following today but today the focus is overseas hearing from russian president vladimir putin. breaking news overnight it, raising rhetoric about the war in ukraine calling up, up to 300,000 reservists in a major mobilization for the war in ukraine and of course hearing from president biden in a few hours creating the united nations general assembly. we'll have complete coverage. thanks to you for getting up "way too early" this wednesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. it's a busy time in new york city, because leaders from all around the world are in town for the u.n. general assembly. yeah. and i just want to say on behalf of all new yorkers, this could have been a zoom. [ laughter ] have we learned nothing? [ applause ] good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, september 21st. the last official day of summer. there is so much happening today. it is the first in-person meeting of the united nations general assembly since the pandemic, and president biden is set to speak this morning, just

as vladimir putin announced a major escalation in the war in ukraine. this all happening overnight calling up reservists and threatening a possible nuclear response as he suffers major setbacks on the battlefield, and in the geopolitical landscape. plus, the latest in the trump documents case as it goes before the special master, the former president's attorneys refuse to back up their claim that trump declassified the documents before taking them to his club in florida. we'll have the reaction from the judge and it is quite telling. also, the attorney general of new york is set to make a major aa nounsa-of- -- announce. we'll discuss what that announcement might be. and new developments in the story of the migrants flown to martha's vineyard with some sent to the massachusetts island now filing a class action lawsuit

against florida governor ron desantis. we'll have all of the details on that. with us, host of "way too early," jonathan lemire. and former aide of the george w. bush elise jordan, msnbc political analyst, willie is making his way back from london. joe has covid, and i'm testing negative so far, but not feeling great. so i'll keep you posted, but let's get right to the news. we begin with a major overnight move by russia. russian president vladimir putin announced he is calling up hundreds of thousands of reservists while also approving a move to annex portions of ukraine in a rare pre-recorded address, putin claimed the west is "trying to destroy us" and that "russia will use all the instruments at its disposal to counter a threat against its territorial integrity. this is not a bluff." the potential nuclear threat comes amid major setbacks for

the kremlin on the battlefield. russia is planning to hold sham referendums beginning friday on parts of ukraine joining russia. these votes are illegal under both ukrainian and be international law. a spokesman for the president of ukraine said the referendum would affectively eliminate any chance for a diplomatic end to the war. let's bring in the president of the council on foreign relations, richard haass. richard, what do you make of this? especially given the fact world leaders are beginning to turn their back to vladimir putin. he is in a corner, and the quote, this is not a bluff. what's your response? >> well, i think it is a bluff. i think it's to intimidate the west and ukraine. the most interesting thing out of all pronouncement, mika, the call for a partial mobilization. up to now, putin's basically wanted to run this war on the cheap. called it a special military operation. the fact that he's now talking

about bringing up the reserves and veterans, several hundred thousand, to me, testament how badly the war is going, and that he's willing to take the risk of real domestic opposition to the war. that's less of a risk for him than to simply let things continue and lose the war, because he can't lose the war, i believe, and hold on to his military and political position. all attacks have come from the right. from these bloggers and other conservatives. i think putin's basically decided to double down and he's trying to intimidate us and i think we have to continue to help ukraine. one other thing i'd say. this may seem somewhat radical. i think the united states and united nations need to say ever use nuclear weapons, if you are to do so we would drop our self-imposed inhibition and restraint of not joining the

war. we would enter the war on ukraine's side and liberate every square inch of ukraine's territory including anything you have in these sham referendums. we need to essentially respond to putin's bluff. >> curious how these refer rem dumbs will go and what the think the russian people, how their response might play out? completely blacked out of news no skepticism about this and finally the position that u.s. president joe biden is in as he's set to speak today? how does he carefully navigate without making too many blanket promises? >> well, in terms of the referendum, i think some russians remain -- many russians, will say, why not? ethnically russian areas to a significant extent. putin so manipulated and controlled the political narrative, the information flow at home. it will have some resonance. the bigger problem, again, though, is the war is not going

well. ukraine's already responded negatively to these false referendums and i don't think it changes anything. for president biden at the u.n. today he'll try to bump up the west, both the united states and europe. europe's going to go through a long, cold winter. president zelenskyy has started calling this the winter of our discontent. i think what the president needs to do, by the way, what exactly the secretary-general of the united nations failed miserably to do, talk about how significant it is for the world to stand up, not to let this aggression stand. and the president will also talk about climate change. i expect also try to clean up some of his remarks the other night about taiwan. so if not a new practice with china, but i think the focus will be on bucking up the united states and more broadly europe to stand up to this, to the russian intimidation and russian shutoff of rts energy exports. >> elise jordan, take it to

richard, but you worked at the state department on the eve of the president making a major speech like this to have such late-breaking news and such a, at least a verbal escalation. what are your thoughts on what happens behind the scenes here? >> putin certainly knows that his actions are dominating the conversations behind the scenes at the u.n. general assembly right now. and that you've got so many diplomats and world leaders rushing around and talking about what he's doing and i imagine a lot of different remarks are being shuffled around, too. but, richard what i would say to you is, wouldn't right now be the best possible time for ukraine to actually negotiate with russia, coming from a point of strength, after reclaiming some territory, and putin clearly operating from weakness at this stage in the war? >> i don't think so, elise. first of all, putin still

controls 22% of ukraine. he still controls probably 97%, 98% of the land taken since 2014. ukraine's not interested in negotiating. i met with the foreign minister a couple days ago. i was in ukraine last week and met with the entire leadership. they're not interested in negotiation. they basically understand that the negotiating table will only reflect the battlefield. they want to reverse russian military gains and then say, we're happy to have a peace settlement based upon complete liberation of our territory. anything else, we're not interested in half a loaf or three quarters of a loaf. it's not obviously something putin would accept and constitutes defeat for him. this talk about negotiation and diplomacy is way, way, way prema chooch. it's a pipe dream. neither side is prepared to compromise. >> know, jonathan lemire with this late-breaking news and the president set to address the

united nations general assembly today, obviously he was going to confront the ukraine situation but also talk about the global food crisis. climate crisis. and yet it's all connected. what are you hearing behind the scenes? >> obviously this news from putin overnight came during the middle of the night here in new york where all the world leaders including president biden were sleeping. preparing for the united nations general assembly, but the white house waking you now. we saept this will be a central piece of the president's remarks. of course, central, always going to be about the structure, conflict between ukraine and russia, now this expect a firm warning from the white house from biden directed towards putin about threats of nuclear weapons and about this mobilization. i'm told, you're right, mika. food prices, energy crisis, all connected. look for the president to aim it towards other nations.

india, china. not gone out of the way to help russia, not in terms of arms or equipment, also have not forcefully condemned russia's actions. have still been in business with russia, by energy supplies allowing putin to fund his war machine. leaders of india and china not in attendens today at the united nations. in fact, a number of world leaders didn't make this trip, but certainly we heard in those world capitals precursor to delivered in-person at the g20 this fall in indonesia. >> all right. we'll cover this developing news throughout the show. president on council of foreign relations richard haass, thank you very much for coming on early this morning last minute. we turn now to the other big story of the morning. yesterday's first hearing before the special master in the case of the documents seized by the fbi during the search of former president donald trump's florida home and club. judge raymond dearie, who trump wanted as the special master, pressed trump's attorneys to

promptly provide more answers about whether the former president did or did not declassify documents marked "top secret" found at mar-a-lago. saying, "you can't have your cake and eat it." if they want to argue the documents might not still be secret. trump's attorneys argued answering that question now would put them at a disadvantage in the face of a positive future criminal prosecution, or a future legal fight over getting seized documents returned to trump. trump claimed on social media he declassified the records he had. but his lawyers have yet to formally make that claim in any sworn court filings. judge dearie didn't issue rulings at the hearing but appeared skeptical about trump's declassifying the highly classified documents found at mar-a-lago some marked top secret.

while trump's attorneys claim neither is showing classified the government presented evidence the documents are, because they bear classification markings, kind of basic. you can see it right on the files. judge dearie saying, as far as i'm concerned that's the end of it. quote/unquote. "until trump's team has evidence to the contrary." suggesting dearie's push to get claims on declassification bas going beyond judge cannon's order. he disadisagreed. taken aback beyond what instructed to do. i think i'm doing what i was told to do. joining us now, senior legal affairs reporter at politico, josh gerstein and former fbi official chuck rosenberg. i guess, first of all, chuck, can we start with basics here. anywhere, is there anywhere in our government documents and

basic values rules, laws, anywhere, where a president can just wave a wand and declassify documents himself and take them to his club? >> well, it's good to start with basics, mika. so, presidents have declassification authority, but not in this way. and, by the way, and you made this point i think abundantly clear just a moment ago. if the president in fact declassified or tried to declassify, or declassified some of it, number one, there would be a process. number two, evidence that it happened. federal judges are used to having people answer their questions in court. the things that work at a political rally or in a playground don't work before a federal judge. when he asks simply, is their any evidence this is declassified? should have gotten an answer. when he didn't, told him everything he needed to do. it didn't happen. if it did happen, they would tell him. mika a couple problems here.

first, the trump folks aren't going to get away with evading answers to logical questions, and, two, because there's no evidence he declassified these documents, the judge is quite right. the evidence lines up, stacks u. as you point out, the stuff is marked. it's the current government, administration of president biden that gets to say what it and is not classified. a very poor showing by the trump lawyers in court in large part, if nos exclusively because they don't have the facts to back up what mr. trump is saying on social media. >> josh, break down what happened in court yesterday. given what chuck just said, started with basics for a reason. how could they not know that? what exactly is their defense to what the judge now is requesting, requiring? and asking fors? when is basics? >> well, mika you know, seemed the judge consulted this hearing with the intention of kind of

putting the trump legal team on their heels a little bit, making clear he would drive times of this process and they have to come forward, you discussed with uk which, with evidence they're going to keep pushing this claim about declassification. seemed to me sitting there in the courtroom with judge dearie, he was very soft-spoken but would offer almost caustic rebuttals to what the trump lawyers said. a case not yet filed. right? no criminal charges. ate this point two options open to defend trump. one, ignorance defense maybe he didn't know exactly what documents were down there at mar-a-lago and, therefore, he couldn't be responsible for that, and the other is this declassification claim. which defense they want to use would depend on what charges the government brings. you know? a charge about classified

information maybe would try a declassification defense. but if it's just going to be a claim that caused lies to be told to the u.s. government or obstruction of justice, might want to go in a different direction saying he didn't really know what he had. there's a lot of news clippings and memorabilia, maybe something classified in those boxes but he's a busy guy. they just don't want to pick now which defense they want to use, and made that abundantly clear in the courtroom yesterday. >> yeah. jonathan lemire, i think the judge seems he wants to wrap this up. getting the special master was sort of an attempt to drag things out so they could maybe figure out different strategies, he seems to want to get this going. i believe even said i want to wrap this up by something like october 6th? >> yeah. the hallmark tactic from the trump legal team always delay, delay, delay, delay. seen it in every case. so far this jump is not having it suggesting he wants to

operate on a timetable configure than the one the department of justice proposed. unless something changes, this may go faster than we perhaps first anticipated. chuck, your assessment, a bad day for the trump legal team. feels like we hear that a lot. what happens now with the special master? walk us through the next couple of steps and what, if any, resource each side has? >> right. so judge dearie has a couple of things he that to do, jonathan. he has to screen for executive privilege. i imagine there's going to be almost none of that. at least not validly so. he has to screen for attorney-client privilege, as there is, we know there's some of that, but the government has already looked through some of these documents, and set aside documents it believes might be subject to the attorney-client privilege. he has to make some determinations about classification. the stuff we just discussed, and then there's going to be a large group of documents that don't fit in under any of these

categories. so what he has to do, jonathan, figure out what goes to the investigative team and what doesn't. i imagine one way or the other, the government's going to get what its entitled to. like it sooner rather than later. like be it yesterday rather than tomorrow. but they're still going to get the stuff to which they're entitled meaning the investigation will continue into a point you just discussed with mika. it's going to happen relatively quickly. so delay doesn't help the government, but this is not going to be inordinate delay, and the investigation's going to continue and the government's going to get the stuff to which its entitled. >> interesting. josh, former president trump is out making speeches, still claiming his election was stolen and incredible, happening with this. pledging support in legal fight over seized documents.

11 ags filed and amicus the biden administration for ransacking the home of one time and possibly future political rival. the brief rattles off a list of unrelated grievances it ignores the issue of trump taking sensitive documents with him to his home. in fact, in the 21-page filing the word "classified" is not used once. instead the ags argue, the court should "view the biden administration's assertions of good fate neutrality and objectivity through jaundiced eyes." first of all, the level of disinformation remains equally as high. among trump supporters. whether january 6th or these documents. and it's hard for me to understand how that is not interesting as well to the department of justice or anybody

investigating this former president. >> yeah, mika. these are pretty hard right, you might call them normally law and order-type prosecutors, that are filing this brief, and suddenly when they get near president trump it seems that the needle on their compass starts spinning in all sorts of different directions. you get unusual results where they're calling basically for the former president to be treated with kid gloves in the context of this investigation. what happens in the appeal they weighed in on yesterday is pretty important at this point, because that court, 11th circuit down in atlanta, deciding whether the classified information, that was seized, or marked classified information seized from the president's florida home is going to be part of this special master review or not. all of this discussion that was had with judge dearie yesterday could potentially be mute, at least on the issue of classified information, if the justice department is able to persuade

that appeals court that the they're entitled to this information that was marked classified and especially president trump's lawyer don't have the right to review it at this time. >> senior legal affairs reporter at politico josh and former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official cluck rosenberg. thank you both for being on this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," the migrants flown to martha's vineyard take legal action against it's man who sent them there. plus, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell moves on. we'll play hi comments. also ahead, another legal case against the former president could be moving forward in a big way. what we know about an announcement from the new york attorney general that's set for laters think morning. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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florida, help tiny number of illegal immigrants secure transportation to the wealthy liberal destine aches at martha's vineyard, and appointed itself a so-called sanctuary destination back in 2017. >> there is a sheriff in texas who is demanding a criminal investigation of governor desantis of florida on the grounds that he misled and mistreated those migrants that he flew up to cape cod. what do you make of that? >> i think it's really silly. i saw that headline and you know, look, we have elected sheriffs in texas. sometimes you see someone who wants to make a newspaper headline, but let's be clear. there's nothing -- >> a common talking point seems to be emerging from top republicans. meanwhile, the migrants who were flown from texas to martha's vineyard file add class action

lawsuit against florida governor ron desantis. alleging they were victims of fraud. a chicago-based migrant organization and three of the people who landed on the massachusetts' island accused desantis and his co-defendants of a "premed it taed fraudulent and illegal scheme for the sole purpose of advancing their own financial, political interests." seeking damages and asked the court to block the governor from incuesing immigrants to cross across state lines by fraud and misinformation. deliberately sowing confusion, keeping delaware officials guessing the entire day. the chaos started after reports emerged a plane carrying migrants was headed to delaware. president biden's home state.

the governor gathered sources to greet the flight. instead it landed just outside new york city where biden was visiting for the ongoing general assembly but with no migrants onboard. a source close to desantis told nbc news it was an intentional move by the governor to keep the migrants issue alive adding, he didn't tell anyone and purposefully left people in the dark. technically the media, democrats, everyone got punched. punked. funny, isn't he? joining us, mara gaye. you know, it's very hard to not become incensed about this, but, again, that's another thing that ron desantis wants. at the same time, it is true there is a crisis at the border. it is true both parties could do more. it is true much more can be done

and should be done with the very realistic crisis at the border, but this, of course, is taking human lives, a group of human lives, people, human beings, and making them feel agony, fear, terror, and misguiding them, and transporting them. i -- it's hard to have a conversation with someone who thinks that's funny, or that's okay. so how to have a conversation about this? will this work for these republican governors who think, wow. this is is a great way to get headlines and own the libs? >> well, you said it, mika. that's what this is about. it's about owning the libs. i mean, two separate issues, you pointed out. there is a border crisis. it's real. actually the best response for the adults in the room is to kind of walk and chew gum at the same time, which is to say, address that crisis. both on a humanitarian level and just from perspective of this is

a nation of laws. we do have a border. it's important to enforce that. important to understand the communities that live around that border and what they're dealing with. that's all fine. there should be a process. a process with which the country account move forward. it's clearly fraud, i understand that, but something democrats and republicans should be working on together, and at least democrats can come up with a plan of their own. it's been some time since we've seen that. then separately, i mean, this is all a stunt. we know this is is a stunt. it's cruel, it's unusual and really has become symbolic of the larger just meanness within the republican party. it's just extraordinary, but, of course, it's backfired in the sense, of course, we've seen americans in places where migrants have been shipped to who have rallied to support these individuals who have overcome great odds to come here. by the way, are here legally. the problem, we have echo chambers. actually, it's not clear that

desantis is going to care about what's actually happening on the ground, because his hard-core supporters are watching fox news. they're not really looking at how people are responding with kindness, with compassion, and charitiably. this is really just a political stunt, and the cruel and unusual. >> and say it again. a stunt. these are human beings in the middle of all this. having said that, talk about the politics of it. you started to go there a little bit. certainly polling, one consult poll this morning suggesting that democrats, of course, oppose this, a lot of independents as well. republicans largely approve. this is ron desantis is what is it, right, owning the libs, about being mean, a base play. someone looking at 2024, and we have now remembered reporting donald trump is envious of this stunt claiming he thought of it and desantis sol the idea.

that should frame how they think about this on the republican party. is it possible ron desantis, a great political play, if he's looking to be their nominee? >> it is is a great political play for him. i mean, what a sad fact. i think that the politics of the republican party is just play to the base as long and hard s you can. that's what this is. i don't know how he'll pivot from that. 20 years, compassionate conservatism of george bush. end of the day he doesn't care about the migrants or a solution at the border. i doubt he cares about people living at the border, american citizens who have reasonable concerns about this. he cares about his own standing with the base, and, of course, trying to out trump or out fox trump, i don't know -- >> thank you for bringing up compassionate conservatism.

this is not conservative. that's what also i don't get mitch mcconnell praising this. i don't get republican leaders praising this. how is using florida taxpayer dollars to transport migrants, sadism aside, out of another state, texas, that doesn't even deal with your state, to another state? how is that in the benefit of florida taxpayer? all of those millions of dollars? that's not conservatism. that's just waste, corruption, because the money to fuel your own political ambitions. this story just really gets me, because it's just so damn wasteful, and on top of being sick and sick and twisted, it'sed kind of is a distic, knows hazing is going on, standing in the other room, won't do anything and planned it all. it's gross. >> we've seen desantis before take positions to the right of trump in terence of the pandemic response.

he's doing that again. >> he's doing it again. you know, one small silver lining here is that some of the migrants may actually end up getting better services outside of texas and florida than they would have gotten before. so that, for me, kind of trying to hold on to the idea that these actual human beings are arriving, it seems, in places they're getting more support than they would have gotten, surely better than smub coming up to you potentially committing fraud, and human trafficking, you know, with false promises. >> right. by the grace of god, people are there on the ground who are actually practicing principles of compassion and grace. >> yeah. >> because this sick guy sure didn't care about them. >> exactly. and you're right, elicia, it's sick and four republicans with pinns they don't feel like sharing. you might want to share. you're human beings, too, though

it's hard to believe. i know some of you have a hard time getting over donald trump. make you can't get over donald trump. maybe too scared to step out of like with donald trump, but do you really want to be in the party of are inhumanity? the party that is literally becoming inhumane? are you going to be the party that forces a child to bear a child of its rapist, number one? that's your party. the party that thinks owning weapons of war should be free and easy for everybody in an age where our children are getting slaughtered on a regular basis? that's -- your party. now, you're in the party that thinks it's funny -- thinks it's funny -- to mislead fathers, mothers and babies who have fled oppression in their country, walked through many countries to get here to america to seek asylum, yes, at the border, where there is, yes, a crisis. you think it's funny to mislead

them and load them up on to a plane, tell them they're going to a better place and then put them in a place where they are sure to mistheir asylum hearing so that they are forced to break a law so that they end up either deported or in jail? your hilarious. you're so funny. you're so cool. that must be cool, to be so unbelievably sick and coldhearted. that is the republican party today. it's the party of inhumanity. i'm not even exaggerating. look at the three issues. that's where you stand. so good luck dwechbding that in future elections. we'll continue this conversation on migrants and issues at the border in our next hour with former secretary of homeland security jeh johnson and next on "morning joe" hear from gen-z republicans in the battleground state of pennsylvania. how they're feeling about the key issues and the former president ahead of the midterms. we'll be right back. back.

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49 past the hour. a live look at philadelphia for you this morning. we are following a special series on the gen-z vote. reporting from the battleground state of pennsylvania. >> reporter: midterms around the corner with tame to philadelphia and talked to gen-z republicans asking what issues are important to them. >> these midterms are important. a lot of things on the bail it that have not always been. i know that abortion is a huge issue and i think the most important thing that has come out of this overturning is that this election matters. >> reporter: would you consider norse pro-choice or pro-life? >> i don't want to label myself as either. as a woman, you make these decisions that are super hard, and you don't necessarily know what your life has in store later on.

>> i support the decision to overturn roe v. wade bringing power back to people as shos have been. >> as a woman i believe in people haven autonomy over their bodies. >> reporter: not black and white? >> definitely not. >> a lot of your party follows donald trump. >> absolutely. >> reporter: if he was on the ballot, would were he be your pick? >> depends who wassing on the democratic side. >> reporter: you would not vote tore donald trump. >> no. i think his rhetoric is to device iran. >> i don't agree with everything but some things are kind of true but i wouldn't consider myself, like, a trump, like, you know, full-on, like, supporter. >> reporter: you voted for donald trump in 2020. do you think, like, were you

happy with his leadership? would you vote for him against? >> yes, 100%. >> reporter: you thought he was effective? >> yes. in comparison to who we have. >> too athousand tative for my taste. i wish to return to traditional conservatism. i care more about issues and kind of end results over a specific candidate or a party. oh first look across the aisle to see what's there. i definitely prefer -- >> reporter: why do you identify as republican? >> identify as republican, because my family was mostly republican, and i do agree with some things republicans say. i'm kind of in the middle. you know? i am a republican, but i feel like you can kind of sway towards other parties sometimes. >> i would say i'm a moderate republican but certain issues i lean more towards the left. other issues i lean more towards the right. >> reporter: where do you lean to the left? >> roe v. wade, pro-choice, gun

safety. happy to see gun control measures passed this past summer and i think there's a way to protect the second amendment also insuring that communities are safe. >> definitely the wolf movement i'm extremely concerned about especially within the next five, ten years where i will eventually be having children. especially someone who lives in a liberal city. kind of disensuedes people like me, conservative, to live in this type environment. >> bring in director of polling at institute of politics at harvard university. he's an msnbc political contributor and author of book "fight: how again-z is channelling their fear and passion two save america." i thought the pete by daniella was fascinating and i think -- let me ask if you agree that herein lies the remember, she had really thoughtful conversations with bright, young people. will they vote?

>> yes. i think she did a terrific job. really uncovering the values of this generation. mika, we spent so much time talking about young people as a progressive generation. 77% voted democrat in midterms in '18. 60% voted for joe biden. as the piece pointed out it's not a monolith. a quarter of this generation is republican. a quarter conservative, and they are as likely to vote today as they were actually more so than they were back in 2018. so fewer young republicans, young democrats, but both sides i think of the political spectrum are very, very engaged and likely to vote this coming november. >> so, you know, we recently spoke to former chief speechwriter for president obama jon favreau who shared a clip in this podcast, folds beautifully into this conversation. he spoke with a group of yun

young voter in southern california. live. >> how many of you plan on voting in the mid-term elections this november? >> what is that? >> three -- four. >> i could. >> i filled out a ballot, like, a couple weeks ago. was that for the november election? i don't even know. >> reporter: i believe there was a primary election. >> okay. i'll just do what i did -- >> reporter: who is your member of congress and do you think they're doing a good job? [ silence ] >> i don't know anyone in congress. >> reporter: that's fine. does anyone know who their member of congress is? >> no. >> no. >> okay. >> oh! this made me cry. it's just like, you know -- jon, seems to me that the challenge is still to figure out how to ten gauge young people civically, even on a local

level, to have them understand the basic framework of our political system. i mean, these were bright, young people, just like the folks that daniella spoke with. >> yes. that's right, mika. you know, this generation has been the most active we've seen, but still by definition most active, midterm election, less than 40% will vote. that's twice the number that my generation and your generation and generation older than us participated, but still clearly kind of not enough. what we're hearing, though, i think, is a real kind of struggle between kind of the values of younger people and how they comport with the republican politics of today. there's a very different set of values than people might believe. for example, among the most important issues in the minds of young people, we heard are abortion and reproductive health. one. we also heard concern about school shootings. we also heard concern about the

economy and inflation, but one of the significant differences between younger republicans and younger democrats is that this idea of wokism specifically, concerns about religious freedom. democrats and republicans concerned losing rights but specifically younger republicans, concern about religious freedom. i think what we need to do is, we care so much i think about civic engagement and spend so much time talking about more progressive elements of this generation, but it's important to understand and listen and respect where younger republicans are coming from as well. >> jon, mara gay here. this is fascinating. i wonder, did you get any sense about where these young people were getting their information from? i think their parents, if those are republican parents, may be watching cable news, fox news, but you don't usually see that among young people. even young republican. where are they getting their information from?

is there a republican young group on tiktoks? what are you hearing? >> one of the more interesting things, marsa, we asked how values are shaped young republicans are more likely to be influenced by their parents. by their parents' beliefs. we heard that in daniella's piece. wheres it young democrats are more likely influenced by their friends. one significant difference. you're right. there is conservatives throughout social media and clearly fox news information also being heard, and repeateds among these tight republican circles. >> all right. director of polling at institute of politics at harvard university. jon dell volpe, thank you. member of the "new york times" mara gay, thank you as well. coming up, we'll speak with a member of the senate foreign relations committee. democrat chris murphy, ahead of

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i'm not as smart and he's a preacher a smart man wearing nice suits. got to show up and embarrass mere at the debate october 14th. i'm just waiting. it i'm show up and i'm going to do my best. going to do my best. >> republican senate nominee herschel walker, trying to downplay expectations ahead of the upcoming debate with democratic senator rafael

warnock. welcome back to "morning joe." a lot happyhappy -- happening t. willie's off, joe has covid. and president putin mobilizes more troops and we'll have the very latest. plus, special master requested and approved by donald trump pushes his legal team to prove their claims trump declassified documents seized from mar-a-lago himself, but can they do that? and former homeland security secretary jeh johnson is our guest amid the political theater from republican governors over their handling of migrants. playing with their lives. jonathan lemire and elise jordan are still with us and mike barnicle and former chief of staff to the dccc, senior aide to the hillary clinton and biden presidential campaigns and before we launch, adrian, your

thoughts or herschel walker that's -- i don't think i've heard a strategy like that before. >> yeah. i couldn't agree with you more, mika. amazing to me this race is even close. shows you how close the electorate is in georgia. i think these debates will be really important. i think rafael warnock will shine in these debates, and the thing we've got to keep in mind in georgia is it is a runoff election. you need 50% to avoid the runoff. i think we'll see this race likely go beyond november. these debates will be really important. >> all right. let's start now with yesterday's first hearing before the special master in the case of the documents seized by the fbi during the search of former president donald trump's florida home and club. judge raymond dearie, who trump's attorneys wanted, pressed trump's attorneys to promptly provide more answers about whether the former president did or did not declassify documents marked "top

secret" found at mar-a-lago. saying, "you can't have your cake and eat it." if they want to argue, the documents might not still be secret. trump's attorneys have argued answering that question now could put them at a disadvantage in the face of a possible future criminal prosecution, or a future legal fight over getting seized documents returned to trump. trump has claimed on social media that he personally declassified all of the records he had. but his lawyers have yet to formally make that argument in any sworn court filings. judge dearie didn't issue any rulings about the hearing, but appeared skeptical about trump's contention he had declassified the more than 100 highly sensitive documents in question found at mar-a-lago. some of them marked vividly "top secret." while trump's filing claimed neither side had choed the documents are classified, judge

dearie said the government presented evidence the documents are, because they bear classification markings. judge dearie saying "as far as i'm concerned, that's the end of it." "unless trump's team has some evidence to the contrary." trump's lawyer suggested dearie's push to get details about claims of declassification was going beyond judge aileen cannon's order. judge dearie disagreed saying "i'm taken aback by your comment that i'm going beyond what judge cannon instructed me to do. i think i'm doing what i was told to do." let's bring in nbc news investigations correspondent tom winter. tom, it appears the trump team might have miscalculated judge deers and this whole concept of a special master, but then again, when you look at the basics of classification, who can, who can't, when and where these documents were found, who would be surprised? >> i think judge dearie keyed in on a key point yet essentially

saying the trump defense team and former president brought the eel action, they're the plaintiff, went to court themselves and now in a position where they're the ones that have to prove the claims that they've made. specifically as relates to the classification claims. now, you talk about it. he smartly keyed in on the fact they're the plaintiffs and that these too classified documents are what the government says is classified. who am i to argue with them? not in the a position to dispute with the federal government unless you can bring evidence that says otherwise, i'm going along with it, and frankly i don't even need to look at them. maybe nobody should look at them on a need-to-know basis and judge dearie argued they haven't been able to see the documents because they're so highly classified and closely-held secrets, mika. when you look at it, the judge keying in on this fact, you

brought the claim. up to you to prove it, if not we're moving on. and federal prosecutors before the 11th court of appeals file add motion leaning into this continuing to argue they could be declassified. listen, jumps, theyjudged, prov no documentation to back that up and something conservative lawyers are keying on as well. at this point, if there was a case to be made, they either have sworn declarations, having in writing. this would be the point potentially they would make it. as you said, could reserve it for future arguments. right now coming up short in the eyes of the judge. >> tom, how long do trump's lawyers have to hold this up? some say it is a strategy to do just that. the judge has said, these are things i need from you. jump's lawyers appear to push back but the judge also said, you know, we're going to move on here in the next few weeks. this is the no going to drag out. what's next? >> yes. he's made it clear and still has to enter his scheduling order.

looks like instead of this waiting until after thanksgiving, we talked about this yesterday, based on files we had, now it appears the judge wants it wrapped up perhaps in the next four, five weeks or so. that the review completed. it if any of the sides, in this case, trump side bringing claims of privilege. able to review that and go before the government and plos prosecutors, you have to fight over it and make determination and send them to judge cannon. ality this point, a delay tactic here and haven't said that overtly on the trump side. legal experts said just what you did, that in fact this appears to be perhaps a delay tactic. that delay tactic only is going to buy them barely a month, mika. >> and talk about judge dearie again. federal district court jump. longtime judge. three decades on the bench. formerly part of the fisa court. so what is going through his

mind, do you think, when he is looking at this classified information, potentially classified information, and listening to the trump lawyers as they discuss why they cannot tell him whether the information is classified or not classified? let's talk about judge dearie's patience as a jurist? >> i think you're talking about a judge, to your point. worked on the fisa court. somebody who oversaw secretive legal filings this country has. an issue of classification, somebody well versed in the topic. understanding special programs that exist, very need-to-know information he highlighted yesterday. he had a reticence handing them over to the trump team to review noting secrecy contained in them. patience as a jurist, it's ran out already and he's moving on and doesn't see a reason to look at these it documents absent some filing from trump's attorneys. i think at this point through

the hourglass as relates to jump dearie on this issue. >> tom, a lot going on. also news new york attorney general letitia james, who has been investigating finances of former president trump is expected to make a "major announcement" later this morning. no details given about nature of the announcement, james previously indicated that she could sue trump after rejecting an offertory resolve a civil investigation into the former president and his family's real estate business. according to the "new york times," the trump organization tried to reach a deal with james after her office told a court back in january it had uncovered evidence the company used "fraudulent or misleading asset valuations to secure loans and other tax benefits." also a trump narrative for decades. if a lawsuit is announced it could lead to financial penalties and restrictions on

the company's dealings in new york. trump has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing and called the investigation politically motivated. what do we know about this major announcement, tom? anything? >> i think it's telling we haven't heard from anybody yet as far as what this is with any level of detail. so i can't report to you for sure what this is about this morning. for all reasons you laid out and the most important reason from an investigative standpoint they've already talked to all the principles. former president appeared before the attorney general's office for a deposition. his children have. they've gotten all the documents they obviously have in conjunction with their investigation with the manhattan district attorney's office, able to receive tax records and able to receive essentially everything asked for. as you know, because we've talked about it on this program before, i thought the marker of the deposition of the former president was really kind of the last big one for them, and at that point would have to make

decisions. it's been a couple of months since that occurred. not even, actually. so i think probably makes sense they're coming close to making a decision, and so if that's today that would not be particularly surprising to me, given the timing, given what we know and what you reported and what the "new york times" has reported. >> yeah. and talk about the politics here and the potential opportunities for democrats in the leadup to midterms, which usually historically are pretty tough for the party in power. but -- i just wonder if you agree. seems to me that as pertains to trump and any potential criminal investigations, legal filings, doj moves, leave it up to the voter and focus on abortion. the fact republicans would force a child to bear a child of a rapist, guns. weapons of war easily accessible to school shooters, and also this migrant issue, which feeds

into the inhumanity some might say is pervading the republican party at this point. do you think democrats will be able to clearly make this case and do you also think it's important to sort of less the voters decide on trump on their own, and why? >> yeah. exactly, mika. you laid it out perfectly. bottom line is, donald trump is bearing hill. himself. drawing headlines. democrats need to make a contrast on issues saying they're on the right side of american families, majority of families stand on abortion, stand on gun control legislation. where they stand on all issues mentioned. they don't necessarily need to go out and say, oh, trump is under investigation. time and time again. those are the things we know. again, mika you know, elections are about choices. that is what, the point democrats have to make on the campaign trail. don't need to talk about donald trump. all problems and woes affecting him. they need to make the case to

voters why democrats should remain in power. why we should be in control of the house and senate and, of course, the presidency. >> so, tom, obviously we'll find out in a couple hours what the new york attorney general has to announce. that aside, what are the next steps coming from the special master as well as the 11th circuit court of appeals? >> a couple of things in the air. i say this with asterisks and caveats. it's possible trump's attorneys might go back to jump cannon in florida and request clarification, or request the special master per view may be a little more focused on unfocused depending how they see it. with respect to the special master should get any moment, frankly, a detailed schedule how this review will go. timetable, a vendor picked to kind of host all of these documents in a secure way. not the classified. the other documents seized. then go through that on a rolling basis as federal prosecutors turn that information over next week. that's how the special master's

review will go and what we should hear next. from the 11th circuit court of appeals we need still to determine whether or not the skort is going to hear arguments. whether they'll grant the stay, which would nen allow, a little complicated, but then allow federal prosecutors in this odni review of classified information to move forward both from a damage assessment standpoint, also to be used in the ongoing federal criminal investigation and important thing that investigation has been going on, can still go on. just documents seized at mar-a-lago temporarily until this 11th circuit court of appeals make a decision here temporarily. something federal prosecutors and fbi can't use, should be noted yesterday in court that the representative for the department of justice said that if the 11th circuit court of appeals does not agree with the justice department, they see a route for additional avenue of appeal. additional avenue from there the supreme court of the united states. we'll see where that goes. it a little news sitting here.

this 10:30 a.m. eastern time major announcement from letitia james pushed back an hour until 11:30. no we should look much into that. the president speaking at the u.n. 10:30. >> exactly right. >> absolutely. makes sense. nbc's tom winter. thank you very much for joining us this morning. we also have big news. russia's overnight escalation on the war in ukraine. russian president vladimir putin announced he is calling up hundreds of thousands of reservists while also approving a move to annex portions of ukraine. in a rare, pre-recorded address, putin claimed the west is "trying to destroy us, and that -- russia, will use all against its territorial integrity. this is not a bluff." this threat amongst major

setbacks and beginning friday, parts of ukraine joining russia. the votes are illegal under ukrainian and international law. joining us member of the foreign relations committee democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut. thanks for being on. first, reaction to this major announcement by putin overnight ux and do you think it's because the world is slowly, openly, turning its back on this war? >> i think putin is primarily speaking to a domestic audience. increasingly, he's facing major resistance inside his country, from many of his own political advisers, who see this war going horribly inside ukraine. not only has the west been united against russia, has nato expanded, europe has stuck together, but as we've seen over the last 30 days, ukraine is

advancing. russia headed into a massive recession, which is going to provide a real platform of instability for putin and his oligarchy. so i think he has to justify to his elites why he's staying in this war. he's got to justify to the public. that's why he creating this impress there's some threat to his own country's territorial integrity. of course, that's made up. that's a lie. ukraine is not seeking to expand its territory into russia. russia is attempting to overrun ukraine. so, yes, it's true that there have been tough words for putin from his friends in beijing and ankara, but this is a lot of putin facing some real hostility internally and trying to gin up support for his illegal war domestically. >> senator murphy, the american

aid, intelligence and weaponly to ukraine. looking at a very different battlefield. a very different landscape of politically and militarily ways. you've indicated recently you think if the republicans maintain -- win control of the house or the senate, in these off-year elections coming up, that aid could be reduced if not eliminated. why would anyone do that at this point? >> well, i just reading writing on the wall. one-third of house republicans voted against the may supplemental operations for ukraine, and many closest to trump spent that time online castigating house republicans for supporting ukraine aid. i just see a freight train coming, and that is trump and his operation turning against aid for ukraine. house republicans, if they were to take the majority, being

naturally against anything joe biden is for, including the war in ukraine and there being a real crisis where house republican majority would refuse to support additional aid to ukraine. we saw this during the obama administration, when president obama was proposing to bomb seary in response to assad's use of chemical weapons. republicans who normally would support that pposed it simply because it was prosed by president obama. the same would happen if the senate falls into republican control. why would they do that? no good national security reason to feed ukraine to russia. domestic politics. what joe biden is for, i fear, a house republican majority will be against. >> senator, talk about taiwan. over the summer president biden said not just once, device,

three times, but four times that america would come to the defense of taiwan if attacked by the chinese. is it politically palatable for the american public to send their sons and daughters to defend taiwan? is that the policy of president biden? >> well, i don't think that that's a reality we're going to have to confront for a number of years. china today is not ready to launch an invasion against taiwan and a decision about whether the united states should come to the aid of taiwan will be fact-based. so i don't know that today i can sit here and tell you whether i would support sending u.s. forces to defend the island. what i do know is that we should be ready, and we've been served well over the years by a policy in which we hold open. the potential that the united states will defend taiwan. it is part of what holds china at bay. i do worry a bit that there are

those in washington that are arguing to move this strategic ambiguity toy a policy of strategic clarity. essentially a security guarantee for taiwan and that might precipitate an invasion and move up the date upon which china advances on the island before taiwan is ready. so for me, it may be that the united states will come to taiwan's aid. but i don't think we necessarily have to preview that so explicitly until faced with that inevitability. >> senator chris murphy, thank you so much for coming on this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," former secretary of homeland security jeh johnson join us us to talk about the complexities of the migrant crisis. plus, we'll get an update on hurricane fiona and the devastating damage it left behind in puerto rico. also ahead, a top law maker in arizona on his way out of office because he stood up to maga republicans and stood up

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because they find some new way to scare the living daylights out of swing voters about something. that's what they did in 2021 where they made critical waste theory sound worse than smallpox, and it wasn't being taught in any public schools in america, but they didn't care. they just scare people. and at the end, the break point in american politics is not much different than is was in the '90s. that is, you still have to get those people, just that there's so many fewer, because as the parties have gone more ideological and clear and somehow psychically intolerant, they pull fewer than more and more people towards the extremes, but there's still some people hanging on there who are really trying to think and trying to understand what's going on. >> let's dig deeper into what the former president said. i think he's right. two issues especially during

this election cycle. abortion and guns, maybe some others as well. that, i don't know if they cross party lines, but they definitely drum up voter enthusiasm. >> yeah. that's right, mika. i think the point he's also making is there are a lot of people there in the middle who are ultimately going to decide the election, those moderate swing voters, independent voters ultimately decide what happens 2022. what happens in 2024. republicans close well, the point he's getting at, that they close on issues trying to draw in scare tactics and try to make voters nervous. we're seeing it play out with immigration bp ron desantis and governor abbott, seeing how many migrants they can fly to different states. obvious grotesque political stunt and turns off independent voters. sometimes what republicans forget is that 32 to 33% of the

republican base who's pretty much always going to be with donald trump or whoever becomes the maga candidate going into 2024, that's not enough to get that person elected. we saw this play out with immigration in 2018 when republicans tried to bring it up again and it didn't work. so president clinton is exactly right. elections are about choices, drawing that contrast. look, democrats are in a really good position right now. not exactly we thought would be the case a couple months ago because republicans of overplaying their hands, and democrats delivered. joe biden delivered. chuck sur schumer, nancy pelosi delivered for the american people and a lot to run on. things are much better than a couple months ago. >> and republicans like ron desantis like to frame those who cross the border whether seeking asylum or illegally crossing the border as rapists, criminals and

have them in a box. what this flight to martha's vineyard has done allowed democrats to, and residents of martha's vineyard, to rally around these people. they have legal representation knew. we're going to know who they are and what their stories are and hear what happened to them. it's going to it be hard to hide behind. some of these people were escaping the horrors of their own country. seeking asylum in america and then misled, loaded on a plane and led to believe they were going to a better place and actually forced to miss think asylum hearings? it's sick. hard to look at it any other way. i get some can. and florida governor desantis is facing criticism and mig graunlts are now suing him accusing him of fraud. we have the latest. >> nobody can deny that there's a crisis. >> reporter: this morning, florida's republican governor ron desantis facing backlash for

his decision to fly 48 venezuelan migrants to martha's vineyard last week. attorneys filing a lawsuit against desantis and other florida officials accusing them of a premeditated frauch wlent and illegal scheme to transport them to the island. the migrants lured with incentives like mcdonald's gift certificate and free hotel stays promised jobs, housing and educational opportunities if they boarded planes to other states. desantis maintains the flights were voluntary and migrants signed a consent form shared overnight by his office responding florida many program gave them a fresh start in a sanctuary state and these individuals opted to take advantage of chartered flights to massachusetts. >> if 50 was a burden on one of the richest places in our country, what about all of these other communities that have been overrun with hundreds or thousands? >> reporter: the law comes two

days after a texas sheriff announced a criminal investigation is into the flights which originated in his state. this sheriff says migrants were lured with false promises of work and assistance. this man says he supports the sheriff's investigation but urging the biden administration to ensure reform. >> that people were understand and enforce and abide by. we don't have that. >> reporter: homeland security reports illegal border crossings hit a record high totaling more than 2 million in the last 11 months. >> joining us now, former secretary of homeland security under president obama. jeh johnson. also with us, executive director of catholic charities and good to have you both. just under two hours the

secretary presents you recognizing work with refugees and immigrants. good to have you both. mr. secretary, first i want to ask you the latest news on be this. as a former head of homeland security, does sheriff salazar have a point, perhaps what's happened presents legal issues for the governors who committed this, quite frankly, act of cruelty? >> good morning, mika. i'm not prepared at this point to offer a legal judgment about whether or not what these governors are doing constitutes a federal offense or a state offense. i do know that it frankly is a political stunt. there is a right way and a wrong way to assist migrants in getting into the interior of the united states after they've been released by the border patrol at the border.

if governor desantis represents the most cynical attitude towards immigration in this country, the person to my left represents the best of america in my judgment. sister norma has been year after year, day after day literally clothing and feeding migrants, doing her duty as a christian. after the border patrol releases them in the rio grande valley in southern texas, she takes them in, and steers clear of politics year after year, and as she describes it, it's her mission, it's to restore dignity and honor in life, and so i will be honored in about an hour to present sister norma with this leadership award here in new york city. >> congratulations you deserve

it certainly. >> thank you. thank you so much. >> the border is where you live. it's where your from. >> yes. >> it's who you are. >> yes. >> you greet each day at the border with your eyesight, with a sense of mercy, with a sense of compassion. i would argue that very few people in this land know the border better than you do. we see each day in the news thousands of people crossing the border. fleeing from whatever country they're coming from. whatever unruly situation their lives have been south of the border. trying to get into america. what would you do if you were in charge of the border? >> i would make sure that, first off, not losing sight of the fact that these are human beings in desperate need of being treated with dignity and respect. and so -- then we must provide

for them a safe passage. an orderly way to respect our laws and enter our country safely and orderly, in a way that protects our country and protects them as well. >> do we have enough help at the border? the united states government employees, customs and border people, the health people. do we have enough to get that job done? >> you know, i work with local law enforcement, border patrol all the time, in great partnership and they're excellent men and women who work with me and want to do things right. i think all the support that the united states can give them to do their job, it's always good. you know? because i think they need that help, to make sure that we do have a safe border, safe borders, and that we do have the right way to treat people that are asking for protection, for safety in our country. >> what do you say to people, we

don't mind. we welcome immigrants, but we want them to come here legally? >> definitely. i think that providing a safe passage is the right thing to do, because we keep them from exposing their lives to enter through a river that is very dangerous and risking the lives of children and mothers and families. it's not the right way. we need to provide that safe passage through ports of entry. i think that right now something like that is already happening through title 42. just amplify and secure that process would be excellent. >> mr. secretary, talk about the border a minute. heard from the president yesterday, asked about the situation. he noted the countries, in mexico, fewer migrants at this moment are coming to thes united states. really, three other nations. venezuela, cuba and nicaragua, where the issue is. what's your assessment of that and what can be done about it? >> an evolving picture, very much. when i was in office, the

numbers were annually about 300, 400,000 a year. we're now getting that in a matter of six to eight weeks. >> hmm. >> also, when i was in office, as sister norma knows, we were dealing with migrants from the northern triangle. women, children from guatemala, honduras, el salvador. that is less so now. it's, as you noted, cuba, nicaragua, venezuela. those countries are literally imploding, and the migration is headed not just to the north but to the south as well. on top of that, we do not have diplomatic relations. good diplomatic relations with these countries. so they do not agree to repatriate their citizens. we can't send them back in the conventional way like you would in central america. so the resources we have on the southern border to deal with this, border patrol, the holding facilities, are much bigger than they were seven eight years ago

but numbers are bigger and smugglers are much better than this. bigger buses. more ability to move larger numbers of people. it's the communities, frankly, on the southern border, and sister norma knows this all too well that have to absorb these numbers day after day after day. so as i said earlier, there is is a right way and a wrong way to absorb this migration, and a lot of it has to be through cooperation between the federal government, state government, catholic charities and rio grande valley catholic charities appear in the north, and if i could put on my border security enforcement hat for a moment here. we do need to send a message, frankly, south that we are sending people back. we are sending people back that over 100,000 a month. that was a message that i would emphasize when i was in office and i discovered in washington in particular you have to recent yourself about 25 times before

anybody takes note what you're actually saying. we do need to send that message and are, in fact, sending people back. >> and under president obama, jeh johnson, thank you very much, and thank you to the executive director of catholic charities of the rio grande valley. sister norma pimmentell, congratulations on your award today and thank you for your enduring work. thank you. coming up, much of puerto rico is still without power this morning in the aftermath of hurricane fiona. the storm now intensifying as it heads towards bermuda leaving a trail of destruction across the caribbean. we'll have the latest on the recovery efforts. plus, we'll be joined by renowned humanitarian chef jose andre working to support hard-hit communities in puerto rico and the dominican republic. also ahead, a historic swing in the bronx last night. aaron judge hits number 60 tying

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record to the guy seated to my right, and that would be jonathan lemire who has this unremitting hatred of the new york yankees and everything about them. >> yes. that is correct. i understand, but i also appreciate baseball's history and know this is a big home run. remember, aaron judge with the big day yesterday now the american legal triple crown. batting average, home runs and rbis and yankees won on a walk-off fashion that -- >> yeah. giancarlo stanton. >> seeing it here. look at this. this ball hit very, very hard, but you can also see would not have gone out of any other park in the country. about 314 feet right there, yes. an important win for the yankees. also note, mike, defending champion atlanta braves going back to playoffs, clinching playoffs yesterday. still one game behind the mets national legal east. very fun. >> and from behind to win their game. pete larenzo.

>> and joe scarborough will enjoy. back to you. that concludes our sports report for today. >> worth it. a good one. up next, from hillary clinton in 2016 to stacey abrams two years later. our next guest is writing about the women who clawed back from defeat using the rule of law. and as we go to break, quickly approaching the second annual u.s. forbes "no your value" 50 over 50 list. the opportunity to interview some of the most notable women honored and recently actually on location preparing for an interview with a celebrity who's going to be on this year's list. stay tuned for that. my daughter, 24-year-old daughter carly came along to watch. waiting, she decided to turn the script on me and took my questions, my 50 over 50 questions and asked me about my career and life after 50. here's a quick preview.

>> and what would you say someone like myself who is younger and might not be where she wants to be quite yet careerwise? >> i'd say, relax. the thing that i didn't do was relax and enjoy the roll. like this moment right here between us is so special, and i -- openly admit i was so rushed. even when you guyed are really little i always felt i had to be somewhere. had to be somewhere else amend you get lost in that. the truth is, you have so much time. it's okay. you have way more time that you can even imagine. >> that was so fun. head over to knowyourvalue.com for the conversation os. and stay tuned in coming weeks a we reveal our "50 over 50" list. soon of after that, special luncheon nor honorees and of

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feel because i feel it, too. and so do tens of millions of americans who invested their hopes and dreams in this effort. this is painful. it will be for a long time. but i want you to remember this -- our campaign was never about one person or even one election. it was about the country we love and about building an america

that is hopeful, inclusive and big-hearted. and to all the women and especially the young women who put their faith in this campaign and in me, i want you to know that nothing has made me prouder than to be your champion. >> that was hillary clinton giving her 2016 concession speech after losing the presidency to donald trump. that election and the four years of the trump administration that followed were the catalyst of a new wave of women leaders in the country. dahlia lithwick profiles some of those women in her new book "lady justice." dahlia joins us now. i love this. it's always women who are like, you know what? forget it, i'll do it myself. in times of crisis and frustration for this country.

talk about why you decided to write this book and who you decided to write about. >> i think i wanted to write some kind of triumphant story about the trump era, it's to easy now because the era never seems to end, to say, it could have been much, much worse, and it wasn't much, much worse because a whole bunch of women -- there were men, too -- but a whole bunch of women turned on a dime, changed their lives and used the power of the law to ensure freedom, rights and dignity for women. so i both wanted to celebrate them because some of them worked in near obscurity but i wanted to use it as a blueprint going forward for how we can't give up on the law because the law is kind of the only thing we have left. >> also for women, it's so important to remind them, don't give up on your own voice. being a part of the process,

whether it be, you know, protesting on the streets and making sure your voice is heard in any way. you think about the pink hats after trump's win, the massive, massive gatherings across the country, which did translate -- the question was going to be would it translate into votes. >> that's right. i think one of the things i wanted to do with this book is open, as you say, with hillary clinton and crowding chanting at trump rallies "lock her up, lock her up." and the book closes with dobbs at the end of june where we're now seeing women quite literally in jail for fetal endangerment, for using drugs during pregnancy, women forced to carry to term when it may endanger their lives. so we've come to a point of time where "lock her up" isn't just about hillary clinton, it's about all women.

i think women understand that in maybe a way they didn't understand in 2016, this rule of law thing can both lift us up and make us free, it can also be weaponized against us. i think you're right. i think what we're seeing in kansas, in michigan, in alaska, what we're seeing in the special election in new york is a whole bunch of women saying, wait, no, i'll use my voice because the only power i have left is my voice. >> you talk about post-dobbs and how this inspired women to mobilize and abortion is going to be a huge issue in the midterms. how do you also inspire the same women knowing that we have a 6-3 supreme court for the foreseeable future that is going to be making decisions that are anthetical to women's issues? >> i say look at michigan, look at your state supreme court,

look at what your local ag can do and local elections will matter more now than ever before. in states where this is quite literally on the ballot, in michigan it's on the referendum, the time now is to bolster rights within your homestates and recognize the 6-3 super majority at the court is not a surprise. this has been an effort that has taken years to put into place and we have to focus on all the article 3 courts but certainly the supreme court and think about structural court reform. >> you focus on some trail blazing women who practice law for the greater good in your book. can you talk about the woman who headed the refugee rights program? it was a horrible moment where muslim americans were being barred from entering their country. >> i love the story. this is becca heller, she's i

think the youngest attorney i feature in the book. she's the one who literally doesn't refer to herself as attorney, she still thinks she's in law school when they kind of takes the helm of what i call the airport revolution, getting lawyers at every single airport on the day that the travel ban passes, she's the one who understands that these folks who have legitimate visas, they're entitled to be here, they got on planes, sold everything they had, and they came to the country believing they would be legitimately allowed in. suddenly with the stroke of the pen, the travel ban passes and they have nowhere to go and no attorneys. she helped mobilize this army of lawyers across the country who showed up at airports, they hold up signs, they say i will be your attorney. they file briefs. to me it's an amazing story not just of leadership, it was also a moment where lawyers across

the country -- we're the butt of a lot of jokes -- but tax attorneys and others say i'm here for them. it's an inflection point where we realize yet again the law is the thing that can hurt vulnerable or save them. i think becca was a visionary about that. >> the new book is titled "lady justice." dahlia lithwick, thank you very much. congratulations on the book. former chief of staff, adrian, thank you also for being on. coming up, we'll have karine jean-pierre. we have a lot to talk about. from vladimir putin's announce the overnight and the united states defending taiwan.

a federal judge in the special master case pushes back on declassification claims from the former president. we're back in one minute.

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hypersonic missile. what will you do to keep up with them militarily and can you vow to protect taiwan? >> yes and yes. >> are you saying that the united states would come to taiwan's defense -- >> yes, we have a commitment to do that. >> are you willing to get involved militarily to defend taiwan if it comes to that? >> yes. >> you are? >> that's a commitment we made. >> to be clear, sir, u.s. forces, u.s. men and women would defend taiwan in the event of a chinese invasion? >> yes. >> 3 of the 4 recent times president biden has said u.s. troops would defend taiwan in the event of an attack by china, but top members of his administration, including our next guest, white house press secretary, karine jean-pierre, insist there's no change in american policy. karine will join us in just a moment. welcome back to "morning joe." it's wednesday, september 21st. joe is off this morning.

willie is on his way back. joe has covid. it's pretty rough. i'm a little sick, but testing negative, i think. it's half a line. i'm alone in the studio. let's begin with russian president vladimir putin. his announcement of a partial mobilization of his country's military calling up reservists in an escalation of his war in ukraine after a number of battlefield setbacks. richard engel has the latest. >> reporter: backed in a corner, president vladimir putin put russia further on a war footing. i deem is necessary to support the proposal of the ministry of defense and the general command for partial mobilization in the russian federation, he said, that includes a call-up of reserves. with new american and european weapons and increased intelligence cooperation,

ukraine's military has liberated thousands of square miles have russia over the last two weeks. perhaps in response, four parts of ukraine that are partially or completely controlled by russian troops are now holding votes to become part of russia. the u.s. has called the vote a sham, but it could give russia a pretext to annex ukrainian territory and then threaten to defend it with nuclear weapons. putin already this morning threatening russia would use all the means at its disposal adding this is not a bluff. ukrainians are still exhuming mass graves. a civil defense worker says many of the bodies had their hands bound and showed signs of torture. maxim told us how he was tortured by russians with electric shocks. >> this was your cell?

>> yes. yes. >> reporter: maxim too me to the basement. he said he was seated and handcuffed and showed me a picture of the machine they used to give him electric shocks. >> what were they asking you? what did they want to know? they said you talk, you know what we want. tell us. maxim said he was rescued when ukrainian forces drove the russians out. >> as i said, in just a few moments, we'll be joined by karine jean-pierre to talk about this big escalation in the words and threats by vladimir putin that happened overnight. this happening in the hours before president biden's address before the u.n. general assembly. a lot to talk to her about as it pertains to ukraine and the world security. let's move on to the other top story of the morning. yesterday's first hearing before the special master for the case

of the documents seized by the fbi during the search of former president donald trump's florida home and club, judge raymond dearie pressed trump's attorneys to promptly provide more answers about whether the former president did or did not declassify documents marked top-secret found at mar-a-lago saying you can't have your cake and eat it. if they want to argue, the documents might not still be secret. trump's attorneys say answering that question now could put them at a disadvantage in the face of a possible future criminal prosecution. or a future legal fight on getting the seized documents returned to trump. trump claimed on social media that he personally declassified all the records that he had. but his lawyers have strangely yet to formally make that argument in any sworn court filings.

judge dearie didn't issue any rulings at the hearing but appeared skeptical about trump's contention that he declassified the more than 100 highly sensitive documents found at mar-a-lago, some marked top secret. while trump's filing said neither side showed the documents were classified, judge dearie said the documents are because they bear classification markings right on them. he said as far as i'm concerned that's the end of it. unless trump's team has some evidence to the contrary. trump's lawyers suggested dearie's push to get details on claims about declassification was going beyond judge aileen cannon's order. but judge dearie disagreed saying i'm taken aback by your comment that i'm going beyond what judge cannon instructed me to do. i think i'm doing what i was told to do. joining us now, journalist and

washington correspondent for the "new york times," charlie savage. it appears this special masters request that was requested, it appears to be possibly backfiring. >> it certainly does not look like judge dearie will be looking for ways to go out of his way to find methods of helping them where things are ambiguous. you're right, not only did they agree to judge dearie, they suggested him. he's a serious judge. he's been on the court since the reagan administration. he's been on the fisa court, and his appointment was greeted by a range of people all the way across the spectrum as this is a serious person, this is not someone who was appointed ten minutes ago by trump himself.

this skepticism that he expressed yesterday to provide a sworn affidavit or declaration from trump or on his behalf that he did declassify them is certainly not a position they wanted to be in. that said, i will say that i don't think that they're entirely wrong that at this stage, it's not quite clear to me why he needs that information. judge cannon, the trump-appointed judge who put him in place in the first place, wants him to go through and oversee a process of vetting these documents and racking them into government versus personal, potentially privileged versus potentially not potentially privileged. she wants him to start with the documents marked classified, but nowhere in that order do i see her saying tell me whether you think they're actually

classified. so the trump legal team may be able to wiggle out of having to put up or shut up just yet. >> what if they don't answer the questions that judge dearie is asking? what happens then? it appears they definitely don't want to. >> he has not formally requested they answer that question yet. he is considering it. he said what if we do it this way, that's what they were pushing back against. i think if he directed them to do something that they did not want to do, they'll go back to judge cannon, the trump-appointed judge who is half his age and has been on the bench since november of 2020 and say the special master is going beyond your directions here. we don't think there's a legal basis for this. that would give her an opportunity to intervene, direct him to back off or go forward or even to remove him because she reserved herself the right to remove him for any reason. so if he gets too far into their

cross-hairs, we'll see how far judge cannon is willing to go. >> interesting. just what's the timeline for this to play out? it seemed judge dearie wanted this to move along. >> that's right. so judge cannon has said she wants his work to be done by november 30th, which would include racking and stacking these 11,000 plus documents, and then producing a report to her about any disagreements between the trump team or the justice department, how does he think she should rule? she would at that point in december start the process of thinking about those disagreements. we could see how that could stretch out for a long time. judge dearie seems to have in mind a much quicker schedule. he would have both sides having wracked and stacked what they think each of the documents should be done by october 7th and the justice department was

saying a week more than that would be necessary to get through this volume of documents. so the trump legal team is trying to slow him down and he doesn't seem hugely interested in dragging the process out in a way that may correspond to trump's legal delay style. >> thank you very much. jonathan lemire, we have news of a press conference called by the new york state's attorney general. we don't know what it's about. >> letitia james' office last night put out an advisement to the media that they would have a major announcement this morning at 10:30. no topic given. that led to a lot of speculation as to what it could be about. the new york attorney general has been investigating the trump organization. the only information we have gotten is they pushed it back to

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welcome back to "morning joe." 25 past the hour. we're joined now by white house press secretary karine jean-pierre. good to have you on with us this morning and a really important morning to do so. given the announcement by vladimir putin, the escalation, the threats, even threats of going nuclear, saying this is not a bluff, does that change at all president biden's address to the u.n. general assembly that's just hours from now? >> thank you very much for having me. i don't want to get ahead of what the president will say later this morning around the

10:00 hour at the united general -- at the assembly in just a few hours, but i'll say this. russia talks about being threatened. and the only country that's being threatened is ukraine. the only country that has been invaded is ukraine. and what we're seeing now is what russia is trying to do is they're trying to annex, take territory away from ukraine by using these sham referendums that we've been warning about. to your point, they're doing this just ahead of how -- of leaders coming together for unga. it is against -- it is an affront to the u.n. charters. it is an affront to the u.n. principles. if you think about what they're trying to do, it's illegitimate as well. it's all because russia is losing ground on the battlefield. but what we're going to continue

to do, and you will hear this from the president, he's been consistent on this, we're going to continue to bring the country together with his leadership and continue to support ukraine as they are fighting for their freedom, and we've seen their bravery over the last six months. we'll make sure they have everything they need to strengthen their hand on the battlefield as they move forward. >> the overnight message from vladimir putin had a number of parts to it. you mentioned the referendums there for the territorial expansion, the mobilization of 300,000 reservists, and his first threat in a while about nuclear weapons. there's a fear that if that territory does become "part of russia do to the sham referendum" any attack there could be a pretense to use nuclear weapons. what is the united states' message on just that, to vladimir putin about using those weapons of mass destruction? >> the president has been clear, he spoke to this on 60 minutes a

couple days ago. he was asked this very question. he had said it would be -- the consequences would be dangerous. but, you know, we're not going to get into -- i'm not going to indulge russia in the sabre rattling. the president has been very clear about this. again, like the president said, it would be very dangerous. >> staying overseas, the president talked about the united states policy towards taiwan. can you clear up from us -- we heard different statements from him versus others in the administration, has the u.s. policy on taiwan changed? >> so, the president was very clear even in that interview. he said that that has not changed. the one-china policy has not changed as it's guided by the taiwan relations act. it stays the same. he was clear when he was asked about this in tokyo. we have the national security advisory in the briefing room

yesterday, jake sullivan, he iterated the same. >> the president also in the 60 minutes interview said the pandemic is over. there's been some pushback to the president on that statement. where is he today on that? >> just to step back for a second, when he made those comments, he was walking through the detroit car show, the halls of the detroit car show, he was looking around. we have to remember the last time they held that event was three years ago. even as we're talking about unga, the president is going to speak shortly, as i mentioned, that has not been held in person for about three years as well. so, we are in a different time. he's been very consistent about that. the reason why is because we're now prepared. we're ready. we know how to deal with this pandemic. it's now more manageable. it's not as disruptive as it's been in the prior years. it's because of what this

president has done on day one. if you think about where we were when he walked in, 3,000 people were dying a day. that's come down 90%. you think about schools were closed. now schools are open. businesses were closed, now businesses are open. it's because of the work that this administration has done. now, what he has been very consistent about is that we have to continue to have a front foot on this so we have the funding, so that we are ahead of this, of any other -- as we look at future vaccines and future treatments, we need to make sure we're ready for that as we're also leading, as we're talking in the backdrop of unga. >> he was asked about inflation. he downplayed the change, the 8.3, he suggested that too much was being made of that. mcconnell responded in kind the next day saying the president

might want to talk to americans who are trying to survive under his policies before he sits down for his next tv interview, suggesting that the president is out of touch downplaying that number. does the president understand how hard inflation is for so many americans? >> any time the president talks about the economy, he mentions he understands how hard it is for american people who are sitting around -- american families sitting around their kitchen table and trying to figure out how they'll pay their bills every month. that's why we have done the work that we have on gas prices. every day this summer gas prices have gone down because of the historic actions that this president took. it's gone down by more than $1.30 a gallon. again, we understand how people are feeling. if you think about the inflation reduction act, which, by the way, no republican voted for, only democrats voted for it, which is part of the president's economic plan, that's going to

lower costs on health care, that's going to lower costs on prescription drugs for our seniors who are paying thousands of dollars a month. now it's going to be capped at 2,000. that's going to lower costs on energy. if you think about what people are paying on energy. as you know, jonathan, because you follow the white house closely, it's a historic amount that's going to truly fight climate change. as the president is about to speak to the assembly, we're leading as a country on the climate crisis, on the work that we have done because of the historic investments that we have made in this country. part of the president's economic plan, you think about the bipartisan structure legislation, you think about the american rescue plan, which has gotten us back where our economy is stronger than it's been in modern times, yes, there's still a lot of work to do. but the president has always been very clear, we are never going to leave anybody behind. his economic plan is about lifting it from the bottom up, the middle out, and it has equity at the center.

so that we give people a little bit more of breathing room. >> i want to ask you about this political stunt by the republican governor shipping the migrants to places like martha's vineyard and other places around the country so that they miss their asylum hearings and other things. and also tricking localities into thinking migrants like these were coming their way, like joe biden's homestate of delaware or new jersey in preparation for the president's speech and then finding out they're not coming. this seems like something the president would take offense to given his empathy to human beings. does the president plan to say more about this, more pointedly? does it include validation that there is, indeed, a crisis at the border at the same time? >> mika, i'll say this. the president talks about how it's important to treat people with dignity and what you're seeing from governor desantis is

inhumane. it is not solving a problem. it's not a solution. it's causing chaos and confusion. and these are people who are fleeing communism. you think about venezuela, you think about nicaragua, you think about cuba, that's what they're fleeing. they're being used a as political pawn. that's not a solution. now, if i were governor desantis, i would ask his senate colleagues why have not -- why have they not helped in solving this? they voted against historic funding for department of homeland security, they have not been on board with what the president did on day one, which is put forth a comprehensive immigration reform so that we can actually deal with this issue. it's a systemic problem. we have had a broken system for many, many years. for decades. what the last administration did before us, they decimated the immigration system. so what we're trying to do is,

again, make sure that there is a humane process, and trying to fix what has been broken. but there is solutions on the table. now, if republicans would just do that and work with us on the solutions instead of doing these political ploys and using human beings as a political -- as part of a political scam, that would be the way to go. >> there's an op-ed today in the "wall street journal" supporting increasing work visas. does the biden administration have a plan to ease the process so that more foreigners can come here and work legally especially in this time where there's a need for more workers in america? >> that is something that the president has talked about and understands that there is need for more workers in america. i don't have anything to share at this time. look, again, we put torte a comprehensive immigration reform. the work that we've done the past 19 months is to make sure that we have judges, more judges actually pushing through and

trying to figure out the asylum seekers. we have 2300 officers on the border to deal with folks coming in. so, we have taken steps to make sure that we're dealing with what we're seeing at the border. again, it is not through political trick. it's not through political scam. it's actually trying to figure out what will work and what the solutions are. >> obviously we know the midterms approaching, the defining issue is immigration, inflation and abortion rights in the wake of the supreme court decision. the white house strongly condemned michigan attorney general nominee matt diperno who likened plan b to the drug fentanyl, suggesting that contraception might be banned next. what more can the white house do right now to try to protect an offer reproductive services for women across the country in light of what we are seeing some

states really tighten access? >> so the day that that decision came down on june 24th from the supreme court on roe, the dobbs decision, the president took some bold steps on that day, making sure that the department of justice and human health services were able to take steps, making sure they were protecting women who were crossing state lines, making sure that women had safe drugs to deal with making their own decisions for their health care. but the president was also very clear that the way that we answer this, the way that we actually codify row is for congress to act. so, he's going to continue to call on that. but i also want to call out, you just mentioned this elected official, this republican elected official in michigan, this is the extremism we're seeing from republicans. it is taking us backwards. it's not taking us forward when you're talking about national

ban. we heard from senator graham just last week who, by the way, in august -- early august had said when it came to marriage, when it came to abortion, it should be a state decision. and now he is saying we should have a national ban. it is an extreme place where these leaders in the republican party are. they're taking us backwards. they're taking away the rights that women should have. it's not going to stop there. the president was clear. it will go to marriage, it will go to contraception, privacy. so this is something that we as americans should understand, we should make sure our voices are being heard loud and clear. and the president will continue to call that out. white house press secretary, karine jean-pierre, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. good to see you. coming up from the front lines of ukraine to the storm-ravaged caribbean, our next guest travels to hard-hit

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sheriffs in texas. sometimes you see someone who wants to make a newspaper headline, but let's be clear. there's nothing -- >> a common talking point seems to be emerging from top republicans. meanwhile, the migrants who were flown from texas to martha's vineyard file add class action lawsuit against florida governor ron desantis, alleging they were victims of fraud. a chicago-based migrant organization and three of the people who landed on the massachusetts' island accused desantis and his co-defendants of a "premeditated, fraudulent and illegal scheme for the sole purpose of advancing their own financial, political interests." they are seeking damages and asked the court to block the governor from encouraging immigrants to cross across state lines by fraud and misinformation. that comes as florida governor ron desantis deliberately sowed

confusion across three states yesterday about a migrant flight, keeping delaware officials guessing the entire day. the chaos started after reports emerged a plane carrying migrants was headed to delaware. president biden's home state. the governor gathered resources and community groups to greet the flight. instead it landed just outside new york city where biden was visiting for the ongoing general assembly but with no migrants on board. a source close to desantis told nbc news it was an intentional move by the governor to keep the migrants issue alive adding, he didn't tell anyone and purposefully left people in the dark. so technically the media, democrats, everyone got punked. he's pretty funny, isn't he? joining us, mara gay.

you know, it's very hard to not become incensed about this, but, again, that's another thing that ron desantis wants. at the same time, it is true there is a crisis at the border. it is true both parties could do more. it is true much more can be done and should be done with the very realistic crisis at the border, but this, of course, is taking human lives, a group of human lives, people, human beings, and making them feel agony, fear, terror, and misguiding them, and transporting them. i don't -- it's hard to have a conversation with someone who thinks that's funny, or that's okay. so how to have a conversation about this? will this work for these republican governors who think, wow. this is a great way to get headlines and own the libs? >> well, you said it, mika. that's what this is about. it's about owning the libs.

i mean, there's two separate issues, as you pointed out. there is a border crisis. it's real. actually the best response for the adults in the room is to kind of walk and chew gum at the same time, which is to say, address that crisis. both on a humanitarian level and just from perspective of this is a nation of laws. we do have a border. it's important to enforce that. it's important to understand the communities living on that border and what they're dealing with. that's all fine. there should be a process. a process with which the country account move forward. it's politically fraught, i understand that, but it's something that democrats and republicans should be working on together, and at least democrats can come up with a plan of their own. it's been some time since we've seen that. then separately, i mean, this is all a stunt. we know this is a stunt. it's crucial, it's unusual, and it really has become symbolic of the larger just meanness within the republican party. it's just extraordinary, but, of course, it's backfired in the sense, of course, we've seen americans in places where

migrants have been shipped to who have rallied to support these individuals who have overcome great odds to come here. and, by the way, are here legally. the problem is we have these echo chambers, so it's not clear that desantis is going to care about what's actually happening on the ground because his hard-core supporters are watching fox news. they're not really looking at how people are responding with kindness, with compassion, and charitably. this is really just a political stunt, and it's crucial and unusual. coming up, the federal reserve eyes another historic rate hike. we'll go to andrew ross sorkin with how the markets are responding, what it means for inflation, retirement funds and so much more. that's straight ahead on "morning joe."

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so, i read a lot, you know, in the morning, i'll skim through two or three different papers. during my days, i'm meeting with a lot of smart investors and smart people running companies. you learn a lot from there. i talk to peers. but i think part of the trick of this big business is being able to really aggregate and assimilate information. and one of the other tricks of this industry is trying to find sources of information that are different than the other people in the business, because you don't want to get crowded, and i think that happens in this business. everyone's talking to the same people. and if the view becomes consensus, that might not be really grounded as well as it should be in facts. >> that was don fitzpatrick, the ceo and chief investment officer of soros fund management. speaking with the co-founder and co-chairman of the carlyle

group, david rubenstein, on how crowd think impacts the investing world. fitzpatrick is just one of the industry titans rubenstein interviews for his new book entitled, how to invest. masters on the craft. and david joins us now. it's a really great book on leadership as a whole, but if you can, give us sort of the background on the book. who are these masters of the craft and what do they have in common? >> thank you for inviting me. these are people who are our best investors in our country. these are the people who allocate capital. and allocating capital is very important. and people that allocated capital to moderna did a great service to our country. so people who need how to allocate capital to good companies makes companies grow and prosper. these are people who have made great fortunes for their investors in most case. people like stan and michael morris at sequoia. people like don fitzpatrick, who

now works for soros. these are people who have mastered the craft an how to allocate capital and done it quite a while well over many, many years. >> so, these leaders don't follow conventional wisdom. among the other things that are ultimately important, tips to investing well, and effectively, don't risk more than you can truly afford to lose. don't put all your eggs in one basket. read everything readily available about the investment being made. and also, there's a sense of ultimate responsibility. can you explain that? >> yes, what you were just reading are some of the ideas that i have about what the average investor should do. these are the greatest investors in a country. and to be realistic about it, the person who reads this book is not going to become one of the greatest investors in the world, just like if i read a book by tiger woods, i'm not going to become a great golfer. but it's designed to get people who are students or prospective investors or average people that

might have some capital to allocate to read about what the best people have done and try to modestly follow it. and what people should do is, you know, follow some of the traits that i saw some of the great investors you have. you have listed here some of the great traits. most of these great investors have one thing in common, all of these things in common, but really don't follow conventional wisdom. if you follow conventional wisdom, you'll do what everybody else does and won't really be great. all of them have failures, all of them are really smart, they get over their mistakes pretty readily. and they actually should be considered by some people as role models, because these are people that really do great things for our country in the sense that they allocate capital in a way that creates great companies and that's ultimately one of the things that our economy is back. >> so for all of those traits we just listed, what you would you be doing as an investor right now thinking about the immediate

future and jay powell and the fed and what might happen this week and will he follow the paul volcker trail? >> well, the average investor probably should not go in and out of the markets and follow the news headlines. one of the great tips that some investors follow is to basically hold on to things for quite some time. warren buffett hardly sells things. when you sell things, you might pay capital gains taxes and you have transaction cost. and the biggest mistake that the average investor makes is when the market goes up, they try to get into the market. when the market goes down, they try to sell. you should probably do the opposite. when the markets are choppy and depressed as they are now, it's probably a better time to get into the market. you might not get to the absolute bottom of the market, but you'll probably be near the bottom. we don't know exactly what the fed is going to do, but most likely it's going to increase by 75 basis points. the market has assumed that already. so i don't think the market will be dramatically different tomorrow than today, if the fed does what we expect. >> so, david, let's piggyback just off of that. there's a lot of fears of recession, perhaps, around the

corner. how would you, with that potentially looming, the r-word, how would that impact how you approach the market? >> well, on recessions, we have recessions on average every seven years, so it shouldn't be seen as a calamity. the great recession was a calamity. recessions on average last for one or two quarters. they're not things that you should dramatically change your investment profile on. what you should do is find good people to manage your money. the average person should probably give other people the responsibility for managing their money. make sure you know what they're doing, the fees they're charging, and stick with them through thick and thin. you can't time the markets as well as an average an investor. that's a fool's errand. you can't watch the headlines every day, as an average investor, and figure you're going to be better than warren buffet. that's not realistic. >> the new book is entitled "how to invest: masters on the craft." david rubenstein, thank you very much for sharing the book with us. we appreciate it. it is just a minute and a half before the fourth hour of

"morning joe," 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. on the east coast and we have a lot to get to this hour, including vladimir putin announcing the partial mobilization of russia's military, a significant escalation in the war in ukraine after the kremlin's forces faced a series of setbacks on the battlefield. we're going to get the very latest from nbc's richard engel live from kharkiv in just a moment. plus, the latest in the trump documents case, as it goes before the special master, the former president's attorneys refuse to back up their claim that trump declassified the documents before taking them to mar-a-lago. also ahead, the latest on recovery efforts in the aftermath of hurricane fiona. we'll speak with humanitarian jose andres about his efforts to support hard-hit communities in puerto rico and the dominican republic. but we'll start overseas right now, where overnight an extreme escalation from russian president vladimir putin.

russia now call up 300,000 reserve troops to fight in its invasion of ukraine and threatening the use of nuclear weapons. this as russia plans sham referendums in the occupied parts of ukraine in an attempt to annex large swaths of the country. joining us live from kharkiv, ukraine, nbc news chief foreign correspondent, richard engel. richard, what is the reaction on the ground there? >> reporter: so ukrainian officials are dismissing this. they say that the fact that vladimir putin has to call up so many reservists is a sign of weakness. that his so-called special military operation, which was supposed to only last a few days, three days by ukrainian estimates, has now gone on for seven months. they say it is an indication that russia took on more than it could chew, that russia wasn't anticipating ukraine to rally, wasn't anticipating the