>> it's not him in prison, it's everything but. it's a trump branch matters mightily. 200 pages, comprehensive. i don't think they can go to trial. this is the worst days ever had, legally. >> harry lippman, as always, a pleasure. thank you always, a pleasure thank yo good evening, chris. it is a stunning series of developmentes for donald trump and legal he woulds. >> the quite a day. >> as evidence of that, the fact we're saying review with the french. >> i said it wrong. >> do you find human to human here, just asking you a question -- >> not like there are cameras on. >> but the notion of having that much legal weight bearing down on meat gives me like a viscera stomach pain. and just wild to me to just live your life in this way. >> obviously, his constitution

is differentio than ours. he sending out fund-raising e-mails. this is oxygen to him and elemental. wealth, success, winning, that is central to his being. >> so alien to me.ie as a person, i can't imagine. >> i'll think twice about suing you then. >> please don't. >> thank you, chris,in as alway. thank you for joining us. tonight in the last fewin hours trump suffered a legal setback in a different case. the one regarding the materials seized from his florida beach club.s an appeals court ruled the justice department can have access tont roughly 100 highly sensitive classified documents taken fromit mar-a-lago. trump has been arguing that all

of the documents seized from his club are his personal property. and if the fbi found anything classified in, there he declassified it when he was president, even though he has n record of ever having done thato trump got a lower court judge who he appointed to agree a speciale master should go thror all the documents. and in a ruling that was widely ridiculed, he said while the special master is going through the documents, the justice department is not allowed to look at the classified documents or to use them in a criminal investigation into trump having thein documents at his beach cl in the h first place. tonight, thee judges on the 11th court of appeals brushed about a thak lower court judge and said that, yes, the justice department can indeed have 5:00 tes to those classified documents afterss all. the judge is right in their opinion. for our part, we cannot discern why plaintiff trump would have an individual interest in or

needua for any of the 100 documents with classification markings. a person may have classified mark fgz he has a need to know thene information. this pertains equally to former presidents. as toor trump's argument he secretly declassified the documents at some point, this is a red herring, declassifying an official document would not change the content or render it personal. so even if we assume that plaintiff trump did declassify some or all of these documents, that would not explain why he has a personal interest in them. this ruling is really pretty full throated rebuke of eileen cannon's ruling in trump's favor. and also seems like it allows the justice department to immediately resume its investigation into trump for hoarding the classified documents in the very first place. joining us now to help understand all of this is barbara mcquaid, former u.s. attorney for the eastern

district of michigan. thank you forf helping us decipher the most recent ruling from the 11th circuit court of appeals. seems like a good win for the department of justice. how did you read this? what happens next? >> yeah, a resounding victory for the justice department. and also a very swift victory. they file the reply brief only yesterday. and immediately we saw the appeals court issue the ruling. i was stunned to see it come out so quickly. the language very strong. they explain why classified documents are so incredibly sensitive and important. and not only let you get back to work. take your document ands go. i imagine this will take effect

immediately. now donald trump has options here. he can file an appeal as you were just mentioning with the full 11th w circuit court of appeals. thiss. is such a losing issue. ios have to imagine the decisio will be done veryde swiftly because ofne the recognized har to national security that occurs every day, every minute that goes byy, that the justice department does not have the ability to investigate the disclosure of the documents. they got a favorable ruling from eye line cannon. six of the judges are trump appointees. ptr perhaps they thought the ma was in their favor. as the document shows us, being a trump appointee doesn't matter

here. this was a procure yum order which means no particular judge -- no particular judge takes credit. >> people like to think of donald trump or obama judges, this is a good example of court of law. all the frivolous lawsuits, baseless lawsuits filed around the country to try to get the election thrown out in various states. the courts held. 64 lawsuits, the trump team failed to succeed in the frivolous tlawsuits. that's because our courts held, even trump appointees. i think it is heartening to see, once again, we had the bump in the road with judge cannon.

i don't know her motives. but to see the three judges, two of whom are trump appointees completely reject the frivolous argument is a good day for the rule ofs law. >> we like to hear that. they could have them back in their possession. they could begin continuing to use them. and also the intelligence community t assessment, that investigation that, assessment couldth continue as well.nt very important for national security. i want to get your thoughts on the other major news. so hang with us if you might. it is hard to recall now buried amid so many years of outrage and scandal in the trump presidency and post presidency. but before donald trump even entered the white house practically the first thing he after getting elected in 2016 is to pay out $25 million to

thousands of people who claimed he had defrauded them. this was just ten days after his election. thousands of former students at trump university accused him of running a scam. saying the whole university was a money making scheme. and joining all those students was a new york attorney general's office. donald trump had been running this scam university out of new york. and the attorney general basically stepped in and said, no. not in my state. trump had to pay up. trump university is no more. the new york a.g. said that it was a trump slush fund. he used it for handing out money to veterans charities even though he wasn't giving p much money to veterans charities. use the charity too settle hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of legal problems. even used it for the cause of

buying a $10,000 giant portrait of himself to hang in one of his golf clubs. do h you remember this? the new york attorney general got thatw fake charity shut do, accusing it of engaging in a shocking pattern of illegality. he had to pay $2 million to actualli charities. so if you're sensing a theme here, you're not off base. it's all scams. frauds, university, charity, and it could make sense that his entire business might be run on scams as well.el that is what is being investigated by the new york attorney general. today a.g. james accused donald trump and his children of engaged in numerous acts of fraud and misrepresentation and misrepresenting assets. inflated assets they used to get more favorable loans and coverage fromab banks and

ensurers. in doing so, they violated a host of state criminal laws over ain period of ten years from 20 to 2021. the lawsuit details more than 200 alleged false asset valuations. here just a couple of the big ones. trump's famous pent house apartment in trump tower. nice place if you're into gilding. and 10,000 square feet by new york,0 city standards, it is a g apartment. but for the purposes of valuing his assets, donald trump claimed the apartment was three times bigger, over 30,000 square feet. because of his so huge, a fi years o ago, he said it was wor $327 million. trump's own financial officer said that valuation of his apartmentn amounted to an overstatement of, give or that, $200 million. just for context here, the most expensive apartment on the new york city last year was listed for $169

million. trump said his69 apartment was worth almost double that seven years thago. nice try, donald trump. and then there is trump's florida beach club, mar-a-lago. to get tax breaks, he signed on to restrictions on what could and could not be done with that property which included turning night real estate. even under those reinstructions, the club is worth a cool $75 million. but when it came time to assess the value as one of his assets, trump pretended none of those restrictions existed and the whole place could be developed and sold for residential use. he said mar-a-lago is worth not $75 million, but $739 million. literally 10 times its value. >> this investigation revealed that donald trump engaged in years of illegal conduct to inflate his net worth to achieve, to deceive banks and the people of the great state of new york.e

claiming you have money that you do not have does not amount to the art of the deal. it's the art of the steal. and there cannot be different rules for different people in this country or in this state. and former presidents are no different. >> she said today that trump's conduct appeared to violate not just new york law but federal law as well. specifically laws against bank fraud. she says there may have been tax violations. she referred the evidence to the u.s. attorney's office in manhattan as well as to the irs. but even if no federal charges come out of this the new york a.g. has the power to impose severe consequences on trump and his business. that office already shut down trump's sham university and his fakey charity. james can't criminally indict trump. she is not lacking to dissolve

the trump organization. but she is seeking to bar trump and his children frefer running as business in new york again. to bar them from getting loans or acquiring real estate in new york for five years. and to recover $250 million in allegedly ill gotten gains. that is no small sum. s put all that together and this lawsuit has a potential to put the trumps out of business in the state of new york. joining us once again is barbara mcquaid from the eastern district ofhe michigan. what do you make of the strength of the a.g.'s case here. she cites ten years of trump statements on his wealth. this is a scathing, scathing document that she -- 220 dlsh clocking in at 222 pages. how do you -- how strong is this given the sort of bar in terms of standard of proof for a civil case? >> it looks incredibly strong td me. this is detail.

more thanib 200 pages detailing all of the fraudulent claims, some of which you just highlighted. and, you know, prosecutors love cases like this. they're built on documents as opposed tots eyewitnesses. witnesses can fall apart later because observations can be impeached, their credibility can be undermined on cross-examination. but documents don't forget and documents don't lie. if you show in one document that the asset was valued at one number and then in another document the asset is valued at another number, those inconsistencies can really only be explained by, you know, were you lying now or lying then? these were sophisticated schemes but it is real bring stealing money. i think thes documents lay out the case in greats detail.

sometimes it's very difficult to show intent. here the standard is preponderance of the evidence, just 51%. and so with that standard and this detail and those documents as evidence,th i like her odds. >> well, to that end, trump and i believe eric trump had to testify and answer questions about his net worth. that was in august. both trump and his son took the fifth, over 400 times. trump took it 440 times. eric took it over 500 times. that is meaningful in a civil case, is it not? and with all of the documents, the aforementioned documents we just discussed? >> it is. all of us have a fifth amendment right to avoid answering questions that might incriminate us in a criminal case. a criminal prosecutor can obtain the transcripts as use that for a prosecution. so we all enjoy that right.

if this were a criminal case, the statements could not even be introduced to a jury. they couldn't even know that the person had invoked their fifth amendment right. they may an inference from the fact this they invoked the fifth amendment right. when the personok is asked whetr they have an honest explanation for the allegations, they invoked their fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. that can be a powerful inference in the cases. it doesn't make the whole case. if you have other evidence that shows evidence of a crime, that alone can really than tipping point to put you over that 51%. >> and we now also know that the sdny, the southern district of new york and the irs, this case is referred to them. they're not giving up any information on that. but we'll be eagerly awaiting developmentes on that front as well. barbara mcquaid, thank you for your time and your expertise as

always. >> thanks, alex. >> much more ahead on trump's legal problems this hour. i'll speakhi with someone who first started documenting his rise back when he was just a new york city real estate mogul. but next, new york investigative susan craig won a pullser prize for her investigation on his finances. she joins us here next. ion on hs finances she joins us here next host: tell me the... mom: chimichanga! name the device... the telephone! turns out moms are always right, and it turns out the general is a quality insurance company that's been saving people money for nearly 60 years. for a great low rate, and nearly 60 years of quality coverage - go with the general.

a 200 filing today, a.j. james laid out a case for donald trump for financial fraud and the businesses multiple attempts to conceal that fraud to financial entities. attorney general james notes that when deutsche bank, for example, xdz trump and the businesses related to this "new york times" article from 2020,

which mentioned an irs investigation into a $72.9 million tax refund, they did not reply for months. suzanne craig investigated trump's finances for years. she won a prize for her work no 2019. first people to shed light on his illegal schemes and now today the new york a.g. is carrying that mantle potentially to court. joining us now is suzanne craig, "new york times" investigative reporter. suzanne, thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> this is the culmination of so much work you set into motion. let me first ask, what stood out? it's a monster -- it's a monster lawsuit. >> yeah. i brought it here. >> and there are so many egregious examples. >> what i felt compelling as a

reporter, we usually, a lot of stories take different components to piece it together. sometimes you have one in the case of 2020. we had a huge volume of his tax documents. and other stories we have a lot of component pieces. and in 2018 we did and we were able to show because we had bank statements and we had financial statements. we were able to show a fraud. they have statements. they have interviews from people, embarrass across a huge number of entities from the accountants to bankers. i was reading page after page. >> it's full color. >> yeah. >> full spectrum. is there a property that struck you as the most egregious in terms of asset inflation and fraud? >> the asset inflation. it was striking to see just the percentages, some of them are over 1,000. jupiter is one.

they were inflating that asset by huge amounts. >> he bought it, i think, in $5 million. the jupiter golf club. less than a year later, values the same property at $62 million. >> right. those sort of numbers. and when you're doing appraisals and i've learned this just, you know, over the years having covered him, there is a language. i'll give a charitable donation, you can go high. that is code for go low. you don't want to pay the taxes on that. so there is an understanding and i think there is leeway in what you can do. but some of this stuff is off the charts. >> 1100% is not normal. >> no. >> do you feel -- okay. so when we're talking about this lawsuit, it is centrally about donald trump. but what makes this different and perhaps more damming for

trump at large. we're talking about generational fraud. he is naming ivanka and eric. he is naming donald trump jr. and for donald trump that seems meaningful. now bill barr was suggesting dragging the children into this was an unsavory thing for the attorney general to do. but does it sound like they played two meaningful roles? >> i want to take you to an example. the trump organization is not, you know, fortune 500 company where there are thousands of people. there are a small group of people. and donald trump has by his decision to wid will it down to the top executives are largely his children. the churn are very involved. one of the scam thamz stood out to me today was the appraisal and what happened at seven springs. seven springs is this estate in new york. donald trump bought it for a few million dollars in 1995.

and then turned around and later, i got it here, later puts it at $250 million valuation on it. seven springs is important for a couple reasons. eric trump is very involved in it. he has at times lived there. he proposed to his now wife. there he has a very sent mental attachment to it. he bought it for grand ambitious -- he wanted to put a golf course on it and mansions on it. boy did he hear from the neighboring community very wealthy, four or five municipality that's screamed bloody murder on it. separately there was lawsuits from the nature conservancy. so they then went and they decided that they would make -- it was a charitable contribution. they would donate to get a charitable contribution which is great for your taxes. and in here it says, they point out that eric trump was very

involved and he knew that the projections that they had and that they were giving to appraisers were not feasible. secondly, they failed to inform the appraisers of the restrictions. they pushed the appraisers to do other things. they falsely informed the appraisers about other things. like this is like -- i'm reading this list. >> they being implying the trump organization including eric trump. >> right. then the appraisal, resulted because of what the attorney general is saying are these false misrepresentations that the appraisal that came out of it materially overstated the value of the seven springs property by tens of millions of dollars. you turn the page and guess what? they submitted to the irs as part of this something that reduced mr. trump's tax liability by $3.5 million. >> i mean -- >> he was able to reduce taxable income because of what the attorney general is saying is a lot of false information that was given to the appraisers led

by eric trump. >> and also the irs mentioned this case has been referred to them. hard to imagine that they don't see an interest in following that. >> i can't imagine it's not been on the radar. we have written about it and other people have written about it. the details in here, we knew about them and -- >> it's almost like a forensic examination. >> yes. >> i know what you did with less -- with more limited information. i i'm eager to see what you do with all of this information. suzanne craig, "new york times" investigative reporter. really good to have you on set on nights like. this raily appreciate it. thank you for being here. we have more ahead this hour. coming up next, i'll talk with kurt anderson, the former magazine editor what covered donald trump during his new york city real estate mogul days. stay with us. l estate mogul day. stay with us

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today russian president putin threatened the west with nuclear war. in a prerecorded televised speech, putin lied claiming that nato countries threatened to use nuclear weapons against russia. he then said that in the event of a threat to the territorial integrity of our country and to defend russia and our people we'll certainly make use of all weapons systems available to us.

this is not a bluff. a mention of territorial integrity of russia there is significant. on friday the four regions of ukraine that russia seized will will begin to vote on whether or not to officially become a part of russia and its territorial integrity. those reverenda are fully expected to be shams. the white house said the u.s. will not recognize those results but russia would. and then these areas, ones currently the active front line of russia's war of aggression, they would become places putin claims russia would use nuclear weapons to defend. so there's that. and then there was the other more immediate escalation putin announced today. although he stopped short of declaring a full national draft, today putin announced what he called a partial mobilization. what that means is mandatory deployment to ukraine for 300,000 of russia's military reservists. estimates now put the russian troop number in ukraine somewhere around 200,000. so influx of 300,000 new

reservists could double russia's military presence in it ukraine. that is a major escalation. but it is also a sign of desperation. last month before ukraine's latest big military advance, the pentagon estimated that as many as 80,000 russian troops have been hurt or killed in ukraine taking them out of commission for this fight. last week videos surfaced showing the leader of a russian mers on airy group offering russian convicts the chance to get out of prison in return for a sixth month tour in ukraine. he tells them they have to make the decision in five minutes. as outlandish as that sounds, it fits into russia's strategy so far in this war. putin has been doing everything he can to keep russians with any semblance of political power as far from the realities of this war as possible. recruiting soldiers in rural poor areas. one of the reasons today's announcement shows desperation is because it breaks with that strategy. the russian legislature literally passed new laws yesterday that make desserting

the military punishable by up to ten years in prison. and now 300,000 russian reservists told they have to go fight. that is going to take the war home for all of those people's friends and families across russia. and we're already seeing how well the people of russia are taking this news. flights out of russia to countries where you don't need a visa are selling out or they are skyrocketing in price. inside russia tonight, more than 1,000 people have been arrested in 38 different cities, all of them protesting against the new military mobilization. as brutal as this all, is it also really shows how much putin has been backed into a corner. so what comes next? joining us now is timothy snyder, professor of history at yale university. he is also the author of "on tyranny: 20 lessons from the 20th century" and just back from a visit to ukraine where he met with president zelenskyy in kyiv last weekend. thank you so much for joining me. what is your reaction to the

assessment that this latest maneuver from putin is a sign of desperation? that he is, in fact, a man in a corner? >> yeah. militarily, it's a sign that they're losing. he needs these 300,000 men that he imagines will appear to build up and defend the line. ukrainians are winning the war. the russians are losing the counter offensive. and they have to be stopped. that's what these 300,000 men are for. politically speaking, he's between a rock and hard place. he doesn't want to mobilize the population. the population doesn't want to be mobilized. they just want a tv war. they don't want a real war. on the other hand, there is zone propaganda and zone hard-liners saying we have to win now. so he is looking for a middle route. he is saying, well, it's a mobilization. it's not really a mobilization. and it's a sign of someone that is under pressure from both sides. >> and the defense minister is sort of trying to down play how many people this is going to be, right? he said russian defense minister

said only those with relevant combat and service experience will be mobilized. 25 million russians fit that criteria. only about 1% of them will be mobilized. >> on the one hand, the law that they passed says that essentially anyone in the country can be mobilized. they use the phrase partial mobilization. we should understand that like we understood special military operation. basically, any man in russia can now be mobilized. the gloss on this is, no, just a few people for now. i think russians properly understand that it could be anybody. >> it could be anybody. >> which is why you're seeing young men trying to leave the country in droves. i wonder, you know, obviously there is a reality of war and the politics back at home. but it also feels like some of putin's allies around the world are tiring of this. that they're beginning to break with them. whether they're actually tired or think russia is weakened and weaker than they previously thought it could be with the military the size of what we

presume the military to be. indian prime minister mody last week said now is not an era of war. chinese president ping has questions and concerns. turkish president this week says russia should return ukraine's land. i want to quote. the lands which were invaded will be returned to ukraine. in no uncertain terms, speaking to putin, how meaningful is it that those men are saying these things at this junk tour? >> when you run a regime that is based on might is right and power is everything and then you lose a war, obviously, you lose credibility around the world. putin doesn't actually stand for anything. except the idea that russia is a superpower. the way he is prosecuting this war involves horrible crimes that the things i saw in ukraine involved, you know, crimes against humanity. things that amount to genocide. in addition to the leaders you list, there are people that care

about things like that. much as well as the ukrainians themselves. but the point i think with the men that you're mentioning is that he's losing the war. china would be happy to -- was happy to have a quick war. but it's not getting a quick war. just like the russian population would be happy to have a tv war but now it's not getting a tv war. >> what of zelenskyy? you saw him last week. he is speaking virtually at the united nations. do you have a sense of how much he is -- was prepared for something like this to happen to the degree that putin is telegraphing, ramping up? >> yeah. you have to distinguish between how we react and the ukrainians react. much of the rhetoric he uses is meant to push our buttons. for example, when he tries to connect the nuclear threat to other things. he's been talking about nuclear war for six months basically uninterrupted. but he knows that will push our buttons. he hopes that will stop us or hinder us or slow us down from helping ukrainians.

ukrainians on the other hand factored this in long ago. they read the russians much p more quickly an effectively than we do. and they're fundamental reaction is this means we have to win the war by default. >> their tenacity has been absolutely stunning. i want to ask you about one last thing as we talk about putin's standing in russian -- in russia. there have been reports from inside russia that russian businessmen are being -- are dying from suicide accidents, it sound like it's the fsb at work, eliminating people who may be threat to putin's power. ten people have died under suspicious circumstances since the war in ukraine began. do you draw any lines there in terms of putin's paranoia, his power grabs? how do you frame that in the context of this war? >> i think we're in the late stages where the various entities among which putin kept the peace are now beginning to, sort of believe separate from

one another. the chechians, the army with the loss of prestige, there are the businessmen. there are a lot of things going on. things are blowing up inside russia. military recruiting posts are being set on fire. that is not only ukrainians. so it's hard to do the criminology. i think you're right. what we're seeing is a man who is always the arbitor is losing his ability to hold things together. >> that seems both like perhaps there is light at the end of the tunnel but also like we're in a very unstable and precarious movement. >> they always fall. the dictators always fall. you just have to be ready. >> we'll leave it there with you. professor tim snyder, professor of history at yale university, great to talk with you. author of "on tyranny: 20 lessons from the 20th century." next, kurt anderson, the former magazine editor that covered donald trump going back decades joins me to react to today's big trump legal news. stay with us. trump legal news stay with us

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trump the game, it's not whether you one or lose, it's whether you win. that was a tag line for donald trump's board game in the late 1980s. at the time trump was just beginning his journey from new york celebrity to nationally recognized figure. it played out the same way everything else plays out. you got what they were saying there at the end. his proceeds from trump the game will be donated to charity. trump claimed to have donated $1 million from proceeds from that game to charity. they found out that, surprise, there is no evidence trump ever did such a thing. back in 1989, the nation had yet to learn the extent of donald trump's propensity for shameless lies. in his hometown of new york, trump was already well known as a fake.

the magazine made it a mission to poke and mock and expose trump at every turn. the art of the deal dedicated to exposing trump's many lies about his wealth. it was perhaps the very first investigation into trump's inflated assets. by 1991, they dug deep near trump's financial chicanery with an article titled "all of the people all of the time" how he used bond holders to pay for the yachts and mansions and mistresses. as vanity fair writes, "trump's war on losers: the early years." unself aware bully with a curious relationship to the truth about his supposed wealth and business prowess. he is facing accountability for his financial misdeeds with the

new york attorney general filing a lawsuit accusing him of misstating the value of his properties to the tune of billions purely for financial gain and fitting has happening in new york, the pla is that made trump can now unmake him. i can think of no one better to talk in this moment than kurt anderson, one of the founding editors of "spy magazine" and author of "evil geniuses." good to see you. >> my pleasure. >> that article should be cited in her lawsuit, right? outlines everything he's been doing for 30 years. and my question is, why did it take so long? >> well, it is extraordinary. and it's one thing to be able to say 31 years later we told you so. but like you, i read that story today. in my case for the first time in 31 years when you didn't read it because you were a child, it was extraordinary. it is the same stuff. it is inflating wealth to cheap investors.

and just as he's been alleged to have done by the state attorney general of new york. and, again and again and again doing that. and again, we have -- this is nine piece -- nine page story that had him to rights and he never denied it. he never sued us. you never did anything. of course, he threatened more than once. but the fact -- people in new york who were around then say, as your introduction suggested, we knew he was a fraud. but we really did. and it wasn't just we knew it like you have a hunch. >> it was in broad daylight. >> correct. >> there were ads for trump the game, right? and the tag shrine he donated the money to charity. of course, he didn't donate any of the money. he was allowed to go on as this larger than life character in new york. and i want to get your sense of how moments like today might be hitting someone whose central being is tieded to the notion of wealth and success.

we talk about how trump is terrified of being a loser. but, you know, it's -- in the filing, the new york a.g. quotes a "forbes" magazine article that says "no one has been more fixated with his or her net worth estimate on year in year out basis than donald trump. it is a subject that he cares about to the depths of his soul." >> right. he spent a the lot of time bludgeoning the forbes people each year to try to get him on higher and higher on that list. sometimes under pretending to be his publicist and calling them up and badgering them. it is clearly beyond his pathological addict like need for attention which is like no person i've ever seen, this particular thing of i am richer than i am has always been his thing. it's always looked like oh, yeah, he exaggerates as his famous phrase for it in art of deal, his first book. it is truthful hyperbole.

it was just lies. but it was never -- it was back then, he never really got called out on it let alone sued or charged criminally for it. and now, perhaps, he will. >> do you see some poetic justice here? that new york, the city that really did make donald trump could be in courtesy of la tisha james, a city that does something to him. i won't probably will not land him behind bars. it could stop him from doing business. and to trump, that feels like a blow like no other. >> i think that's right. >> why did they drag the children into it? the 38, 39 and 44-year-old

children that are heirs of the company. ridiculous. new york, latisha james is not in new york city but the state a.g. no, there is something in fictional that is almost too packed. this is where the walls begin to really close in on him. >> one does wonder how a man -- i was talking about this with chris hayes. how he is managing these parallel investigations and fund-raising off of all of it with a sick joy at the same time. >> she went after donald trump and that was a mistake as she admitted. this is less obviously political. it's not the fbi and the department of justice. it's not anything he did as president. it's what he has done recently.

and the brazenness of the exaggeration, we were talk brg we started, but six in ten times their actual value. they're worth several million dollars apiece. the mar-a-lago is worth whatever he said it was, $250 >> $750 million. it's remarkable. it is great to visit spelled out this way and have to have him be held accountable. again this is the case. they may not connect all the dots.

he took the fifth amendment more than 400 times. >> go read your old "spy" magazines. kurt anderson, thank you for being here. >> my pleasure. n, thank you for being here >> my pleasure

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that does it for us tonight. "way too early" with jonathan lemier is coming up next. >> donald trump falsely inflated his net worth by billions of dollars to unjustly enrich himself and to cheat the system thereby cheating all of us. >> latisha james lays out fraud by donald trump and three of his children. how this is the latest in the legal problems for the trump family. plus, president biden calls on world leaders to hold russia accountable for "a brutal needless war, a war chosen by one man." more