my colleague peter alexander that the queen reminded him of his mother which was an interesting analogy, but it is something that we should remember. i think the picture is a little bit jumpy from inside. lindsey, as we watch these pictures of the president and the first lady signing the book talk to me again about some of the people along the way. he said they were so happy to be queuing up for these areas. >> it's been chilly. they've a coat and snacks on them. people can only bring one small bag with them. they're not allowed to bring capping here, chairs. yes in people young and old, some people saying that they are waiting in the queue for other family members who are physically able to do it are because of their schedule.

each day we have seen more and more people eager to do this. thursday was the first full day. as you approach the weekend, more people are unable to do it. i went to southern park a couple days ago where the heel begins. there was a cue for the queue. they actually were at capacity. they were letting people in any more. i was standing where the gate was. there were still groups of people coming in. as you walk closer to public transit, you would see people coming in droves. it's really remarkable to see how many people have descended upon the center of the city. un daisy we're talking about 2 million people expected on the sidelines here. there are 22 miles of crowd barriers. that gives you an idea of this security undertaking and how many people are wanting to be here in person to experience it. >> lindsey reiser thank you so very much.

i'm joined by john kirby, director of strategic communications for the national security council. he flew in with the president. john, thank you so much for being here in london on this momentous occasion. talk to me about the president's feelings. we know they're the most recent thing he said last year after his meeting the queen was that he reminded her of his mother. that's so interesting. >> it is. i think it is reflective of how much the president respects and respected his mom and his mom's fierce determination and the way she raised her family. i think he saw a lot of that in the way the queen not only raised and adored her family but also that fierce determination, that solidity here for so many decades. i had a chance earlier today to talk to a man who just left the

british army. he had been there for 20 years. the queen pinned medals on his chest three times. one was for bravery and one was for service in afghanistan. i asked, what was that like? he said it made all the difference in the world to him. it showed how much she loved us and how hard we were willing to fight for our country. >> in fact, she took very seriously her role as commander-in-chief. >> she did. >> you can see the military uniforms that she always wore when she was with the troops. you can see the military event in many ways. it is a religious event but it's also a military event. the fact of the members of the royal family are wearing the military uniforms, she's a last remaining leader to my recollection surviving -- she was in uniform in the motorcade learning to be a

mechanic. some remarkable still photos of her in black and white in uniform during world war ii. one of the reasons why her generation has had such loyalty is that she was one of the greatest generations. she was the first british monarch to come as i observed as a reporter in 1984 to the first of the normandy commemorations were all the leaders were gathered and again in 1994. that was with ronald reagan. he was hosting president clinton, taking him in the first lady on the royal yacht britannica taking it from portsmouth and coming over toward the channel. all of those commemorations were of a great military ally victory. >> she has such a role in so many of those historic events. think about what she saw. it wasn't just her witness from

world war ii today. it was the leadership she demonstrated in evaded kingdom. it was the way which she shepard the military participation in those conflicts. >> i know you are in a civilian role now. i should point out our audience that you have navy service. you are an admiral when i first met you. it was at the pentagon. i know you appreciate the military connections. speaking of the military, let me turn to ukraine. the president is going to be meeting next week with the un at the general assembly with

lustrous, the new prime minister, one of the last people to see the queen when she was presenting her credentials. that was only two days before she passed away. extraordinary that she was still doing her doing up until the very end. there is a lot -- there so much at stake right now in ukraine. many people in nato and among our closest allies are celebrating ukraine's recent victories in the northeast. there is caution that i'm hearing from the administration and some of our closest allies including our western european allies, that we still don't know what vladimir putin's response will be of his back is against the wall. most recently, both india and china, his two most important remaining allies and sanction avoiders, have expressed concern. both the leaders are saying they are not happy about the war.

what might he do? mighty return to weapons of mass destruction, to chemical or tactical nuclear weapons? >> it's difficult to know exactly how he will react to -- there's only one way to put it, and that's the failures that he continues to experience on the battlefield. particularly in the northwest in the donbas region but also in the south. he has acted -- he has conducted retaliatory strikes that we have seen in the last few days. those were on civilian infrastructure in the the power grid in ukraine. that's in response to the advances of the ukrainian military has made up here in the north. we don't want to see this escalate anymore than it already has. it's already been so hurdle on the ukrainian people. think about the mass graves that we are seeing out of izium. no one wants to see this escalate. you and i have talked about this before. the escalation of the conflict has been something on our mind since the very beginning.

another had, ukraine was invaded. they were invaded illegally on unprovoked way. they absolutely have the right and the responsibility to defend themselves and their territory. they are doing that. what we are going to do is continue to support them. you saw the president just signed out another $600 million of drawdown authority a few days ago. more ammunition for rocketed stumps more artillery rounds for them so they can continue these counteroffensives. we're going to keep doing that. >> i know the drones are very significant. there is reporting in the new york times today that there is concern in the white house by the president that if we give ukraine of the heavier equipment that they are requesting there will be a reaction from vladimir putin that we certainly don't want to see. how do you resolve that concern? >> i think i would --

since the very beginning, two things have been true, andrea. >> let me interrupt you because we are seeing another condolence book being signed by the president. i assume we will learn a bit later from the gathering pool that has been traveling with him. i'm sure it's personal and a deeply felt commitment. he may be saying something after this. do you know if he will? >> i think it's possible. >> i interrupted you as you were talking about the level of support. >> since the beginning we have been working in lockstep with the ukrainians, andrea and we have been trying to provide them the capabilities they need testified a valves. that's why they come in trenches. that's why they come in groupings like this.

the flight has changed. the very early weeks, it was javelin anti tank missiles and stinger air defense missiles that they needed. it's artillery now. the rockets assumes that they want will give them deeper range because the fight is on more open road. in the donbas, it's not a light kansas. there's a lot of farm won't open flatland. the russians have established defensive lines in the south. these artillery rockets is sims hello ukrainian rock to get distance. they can supply legitimate russian military targets. we're going to keep talking about the capabilities they need going forward. i think we're always doing the best we can to monitor the russian reactions to -- monitor russian military activities. we have seen nothing that would

give us pause to really think our own strategic posture. this is something that we are watching all the time. >> speaking to some european allies recently, their consensus is that he will never give up. it would be the end for him. he will go to any length if is airy >> we hope that's not the case. >> i can say that the ones who stick send out in your mind are the ones whose relationship interaction with you is consistent with a reputation. with we noticed of the castle 40 and was joking about crumpets, she kept offering more and kept eating everything she put in front of me. she was the same person as her image. decent, honorable, all about service.

our hearts go out to the royal family, to king charles and all the family. it's a loss that leaves a giant hole. sometimes, you think you will never overcome it. as i have told her, she's going to be with him every step of the way, every minute every moment. that's reassuring notion. our hearts go out to you. we were fortunate to have at her for 70 years. we all work. the world is better for it. thank you. >> why does she remind you of your mother? >> the way she touched when she leaned over. she had outlook. are you okay? anything i can do for you? make sure you do what you are supposed to do.

>> what did you think she meant to the wider world beyond the uk? >> the american president heard me say for a long time that i think that the thing that is -- maybe it's too much -- it's about treating people with dignity and talking about how my mother and father thought that everyone, no matter who they were, no matter where they were fraud, no matter where they were stationed deserved to be treated with dignity. that is exactly which communicated. i think what you gave us a sense of maybe above all the notion of service. we all owe something. there is something within our capacity to do that can make things better. you can make our neighborhood better, your household better, your workplace better.

that is what she communicated to me, anyway. it was an honor to meet her. it was an honor to meet her. which where are we going? >> this was. >> with that, it's really extraordinary. he spoke of dignity, honor, and service. he answered a question about why she reminded him of his mother. he said to peter alexander after the g7, he said that, you know, service and dignity, but doing what you have to do. >> the way she treated everybody. that sense of duty. duty is the wanting that comes to mind when you think of the queen. for 70 years, always putting the nation first. >> i'm also struck and we know the way for the president speak openly about the grief over the death of his family of beau and his first wife and child.

there's always a hole in your heart. she says that people in times of loss. there will always be a hole in your heart, but she will be with you every step of the way. that was very personal. that was so joe biden. >> very poignant. the president is never afraid to talk about his own struggle with grief and what he had to go through and how we came out on the other side. for people that get to know the president and get to talk to him, certainly those who have suffered grief, they see it in his eyes. they can feel that he knows what they are going through. before i let you go, john, i want to ask you about friday night in the meetings with the griner and will in families. that gets back to the way he responds to people. this is why cherelle griner wanted to meet with him because she had been persuaded by trevor reed's family that when you meet with joe biden he

connects. they are analogize-ing it to the fact that trevor reed got out. having met cherelle griner and met elizabeth whelan maybe he will agree to something. we talked about this on friday. there's no deal on the table because the russians have no -- >> there is a deal on the table. we have put it forward. it's a serious deal. it's a serious offer. we urge the russians to take it. it was important for the president to meet with both the whelan and the griner family so they could look him in the eye as he of dedicated he is to getting them home. he is absolutely committed to that. we're not giving up. we will continue to work today to get those two back with their families where they belong. >> ultimately it will be the decision of the president. as i have been told by the former u.s. ambassador who was part of a major spy swamp if he

will, some years ago -- he was an ambassador in russia. it's the president who has to decide. the prosecutors fbi the intelligence community are usually opposed to giving these people up. if the president of the united states who asked to make the tough decision. those are tough trade-offs. >> there is no easy decision here no matter how this comes out. it will be the result of some difficult decisions. you're right, andrea. he takes that responsibility very, very seriously. >> john kirby i can't thank you enough. thank you for being with us to talk about it all. we will follow up as the neighbor grasses. >> i will see you at the un for sure. absolutely. great to be with you. >> a very interesting what if question came up with the press this morning about what could happen to the january 6th committee after the midterm elections. we will talk about that coming up next. stay with us. it's five miles long now,

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how are you holding up? it's about one years anniversary since the horrible hurricane there. >> yeah, andrea. category one of is now barreling over puerto rico. you can actually see the intensity of the one in the rain. you can see the palm tree starting to bend like twigs under the weight of this storm. i'm talking about some 60, 70, 80, even 90 mile per hour gusts of wind which are blowing. there you go right there. a big concern here on the island is the already fragile power grid. this week marks the fifth year anniversary of hurricane maria, which wreaked havoc on the power grid here on the islands. many are wondering if it will be able to stand up to the intensity of the storm. right now, all flights in and out of puerto rico have been canceled. the ports here are also closed. officials are urging everyone

on this island to take this storm seriously and with good reason. we've already seen some flooding in the region. deadly flash flooding is a concern as our mudslides. we've been here on the ground over the last several days. officials are urging people to evacuate before things get worse. we know there are shelters open on the island right now where people are seeking refuge and shelter from this storm. right now, again, we have been waiting for this is slow-moving storm to arrive. it has arrived and it is packing quite a wall up on the island right now. i should mention that this is also a deadly storm. it has claimed at least one life that we know of on the french korean island of guadeloupe. officials are hoping to avoid any similar fates. we will continue monitoring conditions here they are expected to deteriorate over the next several hours and even days. andrea? >> thanks to george solis. stay safe. not a good situation at all.

the politics now, new nbc polling out today. 45% of registered voters say they approve of president biden's overall job. that rating is up three points from last month. in that same poll, voters are now split on congressional preference at 46% for both parties. some interesting nuggets as we dive deeper into the numbers. democrats are seeing an advantage in support from women or relatives are seeing an advantage among men. basically, equal gender gaps. there is a noticeable shift in the -- the republican party is favored in its handling of border security. the poll shows voters favor democrats when it comes to handling issues of protecting democracy, education, abortion, and health care. meanwhile, the states are growing for the january six committee to finish its investigation before the midterms. earlier today on meet the press,

senate judiciary chair addict urban was asked whether his committee could pick up the mantle in the summit if democrats hold the senate will lose the house. >> if there's more work to be done, you but i will. there's one key difference in the senate judiciary committee in order to issue a subpoena you need bipartisan agreement to do it. that's not the case and the house, as i understand. if the republicans want to resist this, it's going to be difficult to continue the investigation. i hope the house gets it to them. >> just to point out, just behind us, cheers from the ground as the motorcade passed just behind me with king charles and the queen consort camilla. returning here to the politics of the day, the newly appointed special master will be the materials seized from mar-a-lago. they will be meeting with the

department of justice and with donald trump's legal team on tuesday. judge raymond dearie has until november 30th to complete his review of the documents. this comes as the department of justice attempts to get access to the classified documents seized and is appealing a small part of that ruling from the florida judge last week. joining me now is paul butler a, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. we have mark leave itch, a stafford over the atlantic. he's an author of thank you for your service to, donald trump's washington and the price of admission. mark is also an msnbc political contributor. thank you so much. mark, as you look at the polls, the latest polls, what strikes you besides the gender gap and the huge divide on issues? >> what is striking to me is i was a little surprised to see -- look, it's basically in the same range for a number of months. if you look at the last few

weeks, beginning with his decision to act on student loan forgiveness and even the bad inflation numbers for about a week ago, those are moments where a lot of people said, okay, this is going to end the momentum that the president has had over the summer. presumably, these polls have been taken through those periods. he has built up not just the momentum, he has not just continued on the momentum but he's also build up some resiliency through those gaps and other things happen through that through whether it's on threats of democracy and -- news events like president. the resilience in there is what struck me. >> the other thing that has changed is mar-a-lago, the search, and donald trump's response to it in some of his more recent comments. it wouldn't show up in this ball, but most recently, just the other night, he said that if he is indicted, we will see trouble that we have never

seen. i'm paraphrasing here. that new nbc poll also shows that 56% of all voters say investigations into donald trump should continue. that includes 92% of democrats and 56% of independents, but only 90% of republicans believe this. why are these investigations becoming so politicized? there's no way they couldn't be. there's no way they couldn't be [inaudible] the fact is, these hearings going forward, they're not stopping. they're going through the election. mar-a-lago -- it looks like it could be in a bit of a holding pattern as the special master rules on some of this evidence. it might happen quicker than we think. it could also happen after the midterms. i think january 6th could return to prominence here. what is interesting is that there was a belief over several months that things like

abortion or threats to democracy or abstractions to a lot of voters -- they are showing up extremely prominently not just in polls but also in exit polling based on some of the recent results. this is something that is going to continue to be an issue for republicans. when trump gives speeches like he did last night and there are polled responses about how when you keep reading the stories about how x number of republicans running for statewide office across the country are not going to accept election results no matter what, i mean, that's not only troubling on its face, but it's also not a good look for a party that is trying to reach swing voters. look, you can say that 19% of republicans only 19% of republicans think that these investigations need to continue. that's actually a pretty high number. if republicans lose 20% or 19% of their base here i mean that's a huge game-changer, especially in a close election. >> the proof of that --

some of the most prominent senate candidates in arizona and new hampshire and just the last few days have had complete conversions. maybe? an election denier? a complete conversion. they need those independent voters. paul butler, let's talk about judge raymond dearie. he's highly respected. this will be a brooklyn hearing. he's a senior judge, on emerita's judge, if you will. this will be a very heavy duty indeed. he's going to conduct his first order of business. we want to drill down on this remarkable decision by the federal judge in florida. she questioned the things that were not even disputed by the trump lawyers. she was questioning whether the fbi had seized those documents

from mar-a-lago. how can we believe the fbi? that's what she was saying. she was questioning whether the documents themselves were really classified. she was putting into contention undisputed issues and to have that decision not only halting investigation for all intents and purposes but also all the damage assessment because according to most lawyers if you can't do a damage assessment which could then implicate things that could come up from a witness and then not be usable in a potential trial -- the defense attorney would say that there was a change before there was proper authority. >> the judge sided with trump on almost everything. in one example that you mentioned, the judge claimed that it is disputed whether documents or classified. that's only disputed on fox news. trump's lawyers have never said in court that trump

declassified those materials. judges are supposed to base their decisions exclusively on admitted evidence and the sworn testimony of witnesses. judge cannon admits that she is giving trump a special consideration because he's a former president. that's inconsistent with the rule of law and equal justice. we don't have a separate criminal procedure for ex presidents. the judge is essentially making this up as she goes along. that is leading to all of these bizarre decisions. >> one other question is, what do you expect in the 11th circuit? either side could win with a three judge panel. the other side could ask for another hearing on all of the judges. if you go to the supreme court. how long a delay would this be? >> as long as the 11th circuit wants to take. there are now two separate tracts of court proceedings

around the special master's. we start to stay with -- the kind of security clearance. the justice department is appealing the decision of the judge that mainly sided with donald trump and stop criminal investigations from using those documents that were seized at mar-a-lago. all of this will substantially to lay the criminal investigation which we know was trump's typical strategy in court proceedings. >> thank you so much to paul butler and mark leibovitz. to the ongoing controversy over republican governors busing and flying migrants from the u.s. mexico border to blue states up north. it comes as the new nbc news poll shows how voters feel about each party's approach to these issues. 56% of those surveyed say that republicans are better handling border security compared to 20%

over democrats approach. when it comes to immigration, republicans have 46% of -- democrats have 29%. joining me now is don calloway, democratic strategist and ceo of pine street strategies, susan del percio, republican strategist, an msnbc political analyst and former congressman from florida david jolly who is also an msnbc political analyst. democrats say what governor desantis is doing is a political stunt. how do you interpret what is happening? how might this so-called political stunt affect the voters? >> it's extraordinary that political stunt. it underscores what we do all the time about the administration and its accolades, which is that the cruelty is the point. i think and hope and believe that it would cost republicans very badly in the upcoming midterm. what we saw with to scientists

and the migrants is nothing short of human trafficking. i think -- [inaudible] you don't have to be pro-life to be pro roe. what we are going to see is these disastrous proportions underscored by lindsey graham and -- [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] >> how do you see this playing out? some republicans are arguing that these governors are simply trying to highlight an issue that is not getting enough attention from the administration. >> it is an issue we are

highlighting, but absolutely not in the way that these governors are choosing to do so. we shouldn't kid ourselves. eventually, there will be some tragedy associated with transporting people this way. it seems to me that texas handles its cattle but all than they are handling these emigrants. it's just so fundamentally wrong. i do think this is going to really hurt both of these governors. i don't think that it will help them in the midterms. it goes with the messaging to independent women voters who hate to see people and children treated in this manner. >> david jolly, this comes as the nbc news reports that there is friction between the white house and dhs officials over dhs's plan to manage overcrowding at the border by flying migrants to cities further inland which would kind of be a replication to a lesser

extent of what these governors are doing, even to the canadian border. the white house has said no. republican seem to think they are winning on this issue. how do you see it? >> the truth is, for two decades, the border problem has not been solved through multiple administrations. that's true of the biden harris administration which ran on a platform of competence. joe biden initially tasked the vice president to try to solve this it hasn't been solved. it's a multi generational problem. i think the problem with how we are looking at the actions of these republican governors is to suggest that there is equity between their response and the actual problem at the border. there is not. nothing that ron desantis did further a policy changing u.s. border security. it was an active outright cruelty. i think a lot of republican politicians to make the mistake of trying to emulate donald trump's strongman approach to politics by acting cruelly. they don't come off strong. they just come off cruel. that's what happened with ron

desantis. these 48 lives were not in florida. they were in texas. he manipulated their travel to ultimately get them to the democratic state of massachusetts. that's a disgusting moment by the florida governor. there are not two sides to this. we recognize that their actions as not in furtherance of border security policy change. it's just cruelty. >> david jolly, susan calloway, thank you so very much. turning here to london, a state reception to buckingham palace behind us is about to begin. dignitaries are arriving from around the world, including president biden and the first lady. their motorcade just went by moments ago. maybe we can see that. daisy mick andrew is with me. meanwhile, authorities are also, as you can imagine, bracing for hundreds of thousands of people expected to line the route of the the funeral possession tomorrow.

it's the largest security operation ever undertaken by london police. let's talk about that. notably, british police are not armed, but we're going to have armed soldiers there. the bobbies will not be armed, as i understand. we're going to have british military. i remember when i was in cornwall at the g7 that we thought that was good security. i was meeting with the scottish and irish regiments of police at the airports who were being flown in from all over the uk. this is even -- >> this is off the scale. i've been watching all the motorcades of police outriders and most of the bikes. it's been extraordinary watching heads of state command. it's been like a ballet the way they have been going around buckingham palace. you can see the same as buses coming in behind me. there been a lot of the ip is being boston.

jacinda ardern said, what's the big deal? we always get on buses. there are three big buses behind you know which are bringing in the last of the vip's. we've just seen president biden come with his huge cavalcade behind us. we saw looking and camilla, the queen on, shortcoming it. there was a bit of a hurray from the grounds. this is a huge -- 10,000 police are lining the streets tomorrow and today. i think we have a shot there of the president's limousine it known as the beast. we see the first lady getting out. this is for the reception, as you pointed out. this is going to be a very large reception for world leaders who were here. there is the president. he's hosted by the working royals. that does not include andrew, harry, or meghan. they of course include all of

the others. >> oh the others. we know that kate, catherine, has had a meeting with president zelenskyy of ukraine's wife. there were pictures of that released a few minutes ago. there are a lot of bilaterals going on behind the scenes. no real politics were led to believe as is appropriate. this is all to do with respecting the queen. this is once in a lifetime in many ways for all these heads of state to be in one place marking the end of the rain of the queen in the beginning of the right of the king. >> we are going to return to these pictures. some extraordinary moments here in london. i'm so privileged to be here with you, daisy. we're going to take a quick break and be back in a few moments. you're watching msnbc. you're watching msnbc.

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buckingham palace in london where today is a day of prayer, tears, and preparation ahead of tomorrow's stay funeral for queen elizabeth. i am andrea mitchell, alex win is off. what is happening now a reception at buckingham palace behind me. king charles is hosting world leaders who are in town for the former queen's funeral less than 24 hours away. president biden among the dignitaries just arriving moments ago at that reception. just in the last hour we saw him arriving earlier at