good day. you're watching "chris jansing reports." i'm peter alexander. we are expecting president biden to come out at any time now to push the disclose act, a bill that would require superpacs and so-called dark money groups to disclose donors who give more than there are 10,000. while we wait for that p we're an hour or so away from the first hearing of the special master. that court ordered third party regarding documents found at

former president trump's home in florida. we do not know a lot about what will transpire in that hearing, but we do know that trump's team is already taking issue with some of of the judge's directives dlaming they do not want to tip their hand over potential legal defense if the former president might be indicted. more on that and the trump team's latest filing on the court of appeals in just a minute. plus hurricane feast owe na strengthened into a category 3 storm potentially on track to become a category 4. there's the map. you can see turks and caicos getting pounded. it has been crushing the caribbean islands for days leaving catastrophic destruction in its wake. coming up, the potential impact for folks up and down the east coast. finally, my conversation with the deputy secretary of state wendy sherman on the united nations general assembly and president biden's scheduled speech tomorrow. this morning the u.n. chief started things off by telling the assembly that the world, z

gridlocked in global dysfunction. with war and floods and food scarcity, energy issues, all competing for time in the international agenda, what can the u.n. do to help? but we want to begin right now with the politics and the mud term elections now exactlien seven weeks away. the race for control of congress could not be any closer. our latest nbc news poll shows it's a dead heat. so today both parties are put ing their focus on increasing their ranks marking national registration day with events nationwide aimed at registering and motivating voters ahead of the all-important midterms. i want to bring in sha shaquille brewster, and also steve kornacki is ready at the big board. shaq, in writing about the poll results, there are two completely different campaigns that are going on right now. is that what you're finding when

you speak and listen to voters there? >> reporter: that's absolutely the case. by the way, one of those national voter registration events is happening here in milwaukee behind me. they might be kicking off any minute now doing a car parade to encourage voters to come out to register to vote on this day. but in my conversations with folks across the state of wisconsin, you hear two issues that come up more than others. one, inflation and the economy, and two, abortion. but our nbc poll showed that different parties had the advantage with those issues. you see republicans have the advantage when you're talking about immigration. economy and crime. democrats the advantage with abortion, health care, and education. that advantage is trickling town to how voters are perceiving the candidates in this battleground state. listen to some of those conversations and see how they breakthrough that nuance there. >> inflation, to me, is just consequential of the world we live in. if we can find ways to fix that, great. but things that are way more important are more of the social

issues for me. so things like women's rights and health and so forth improving that landscape. >> the cost of living effects everybody. and what's happening, i'm not going to say that abortion rights doesn't affect everybody. it affects a lot of people, but cost of living, if you improve cost of living, that may affect women who feel they have to go the route of abortion because they can't take care of their child financially. >> reporter: that is why our politics team called this the tale of two different campaigns. it's not as if voters don't care about other issues or not looking into other issue, but in terms of what is most animated, what they bring up the most, what they are concerned about the most, those are the two issues. you see there's a partisan advantage for republicans on one and democrats on the other. >> thank you. steve, let me ask you the difference between winning and losing in these midterms, and we say this pretty much every time, is going to come down to the voters in the middle that have

yet to make up their minds. so help us sort out who these people are. what do we know about these voters? >> we got a little bit of data into that. our team looked at a recent poll here and found out first a question of where the persuadable voters are most likely to be here. you see sort of different urban core inner city, in a rural area, it's the outer suburbs, it's the excerpts we are most likely to find the voter who is are up for grabs in this election. you can see 43% of them in outer suburbs. how do you define voters up for grabs? it's voters who are sending mixed signals on the key questions. let me take you through. looking at these outer suburbs in particular, it's a couple things that would favor the democrats. at least on paper hoop here.

these are voter who is say they want the trump investigations to continue. they disapprove of the dobbs decision. the supreme court ruling on abortion. they are with the democrats on that. but they are not top to bottom with the democrats because there's some issues here where they are with the republicans. they favor the idea of a republican-controlled congress. they disapprove by a wide margin of joe biden's handling of the economy. so it's sort of a clash of they are with the democrats a little bit, with the republicans, which of those is going to win out at the end of the day. and the kinds of districts we're talking about here when you say outer suburb, fwif you an example here. one that we'll be looking at closely on election night, this is the th district of michigan. this is a democratic incouple bept. she was elected in the blue wave of 2018. it's by a single point in 2020. it had been trump by 4 points.

you saw that movement of trump plus 4 to biden plus 1. this is the kind of district that incorporates what we're talking about here. outer suburbs, conflicted voters, this is a classic definition on election night of a bell weather district. >> steve kornacki, we appreciate that. hard to believe for a lot of folks who are engaged in the news grind that there's some who remain unmade up. that's why we keep a close eye on them. thank you. i want to bring in illinois democratic congresswoman sherry bustos and congressman david jolly. david, you saw the way the issues break down. in your mind, is the overriding factor going to come down to whether people care more about the economic issues or their cultural issues or is that a too simplistic view? >> i don't think it's too simplistic in terms of the top issues of the economy in a woman's right to choose. clearly in a post dobbs world, we have seen the numbers shift

more favorably to democrats. what i'm fascinated to see this psych sl you can break down election cycles into turnout races or persuasion races. truthly, they are turnout races. can i turn out enough people on my side based on enthusiasm or anger. what the dobbs decision did is handed a persuadable constituency on the woman's right to choose. the nuance is the persuadable voters for democrats this cycle are not traditional democratic-performing voters. they probably have never identified as pro choice. but they are learning that maybe they were pro roe all along. that message doesn't fit neatly within the messaging of the past, but it's there for their taking. that's why they are seeing numbers bump up going into november.

>>s that quote. it's very likely that the downturn we have been experiencing will get much worse and the bear market is not over. if the economy gets much worse, as they warn, how problem mat sick that for democrats within they have continued progress to keep this issue from becoming a defining one for so many voters? >> it's not good if the economy continue gos in the wrong direction. if a senior has to be on insulin, that's capped at $had 35 a month. nobody else has gotten that done. the president just relieved $10,000 in student loan debt or $20,000 if you went to school on pell grants. so we have a story to tell, but we have to keep telling it.

this is going to get down to doing a good job, which the biden administration is, and i believe house democrats are as well. and taking credit for it. so we have to talk about that and then we have to make sure that we have the best get out the vote plant in the history of our party. we have anger going on. i understand those swing voters. i'm a democrat in a trump district. as it pertains to choice, this is a hot button issue. it has changed dramatically in these ten years i have been in office. it went from an issue that you just didn't talk about to an issue now that people are saying, i don't want uncle sam in my room with a from helping me make a decision.

this is my decision to make. just like when we're making sunday dinner, we want to decide whether we're going to have chicken. we don't want anybody else telling us what to do. >> those personal stories with abortions in the past or the ability to have that freedom if they need to at any point going forward have really affected a lot of people making their decisions now. david, i want to switch to the republican side. a number struck a lot of folks. 33% of republicans say they consider themselves loyal to donald trump over the republican party. that's the lowest level since nbc started asking this question. 58% say supporters of the republican party. so given that, how big of a factor is trump in these midterms? the presumption is the more we talk about him, the more this legal proceeding continues with the doj and his lawyers over mar-a-lago and the like, the better it is for democrats. >> absolutely.

donald trump is bad for republicans. republicans want to prosecute a case against joe biden in the midterms. they do not want to be defending donald trump. to your point on those numbers, they also mirror it's down at about the 30% level as well. but i would flip the script and suggest this. it actually indicates that donald trump is the one republican leader that's capable of dividing the party. those are in the single digits. fstz if donald trump removes himself from the scene and steps out of the cycle, republicans will unite behind ron desantis or some other. if they make a play to keep the reigns, that will continue to fracture the party, divide the party and play in favor of democrats. not just in november but in 2024 as well.

>> you talked about get out the vote. the effort is what you think needs to be in place. beyond just talking about the successes to this point. >> the maga republicans, to the point made about trump loyalists, we have to talk about them. they have begun to take over the republican party, which was a real shame. i have many friends in the republican party, but the hard core maga republicans is different story. so what we have to do is talk about the hard core nature of the maga republicans. that they want to criminalize women's choices. they want to send uncle sam to the doctors office with us. they want to send women to jail to do a search. this is extreme and we need to talk about that. anger is a motivator.

then we have to have continuing to register voters in every state in every of congressional district where we have a shot. so what i would do is take some of that money being used. on in national voter registration day, it's ready to give the information to register to vote. you see the code on the screen. scan that code to be taken to take you to the site. soon right here, president biden is set to speak on a new election transparency bill from the white house. when that begin, we'll take you there. the president, as we noted, will

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we're back. hurricane fee owe na is a category 3 storm barrelling through caribbean. the din dplin can republic and puerto rico are under a state of emergency. adding insult to injury, today marks five years since hurricane maria devastated the island territory. they left millions without power after striking puerto rico. people are still struggling for

access to food and a running water. search and rescue missions remain underway complicated by the destruction. the island and its people are again forced to rebuild. i want to bring in george salis. he is in puerto rico right now. the threat from this thing is far from over. what's the biggest thing that folks on the ground are telling you about what they need right now? >> reporter: peter, right now they want to know how soon federal aid will get here to help them get back on the power grid. here we are five years after hurricane maria. instead of talking about how much progress has been made, we're talking about an island dealing with a category 1 hurricane. this is what crews are dealing with. you see snapped power lines. this is just a small sample of the damage and destruction that's rampant across the island. not even a couple feet from me, you can see another towned power line in the street.

officials working to assess this now that the weather has cooperated. but we should note that there's still parts of this island still getting some rain as the hurricane still move was from the island. and already this island has seen 25, 30 inches of rain in some sports. so this is adding insult to injury here for the people. and those without power, you now have the heat to contend with. so people are stuck in their homes in areas where the search and rescue groups are still trying to get to them, but they can't because of these flood waters that are still rising in some parts of the island. and resources are starting to come towards the island. we know the fema administrator is expected to touch down and bring with them some resources, generators, much-needed food, meals. the governor saying this is a catastrophe for the island. and rightly so, but he's saying it's not fair to call this a disaster to the power grid because they expect their response to getting people back

online with power to be much better than the response to hurricane maria. but people i have talked to say they are frustrated. they are irritated and on this day of all days, to have to relive this experience with this storm that barrelled through this island, it's just a painful reminder of the setback they now have to face with working to rebuild, working to recover those losses and they are wondering how long it will take tempt to get back on that power grid. the governor saying this might take days, but some wonder if it's not going to be weeks. maybe even months in those areas that are still being affected by this storm. >> so much for one island territory to have have to deal with again. george, thank you. there are new developments to tell you about in the mar-a-lago probe. that special master conference starting in brooklyn in just about 30 minutes or so from now. between the former president's legal team and the department of of justice. what we can expect to go down in

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and that role the money in politics and how we can begin to sofl that problem. there's something i have always cared about. it's best our democracy serves all people equally, no matter wealth or privilege. but here's the deal. there's too much money that flows in the shadows influence our elections. it's called dark money. it's hidden. right now, groups can run ads on issues attacking a candidate right until election day without disclosing who is paying for that ad. too often special interests use front groups to run these ads to win at any cost. even foreign entities rbt allowed to contribute to foreign campaigns use dark money to try to influence our elections. and here's one recent example. the activists who spent decades working to put enough

conservative justice on the supreme court to overturn roe v. wade now has access to $1.6 billion in dark money to do more damage from our perspective and restrict more freedoms. as far as we know, that's unwp of the bigest transfers in our history. and here's the deal. the public only found out about this $1.6 billion transfer because someone tipped off some of you reporters. otherwise, we still wouldn't know about it. but now we know and there's something we can do about it. this week the senate is going to vote on the disclosure act. house democrats approved this act and the senator from rhode island helped write this bill as well. here's some of the things it would do. advocacy groups that run ads to influence elections would have to disclose any contribution above $10,000 that they receive. and foreign entities would be banned from making any contributions for these ads, period. republicans should join

democrats to pass disclosure act and get it on my desk right away. dark money has become so common in our politics. i believe sunlight is the best disinfectant. and i acknowledge it's an issue for both parties. but here's the difference. democrats in the congress support openness and accountability. republicans in congress so far don't. i hope they will come around. they should follow the lead of republican governors and state legislators in tennessee and wyoming that have passed disclosure laws. let's remember getting dark money out of our politics has been a bipartisan issue in the past. my deceased friend john mccain spent a lot of time fight for campaign finance reform. for him it was a matter of fundamental fairness. he was 100% right about that. it comes down to public trust. dark money erodes public trust. we need to protect public trust and i'm determined to do that. so i want to thank you all very

much and hope that the senate will act on this in a favorable way so i can sign that into law. thank you. >> on the border, why is the border more overwhelmed under your watch? >> because there are three countries that are never -- there are fewer immigrants coming from central america and from mexico. this is a totally different circumstance. what's on my watch now is venezuela, cuba and nicaragua and the ability to send them back to those states is not rational. you can send them back and working with mexico and other countries to see if we can stop the flow, but that's the difference. thank you.

>> he should come visit, we have a beautiful shoreline. that appeared to be president biden's response to the republican governor ron desantis having recently sent some migrants to martha's vineyard. governor abbott sending them to washington, d.c. there was reporting today there was another plane of migrants headed to the president's home state of delaware. you heard the president's rebuttal there. mike memoli is joining us outside the white house. the intention from this event today before the president heads to the united nations general blee is to make news on the disclose act to crack down on the dark money, the money that comes from anonymous sort sources. he waded into this issue about immigration that's bye-bye amplified by those republican governors in the recent political stunts. >> that's right. first of all, i think the value of the president's rehoboth

beach home just went up from that free ad. the president making light of a very serious situation at the moment i have opinion in touch with the governor's office in delaware who says there are officials working with advocacy groups preparing for the poeshlg arrival of these migrant flights. you also heard the president try to make a distinction between this border issue as a consequence of what republicans argue has been an open border poicy of democratic administrations, including biden etc.'s saying we're dealing with a different situation now. there are many people fleeing the political situations, and you heard him mention those countries. one of the challenges is that they don't have relationships with these countries that would allow them to work as they have with countries like mexico on a remain in mexico policy or to undo the consequences of the trump administration's actions there. so that's part of the challenge now. the president repeating what we

have heard. the press secretary that they are engaged in political stunts struggling individuals as pawns. as to the disclose act, this is an important issue, the idea of campaign finance, but not one that has been front and center. but i thought it was interesting to hear how the president tried to link this issue of campaign finance to what is one of the main pillars of the biden team strategy, which is to talk about how these groups have been able to lead to the overturning of roe v. wade, using the supreme court as an issue. that's the president trying to use an issue that is important to a number of democrats on capitol hill. we're likely to see this vote go down. it needs 60 votes. but to bring it back to what has been a key focus for this white house, two pillars. the economy, but second, this idea that voting rights, other core freedoms are at risk.

in biden's case pointing to dark money in eroding them. >> it's a good question. why would this go down, why does it lack the votes necessary with republicans across the board opposed to this disclose act. among them like ted cruz have argued that companies have the right to express themselves through anonymous to nations. that is the sort of obstacle that's existed in this effort as the president indicated to try to get the disclose act pushed through congress. thank you. another major headline we're watching now is the the mar-a-lago case and it returns to center stage today as the new ily appointed special master, that independent third party, kicks off his first hearing. it should happen about 30 minutes from now. the trump and doj legal teams are scheduled to make that first appearance before the judge at his brooklyn courthouse. this comes after a new filing by trump's lawyers that call the case a, quote, document storage dispute that spiralled out of control.

in an earlier filing, they refused to provide specifics about which of of the seized documents trump claims were declassified by he left office. within the last hour, republican attorneys general for 1 states have filed a brief accusing the biden administration of, in their words, ransacking the home of a political rival and attempting to, quote, trade on the the reputation of the department of justice and the intelligence community to thwart the appointment of a neutral special master. there's also new reporting from the "new york times" that suggests that the former president was warned late last year of the legal perils of holding on to classified material. it's a lot to try to make sense of. for more to help us do that is tom winter. also charles coleman, former brooklyn prosecutor. tom, tell us more about that new filing by the trump team right now. what fundamentally is their argument here? >> they have two filings in two cases and fundamentally in the

appeals court, they are arguing that essentially the justice department should sit back and wait and not get what they are asking for. they should wait until the special master has done their job. they made it clear that a judge in florida, one appointed by the former president, has made a determination that a special master is the best way to go. that it provides the appropriate oversight, they say. so as a result, it's real simple. let's wait until that process is done. that's their argument. prosecutors say between us and the fbi, we need to get moving here. we might have a national defense or national security issue that we need to look into. the office of the director of national intelligence wants to conduct a study and a review on these documents that were found at the property. some of which were looking at presumably on screen. and we still need to conduct a federal investigation. so let's put the special master issue aside and get to work.

we don't know when they will make a decision on this whether they are going to have an orl argument or issue some sort of paper opinion or ruling on this. that's just something that we'll have to follow. the other filing is the one that you talked about. that's before the special master specially saying we don't want to disclose whether or not we declassify or the former president declassified on the way out of white house certain documents. we might want to preserve that if we challenge the search warrant in and of itself. we might want to preserve that for a defense, if there's any indictment in this investigation. so those are the two main arguments they are making in totally separate courts today but over the same issue. >> we're glad to have you to help explain it. let me ask you about the latter that tom was talking about. what's happening before the special master. this argument that's being made on behalf of trump's lawyers that they don't want to have to make any argument. they don't want to wade into the conversation about what is ors was not declassified.

but it does appear clear that the special master was one of those individuals suggested by trump's own attorneys. he has put them on their heels. >> i do expect we're going to see a different tone than we have seen thus far out of florida. one of the reasons for that is when you looked at it objectively, stepping away from it, you realize that a lot of what has happened thus far has been around these obscure tactics in terms of trying to get this distraction off track. in terms of dealing with the actual issue. i don't think the judge is going to go for that. part of what you can expect to see today is a very different tone. i think he's beginning to be very clear about really outlining the issues, making clear what he believes is not an issue, what he degrees is an issue and will allow the parties to argue further as to what the

issues are. the strategy for team trump is basically going to be make the issues as wide as possible, make this process go as lock as possible. try to drag it out without being committal so they preserve as many option moving forward. the doj is going to make it as narrow as possible to eliminate any issues in question to make it so that the judge does not have much hat he has to decide keep in mind, in addition to the kshs about national security, in addition to kshs about delaying the actual investigation, there's also the issue that the fbi has already gone through these documents. so for the integrity standpoint of what is needed to make this investigation move forward, the doj already knows what's there. they also have to sort of navigate that with a thin needle in terms of how they treat this judge. >> the "new york times" reports the former president was warned that holding on to classified

material could put him in legal jeopardy. the times writes that former trump lawyer sought to impress upon trump the seriousness issue and the potential for investigations and legal exposure, if he did not return the documents, particularly any classified material. so how does that affect a potential criminal case against the former president? obviously, you can't say that you didn't know if there's now evidence that you were told just that. >> it speaks directly to the question of intent. you have been informed act your actions and you continued in those actions, even after you had knowledge. i also think one of the things that it does is it really casts a strong amount of doubt on this notion of declassification. if you are claiming that you declassified certain documents, at the point you have been told these documents need to be returned or at the point you are potentially in violation of the law, that for most people would

have been the ideal time to step forward and say we have declassified documents. here's a list of the documents we declassiied. therefore, we are not in violation of the law. that did not happen. so when you look at the timeline, it does not suggest or support what team trump is trying to argue now in totality looking at how everything played out. >> tom, help us with some other news we just learned about. the republican attorneys general, and think it's 11 states have filed this brief accusing the biden administration of ransacking the home of a political rival. they say it was an effort to trade on the reputation of department of justice two thwart the appointment of a special master. can you walk us through the significance of that? what impact that potentially has? >> legally, and from an impact perspective, it probably has very little. the court is going to decide this case on the merits.

what department of justice attorneys have presented to the court, what trump's attorneys have presented to them, look at the decision that was made in the southern district of florida, applying these sort of case law or precedent to that. if they think some should exist, it's probably more straight forward than that. service away. for interested parties to put something on the record and sometimes in hopes of swaying the judiciary's opinion. potential victims filed by the press and others have sometimes an impact on the judiciary's decision. just don't know here if that's going to be the case. so just reading that fiing and

seeing how these cases go on in the past, i don't see the impact of it being particularly high. i would say if a group of democratic attorney generals also wrote to the court, i don't see this making much of a difference as far as this instant ruling. >> at the end of the day, it's a lot of back and forth. when does this resolve itself? what sort of timeframe? >> i looked back at the most recent search warrant that we have that was unsealed and unredacted. it still has 54% that is redacted. if you look at the paragraphs redacted in full or in part. that's a long way of saying we don't still know a lot about this investigation. i don't anticipate anything happening until the end of the miterms. certainly until the special master wraps up, if that's the path that ends up being taken here. so bear minimum, i don't expect any sort of decisions to be made until at least the end of november. >> democrats like folks talking about trump. trump likes talking about mr. trump and republicans haven't

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events we have seen. i want to bring in the deputy secretary of state right now. we have a full plate of topics. madame secretary, we appreciate you being here. president biden just vowed that the u.s. is going to stay with ukraine as long as they need help. he said that commitment is ironclad. how critical is this moment for the u.s. to shore up international support for ukraine's counteroffensive. >> great to be with you, peter. i have been here at the u.n. now for about a day and a half. and the is profound. i i met with what's called the b-9 today, which are the eastern flank states. these are states that were part of of the old soviet union. they understand what russia is all about. they are talking to colleagues all over the world here at the u.n. and i think president biden will find that the world understands that this is critical. this is about the u.n. charter, sovereignty, territorial

integrity, the right of countries to make their own political choices. these are the principles of the u.n. charter and countries all over the world are committed to that charterer. he's speaking to that tomorrow. i think he's going to have a ready audience. >> secretary, let me ask you. president biden warned vladimir putin not to use chemical or tactical nuclear weapons. . he said don't. what is your level of concern that vladimir putin will take drastic actions as russian troops there are on the ropes? >> i agree with you there. russian troops appear on the ropes. we see poout talking about mobilizing more people in his country. we see him putting forward the sham referendum in some of the that he thinks he's going to conduct in three days.

and he is on the ropes. it increases our concern that he will use kinds of weapons of war that he should not. he's already weaponized food. he's already weaponized energy. people allover the world are suffering from putin's war. and so i think we should be concerned. but hopefully he understands what the president just conveyed. don't, don't, don't. russia, the world will be changed forever. and none of it will be good for vladimir putin or for the rest of the world. >> you refer to that partial mobilization. we heard from the national security adviser, your colleague jake sullivan was speaking at the white house as we were on the air. he said russia may be resorting to the effort to bring more troops into the mix. that might require as the u.s. suggests conscripts, a new draft there. talk about why that is so

significant, the potential that russia may try to fuel its fight with individuals, which again, the u.s. has spent billions of dollars already. this does have the potential to extend what is already just a dramatic and awful war. >> it does have the potential to extend, but it also is going to send a signal to the people in russia that their leader is desperate. that he needs to draft people. that he has to bring in conscript. i think peter, we cannot end this interview without talking about the yale observatory report today about the part of ukraine where we are hundreds of bodies that are buried. this follows the horrifying circumstances of buccha. everyone wants to get to peace. everyone does not want this war

to go on. the people of ukraine most of all but they also believe they must defend their country, their democracy and the values we all hold dear. >> as we speak about russia and thank you for raising that, russia has yet to offer a serious counterproposal according to multiple officials to the u.s.'s proposed exchange for paul wheelen and brittney griner. how does the u.s. get these americans back? sergey lavrov will be there. is this likely to be discussed on the sidelines in new york? >> well, look. the united states has put a really good proposal on the table to bring home brittney griner and paul whalen. each one of these situations is quite difficult and you've just seen that mark has returned from afghanistan. we work on these cases day and night because our first priority is protecting american citizens at home and abroad. >> let me ask you about some of the news the president made on the esh of taiwan.

he said in the interview that china, we know that china is watching the invasion through the prism of taiwan right now while the u.s. policy on taiwan has not changed. this is what he said about taiwan over the weekend. >> would u.s. forces defend the island? >> yes, if in fact there was an unprecedented attack. >> so unlike ukraine, to be clear, sir, u.s. forces, u.s. men and women, would defend taiwan in the event of a chinese invasion. >> yes. >> so this is a one off. the white house has walked back in the past the president's comments on a series of comments on taiwan and a future u.s. involvement. what signal does that send to the rest of the world that's watching? >> let us be really clear. our policy has not changed. the president is responding to hypotheticals. our policy remains exactly what it has always been. our one china policy remains as

it has been. >> let me ask you about one other issue, the policy as it relates to iran right now. you've said we're in a stalemate over nuclear talks. any potential for this week? the u.n. general assembly? i don't expect that. but let me be clear. the europeans, the e3, really negotiating as the front of the negotiation on the joint conference of planet action has put forward to iran an excellent proposal that ensures compliance for compliance and a return to the jcpoa and now things are in iran's court. they need to make a decision about whether this is in their interest. i believe that it is. i believe that the president of the united states is committed to ensuring that iran never gets a nuclear weapon. the jcpoa is a critical step in that regard to make sure they

never get such a weapon because they'd be able to project astonishing power into the middle east and around the world so i hope iran understands this is really important for them, for us, for the world. >> the u.s. deputy secretary of state. secretary sherman, thank you for your time and being with us. >> thank you, peter. new details as we just noted are coming, rescue workers are pulling out -- richard engel now with more. we should warn you some of the images in richard's report here are disturbing. >> reporter: the russian military has suffered stunning reversals here in eastern ukraine. they've lost thousands of square miles of territory, but what they have left behind as the russian military receded is evidence of what ukrainians say is war crimes and here, they are excavating bodies. we are on the outskirts of

izzium and just today, rescue workers have pulled out about 90 bodies. they've already filled up one refrigerated truck and it looks like they are going to fill up a second. there is a combination of ukrainian soldiers here. one mass grave was filled with ukrainian soldiers. others have been filled with civilians and some of these rescue workers say that they are finding ample evidence of abuse that they're seeing bodies that had broken bones, that had their hands tied behind their backs. earlier, not far from here, we went to a russian headquarters that was used as an interrogation and torture center and when the interrogations and the torture weren't enough, there was already two executions and the body ended up here. and many ukrainians are wondering why. why the russians were so brutal.

why they were carrying out such atrocities. not just here. we saw a similar pattern outside of kyiv when russian troops were forced out of that area. there were mass graves discovered there. there was evidence of torture. torture rooms. and ukrainians are wondering why does this continue to happen. the best answer they can come up with is that the russians are overwhelmed. they're not performing properly. they're getting frustrated and that they've dehumanized the ukrainians with all the propaganda, all the hate, all the anger that you see on russian television, that you hear from russian officials. this is the result. they hate policy and you send soldiers off into battle and you reward the very soldiers who do these kinds of things. you create a cycle of violence. a cycle of atrocities and more

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