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each other, and we've got your back, we're a family that cares deeply for each other. >> and that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz balart. you can reach me on twitter and instagram. be sure to follow the show jdbalart, thank you for the privilege of your time. hallie jackson picks up with more news next. as we come on the air, final preps ahead of that first master meeting, lawyers for the justice department and former president trump getting ready to meet the man now charged with going through all of those mar-a-lago documents, right now, both sides hammering out their agenda for what exactly they want to talk about. we've got the reporting. >> also this hour, the texas governor sending more migrants from the state to the front door of vice president harris. and also martha's vineyard, more reaction with correspondents
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standing by. we are live from puerto rico where search and rescue operations for survivors is getting higher, basically the entire island has now power after the hurricane fiona swept over it. i'm hallie jackson in washington. i want to bring in ryan riley and form charles coleman. >> and what do we know about the special master for the mealings and we're hours from getting it started. >> it will be very busy, with the brooklyn start tomorrow and the ongoing appeal whether or not the classified documents will be part of it. this is really urgent. the documents with the classified markings at the top of them, those are not donald trump's personal property, they do not belong to him, so we shouldn't need a special master and they should be going forward
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with the investigation. and that's what they brought to the 11th circuit. so i think we should hear relatively quickly from the appeals court about where that is going to go because they really are making sure that that is a matter of urgency. >> you can see the layout here. by the close of business, both teams submitting the agenda. tomorrow, you've got the response of the d.o.j. appeal and the meeting in brooklyn. charles, what do you think each side will want for the top of the agenda, number one thing? >> well, i think the d.o.j., their big thing is going to be number one, relying on precedent. if you look at the original order that got us here, it doesn't make sense, you can't follow it from a legal standpoint and the precedent that it could create if allowed to uphold and this is in front of the 11th circuit, this is going to be an issue, and so i think when you're talking about the appeal, that's going to be at the top of their list, in terms of giving this, getting the appeals circuit to understand that this is absolutely urgent and for a matter of precedent, this cannot be allowed to stand. now, in terms of in front of the
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special master they will be looking at we need a carve-out, i think that is the big issue in front of the special mast fer they can, to try to make sure that the documents that they've already seen, the fbi has already seen seem, so the question will be from the special master, let's make sure that the most important, the most sensitive documents, it puts it an aside and that's not an issue. and getting the special master to understand, that none of these were actually the property of donald trump. conversely, donald trump's attorneys in front of the special master, their argument is going to be, a lot of these things are attorney-client privilege and in addition to that the sensitivity around the documents is not what the government is necessarily making it out to be, and so the level of scrutiny that they tried to apply in what they belonged to donald trump and what doesn't is not necessarily what they have made it out to be, so that's the argument that they're going to be making in front of the special master. with respect to the 11th circuit, they are also going to
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be charged with down playing the significance of the documents that are there, in order to make it seem less pressing than they actually, than it actually is. they are going to likely completely ignore or significantly try to minimize the effect to national curate could that the d.o.j. has try -- national security that the d.o.j. has tried to work toward. so i think there will be arguments on both sides, both in front of the 11th circuit court of appeals as well as on the special laughter on tuesday. >> and there is an interesting twist. federal prosecutors looking for a filing room with the docket on the case and it made seem like the treasury department was requesting records from another news network. how is it possible that something that appears to be forged ends up in a file itself? >> it is apparently a serial forger who has been known to do these things, and typically when things are sent to the court, they end up on the docket. and some letters, they thought they would be a great special master. and hey, i can do this. i don't have any judicial
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experience but i'm the man for the job. and i think technically, that is what they filed and there were clues that tom winter spotted that made it clear that wasn't something ha was legitimate. so there was something that was flagged that we didn't pursue. >> thank you. charles coleman, our thanks to you, as always, appreciate it. some republican governors are keeping up their push to move migrants across the country as part of this sort of stance against illegal immigration. a report ther weekend witnessed the arrival of a second bus of migrants at kamala harris's home in washington, and the venezuelian migrants came from texas. and former governor ron desantis who sent a plane load of migrants to martha's vineyard defending this type of thing. overnight. watch. >> 90% of the people are showing up, they're being told to make an asylum plane, those planes are not in fact valid.
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if you're going to support open borders, you should deal with the consequences of open borders. >> people in florida split it seems on the governor's actions, with some saying it was important, and others saying it was cruel. >> they are coming here to make a better life and the president is saying come on over, but then what? what are they doing to help them? >> it is frustrating that the governor of one of the states where more venezuelans are, and more venezuelian refuges are, and immigrants are, he is stringing us as political pawns. >> i want to bring in msnbc corner, in terms of, and you're in a town of 29,000 people and 50,000 migrants passed through in july. tell us what it meant for the community and what you're hearing. >> yes, the amount of migrants who passed through here in july outsizing the number of residents by 20,000, and this is
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a huge strain on the community. we rode along with a constable yesterday as he was patrolling and he said that sometimes his officers aren't even able to respond to routine 911 calls because they are so busy dealing with all of the people who are arriving along with the border. i want to play a bit of our conversation with him. >> i can't see it getting much worse than it is right now. we are already in a very dire situation. and our local, all of our local law enforcement agencies, we don't have the amount of resources that a big city does. it's very, very difficult. it is causing a big strain on local resources. and we're not getting any help, we're really not getting any help. >> and that is a sentiment that we've heard echoed by the residents who we've also spoken to here.
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they have a lot of compassion for the migrants who are coming over, they understand the challenges of making that journey, and the desperation that is often behind the decision to make that perilous journey, but they're also saying that this town does not have the resources to support the record number of people that are coming in. and i asked some of those residents about the bussing issue. and about what they make of hearing these bigger city mayors and officials talk about the challenges that they're seeing, and many of these residents are saying, they're happy, that this issue is getting attention. they say much-needed attention. and they hope that it could potentially bring more resources into communities like this one, and as agents are continuing their work, and migrants are continuing across the river here. >> priscilla, i know it is getting a little bit loud behind you and i want to elaborate on the last point, that i wonder, that given these stunts that have taken on national political importance here what else are people telling you about that part of it, the backlash of it?
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>> yes, i mean it's interesting, one man i spoke to, he owns a pecan orchard along the border, right along the border and he says sometimes he's seen thousands, a thousand people in a single day coming up on to his property, and he feels like he's been caught in the middle of this political struggle, between the state, and the federal government, and he says that what he is really seeing is a void of leadership. and what he would like to see is more leadership on this issue. and he, and also another woman that we spoke to, in town, says they feel like that leadership has to come from the federal government. or else it is going to continue to be the sort of back and forth between state and federal, with communities like eagle pass, caught in the middle. >> priscilla thompson, thank you so much. right now, almost all of puerto rico has no power. hundreds of thousands of people have no access to water. as hurricane fiona rips through the caribbean. as we speak, people are still stranded across the island. rescue teams are trying to get
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to them. having a tough time. so far rescued about a thousand folks so far. you're looking at video of one of the rescues now. you have floods, landslides, what the governor called catastrophic destruction, making it hard to get to anyone. fema and national guard troops and first responders from new york are rushing to get there to help. george solis is with us now and making it clear that this is still very much emergency mode for them. >> that's right, halle, the threat far from over. the island is no longer under a hurricane warning but as you will see in a second with the roll of thunder, the danger is still very imminent here because we're still under the trop cam storm forps rain and wind here in the island. and the destruction is untold. the big story on the island, deja vu for so many people who have been here since marie yark the power is out for a million people basically. only about 10% have power. they are waiting to see when
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that power will be restored. officials saying yes, we know the power is out for you but it won't be like hurricane mariea. we are looking to restore the electricity in the next days and weeks, and certainly with the municipalities, with the danger of the road, it is already saturated here and it continues to fall across parts of the island. with maria, the rain is really isolated to certain points. here they're saying that rain is on a level that may exceed hurricane maria which is hard to fathom when you think about it. so officials are trying to get out responding to the water issue, but also the power, and of course, conditioning with the rescues. we've talked to some people who have been here experiencing this hurricane, that they thought would be just a tropical storm, and blowing through this island, take a listen to what they said about preparations. >> they seem to know what they needed. they went straight for the water. they went straight for the types of food that would work well,
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that you could eat without having to cook it. or refrigerate it. it was almost tactical. >> people of puerto rico, so resilient, you have to wonder how much more they can take considering they have already been through so much. >> george solis, thank you for being on the ground for us and we will look for more reporting this afternoon and in the days to come. appreciate it. coming up, president biden says something that not even the cdc has yet, that the pandemic is over. is it really? plus a crowd response to a song played at donald trump's rally and a new question whether the former president has q-anon more than ever before. and a live report on port row co. style chicken is sublime and the roasted garlic aioli adds a lovely ped.n flavor. row co. really changedport row co
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country, i want to bring in nbc's guad venegas who is bringing us the breaking news for us. tell us more. >> i don't have live. >> having a little bit of audio difficulty. we will wait one beat to see if he is still us with, because again this is a significant earthquake that that has hit the coast of mexico, the west coast of mexico. do i have guad back. >> i can hear you. >> hey, fill us in. give us the headline. >> so i actually just got off the phone with a lot of people in mexico, and in fact, i have family where the earthquake took place, so the numbers we're getting, and there has been some reports 7.4, 7.5, and another report of a 7.6, and most importantly, the president just spoke, and said that as of now, they only have damage to some structures. they have not found any damages other than the structures in the area, so let's start with this.
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the earthquake happened in the state on the west coast of mexico felt as far as mexico city and felt in guadalajara and the earthquake is very long and in fact, it could have been a minute long or it felt like a minute long for some of the people i spoke. with as of now, they're still assessing the damages, and that could have happened, once again, this was in the state of mexico, and today they had an earthquake drill, just before the earthquake actually happened so you can imagine the chaos that took place in mexico after people had prepared for that earthquake drill, and went back inside, and then an actual earthquake did take place, in mexico. over the last few years, we have had multiple earthquakes take place in mexico city, of course, a few years ago, we know that there was a deadly result in mexico. as of now, they're still assessing the damages. once again, the epicenter was in the state of michoacan.
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there are some reports of a city report that is visited by a lot of canadian and american sources and this is a city where there have been some reports of damage that have not been confirmed. we're still waiting for more information. as of now, the president said that authorities are looking around, but they don't have any reports of more than physical damage to structures. >> and of course, september 19th, a day that mexicans think about when they think about major earthquakes and two serious earthquakes that hit on that day in mexico. thank you. we're hoping that your family members shall the folks you have been talking to, your friends that you have been mentioning, that they're doing okay. keep us posted. thank you. some people scratching their heads over something president biden said in a new interview and those who are scratching their heads including several of their own administration officials according to the "washington post." the president two plus years in
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declares the covid pandemic is now over. watch. >> the pandemic is over. we're still having a problem with covid, we're still doing a lot of work on it, it's, but the pandemic is over. >> if you notice, no one is wearing masks. everybody seems to be in pretty good shape. and so i think it's changing. >> hear the white house correspondent kelly o'donnell, joining us live from the north lawn. and the president says the pandemic is over. and we're still seeing something like 60,000 new case, 500 deaths every day, and people dealing with long covid, and by the way the administration is still pushing for money from congress to help fight the pandemic. help us understand what feels like a disconnect here. >> there is a disconnect. and at the same time, this is something where white house officials i talked to say this is joe biden speaking in a plane-spoken way that has been part of the joe biden brand politically, where he says what people are seeing and experiencing. many people see a very different condition than we had at the
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height of the pandemic, when there was the wave of different variations, like omicron, where there were different phases that produced very, very serious effects. we are not oust woods by any means. the president certainly acknowledged that. but the white house is saying the president is also acknowledging that things are getting better. now, at the same time, officials at the department of health and hoop services, they say the public health emergency remains in effect and sending out a message to states saying that power is still here, and all of the public health policies that can go with it. they would give a 60-day notice if they were going to change that. so don't expect to see any change. part of what that does is allows for emergency use authorization for some of the medicines that we've seen, it allows for expansive funding to make sure that people get the care they need when they have symptoms of covid. or need treatment. and yes, as you mentioned, the administration is trying co ask
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congress for more money right now. at the same time, the administration has also acknowledged that has been difficult to do. there are many republicans in congress who say they already spent a great deal of the public coffers to provide free testing, free treatment, over these past few years and they need to pull back from that, and they tried to do things in the biden administration, like have more commercial processes for that. so buying your home tests, for example, as an alternative. and as some point having to find a way for your health care paying for some of the tests, or the vaccines or treatments that people may experience. so perhaps both can be true is what the white house says, that the president is reflecting what people are feeling but the experts are saying pump the brakes a little bit here, mr. president, there are still important uses for that kind of public health authority that are still needed, as you point out, with so many cases and still a very high number of deaths each year. >> kelly o'donnell live for us from the north lawn, thank you
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very much. good to see you. still ahead here on the show, after more than two years in captivity, a navy veteran now free today. we're going to take you behind the scenes of the prisoner swap with the taliban. plus, the case millions of people have been following on the serial podcast, what a baltimore judge set to make a big ruling on one man's murder conviction. new details from the courtroom next. courtroom next ever wonder what everyone's doing on their phones? they're investing with merrill. think miss allen is texting for backup? no she's totally in charge. of her portfolio and daniel g. she's building a greener future and he's... running a pretend restaurant. and phil? phil has questions, but none of them are about his portfolio. digital tools so impressive, your money never stops working for you with merrill, a bank of america company. peaceful state. full plate. wait, are you my blind date? dancing crew. trip for two. nail the final interview.
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it's subway's biggest refresh yet! the american engineer kidnapped in afghanistan is on his way home today after two and a half years of captivity. white house officials telling mbs news, president biden agreed to trade an afghan drug trafficker in exchange for mark frerichs, a 60-year-old navy vet from illinois being held by the taliban. here is secretary of state tony blinken on this. >> the united states, for me personally, there is no higher priority, than bringing americans who are being arbitrarily and unjustly detained back home to freedom, to their families. >> nbc's josh lederman is outside the white house. tell us more about the negotiations, and this afghan drug smuggler who is now free. >> mark frerichs was working as a contract ner afghanistan more than two years ago when he was
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captured and became a hostage, and he was really the last u.s. hostage that was on the american official's radar, when the u.s. announced it was pulling out of afghanistan more than a year ago. and so it was a top priority to try to get him back. and over the past many months of negotiations, according to senior administration officials, what became clear was that if the u.s. wanted to get mark frerichs back from the taliban, what the taliban really wanted in exchange was this other person in u.s. prison by the name of norzi who was convicted in 2008 of running a drug smuggling ring, trafficking heroin into new york city, he had been given a 17-year sentence. and he was also known to be close to mola omar, the founder of al qaeda in afghanistan, had led hundreds of his own fighters to the taliban in the early years and it was a top priority for the taliban to get him back as they were trying to show their supporters their loyalty and biden we are told signed off
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months ago, on making this exchange, when the time was right. and in the last few days, it was, and so mark frerichs was flown out of afghanistan, as norzi was flown back to afghanistan, and medical checks with american citizens saying he is in pretty good condition and being given all of the support from the u.s. government and president biden had a chance to speak with his family earlier today to let them know about the heroic efforts to try to get him home. i want to bring in democratic senator tammy duckworth of illinois and her push to have mr. frerichs released. thanks for being on the show today. >> thank you for having me on. it is a wonderful day. >> do you have any idea on the condition of mr. frerichs right now? >> my own information that i have is that he seems to be doing well, but he needs to go through a full medical check.
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and that will be his next step, will to be go to a u.s. military medical facility, most likely somewhere in germany, i would think. but he will need to get a full physical rundown and counseling, and it will be up to him when he is ready to come home but i hopes he goes through a full analysis of his health. >> we understand you spoke with president biden about this exchange. what was your message to him? >> i have been dealing with the administration now for over two years, back in february of 2021, i had actually asked for referred a personal meeting in the oval office for the president pushing for him to approve the prisoner swap. the taliban has been very clear from the very beginning over two and a half years ago, that they wanted norzi as the swap and we were unwilling to do that and two years, a good chunk of the administration itself convincing them why it was feasible to release him in exchange for mark. not the least feeling that norzi
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is an elderly man in poor health and in fact moved to a prison in upper, in upper state new york, because his health was so bad, and that he needed special health care, and at the american taxpayers expense, so part of it was to convince the president, this guy is going to die on our hands and we're still not going to get mark, let's stop taking care of him at taxpayers expense and let's bring an american navy veteran home and i'm so glad the president was agreeable to it. >> mark frerichs was kidnapped by taliban fighters in afghanistan. and can you tell us what his conditions were over the years? >> he was taken by a network related to the taliban and they were occasionally releasing his health, proof of health, proof of life videos, and we really didn't get very much until this past year, in particular, after the biden administration took over, and then we started to get
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more information. but just watching the videos, you could see that his health was failing. and then when we started really negotiating with them, it looked like he started to get better nutrition, and he seemed to be better, although his mental state, you know, obviously as anyone who has been in captivity for two and a half years would be, it is something we were worried about. >> there are sometimes the discussion, i think often that this is part of the subject here, when there is discussion, or an actual prisoner swap that happens, what kind of precedent does this set as it relates to, maybe hostile actors overseas, who are looking to capitalize on americans being in their countries, or in their territory, help us understand why this felt like it was something so important to you and i know obviously it is important to the frerichs family. >> first and foremost, it was important to me because i've been, i've been shot down by enemy lines, i took it very personally, this is my constituent, he is part of my old congressional district, and
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i've been representing his family now for ten years, and also, just personally, as a soldier, part of the soldier's creed, due leave a fallen comrade -- you don't leave a fallen comrade behind and someone who was not shot down when i was shot down and the bad guys were several hundred yards away from where the enemy was and my buddies carried me out and i knew the fear and danger i was in and i was not going to start until mark was brought home and he deserves to be home, and he is a veteran, serving in afghanistan, for the people of the united states. and for me, it was very, very important to work on this, to get him back. the other thing, you know, speaking of the prisoner swap, in july of this past year, the president did something that i thought was very meaningful which is he signed a new executive order that created ways to impose new costs, extensive costs on any terrorist organizations, any criminal groups, any malicious actors, who might think that they could start taking u.s. citizens hostage, in exchange for other
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gains, and that executive order was a big piece of why i felt that it was okay to do the swap. and of course the second thing i already mentioned that the prisoner that we had was probably going to die in a u.s. prison anyway, so why not get him off of the taxpayers books, and you know, stop paying for his health care, and let's get mark home. >> senator tammy buckworth, thank you for being on, on what i know is an important day for you an for the frerichs family and we hope to have you back on the show with a lot of other topics to talk about sometime soon. appreciate it. we're keeping a close eye on a courtroom in baltimore where a judge is set to decide whether or not to throw out the murder conviction of adnan syed. and name is familiar, it is maybe because you're a podcast listener and list case was chronicled. prosecutors filed a motion asking a judge to vacate syed's
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conviction and they found evidence to lose confidence in the integrity of the conviction. syed maintained his innocence. i want to bring in the nbc news news correspondent kathie park and i understand any minute we could be hearing the decision from the judge. >> that is exactly right. so the hearing got under way shortly after 2:00 this afternoon. right out of the gate, there was kind of a wrench that was thrown into the hearing because the state was asked whether or not they contacted hae min lee's family in regard to the hearing and they said yes and when the judge called for the family representative to see if she or he would be in attendance, no one was available. however, there is a lawyer present representing the victim's family. so we have kind of been in this holding pattern, because the attorney had to reach out to the victim's brother, who was in california, so he asked the judge for a few minutes to be able to log on via zoom. so the hearing, it appears, at
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least according to notes from our white houser, who is in the courtroom right now, it seems like the hearing just got under way. but this is really unique, the situation that we're in, right? because you mentioned last week, the prosecutors asked to vacate this murder conviction. and adnan syed has been serving a life sentence for the past 20 years and you kind of alluded to, this there was new evidence that had surfaced in the year-long investigation. two suspects who may be linked to the case have surfaced. and also, they're saying that the cell phone information that was used in the initial trial may be unreliable, because a lot of technology improvement in the last 20 years, and they're hoping to move forward with the new trial and present all of this new evidence. >> kathy park, thank you very much. new questions over a song played at a weekend rally of former president trump. and why some suggest it means he is embracing q-anon now more
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happening now, jury selection in the january 6th trial of the guy that you're seeing in part on the left-hand side of your screen, doug jenson, who is a q-anon supporter, you can see him in a shirt, which is now chasing officer goodman, jenson behind him, chasing officer goodman on january 6th leading a mob of insurrectionists essentially and it comes as we're see extremism going mainstream on a couple of fronts. q-anon conspiracy movement openly embraced it seems from president trump not only on his social media platform but apparently at a rally in ohio this weekend playing music that sounded a lot like a song for q-anon, if you will, the theme song for q-anon, the spokesman for the former president did not respond to our nbc news request for comment but told "the new york times" in part it was a
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loyalty-free song from a popular audio library platform. also today, number two, a new "washington post" report finding a dozen republican candidates in key races for senate and governor will not say or are refusing to commit to accepting the election results from november which means of course the possibility of maybe more post-election chaos nearly two years after donald trump first denied that he in fact lost the election that he lost in 2020. let me bring in on both of these fronts nbc news senior reporter ben collins. and ben, let me start with kind of bucket number two here. 12 of the 19 republican candidates who either did not respond or did not commit to the "washington post," this election denialism in the midterms, hem us understand what it means longer term, beyond simply november. >> i think the big thing in any movement right now, the q-anon movement, the pro trump movement online, is to dispel the idea that we have free and fair democratic elections and part of what they're doing to look at poll workers and hang outside of polls or actually try to get
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into the system and to be a part of the election infrastructure. they may learn something they don't want to learn, which is these are safe elections but they are actively, especially right now, telling people to get into those cases. and remember voting, they're talking about changing the way people vote and how acceptable it is for people to in dim date people and they want to vote for people, as we've seen in the primaries, they want to vote for people who will fundamentally not allow what happened in 2020 to happen again, which is not true. they there is obviously no evidence whatsoever that the election is stolen but they want people to say that. that's their number one thing in these phases right now is go with the lie that the election is stolen. >> and when we are talking about the other possibility which is q-anon, tangentially off of this branch, if you will, you have former president trump, listen, he has, i think it was the "times" that franked, it he has winked with or flirted with the q-anon conspiracy theory movement before but in this instance, over the rally, it felt like the most explicit
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support yet and probably the second time in the last several weeks that we said that phrase, donald trump's most explicit support yet of q-anon. talk about that and what you're seeing in the online corners that are echoing on this. >> he has moved from flirting with it to moving in with the q-anon people. that's what is going on. they are fully back on board with donald trump. after really dipping away from it, because the entire situation doesn't make sense. he has posted himself wearing a q pin, where one goes, where we all go, which is a q aknown -- q-anon slogan and that music is where we go, we go all and there is no way that they came across that by accident. literally impossible. they are leaning into this thing. it is in part because this guy thinks he needs an army for one reason or another. it is not about voting in these cases. they don't think voting matter.
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talking about building big numbers to intimidate people at the very least. >> i want to be clear again, their spokesperson did not respond to our request for comment, and the media, paraphrasing, make much ado about a song that is publicly available and the entrance wasn't, it wasn't intentionally chosen and simply a coincidence that it was a q song. >> how you would find this otherwise? it doesn't make sense. it would be a one in a ba jill onchance to be statistical about it. and as you saw, there were people who were raising their hands in a record formation in response to, this number one, with their hands up like this and it's unclear exactly what that means, but there was a large group of people who were reacting directly to this song, as he spoke over it. very weird scene. no other way to put it. >> ben collins, you are a plain english friend. thank you. i appreciate your reporting and i know you will stay on top of
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it. appreciate it speaking of the push to avoid another january 6th and the general theme of protecting the integrity of the u.s. elections, there is a flew elections bill introduced just today by congressman liz chainy and zoe lofgren both members of the january 6th committee that would chain, would reform the electoral counteract, there is a law from the 1880s that sets the rule how you count electoral votes in the presidential election. one committee set to meet on the bill tomorrow. with the full house set to take it up later on this week on wednesday. and i want to bring in nbc news senior national reporter. and you have reported significantly on this. and potential reform of the electoral counteract and some experts say sure, while it does not go as far as some advocates want it to go, it is at least a small step from preventing something that happened like what happened on january 6th from happening again. what is the sense in congress and the senate and house side and are there 10 republicans who would get on board on the senate side?
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>> that's right, the bill has a bright future in the house of representatives. it is expected to get to the floor, a vote on the floor of the house later this week. and it is expected to pass wednesday with the support of democrats an at least some republicans, including the co-sponsor, liz cheney, now i will get to the senate in just a moment, but first, what is in this bill, let's put this up on the television. it was make clear that the vice president's role in electoral count is simply ministerial. it would raise the threshold from objections which currently is and one member of the house and one member of the senate, to one-third of each chamber and a much higher bar and it would require states to certify only lawful winners and they can't refuse to certify and the governor of that state has to certify the presidential election winner in accordance with the laws of that state and the forward bucket, what you might consider the no back fees clause, an election denial governor or secretary of state, for instance, can't retroactively try to change the rules and say it is actually this person who won. they have to do it in accordance
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with the laws of their state. those are the main components of the bill. as for the senate, the early indications that i've gotten from my senate sources is positivity, optimism, simply based on the fact that this effort closely mirrors the senate package, the bipartisan bill that senators spent months and months and months negotiations, it started early this year after a voting rights effort petered out there. are two things that they are trying to be wary in the senate to make sure the bill doesn't fall apart and the first is making sure the democrats don't add voting rights provisions to it, they worry that that would cost republican support, remember, you need ten of those in the senate for this to have any shot. and the second is trying to prevent this in as nonpartisan way as possible. some republicans who worry about triggering the trump base and maga voters and fear it could be peeling away some republicans. as it is the ten republican co-sponsors which is enough to get it done. and they have to iron out some differences between the two bills. and there are two difference,
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the senate bill requires one fifth, not one-third and a federal cause of bill for the house, which the senate bill does not and republicans tend to leave the question of suing and enforcing the laws to the state. if those are the biggest problems between the house and senate in this day and age, there's real optimism that this can be pass. this effort is leading to that, and most likely to vote for the lame duck session and simply because of the calendar and a lot to do between now and then and including a government shutdown. >> just that little thing. i know it will be busy. thank you. and the u.k., in the final farewell to queen elizabeth, after days of mourning and tens of thousands of people coming out to pay their respects. so what is next for the monarchy with king charles in charge? we're live in london next. ♪ ♪
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obviously beyond the royals who you see here. so many people lining up, there it is, there's that shot, to say their final good-byes to the uk's monarch. nbc news correspondent matt bradley is live with us in london. matt, help us see this through your eyes and what it was like to be in the uk today. >> reporter: yeah, well, i was here standing here right next to the mall right down this street from buckingham palace, and i was surrounded this entire time on one side by uniformed offices, by police, military, sailors, firemen. they were all here paying tribute not just to their can queen -- though they were doing that of course -- but also to their boss. everybody who works in most public service here in britain, they do pledge loyalty to the queen. it's not just that they're the queen's subjects, they're always the queen's servants. that was moving on one side. and on the other there were just members of the british public. part of the 1 million estimated people who came out here into
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central london, braved the traffic and the crowds and the inconvenience to come out here and wait for hours. once again, to see their queen just passing by just momentarily right behind me. and you know, this is something that the british public has been doing for the past ten days. you mentioned these past ten days of mourning. they've just been standing. you heard about the queue. those people who were standing in line for as long as 24 hours just to get a glimpse of the queen's coffin. this is something when i've been talking to people standing and waiting for the queue, people who were standing and waiting here to watch the queen's coffin go by, this kind of silent vigil, it really is a testimony to the queen and what she did for the public here in britain. you know, people who i talked to, why did you go through this sacrifice, i asked them, why would you put yourself out like this? and they said it's the least they can do for a queen who did exactly that. she really just stood by. she was this symbol of constancy and perseverance despite everything.
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so people here when it comes to their tributes, they did this very british thing, which is queueing, standing in line waiting, holding that kind of silent vigil as a tribute, as a salute to their late monarch. and that's the feeling i got here. you know, there wasn't this outpouring of grief. there wasn't public mourning and crying, but it really was a poignant and very british occasion. >> matt bradley live for us there in london, matt, thank you for that. and thanks to all of you for watching this hour of msnbc. you can find us on twitter with highlights from the show at hallie on msnbc and on our twitter channel called nbc news now tonight is and every weeknight at 5:00 eastern for show number two. we'll see you there. "deadline white house" starts right after the break. t after t. (cecily) even better. i got verizon's new plan. includes apple one. that's apple music, apple tv+, apple arcade, icloud+. (adam) i hear the acting's pretty good on that one. (cecily) so is the deal i got from verizon. iphone 14 pro, on them! you should get one.
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hi, everyone, it's 4:00 in new york. as the world descends on new york city this week for the united nations general assembly gathering, they might not recognize what we here have become. the gop's post-january 6th denialism and its quiet quitting of democratic norms has actually recently descended into something even darker. the de facto leader of one of america's two major political parties has fully embraced a movement driven by a dangerous conspiracy theory. of course we're talking about
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