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time. and how abortion and trump are getting democrats a big -- boost as president biden's approval numbers rise. all of that and more on msnbc news polling heading into this midterm election. you are watching simone, we have a lot to get into. >> new fallout today from the latest chapter in the country's escalating migrant crisis. the republican governors of texas and florida are playing political gains with the lives of vulnerable people seeking legal asylum in the u.s. by continuing to send men, women, and children north to democrat run cities and states. this weekend, another busloads of migrants arrived outside

vice president -- and six more buses, full of migrants arrived in new york city. texas governor abbott is believed to be behind this operation. new york's mayor, eric adams is calling it inhumane. >> they were given misinformation, some of them were tagged as your treating cattle. this was part of a political ploy, and that is what we need to understand. this is to cover up the erosion of human rights that both of those governors have been participating in. >> now, the other governor that he's referring to there is desantis who ran for two claims to fly asylum seekers from texas to martha's vineyard. calls are growing for investigation on how a florida governor got migrants in texas on planes. boston immigration attorney rachel self-told of the media, in martha's vineyard, that the migrants were deceived, in many ways, including being instructed to contact the wrong

federal agency about changing their address. here is more of what she had to say. >> it is clear that this was an intentional attempt to ensure that these migrants or removed when they failed to change their address with a proper agency. before they boarded the planes, the migrants were processed by agents of the department of homeland security. who listed falsified addresses on the migrants paperwork, agents apparently chose random homeless shelters all across the country from washington to florida. to list the migrants mailing addresses. according to the paperwork provided to them, the migrants required to check in to i.c.e. officers by the fake addresses chosen for the media treasury permanently removing the united states. >> so, was it just cruel? or was it also illegal? i wanna bring in boston world political reporter samantha gross. samantha, governor desantis is

proudly taking credit for the flights of migrants to martha's vineyard. lots of questions are now swirling around what happened in texas before they boarded that plane. now, a promise of rights groups has -- mayor healy, and rachel rollins, the u.s. attorney for massachusetts to open up and criminal destination into all of this. what can you tell us about that? >> yeah so in letters to attorney general mark healy, and the u.s. eternity for massachusetts, rachel rollins, the group lawyers which are based here in boston wrote that they believe that migrants were induced to board airplanes and cross state lines under false pretenses. so, they are pushing for an investigation to get some of these questions answered about what exactly these folks were told in kind of how their paperwork was processed before they got onto these planes. others have made similar asks for such investigations. they represented dylan front and as who represents this area in massachusetts state house that is repeatedly called for

this in california gave a new storm has laid in calling for an investigation into what happened with this group of about 50 migrants. >> desantis's got moves that not only got the -- angry democrats in massachusetts. -year-old -- rhoden article into which he wrote the politicians are calling into investigation whether the migrants abrupt relocation to the island and martha's vineyard was illegal. what can you tell us about, specifically, about that issue of whether or not it was illegal and whether or not action will be taken on a legal front? >> immigration attorneys have been speaking on this. this is where these democrat officials are trying to listen. these attorneys are saying, based on interviews with migrants here in massachusetts, they're being told that these focus were allure to the promise of being flown to boston where jobs and housing we're awaiting them. and so, being promised a job that does not exist as a serious legal issue if that was the deciding factor for people getting on these planes. you know, u.s. attorney has

been saying that she weighed legal possibility, but right now there is a lot to know about what this will look like in the future. >> i have only about a minute left here but i have to tell you, how the migrants are doing and how they found -- the national guard, what else is being done to help asylum seekers? >> yeah, charlie walker did activate the national guard and did bring these folks on friday from a martha's vineyard from edgartown. onto a bus, unto a theory, then to the mainland of massachusetts to cape cod where they are currently at the joint base of cape cod. i've been texting with some of these folks here after they arrived, and they said that they were meeting with attorneys, they were getting medical care. a lot of them had some dental needs. they were able to kind of you, no rest a little bit. but these are hard times. a lot of them have kind of been

going through, you know, a lot of travel, from one place to another, so they're still very much trying to settle that a bit and figure out what their options are. >> samantha, thank you so much for being with us tonight, appreciated. now i want to bring in democratic congressman -- gonzalez of texas. congressman, you are governor, greg abbott seems to be some kind of partnership with florida governor ron desantis with these migrants. what can you tell us about what you think is going on here? >> well, it is deceptive and it is cruel to these migrants. and i think, we have the governor of florida playing monkey see monkey deal with what he thinks will get some political credit for. but it is awful what they are doing to these venezuelan migrants, may i say people who are running for authoritarian communist dictatorships that are coming to our shores, no different than cubans and south florida, another venezuelans and who are no different than

north korean's and people who have historically been treated differently because of the government that they're fleeing from. so, i think he certainly at the very minimum picking the wrong migrants to use as a political ploy and send them up to the northeast and parts of this country. so, it is cruel, it's unusual, it is an american. that is not who we are as a country. i don't think the majority of his constituents in florida identify with this. >> do you believe that governor desantis and abbott have broken the law. and if you do believe that, what do you believe the legal consequences should be for that? >> yes, well at the very minimum i think that we need to investigate into a thorough investigation as to what laws may have been broken. but i think that there should be a potential cause of action against not only the states who are doing this, the behavior, the deception that they used to lure these poor migrants into getting into a bus or getting into a plane, to move them out this far away.

i heard that they kept him in a la quinta for five days, organizing them before they were shipped off to massachusetts. it is just cruel, mean. i don't think the american people would identify with this behavior. i also think that these best companies, and these organizing of their private contractors, these flights that are being taken, could potentially open themselves up for civil liabilities. so, if i were them, i would caution them to be very thoughtful in carrying out this type of negative bad behavior on to governors. >> congressman, the images these women, men, children, reminding us of 1960 to the southern cast segregation is playing for black citizens to go north until that there will be jobs waiting for them. the so-called reversed reader rides were not only recorded as a stunning act of cruelty, but they didn't work. southerners were welcomed, what do you think was the -- shipping these migrants to

northern states? what's the outcome? >> many of these states, many of these communities they will be welcomed. and they will have citizens that will go out of their ways to find them jobs, shelters, food, get their kids into schools. and do the humane thing. but it really is a huge blemish on a few states, right? because most texans, i would tell, you will not agree with this type of behavior. we have issues on our border that we all want to address, with thoughtful policy. but with political stunts like this, that impact the lives of human beings, regardless of how you feel about them. now especially children, putting children in buses, and planes, and carding them off to unknown places in this country is just cruel to the core. and i think there will be consequences for it. >> as you mentioned, the migrants in this particular case that were sent to massachusetts are venezuelan,

they're seeking asylum from -- medora. there's no way to secure the border there. those people need compassion. you filed a bill called the safe zone act. can you explain to us how the safe zone act would work? >> absolutely. the safe zone is no different than what we're already doing here on monday in my district of the southern border of texas. would like to see created is a safe zone on the border of mexico and guatemala, on the guatemala side, and maybe other countries down the road where asylum seekers can come in safely and ask for asylum no different than our southern border. they do it further away, which we take the cartel element out of the equation. these migrants are paying cartels between six and $8,000 ahead. so, cartels are made billions of dollars transporting migrants towards the southern

border. they said he would eliminate that. he would make it a safer venture, they would have to make this 1500-mile trek to our southern border where many times women are raped, children are abused. and certainly, they've taken advantage of by criminal organizations. we should find a humane way to deal with them, and then orderly way to deal with them. and even if we use the -- standard that's a low standard that we use at the southern border now, if we did it at that junction in guatemala, honduras, el salvador, and off of our border,. we do it in a humane way. ultimately, fly them in a way to final destination. if we get them to the southern border, why not send them off further away? >> i find this proposal fascinating about how they have so many questions, because i don't excellently understand how it works. i will ask you two quick questions. we have a minute left here. one is, how is the u.s. government set up as a zone of

safety in another country? and number two is, if someone's filing for a foreign country asylum in which they say that they don't feel safe, does that not undercut their safety claim? that they would stay there and wait for the asylum process to work its way through? >> we would create a safe zone and we've done this in war zones. we had a green zone in iraq. this would be much easier. i'm talking about doing it in a first-class humanitarian way with american contractors in conjunction with local governments. i have met with the president of guatemala to get his approval on this project, and with the prior president. this is the only real way to bring solutions to our southern border. about the only bipartisan group of members of congress to our border who are looking to find a solution, not for political props, but during the trump administration, people came down here and said, children are being caged. during the biden administration are now hearing saying that children and women are being abused. at the end of the day, for the

from the southern border of texas, you understand this area. we understand how to bring solutions, and this is not new, historically we have had problems for decades, since i was a child. and we will continue to have them. and until we build real and long term infrastructure further down that will treat people humanely, we will continue to deal with issues on the southern border. i'm talking about doing it in a first-class way. as humanitarian -- >> unfortunately, i am out of town -- time councillor gonzalez. thank you so much, we'll be following your proposal though, and hopefully it'll make -- its >> thank you. >> to congress. coming up this hour, uproar, outrage, following a trump appointed judge ruling on classified documents for mar-a-lago -- legal battle. we'll break it all down. again, what is next, and what is coming ahead this week. plus, president biden, and first lady jill biden paid respects to queen elizabeth the second. it we will have a live report on that ahead in this hour. but first, tom --

is here with today's other top stories. >> a charles, good to see. a little sneak peek there. fiona, now hurricane, makes landfall on the southwestern coast of puerto rico. wind gusts reaching 85 miles an hour. the governor says the entire island is without power. the un is likely to strengthen yet further in the days ahead as it heads towards the american republic. and now, to a different storm in alaska. it is one of these storms, strongest in a decade. that storm surge there the residual of a typhoon pulled homes off of their foundations. no deaths, no injuries reported so. for the government declared a disaster emergency. and new allegations of international war crimes as another mass grave who -- was found in eastern ukraine. crews found more remains this weekend with hundreds of people buried in a territory that was captured from russia. ukrainian troops say that they found evidence of torture, and makeshift prisons used by russian forces. more simone, right after this break.

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keep in mind we know the deal jay is looking into trump's potential breaches of the espionage act, and presidential records act. we also know that theory has this 11,000 documents to review for verification, and privileged information. so what should we expect this tuesday? and for the investigations timeline looking forward, that is the first item on the docket for today's political panel. charlie savage is a msnbc political contributor in washington correspondent for the new york times and joins -- joyce fans is a spin msnbc analyst. welcome to you both. joyce, we have information into the timeline of this case. judge cannon -- she also directed directly to prioritize the document review. translate this for us. how much time are we looking at here? how fast this move or the review drag beyond november midterms? >> at this point, we don't

know. this is largely in the hands of judged erie. special master dairy, now, complicating factor of the government's appeal only as regards to the classified documents in this big a massive 11,000 or so documents, the government's appeal, which may end up seeing parts of that situation resolve by three judges in atlanta. a lot of complicating factors. there are some folks who believe that it is judge diaries reputation for being relatively slow to move his cases that played a role in team trump's recommendation that he be selected with the special master. the case is pretty clear. this is a sort of straightforward cut through the document. trump's alleged attorney client privilege, instance those documents clearly aren't, that should be pretty straightforward. by the same token, classified documents don't belong to former president, and judged

erie shouldn't have any trouble excluding those documents that should go back to the former president. so, he could be a little bit more expeditions here than some folks expect. >> with all of that said, what will you specifically be looking for on tuesday? specifically, for this conversation as it relates to the timeline? >> judge jerry has asked the parties to file with him, in writing, on tuesday. these documents should be publicly available. they'll be docking ants, what questions each party would like him to take up early on. i suspect we will see a very different scope from both sides. trump won extensive review of every document, and then some. the government is likely to say that the classified materials are now in the hands of the 11th circuit. judged area does not even need to look at them and can proceed with other materials relatively quickly because there's only a very small number of documents that are allegedly covered by the attorney client privilege.

it will be the question of which of those competing visions of a timeline he adopts that will help us appreciate what's special master's timeline will look like. >> charlie. the d.o.t. is blocked from using any of the material seized at mar-a-lago last month. and its investigation, in till judged erie as reviewed, the agency is just pointed out that it's appealed to use the classified documents, which is about 100 or so documents. how do you see that issue playing out? >> one of the things that judge cannon dating her refusal to herself was given permission to keep using a classified document that led to the appeal that joyce was just talking about. she put in kind of a, in session, and by putting a kind of shadow clarification or even narrowing of what she meant by how they could make no investigative purpose noose of the document.

well, they can present them to the grand jury, they can't use their contents to ask questions of witnesses for the purpose of criminal investigation. but they can still ask questions about the documents as a whole. they can still try to track how the documents made their way to the white house, to mar-a-lago, who had access to them and so forth. so there's a lot of things that are surrounding these documents that the fbi remains with, and interested in, and trying to figure out. chief among them, who told the two trump attorneys to tell the justice department in june that there were no more documents about classified -- after they received a subpoena for it. i think they might be able to still ask those questions without getting into the red territory, but she has still excluded from them. >> charlie, want to stick with you here in move to the january 6th investigation. here's new comments on the judiciary committee sharing -- on nbc's meet the press,

moderators asked if the judiciary committee would take over the january six investigation if democrats lose the house in the midterms. here is how senator durbin responded. >> i want january six committee's to work in the house and if there's more work to be done, amendment positions, and i'm there to call, i will. there is one key difference in the senate judiciary committee in order to issue a subpoena, you need bipartisan claim to do it. that is not the case as i understand it in the house. so, if the republicans want to resist this, it's gonna be difficult to continue the investigation. i hope the house gets it to them. >> we have a little minute left here, charlie, but all of this increases pressure on the january six committee to speed up their investigation if that is in fact possible. do you believe that the house can wrap up its work by the end of the year? or is there the potential that this could spill over into next year and be taken over by republicans? what would that mean for the d.o.t.'s investigation? >> if republicans retake the

house and it still looks like the most likely option there, of the midterm election, i think the committee is over. they just shut it down. i think that everybody on the committee knows that. i think that their discussion of it seems to contemplate a couple of more hearings, a few more maybe gaps there, i think that they know that they have secret service talks to be had, and are trying to promote stephen, and jimmy thomas. so, there may be one more hearing about new information. whether those are big deals or small, we don't know. we know that they want to have a hearing about recommendations going forward, how to prevent political violence,, and prevent repeats of june 6th and overturning the election, generally. they've also talked about having a draft on their reports circulating in mid october before the mid election, and finalizing it by december. they certainly seem to be on

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abortion. what's more, voters democrats -- by about 22%, which is an all-time high for them in the nbc news poll. our political panel is here to discuss. switching him to host a, is a democratic strategist, and rick wilson is a former republican strategist and cofounder of the lincoln project. welcome to you both. rick, the american people have consistently supported women's rights to make decisions about their own bodies. grams implication that there is somehow some support for a national abortion ban is simply at odds with reality. what is happening here? >> you know i think that lindsay's rather desperate right now because for generations the intensity of voting behavior driven by abortion was apocryphal, and demonstrably, on the right. and the people voting on abortion were almost exclusively on the right. now what they've done with don's is that the dobbs of caught the car and this is

activated women any republican electorate, the independent, across the spectrum. it's not that they are raging, planned parenthood, it's that they don't love people like lindsey graham making their decisions for them, especially in cases of rape, and incest of the mother, where a lot of the states of oregon which is even further more extreme than one gram is proposing which takes a lot. >> sochi, graham's proposal is clearly out of step of the american public. how can democrats effectively use that to their benefit? >> >> well, when lindsey graham did was just remind us, and all women voters across these states, the republicans are for a national abortion ban. if they take control of the house and the senate, we will see passage of a national abortion ban instead of roe v. wade, ratified, and ensuring that women have a right to

abortion. i have to agree with my friend here who is a republican, i normally don't agree with republicans, but we'll say is that independent voters, democrats, others, they do support of a right to choose. one thing the democrats have to do is make clear what the threat is ahead of november. democrats were very clear about what they stand for. now they need to tell people exactly, not only with a stand for, but what republicans would do if they were given power in the house, and in the senate. >> rick, we have new approval numbers for president biden, and the poll found that -- registered voters thought -- biden is getting a highest marks since october. can he maintain that momentum, or is this kind of a seasonal thing? we know the polls go up and down, but we have a consistent, for a month or so, maybe two months --

better for biden, can he be making it? >> you always want to have the trim line, the vector moving in the correct direction, especially in the last 50 days or so of the election. i think the president has benefited tremendously from a declining gas prices, by some moderation of inflation, not as much as anybody would want, but by the success of his support of ukraine, support of the ukrainian government, and their fight against russia. i think he's done well on the legislative process. right now it's buckling, tackling, keeping the ball rolling. it does not have to do anything amazingly it is helping democrats count the ballots all the way down the ballot. no one expected. it including a lot of democrats, they thought that they would have it all on their own this, year but it's really help with the numbers that have gone almost ten points over the last six weeks or so. >> so, the same poll found that positive -- feelings towards president

donald trump, a new low, which is only 34%, i think it's a new low for this year, meanwhile negative feelings towards him are at 54%. rick, i want both you and sochi to answer this. you want said that everything that trump touches dies. right? is this what is happening here? >> no, i think trump's exposure of the fbi question has server get up with a lot of people with a very bitter taste in his mouth about this guy. it's not just about his normal rambling, or while talking. this is criminal and they see it, they feel it, it's not hidden well. there's a growing part of the republican base that would like to have something worse than trump. they want to run desantis, they want trump-ism without all of the obvious cognitive multiple deficits. >> sochi, what is your take on trump's negative going up, and the positives going down.

>> i think there are a number of factors that are just laid out, but at the same time but, presidents don't normally take a massive role in the midterm election. at least following their defeat and one of the interesting things in the republican party is, once president, former president trump lost instead of moving on and trying to figure out a message that resonates for voters, they decided that they were going to embrace trump-ism. and, elected candidates in the states that are for trump-ism. now what you're seeing is a former president with a little approval rating, but you're also seeing these candidates that have really taken positions in order to please trump. they will end up hurting republicans in these critical battleground states, and it's windy latest case -- democrats are up in the polls in a number of these states as we head into the midterms. >> sochi, rick, i don't know if i feel better or worse after

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tomorrow. the biden sign a book of -- an attended a reception hosted by king charles the third at buckingham palace. the president had this to say today about the queen. >> she was the same in person as her image, decent, honorable, all about service. our hearts go out to the royal family, king charles, in all of the family, it is a loss that is left a giant hole. and sometimes you think that you'll never overcome it but as i've told of the king, she is going to be with him every step of the way. >> nbc's lindsay riser is live in london for more. lindsey, what can you tell us more about the moments that we've seen today involving biden and other heads of state? >> well, tonight certainly was a remarkable moment there and

that moment of silence, and the national moment of morning here, right in front of the queue. we saw somebody go up and down the queue earlier, saying don't forget this moment of silence as it was was something that everybody was commemorating. we just saw president biden and the first lady, if video of them visiting the majesty's coffin in westminster hall where she's lying in state, a very important moment for them to be able to do that and then signed a condolence book at lancaster house. and we know that king charles is hosting a reception at buckingham palace, for that state here. our dignitaries, where they are attending the funeral, and there will be thousands in attendance. we have prime ministers, other royalty, other reappear nations. obviously, other presidents as well. so, charles, we are still, believe or not, seeing people enter the queue. there are several miles from where we are, and not closing yet. right now the wait is about eight hours, people will have until 6:30 tomorrow morning

local time to see her majesty lying in state. and i can tell you anecdotally seeing people come by, on a somewhat chilly night here that people are still smiling. they don't look to worse for the wear, although we have seen some instances in which people with you have needed medical attention. in, fact more than 1000 such instances, including nearly 100 people who had to go to the hospital, charles. >> so looking into tomorrow, what can we expect? >> so, charles, we're obviously going to see a procession taking her majesty's coffin from westminster hall to westminster abby. it's a short walk, we may see the royal family following her majesty's coffin for that. the state funeral is gonna be about one hour, and then we're gonna see another procession taking her majesty's coffin from westminster abby to windsor. there's gonna be a committal service at windsor that will be televised, and then a private burial service that will be not televised, charles. >> nbc's lindsay rider.

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idealism. philippe two nil, a 16 year old, black man, which shot in the back and killed by white police officer gary spade. that killing put a spotlight on police brutality and the dangers the young black man faced at the hands of police as well as a systemic problem that we still face today and a holding police accountable. it is the focus of a new series entitled model america, debating tonight on msnbc. here's an orderly look at model america. >> they came out the, car they open the doors, they came out their guns over the doors. and they were telling us, we're gonna walking them into the wall. and it was, like yeah, everybody get against the. wall and i'm like, hold on, a minute, what is going on? whatever guns out? i am here at the wall, phil is probably maybe about ten feet from me, and probably in the middle of the crowd.

and when i looked at him, already knew what was going on at that point, he took off running. police started running a soon as we start running. >> one person started, running everybody started running. i ran in a different direction for phil. >> we took the opportunity to go the other way. >> it was a reaction. i think it was a mix of adrenaline, panic, and not knowing what was happening because they kind of rolled up on us, suddenly, with their guns. >> we are thinking, joe ran, he got away. and we will see him soon, we will have to joke about it. >> with me now is braxton show running, an executive producer model america, for florida keys areas exploring how the shooting of philip knell became a catalyst for black protests, activism. thank you so much, this is fascinating look.

why was it important for you to tell the story of philip knell in this docuseries? >> so, thank you for having me. the case itself is powerful, heart wrenching, in a way that has become terribly close to. as i did not know phillips name before this story came to me. so, i care about knowing these james, saying these names that with so many of us do. his life mattered. his legacy matters, this case managers. matters. especially of what happens. as teaneck, new jersey, it was a model american community, is still a model american community, and believed itself to be you know, a model of progressive ideals. i did not expect to happen here. and for it to happen there means that can happen anywhere. so, the lessons that are drawn from the case can be extended.

>> so let's stay on this place as this kind of model progressive american city. what did the shooting exposed about the reality of race relations in places like teaneck, not in the south, northern city, progressive city part of the country? >> yeah. again, teaneck has done incredible positive progressive work. it is for good reason identified as a model american community. they were one of the first american towns to integrate their schools voluntarily. so they built this reputation and have this incredible diverse population. there is much to celebrate, there but i think that while they were celebrating what they did right, they did not take into account some of the things that might still be insidious underneath the surface. and while they did have a very progressive, you know, diverse population, they had an

all-white police force. and while they head integrated schools, they've not had integrated neighborhoods, housing. so there were issues that were lying beneath the surface that we now know now, a vocabulary exists now for what we know is constitutional racism, systemic racism. we could talk about that now. that language, the vocabulary did not exist at the time. and, so i think that is part of what they reckoned with and had to sort of come to terms with and we're worried about altogether in the aftermath of the shooting. so i think one thing that we realized coming out of this is that although there are ways for all the wonderful things that they did do, and continue to do an integrating schools is a valiant thing that they did, a lot with but no one action can undo racism, or rather kade in the community. it is ongoing. conversation helps, and active engagement helps. and i think that they let that

go after a time. >> we have about a minute left, but i want to know what you believe the film's message is to the nation about police reform in particular, but about race and race relations in general. >> i think that this is a story that is painfully familiar. and in some ways it feels like it could have happened yesterday. but it did happen 30 years ago, and there are things that we can look at now, and see the progress that's been made, just not enough progress has been made. and we do have to continue to be active and talking about our history. there's no progress or healing or learning if we can't acknowledge and start from that. and certainly, in a time period where we have statesman, senators trying to regulate how we talk about history, it's never been more obvious how urgent it is to know our history, and reckoned with it.

and try to move forward from it if that's possible. >> i want to ask you what you wanted to take away from, it but i think that you just answer that question beautifully. thank you so much miss braxton, we appreciate it. tune in tonight for the debut of model america for part series a 10 pm eastern on msnbc, or stream it on peacock. thanks for watching simone on this sunday. i'm charles blow, in for symone townsend, who will be back next weekend. you can catch your show here on msnbc every weekends at 4 pm eastern, and anytime on peacock where there are new episodes on the msnbc news app every monday and tuesday. and for more content including behind the scenes video, that you won't see anywhere else, find the show on instagram, twitter, and tiktok. politics nation with burnett alice sharpen starts next.

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