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america on amazon, you can still order it now at melberbook.com or any independent bookseller. you can search melber january 6th, you'll get the report when it comes out, and my new original piece on the coup conspiracy. if you already did it from last night, we noticed, and thank you. that does it for me. reidout with reid joy reid starts now. on the on "the reidout" -- >> claiming money that you do not have does not amount to the art of the deal. it's the art of the steal. >> new york attorney general letitia james lays out a massive fraud case against trump and three of his adult children, accusing them of years of tax cheating and fraud. the lawsuit makes clear that the family's claim of tremendous wealth was always a myth, but trump himself busted by entering
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the world's biggest fish bowl by becoming president of the united states. and that is where we begin tonight with the blockbuster announcement from attorney general letitia james who is throwing the book at donald trump, his three oldest children, as well as their company, suing them all for years and years of vast financial fraud. >> the pattern of fraud and deception was that used by trump and the trump organization for their own financial benefit is astounding, inflating the values of assets by whatever means necessary to increase mr. trump's purported net worth. >> the 220-page civil lawsuit alleges that the trumps and the trump organization produced more than 200 instances of false and misleading valuations in 2011
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through 2021. the suit accuses the former president of bank and insurance fraud and seeks to recover more than $250 million for the state of new york. ag james' lawsuit seeks to effectively run them out of town as far as business is concerned, permanently barring them from serving as an executive in any company licensed in the state of new york. it caps off a three-year investigation sparked as she noted today by congressional testimony from trump's former personal attorney, michael cohen. >> to your knowledge, did the president or his company ever inflate assets or revenues? >> yes. >> to your knowledge, did the president ever provided inflated assets to an insurance company? >> yes. >> was that done with the president's knowledge or direction? >> everything was done with the knowledge and at the direction of mr. trump.
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>> do you think we need to review his financial statements and his tax returns in order to compare them? >> yes. >> but critically, this is a civil lawsuit, meaning there is no potential for jail time here. although in her highly anticipated news conference today, james announced that her office is also referring her findings to federal prosecutors in manhattan and to the irs. there was another wrinkle today that might get the trumps scrolling through their little phones looking for whatever lawyers are left over, the ones who will still return their calls or aren't themselves seeking representation. after months of silence and seemingly backing away from the case, manhattan district attorney alvin bragg issued a statement following tish james' conference saying the criminal investigation in his office is active and ongoing. former trump organization chief financial officer allen weissleberg also named in today's suit has already pleaded guilty to tax fraud charges in that case.
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for her part, attorney general james stressed that no one is above the law. >> white-collar financial crime is not a victimless crime. everyday people cannot lie to a bank about how much money they have in order to get a favorable loan to buy a home or to send their kid to college. and if they did, the government would throw the book at them. why should this be any different? >> joining me now is justin snell, former assistant attorney general for the state of new york, also a former state and federal prosecutor and msnbc analyst, charles coleman jr., civil rights attorney, former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, and david wenhold from "the new york times." i want to put on the screen what the civil suit against donald trump entails what they want,
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that's repaying $250 million in illegally obtained money barring the family from serving on corporate leadership in new york, banning the family from doing business in new york, banning the family from buying real estate in new york for five years, banning the family and the business from applying for loans for five years and appointing an independent financial monitor. i'll let you talk. how significant is this and does trump have any defense here? because this seems like he was doing this in the open for a really long time. >> it really looks like the trump family was running a fraud business with a sideline in real estate as opposed to the other way around. like, it actually might have been, like, disparities in the valuations of their properties may have been their biggest source of paper, revenue, or assets. like, this is insane.
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the disparities that we're talking about here are not just 10%. it's not rounding up. it's not saying, oh, you know, this is worth $147 million, we're going to say it's worth $150 million. no, no, no, no. this was 1000% bigger. 3,300% bigger. if any of us did this, we wouldn't just be liable for fraud, we'd be headed to jail. this would be the equivalent of an american saying that the appraisal says your house is worth $300,000, and then you turn around and say, oh, it's actually worth $30 million. it's actually worth $100 million. and thinking you're going to get away with that. yeah, i could go on for quite a long time about this, but the question that you had about, like, you know, exactly what defense does he have here, the problem is that escape hatch is really gone because he had to plead the fifth. the fact that he pled the fifth to 440 different questions means that he doesn't really have any legs to stand on here because anything that he might say in defense, the ag's office is
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going to be able to say, well, you already basically admitted to it because every time he said i plead the fifth, substitute the words i did it, it was me, i confess. and then that's how you -- yeah. >> go on, finish your thought. >> no, that was it. it really cuts off the escape hatch there. there really isn't a lot of room for him to wiggle his way out of this. that's why he tried to settle it. he tried to settle this matter. >> that is another little nugget that came out today that i thought was very interesting that there was a settlement offer put on the table by the trump side, which the attorney general said, no, we rejected that. the door is always open. we were trying to settle. this is the -- it's long, 200 some odd pages. but i want to go to this nugget here that's inside of this filing. donald trump lives -- one of the
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places he lives, charles, is in trump tower, the one that everybody knows, the one on fifth avenue. this thing was built in the '80s, like 1987. this is an old building, 30 plus years old. he claimed his apartment in trump tower, which is old, which is 10,996 square feet, that's what we know, and he claimed that the apartment was 30,000 square feet and worth $327 million, and that would be $29,738 per square foot. she says this. this filing says that price was absurd. given the fact that at that point only one apartment in new york city, one, had ever sold for even $100 million at 10,000 a square foot. to make it worse, there's a building on 57th street, that super tall building, one of the most expensive apartments. that building my incredible hairdresser pointed out to me, that's priced at $250 million now. how could he have possibly gone to any institution, financial
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institution, and said, no, no, no, my old apartment is worth $327 million, charles? how could he defend himself possibly? >> he doesn't have very strong avenues for a defense here. there's creative imagination and then there's criminal belief. i want to point out that it was me on this program before when we had another conversation where i said it may not necessarily be the violent acts or the insurrection or the voter tampering that gets donald trump. it may very well be a la al capone, something along the lines of wire fraud, tax evasion. it is very solid, and i think what we're seeing is tish james doing what interest rates do. she noted that this investigation was over the course of three years. she talked to over 60 different witnesses. this is fraud that's alleged to have occurred over the course -- this complaint of ten years,
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we're talking about an entire decade of misleading federal and state entities around the valuation of his properties and personal finances. when you talk about a legal defense, trust and believe that there is nothing in this complaint which has not been thoroughly checked and investigated, and that's why she can stand up and make the proclamation that she did today in announcing this complaint. and so there is not much that he has to do in terms of wiggle room further supported by the fact he tried to settle because he understands despite the myriad of criminal investigations he's facing, this is a serious issue that he does not have the fire power to continue. >> tally, what was also intriguing today was the referrals. you do have this now referral, not just to the irs, but to the if he does. that's interesting. but what i also found interesting was the response from the manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg, who we will all recall -- we did this story on the show -- a couple of
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his prosecutors quit because he indeed backing away from essentially the same case. to the point that's been made by both of your fellow guests here, this is known behavior. donald trump has been getting away with this for a decade at least. no one's ever done anything about it. the person who logically think would have done it is the current and previous manhattan district attorney who never did anything about it for all those years. what kind of pressure is now on bragg's office? he did put out a statement saying, no, our investigation is still ongoing. >> well, indeed, joy, this is awkward because it says pretty much on the first page of this complaint that trump and his associates and his family committed a host of crimes under state law. and then it drops a footnote and says the federal prosecutors who have jurisdiction here too might want to look into it. i read that as ag james saying she does not expect the
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manhattan district attorney's office to be looking into it. you know, i think it's important to say that the order of things usually is that you bring the criminal case first and then the civil case is either a chaser or a parallel proceeding because the kind of accountability that you get in a criminal prosecution is much more important, severe, resonate with what has happened than civil accountability. she reaches that conclusion and as you reported, we have known that pretty much the same facts were presented to the manhattan district attorney. those prosecutors who left him on a silver particularity, and here it is again on a golden platter, and the question is he going to do anything about it. it is true that the trump organization is about to go on trial, but that's not for this set of facts. that's a prosecution that is redundant with what allen weissleberg already pled guilty
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to, the fringe benefits case that is contained, different, and limited, and doesn't really contribute to the answer that you are looking for, which is what's going to happen here. is he going to start a new grand jury which is a complicated thing to do and re-do everything that he had already put aside and reject it. >> i know michael cohen has been jumping up and down screaming there should be a prosecution here. i didn't understand how there wasn't. you've done a lot of the really fantastic reporting that's brought out a lot of just the fundamental fraud of donald trump's whole origin story, that he is the self-made man that took a mere $1 million loan from his father and built it into $1 billion. not true, not true, not true. in your reporting, are any of these properties, trump tower, 40 wall street, mar-a-lago, doral, all of the but under the circumstances et cetera, is any of it profitable?
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>> well, it's a good question. the trump organization is private, so we haven't had a good look at its financials. i believe mar-a-lago is profitable. its revenue has gone up as more and more people who want to be closer to the president have flocked there. the trump hotel, there were a number of properties that were not profitable. if i had to look at those things and say what was profitable, probably las vegas, doral, and mar-a-lago certainly are. now, what does that add up to? is it all profitable if you add the losses and gains, i didn't know that. i wish i did, but i don't. >> in terms of the valuations, though, because what he's doing is he's -- i'll come back to you on the other side of the break. up next, much more on tonight's breaking news. trump, don jr., ivanka, eric, all accused of massive fraud by the attorney general of new york. i'm going right to david after this.
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what ultimately persuades me that this is a political hit job is she grossly overreaches when she drags the children. they had roles in the business, but this was his personal financial statement. the children aren't going to know the details of that, nor are they expected in the real world to do their own due diligence. >> they're not 12.
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tish james laid out her civil suit as executive vice president, these, quote, unquote, children who are adults in their 40s were intimately involved in the business. they were aware of the true financial performance of the country, indeed, the trump organization took extensive steps to keep them up to date on the company's operations. tristan snell, charles coleman. david, from your reporting and understanding of how this organization worked, barr is trying to claim that the poor children, how would they know what was going on? weren't they not only vice presidents but involved in every single part of the operation of these properties? >> they were. they were really important parts of the trump organization, at least in the last ten years. don junior focused on commercial leasing. ivanka developed hotels like the ones in doral and d.c., and eric focused on golf courses. so all of them are important here not only because they played a role in the business, but for another reason.
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they were often the ones connect with the outside world with the appraisers, the lawyers, people who were telling them what a sort of more realistic appraisal of their properties might be. if they were getting input from neutral observers that their properties were valued at x, that takes away a defense they might use. we had a very sky-high valuation, but that's because we love it and we believe in this property, we didn't know any better. it was just a sort of salesmanship. but if you got an objective appraisal and you're choosing to ignore it and go three, four, ten times higher, that's really important. another thing about the kids is they use email and they produce a paper trail. >> it's also a small organization. it's not as if the trump organization is a huge firm. it's a marketing firm, basically. >> it's tiny, yes.
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it's an extremely small number of people who have any power. basically trump, weisselberg, jeff mcconney, and trump's three children, all the decision-making went through that group and really came from trump down to that other level and then out to the world. a very small company at the very top. >> you know, bill barr is going to bill barr. let me go back to you, tristan. people need to understand that this is not -- explain, because you did work in this office, not contemporaneously with tish james, but you worked there. why is this civil? and does this office have the capability of handling a criminal case of this nature? why is it cordoned off as civil? >> the statute they brought it under is a stature civil fraud statute. generally speaking the ag's office, most of their prosecutions are civil. generally speaking, most criminal matters are brought at the county d.a. level, and this is true not just in new york,
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but pretty much every state i know of. the ag's office does have a criminal unit. they do do white-collar crime and public corruption cases. they are, i think, you know, in a vacuum they are able to bring these criminal cases. i think that there had been the understanding that cy vance was in on this with tish james and they were going to be bringing the prosecution. one was going to bring a civil case and the other a criminal case, and all of a sudden the manhattan d.a.'s office was no longer involved. so could this still change? could we see james' office get in there? i mean, we'll see. we'll see what happens. clearly referring it to the if he does -- to the feds was a passing of the baton to some degree and there's enough federal crimes there for them to start going after some stuff. it's going to be interesting to see what happens there. >> very interesting. charles, i'll ask you that question. it does feel like a message to
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go around. cy vance was in office for a long time. what's left for the manhattan d.a. today since he didn't seem to do anything before? >> joy, that's an interesting question on a number of levels, not just for alvin bragg and the manhattan d.a.'s office, but also for federal prosecutors as well as the irs because what tish james has done in this complaint has basically said, listen, this was going on for a decade and none of you all did anything about it, and you had it happening under your noses. so what they can do and what they should do and what i suspect will likely happen is they're going to go back and review the additional information. it could very well be that there are witnesses that letitia james was able to cultivate in the course of her investigation that provided information that was not previously available, and now that it is, they may seek to move forward with the prosecution. but they do have to at least make the effort of going back and looking at whatever
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information they did know, whatever they have seen before, and trying to see what can we make out of this that perhaps was not there before. >> tally, that brings us to the shop you worked at. you clerked for merrick garland. what might he do? there's a lot now on his plate vis-a-vis trump. everything from stealing documents and keeping them in his bedroom that were national security related, to potentially trying to overthrow the election. and now there's this that could then also wind up in the justice department's purview. what are you anticipating happening there? is this one of those situations where they let it play out and maybe take action? what do you think? >> well, he is really busy, but the southern district of new york, which ag james makes the referral to, of course, work for attorney general garland. he supervises and controls all federal prosecutors.
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you know, i think everyone is kind of catching up here because there was understanding, public and private, for a long time that the manhattan d.a. was going to take care of this one, and that the crimes described here are both federal crimes and state crimes, and that that investigation was so far along, they had gone to the supreme court and gotten trump's tax returns, which was an important piece of evidence in putting together a criminal case, that others were just not going to do it. i do think it's important as we think about the scope of things front of the attorney general to say that this is really different from the other crimes that you've described because these crimes occurred before donald trump became president. some of them continued after he became president, but this was his way of conducting himself even before. if the principle that all of us are equal under the law means anything, it has to mean that becoming president doesn't
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create a force field around you so that everything you did before that was so blatantly criminal, cheating and stealing from the irs, from banks, from the people of new york, has to have accountability. and i think that as they're weighing prosecutions that may have more prosecutions, that's something to think about. >> if fairness is a thing that's real. couldn't have had a better panel to start us off. thank you very much. still ahead, who would have thought that repeatedly lying to the irs would land you in hot water with the authorities? that's right, everybody, apparently except for this guy. we'll be right back. “walking ”" cover by ruelle ♪♪ ♪♪
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i built up one of the greatest companies and i'm proud of it and there's probably nothing like it. >> everything i touched turned to gold. >> i built an unbelievable business a great, great business, some of the greatest assets in the world. >> i built a company that's worth more than $10 billion, okay? >> that is true. donald trump just loves to talk about how rich and successful he is. the myth is what inspired his reality show, the "apprentice." and he rode those lies all the way to the white house and into becoming an actual cult leader. but the reality about the former president is, as the new york
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ag laid out today, that he's nothing but at a grifter. in the '90s, trump helped his parents dodge taxes and increase his own wealth when according to the "times," he and his sickles disguised gifts from their parents and formulated a strategy to undervalue his parents real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. there are also hundreds of accusations that donald trump refused to pay contractors and workers dating back to the 1980s. then you have trump's charity foundation. according to "the washington post," trump spent more than a quarter million dollars from that charity to settle lawsuits involving his own for-profit businesses. and of course, who could forget about trump university, which, spoiler alert, was not a real
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university at all. the week-long school turned out just to be a massive scam. even a former employee called it a fraudulent scheme, which seems to be the general theme of donald trump's entire career. and the real kicker is he probably would have gotten away with most of it if had had never become president of the united states. this is the author of "the big cheat: how donald trump fleeced america." what a perfect title, david. you and i have talk about this for years. when i was running, i remember you being on my weekend show and we talked about how donald trump snookered the whole country, including, let's be honest, the media. he used to be on larry king talking about his billions. he got himself an "apprentice" show. this whole conceit that he was a self-made billionaire, never was true, was always a lie. how did he run this game financially against the state of
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new york for so long? >> well, in this case we're dealing with his bank loans, the insurance companies and tax people. donald took advantage of the fact that we are not serious in this country about enforcing white-collar crimes. >> yeah. >> you rob a bodega with a water pistol, we'll see to it that you go to prison. but you steal the way donald and his family do, and they are a white-collar crime family, then you get away with it because there's no effort, no serious effort to say to the bankers, are you really complying with the rules, to the insurance companies, how well are you managing the assets that you hold in trust, in effect, for the people pay premiums to you. in the case of the property taxes, we've made the system overly complicated and we don't provide money for governments to address when someone like donald trump values something for lending purposes at one price and then pennies on the dollar when he appears for a property tax appeal.
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>> i mean, this is a family tradition. i mean, his father was a tax cheat. he was a tax cheat, inherited this money, trades the value of the properties so they can inherit the money without property taxes. since the older ones, tiffany and baron apparently are the lucky and smart ones because they got nothing to do with nothing. since the three joined the business shortly after graduating from college, lines have a way of blurring. in donald trump jr.'s business in south carolina fatalityered in recent years, leaving him personally responsible for a loan of $3 million, the trump organization helped bail him out. before eric trump, who oversees golf courses in a virginia winery faced questioning in a lawsuit from aggrieved members, they found an out. the payroll information technology in human resources for her separate brand was registered by the trump organization lawyers. they're all grifters. >> right.
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well, this goes back even further. donald trump's grandfather was a draft dodger from germany. he built a hotel for what were called sparking ladies on land he didn't own. in other words, he was basically a pimp, and his father ripped off taxpayers. this is a family where they believe it's okay whatever they do, because they're special. what letitia james has done that's very important is she has said all throughout this suit trump knew, trump directed, trump went to this meeting, because donald has traditionally said, i just did what my experts told me to do, and she then shows here's what the experts told you, this building is worth $200 million, you then claimed it was worth $527 million and said the experts told you that. he cannot deny this, that's why he took the fifth amendment when
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he was questioned 500 times, something on that magnitude. >> parr barr, who we already know -- i will just say in my opinion he seems to be quite corrupt and corruptly tried to help the president when trump was president. leave the children alone. here's trump handing his business to his kids in january 2017. >> my two sons, who are right here, don and eric, are going to be running the company. they are going to be running it in a very professional manner. they're not going to discuss it with me. >> professional manner? in the spring of 2012, prosecutors in the manhattan d.a.'s office had been building a criminal case against ivanka trump and donald trump jr. for misleading prospective buyers of units in soho, a hotel and condo development that was failing to sell. making clear they were aware that they were using inflated
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figures about how well the condos were selling to buyers. they're all cheats. >> yes. in that case, joy, the profits that trump got disappeared into an icelandic bank under the control of a russian oligarch. this is a family enterprise. we're not talking about some 18-year-old duped into something. these are middle aged children, or at least the oldest son is certainly middle aged. you either have responsibility or you don't. i mean, donald has tried to suggest that my children are young, they're being beaten up on. with baron, yes, but not on this. >> or if it was tiffany. she didn't have knowledge. she gets nothing. she's lucky and should thank her stars that she gets nothing because being not involved is excellent for you, tiffany. trust. david cay johnston, thank you so much. we have breaking news in the trump mar-a-lago investigation.
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the 11th circuit court of appeals has lifted the hold barring the department of justice from using the classified material seized in their investigation. still ahead, president biden urges allies to hang tough as putin calls up another 300,000 reservists to backstop his crumbling invasion of ukraine. stay right there. what if i can't sell my place? don't worry. sell it directly to opendoor and we'll help you buy your next one. aww. get your free offer at opendoor.com new salonpas lidocaine flex. a super thin, flexible patch with maximum otc strength lidocaine that contours to the body to relieve pain right where it hurts. and did we mention, it really, really sticks? salonpas, it's good medicine. ♪ hisamitsu ♪
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up with a new threat of nuclear war from russian president vladimir putin. humiliated, losing in his bid to absorb ukraine, putin announced a partial mobilization of up to 300,000 reserve troops a move he promised he would not make and that russia has not made since the second world war. "the washington post" is reporting that individuals in four cities have already received their summons, which could explain why russian media is reporting a spike in flights to leave. putin warned he wasn't bluffing when he said he would use various means of destruction to protect russia and russian territory. separatists on friday planned on expanding the territory by holding four sham reren dumbs. it doubled down on their support for ukraine.
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president biden took direct aim at putin with the goal of isolating him on the world stage. >> this war is about extinguishing ukraine's right to exist as a state, plain and simple. and ukraine's right to exist as a people. the united states wants this war to end on just terms, on terms we all signed up for, that you cannot seize a nation's territory by force. the only country standing in the way of that is russia. so we, each of us in this body, who are determined the hold up the principles of beliefs, we pledge to defend, as members of the united nations, must be clear, firm, and unwavering in our resolve. >> just last week putin faced pushback from allies, including india, china, and turkey who publicly and privately expressed
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concerns about the invasion. ukraine president volodymyr zelenskyy speaking by video today told the generally assembly that russia's war mongering should be punished and his country would ultimately prevail. >> crime has been committed against ukraine, and we demand just punishment. we didn't provoke this war. we can return the ukrainian flag to our entire territory. we can do it with the force of arms, but we need time. >> joining me now is former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, william taylor, now vice president for russia and europe at the u.s. institute of peace. ambassador taylor, always good to talk with you. let's talk about what's happening in russia. we're actually seeing something very unusual. we see protests in the streets, people getting arrested for protesting against the war, chanting no more war. meanwhile, the leadership in russia -- there's stories about the wagner group going into
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prisons and recruiting prisoners, doing a massive call-up, essentially a draft to force people to fight and people hopping onto planes to get out of the country. what do you make of what seems to be a destabilizing home front for this war in russia? >> joy, you're exactly right. president putin has big problems at home. his people are starting to figure out that they're not winning this war. starting to figure out it's actually a war. he's not been able to say that. he wants his people to think it's a special military operation. but it's clearly a war, and the people are starting to understand, and they don't like it. they don't support this. he's also got problems from his right. he's got nationalists who want him to be tougher, kill more civilians. so he's in a difficult position right now, joy. >> and also internationally. i mean, he went on this sort of friendship tour thinking that he could get turkey, even
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kyrgyzstan and china. they didn't seem to give him a ringing endorsement for what he's doing. they seem to be rather chilly. >> very chilly even in public. the chinese, president xi is not satisfied. you have questions and concerned about what i'm doing in ukraine. so that was that. and then you had the indian president, president modi, who said i have constantly told you, and putin said i know you constantly told me that. so he's gotten this pushback from both indians and the chinese. >> let's talk about what's happening at the u.n. we did see volodymyr zelenskyy speak via video, president biden with a strong speech condemning what russia was doing. we spoke to our ambassador to the united nations yesterday about what it means for the
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russians to still be in the security council. that's one of the things that volodymyr zelenskyy said, is that they shouldn't be, they should be ousted from that body. here's what our ambassador to the united nations said to us on this show last night. >> we have to isolate russia, to condemn russia, to kick russia off of the human rights council. they are a permanent member of the security council. that is something that we cannot change, but we will not continue to allow them to use that purge to terrorize the world with their actions. >> ambassador linda thomas-greenfield there, but is it true that there is nothing that can be done by the world body to kick them? out they were kicked out of the j.a.. >> they were kicked out of the j.a., and as the ambassador just said they were also kicked off one of the human rights
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organizations within the un. so they can do that by vote. she is of course. right it is very difficult to take any of the permanent five members to veto the rights hard to get them off. so i think linda thomas-greenfield is right. it is very tough. that said, there are some things that can be done. she has made good points about increasing transparency. so if russia uses its veto, it would be required, under a new reform, to go to the general assembly, where they don't have a veto, and explain why they -- , which they don't have to do right now. so there are things that can make the russians be called into account. >> i think the president also today made some, gave support to expanding the number of people on that permanent security council. but that small group of people, adding more countries around the world, including africa and other parts of the world, rather than europe, which i think is important as well. the big exit question, does the
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destabilization they were seeing inside russia plus the condemnation of the world, at some point, in your view, force putin to step down in this war, because he is now threatening nuclear war. >> it might. it might force him to stand down. what will really force him to stand down and to look for a way out, is continued ukrainian success on the battlefield. and president putin is trying to change the subject. he's trying to call up 3000 troops and rattle the nuclear sable at saber again. he's failing in ukraine. the key place is on the battlefield in ukraine, where he is losing, and his troops are not doing well. that is where he can be forced to back down. >> ambassador william taylor, always a pleasure, sir. thank you very much. much.
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of protests are broken out after a woman died in police custody after she was arrested for allegedly failing to fully cover her hair. joining me now from tehran is nbc news correspondent ali arouzi. ali? >> hi, joy. that's right. for the six consecutive night protesters have clashed with violent security forces across iran as palpable anger continues to boil over the death of mass that i'm uni, a 22 year old who was on holiday in tehran. she was arrested by the
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morality police because they deemed that the trousers she was wearing under her compulsory loose fitting gown were too tight. and joy, with each passing day the demonstrations seem to be getting bigger, while they are engulfing more and more of the country. as the protests grow the government keeps shrinking the internet. the bandwidth here isn't working at all. all of these apps are now blocked right now, like whatsapp, twitter, telegram, instagram. so people can't mobilize each other. they can't upload videos of the violence and the brutality going on and to try to quell the protests. but it hasn't worked. more and more people are coming. out it's interesting to note, joy, that most of the protesters are generation z. these are teenagers or young men and women in their twenties that have grown up with social media, and they are the most suffocated in this country. they are very tired, of very
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repressive rules governing how they dress, what they, watch who they socialize with, and it has spilled out into these massive protests that we are seeing now. but the crackdown is also becoming harsher and harsher as the protests grow and go on for longer. there are more security forces coming out, but joy, i have been around for a long time. i've seen a lot of protests in this place. but i have never seen the youth in this country this angry and this determined to reach their rights and to face off so violently with the police. this may be all over in the next few days as the crackdown ensues. but the genie is out of the bottle, and something has changed here in the islamic republic is now facing a very serious problem that they haven't faced for 43 years. >> ali arouzi, it is so valuable to have you in our organization. i appreciate, you my friend. thank, you thank you, thank you. all right, as nbc's ali arouzi in tehran. this breaking news tonight, the
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