much. you can watch the latest edition of "field report" tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern, 7:00 pacific and streaming on peacock. please do me a favor, check it out, it's important. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. peter alexander is up with more news right now. good thursday morning, i'm peter alexander here in washington. right now back-to-back legal blows for donald trump. overnight a federal appeals court gave the green light to the justice department to resume its criminal investigation into classified documents seized from mar-a-lago. the judges rejected the former president's claims about those documents and the original judge's decision. that setback coming just hours after new york's attorney general announced a lawsuit against trump, three of his adult children and the trump organization. the more than 200-page lawsuit alleges what the new york a.g.

calls staggering business fraud over a decade. we'll have the response from team trump in just moments. we're also watching blowback in russia to vladimir putin's plan to mobilize more troops to fight in ukraine. more than 1300 people were detained in rare protests. the desperate measures taken by some russians facing a potential draft. also a significant update in the january 6th investigation. a source telling nbc news it is agreed -- it has reached an agreement to interview conservative activist ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. what that could mean for the panel's next hearing next week. we start with the latest on the multiple investigations into donald trump. joining me now is vaughn hillyard from trump tower in new york, justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, charles coleman, the former new york prosecutor and andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and senior member of the

mueller probe. charles and andrew fortunately for us are both msnbc legal analysts. ken, let me start with you if i can. we're talking about two separate cases here so i want to start with the justice department's investigation and this appeals court decision. this as we discussed a short time ago, this was a total repudiation of what the trump appointed judge in florida had ruled in this case. >> total repudiation, peter. they said this judge abused her discretion in granting this relief to donald trump and didn't read the law right. it's really remarkable because all the things that andrew weissmann and other legal experts have been saying on our air in recent weeks about this have come to pass. these judges, two of whom were appointed by donald trump, essentially said what we all believed was the law, which is that the courts defer to the executive branch when it comes to national security and classified information. and when the head of the fbi's counterintelligence division says in a sworn affidavit that

they needed those 100 documents to do a damage assessment and do their investigation, these appellate judges listen to that, they defer to that, especially in the absence of any evidence, they said, that donald trump had a legitimate claim to these documents or that a special master should be reviewing them. so the upshot is that the justice department gets to keep these classified documents segregated, as they are now. they do not go to the special master. he will not be reviewing them. and the fbi gets to use them in its criminal investigation and national security damage assessment. the other 11,000 documents seized at mar-a-lago will continue to go forward because this was a narrow request to the appeals court. of course the trump side may appeal and it would go to the supreme court. as it stands right now, this judge's order with respect to the classified documents is stayed and the justice department has a victory here, peter. >> i want to bring in andrew for a second if i can. andrew, we heard from the former

president speaking to fox news late yesterday, his first sort of public response to what we heard from the attorney general in new york yesterday, also, even though he was speaking before the ruling that came out of the 11th court of appeals, circuit court of appeals, we did sort of get a better understanding about his view of all of this, even though it's different than what his own attorneys are arguing. here's part of what the former president said. take a listen. >> it doesn't have to be a process as i understand it. you know, there's different people say different things, but as i understand it, it doesn't have to be. if you're the president of the united states, you can declassify just by saying it's declassified, even by thinking about it, because you're sending it to mar-a-lago or to wherever you're sending it. >> so you just heard the former president. he is claiming that you can basically just think it and by magic the documents are declassified. give us the reality check there. >> yeah, this is what i call the bewitched defense, that he somehow can sort of magically

transform documents into unclassified documents. i think the most important aspect of what he just said is the last piece, where he intimates that these documents went to mar-a-lago. i think the government's fear is they don't have a handle on where all of the classified documents are. the 11th circuit dealt with this issue. they said not only is there no claim and no evidence in the courts with respect to declassification, because donald trump has been too afraid, timid or cowardly to make that claim because if he makes that claim in court, he can be prosecuted for it. there is penalties for lying. but they said it's also irrelevant. they said it doesn't matter whether these documents are classified or not, they're still not his documents. they have no business being at

mar-a-lago. they had to be at the archives. and so this is just a lose, lose, lose scenario for the former president. >> andrew, what strikes me, and i was going to pull up the actual quote from the ruling yesterday. the circuit court there in the 11th circuit said -- the appeals court said the declassification argument in their words is a red herring because declassifying an official document would not change its content or render it personal. basically erasing the art that the former president as trying to make. i want to get to vaughn who's outside trump tower. vaughn, give us a sense of what we are hearing from those within the former president's circle right now. this was a day that they had not been looking forward to. you talk to aides and they say he's emboldened and feel like people rush to their defense. but their legal problems are piling up. >> reporter: in the department of justice investigation into those more than 100 classified documents continues. we have reached out to trump's team as well as trump's legal team about whether they intend to appeal the 11th circuit's

decision allowing the doj to continue to look through these documents. and we were talking about the red herring aspect of this. ultimately when we're looking at statute, it comes down to whether donald trump and whether the court will decide whether donald trump had the right to these documents. these are documents that the department of justice is looking to see whether they were, one, mishandled and to what extent there was national security damage through this process. the doj is now working with the office of the director of national intelligence to make those assessments here at this time. but for trump's legal team, it is now about those other nearly 11,000 documents that the special master will work through those that were not marked as classified. as it relates to the trump organization lawsuit at hand, now we are waiting to hear which jum will take this up in the state of new york. judge arthur is the individual who had been working on this case, holding donald trump in

contempt as well as requiring him to sit for that deposition. the a.g.'s office hopes that he will be the one to take up this case here and the one to consider whether these financial penalties as well as the penalties that could leave him and his children without the ability to serve as officers here in the state of new york for any corporation and a potential five-year suspension about being able to take out any lope for their corporation from any bank here in the united states, whether those financial penalties that could be potentially crippling would take effect. there's not an exact timeline. i think it's important to note this investigation from the ag's office took three and a half years. it is not clear how far along the u.s. attorney's office may be or whether the irs criminal division had already been looking into this. of course district attorney alvin bragg suggested yesterday that he is opening up -- reopening up his investigation into what the a.g.'s office found. at the same time, there is the potential that he could largely be starting from a place of zero

and be going through these documents for the first time too. there's a lot of open question marks about the timeline of this process. >> no doubt. i want to get to what's happening in new york in just a second. charles, just to put a punctuation point on what we heard from the 11th circuit court of appeals, this is a three-judge panel that ruled against the former president. notably two of those judges were trump appointees. what does that signal about where this is going and ultimately this could end up in the supreme court. likely the whole court could get involved if it so chose. where does this go? >> i think what it tells you when you're talking about the court, there's only so much that you can do in many terms of playing politics. that ruling from the district court was so bad that the 11th circuit literally could not do anything with it. it was also very affirming for the doj to have gone for it and filed their appeal so that they could have this very narrowly

tailored ask ratified. they had to look at the person that the district court judge tried to set forth. her reasoning didn't make accepts and wasn't commensurate with the law. they put it in front of the 11th circuit. the 11th circuit did the right thing by saying we cannot allow the precedent this would do to go forward. we cannot allow former members of the executive branch, we cannot allow that power to stand. so what they did was they basically dismantled that opinion and turned around and reversed it and said she had overreached. so i think it has to be affirming to the doj for taking a chance that many people questioned was this the right decision because there were trump appointees on the 11th circuit. but with respect to politics and the bench, there's only so far that you can take that. >> andrew, let me take you back to new york, the attorney general's announcement

yesterday. the former trump attorney general, bill barr, called this civil lawsuit a political hit job. he spoke on fox news yesterday. he's been critical of his former boss recently. i want to play what he said and get your reaction to that. take a listen. >> she grossly overreaches when she tries to drag the children into this. yes, they had roles in the business, but this was his personal financial statement. the children aren't going to know the details of that and nor are they expected in the real world to do their own due diligence. >> william barr saying it was overreach, a political hit job. your reaction to what we know about what the new york attorney general is laying out as part of this case. >> so, you know, i don't -- i think it's a fair question to ask with respect to each of the charged defendants. what is the proof and what is the evidence with respect to what they personally knew and did. my issue with what bill barr is

saying is i just highly doubt that he read all 200 pages of this complaint and has knowledge of what the children who are in their 30s and 40s knew at the time. so wheel this may be a valid concern, i don't think he presented any evidence this is applicable here. so i think this is bill barr spouting off without having the fact to support his conclusions. so i think it's grossly premature and also sort of -- it sort of blinks at reality when you're talking about people who are not in their teens and by all accounts did have a role in running the trump organization for many, many years. and i think the other thing that's really important is that

letitia james really did, i thought, a very good job because the things that she focused on were objectively true or not true. she steered away from things that had subjective components, such as an appraisal of a property. those could be a wide spectrum and people can disagree. but she focused on things that were just black and white. you either have a right to sell property off and make condos or you don't. and so she kept on going through things that were just black and white over and over and over again, which i just thought was the correct strategy, particularly when it's just a civil case, meaning that while there are dire consequences financially, she only has to prove the case by a preponderance, which is more likely than not, 50% plus a hair. this is not a criminal case where she would have to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. >> yeah, you talk about the

numbers that she brought up yesterday and the fact that the former president had claimed that his trump tower penthouse was 30,000 square feet when there are multiple data points that say it's only 11,000 square feet. he claimed it was worth $327 million and she said no pengt house in the city has ever been worth anything near that. andrew weissmann, thank you, ken dilanian, vaughn hillyard, charles coleman. hurricane fiona expected to pass by bermuda before heading to the atlantic canada, where it could become one of the strongest storms on record. what we're watching for even as a new threat brews in the gulf. plus, at the united nations president biden, he's going to meet with the president of the philippines this hour. how he used the u.n. stage to hit russia over its invasion of ukraine. and vladimir putin mobilizing thousands, hundreds of thousands of reservists to boost his country's sagging war effort. russians are trying to buy

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secretary of state antony blinken addressed an emergency meeting of the united nations security council in the last hour on russia's invasion of ukraine. the gathering there marked the first time many of the key players met face to face with world leaders already gathered

for the unga. he echoed the urgent warnings delivered by president biden yesterday. >> the very international order that we have gathered here to uphold is being shredded before our eyes. we cannot, we will not allow president putin to get away with it. >> russia's foreign affairs minister, sergey lavrov, was not in the room while blinken was speaking. lavrov is scheduled to address that same gathering later today. inside russia, blowback is intensifying after vladimir putin's call to mobilize hundreds of thousands of reserve troops to fight in ukraine. protests there have erupted in dozens of cities since his announcement with at least 1300 reportedly detained. russians are also scrambling to buy flights out of the country or driving to finland's open border. joining me now is nbc news white house correspondent carol lee in new york, nbc's jay gray is in kyiv. also with us former u.s.

ambassador to russia, michael mcfaul. carol, i want to start with you. we're also expecting to see president biden this hour. he'll be meeting with a leader of the philippines. obviously ukraine/russia is the forefront of his comments there. what has the reaction been from the global community to what the president was trying to get across yesterday, that the world must unite to stop this invasion by russia? >> well, i think the president has allies on that, specifically in europe. it's harder to unite the entire u.n. general assembly because it's a very diverse group and some of the members obviously have leanings toward russia or rely on russia for certain things such as energy. but what you're hearing from the administration is they feel very good about the president's speech, the message that he delivered, which was a number of things. if you just take the russian president vladimir putin's rhetoric when it comes to

nuclear weapons, we heard the president call that out directly, saying that that was reckless, even though the administration officials say they're not seeing any evidence that there's actually movement toward doing that behind the rhetoric as of yet. they're still sounding the alarm on it and saying that it's dangerous and really trying to put a spotlight on it to further isolate russia. one of the other things that we heard from the president was a little bit of shaming of the u.n., essentially saying, look, russia is a prominent member of this body and they are violating the united nations charter. take a listen to the president. >> let us speak plainly. a permanent member of the united nations security council invaded its neighbor, attempted to erase the sovereign state from the map. russia hasly violated the core tenets of the united

nations charter. >> so president putin's remarks in terms of threatening to use nuclear weapons has become a dominant topic here in new york as the leaders discuss various issues of the one of the things that we heard was the secretary general saying this is hugely concerning, what was once unthey thinkable is scheduled to debate. we could hear from president biden again when he meets with the president of the philippines. >> i want to get to jay now on the ground. russia tried to silence ukraine's president, volodymyr zelenskyy. he did address the assembly and received a standing ovation when he was done. what is his message and what is he touting as relates to that major prisoner swap we're learning about? >> his message was that there need to be sanctions levied against russia, they need more strict and there needs to be a peace plan in place, a

seven-step plan to bring peace andy this war. as for the prisoner exchange, quite a surprise to people. turkey as well as saudi arabia helped play a role in this release. 215 ukrainian prisoners of war released, many of those captured in mariupol after the violent battle there after russia took control of that port city. we know that 55 russians or pro-russian ukrainians who were being held by ukraine were released in this exchange. the russian defense ministry says it's the largest exchange that we've seen since the war began. we also have heard that five british p.o.w.s, a croatian, a british national and two americans were released. both men from alabama were captured in june while fighting in the eastern part of ukraine. they have been released as well. so this is something that no one

saw coming. there had been talk back and forth about some type of exchange, peter, but no one saw an exchange of this magnitude until it was announced today. >> we should let our audience know that right now we're keeping a close eye on the president who is now meeting face to face with his counterpart from the philippines, ferdinand marcos jr. if the president makes any news there, we will bring it to you. mr. ambassador, the protests, the situation we've been witnessing there in russia, those protests span across more than 30 cities. a lot of the arrests are happening of course in moscow and in st. petersburg. how damaging is this potentially for vladimir putin's larger goals? the war obviously has dragged on far longer than he had promised. and now all of a sudden these reservists who had come home are about to be sent back to the war zone? >> well, it's a major departure from his previous policy. up to this moment the war was a sideshow, wasn't much news about

it, didn't really affect russians. when you call for a partial mobilization, 300,000 soldiers now to be called up, suddenly it affects a lot more of society and that's why you're seeing these demonstrations. and i just want to underscore for our viewers, you can go to jail, as you're seeing right now, for using the word "war" in russia. and for this many people to have been arrested means that tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of russians share their same anti-war views, they just don't want to be arrested. >> ambassador, as we look at these pictures, it's such a dramatic scene right now. obviously in the west i think there is a sense that, wow, if this is happening is there a potential for it to spread wider. the crackdowns are so dramatic in countries like that. what should we make of this moment? is there a change taking place right now or is this just another moment vladimir putin will condemn and crack down on

and all of a sudden the war continues. >> well, it's evidence that he's losing the war. he wouldn't have given the speech he did earlier this week if he was winning the war. this was a desperate move. he did not want to do this because we didn't want to see what we're watching right now. and i don't want to predict what it means in terms of how long he can fight the war or what happens to his political system, but make no mistake, this is a giant setback and societal resistance is only going to grow as these people now being drafted are put on the front lines. i've listened to many of the -- people are being interviewed on the streets now about this mobilization. and what's striking to me, a lot of people are willing to say in front of cameras, i don't support the war. those that say they do support the war and they'll do what their president says can't actually explain what the war is about. if you're vladimir putin, those are very dangerous signals. >> yeah, that societal

resistance we are witnessing play out before the world's eyes right now, impossible for vladimir putin to hide from it at this point. ambassador michael mcfaul, jay gray, carol lee, thanks to all of you. next right here, ginni thomas agrees to meet with the january 6th committee but will she testify publicly? what we're learning about the committee's next hearing this month. plus buckle up. the fed is raising interest rates again to target inflation. when it comes to what it could mean for you, the fed is not mincing words. >> we've got to get inflation behind us. i wish there were a painless way to do that. there isn't. ay to do that there isn't. full plate. wait, are you my blind date? dancing crew. trip for two. nail the final interview. buy or lease? masterpiece. inside joke. artichoke. game with doug. brand new mug. come here, kid. gimme a hug. the more you want to do, the more we want to do. boosters designed for covid-19 variants

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election. meanwhile the committee is now confirming its next hearing will happen next week, wednesday, 1:00 eastern time is what they are announcing. nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali is joining me now. ali, what more are we learning about what the hearing will focus on? will ginni thomas' testimony factor in? will he testify publicly or privately? is that interview going to happen before then? >> reporter: all of those are excellent questions, peter, ones that we are asking our sources after the committee reached a compromise to have ginni thomas come in in the coming weeks. this comes, though, after several weeks of them trying to get thomas before them. they sent her a letter, this is happening voluntarily, it's not a subpoena, in large part because of the things that you mentioned that she's allegedly involved in. the fake electors schemes as well as her conversations with trump lawyer john eastman about his larger strategy to have congress overturn the election

results. all of those things have been major themes of committee hearings that we've seen so far, but now we're expecting them to be able to have more answers around what ginni thomas' role was in this. when our sources tell us this is an interview that's coming in the coming weeks, what happens just under a week from now is the committee's first and potentially only hearing of this fall before they issue their interim report and that will of course be the precursor to their final report, wrapping up all of the threads that they have teased out publicly as part of this over a year-long process of interviewing what happened on january 6th. so ginni thomas just one piece of that. as they move forward, we know there's not going to be witnesses on next week's hearing, so ginni thomas is likely to be part of that story but not the central focus. >> there's still so much information for the committee to gather, ali, thank you. this morning markets are still reacting to the federal reserve's move to hike interest rates for the fifth time this

month. we'll show you the dow. it's been down over the course of the day, now down just shy of 100 points following yesterday's steep day of losses. the latest hike, three-quarters of a point, is part of the fed's aggressive push to stabilize inflation. fed chair jerome powell signaling that there will likely be more hikes to come. this morning a sign of the global pinch. the bank of england is raising interest rates in the uk and saying that it believes the uk's economy is already in recession. i want to bring in nbc news business and data reporter brian chung. brian, to you first. we expected this rate. he telegraphed it, powell did, but he also signalled out there's likely more to come here. any indication of how much more we should expect these rates to keep going up and when this ends? >> good morning. based off of the projections we heard yesterday, it seems like

the federal reserve could have perhaps another percentage and a half of interest rate hikes before the end of next year. that's going to be required to get the inflation that all americans are experiencing at the stores down from 8.3% on a year over year basis, which was the last read. the idea is to make sure that borrowing costs are high enough to depress the demand side of the equation here. the economy has been overheating since the pandemic period. now whether or not this can effectively do the job without substantially raising the unemployment rate, obviously higher borrowing costs for businesses could put some workers out of a job. that's a concern that the federal reserve sees as they project the unemployment rate rising from 3.7% as of the last read to perhaps 4.4% next year. by the way, that would equate to over a million losing their jobs. the fed chairman saying he's not sure if this process leads to a recession. >> jason, let me ask you about this. i just want your take on what you make of the aggressiveness the federal reserve has had in terms of its efforts to raise

interest rates right now. this is a tricky business, right? you've got to be careful not to raise it too far or you just throw the country into a recession. >> yeah, no, this is a really tricky business. the fed got behind the curve last year. they moved incredibly rapidly this year. i think it is the right thing to do. there are risks on both sides of it. risks that this won't be enough to get inflation down. risks that this will be too much. i think the fed is doing the best they can to balance those risks with this move that it's taking because we're really, really far from that inflation target right now. >> jason, let me ask you about the concerns about unemployment right now. the fed did predict a rise in unemployment. obviously we're at a record low point right now so there is some room, i guess, but nobody wants to see people losing jobs even if there may be other jobs to be had at that time. what do you make about the potential impact that this would have on jobs.

>> yeah, look, right now there's about two job openings for everyone looking for a job. when you are in an environment like that, you're going to see rapid nominal wage growth, the wages that people get paid. when you have rapid wage growth, you also get rapid price growth. so businesses are taking with one hand what they're giving with the other. the fed would love to see those job openings come down, they just don't know how to make them come down without the number of unemployed going up. >> obviously this is a global problem. brian, that takes us to england. the bank of england hiking rates, suggesting the uk, the economy there is already in recession. what does that tell us about where our economy may be headed? the u.s. in a lot better shape than most of the world is right now, but unfortunately the rest of the world can help pull the u.s. down a bit as well. >> certainly. it just underscores how the inflation phenomenon that we're experiencing state side is also a global phenomenon when you consider that the bank of england projected in its announcement alongside a half a

percentage point interest rate increase that they expect inflation to peak at just under 11% in october. they expect to see double-digit inflation for a few months. now, that also comes alongside a downgrade in economic projections for the growth of the united kingdom economy. again, just a humble reminder that the supply chain issues around the world are leading to high inflation, not just in the united states but also in the uk and other jurisdictions as well. >> brian cheung, jason furman, we appreciate you both being here. thank you so much. next right here the latest on hurricane fiona as it brushes by bermuda tonight. we are on the island as it prepares for the storm. plus fire, chants and marches in the streets. the death of a 22-year-old woman arrested by iran's morality police has sparked a movement not seen there since the islamic republic's inception in 1979. our report on the ground from tehran is next. m tehran is next

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right now bermuda is bracing for a brush from hurricane fiona. the center of this category 4 storm is expected to pass just west of the island tonight on its way to atlantic canada by week's end. fiona has already battered turks and caicos, the dominican republic and as we've been reporting, puerto rico. in puerto rico it caused power outages, damaging the water supply and triggering massive flooding there. the pictures are still so hard to swallow. president biden granted a disaster declaration for the island yesterday freeing up relief resources for that island. joining us now is nbc's morgan chesky. he is on the ground in bermuda. nbc news meteorologist bill karins is with us with the track of the storm as well. morgan, the state department has issued an advisory telling citizens to reconsider travel to bermuda, if there is any travel going that direction. how are they preparing there? >> reporter: peter, they're doing the best they can. this is an island, of course,

that is used to having to deal with hurricanes, but it doesn't get hit as predominantly as the caribbean or as louisiana would, those states in the gulf. it's for that reason we've seen folks here sandbagging low-lying areas, covering up those windows as we expect gale-force winds tonight into the early morning hours. that's when fiona is expected to sideswipe bermuda as it passes by to the west. it could still be a serious situation here. there is a hurricane warning in full effect. we are starting to feel the winds start to pick up here. the minister of national defense is urging everyone to please seek shelter and do not take this storm lightly. this island took a double hit back in 2014 when it suffered from hurricanes fay and gonzalo within a one-week time span. the memory of that still very fresh here and that's why nobody here is taking this lightly, even though bermuda is not on a direct path to get hit by fiona.

it can still cause considerable damage. >> yeah, morgan, you look at that intensification over the last 48 hours or so and this storm is still on its way north. bill, that's why we bring you here to give us a sense of who's most at risk here and how bad this could be for the folks in newfoundland and that area north in canada. >> there's a chance this could be the strongest storm ever to strike canada. you hear that, you're like, whoa, they have had hurricanes before. but the pressure on this when it makes landfall or approaches nova scotia could be the lowest ever recorded in canadian history and that would mean that the winds will probably be the strongest ever recorded from a tropical or extra tropical storm in the canadian maritime. so this will be a very -- they have two days to prepare and on saturday is when the storm will do its worst damage through the canadian maritimes. 130-mile-per-hour winds. bermuda is not a direct hit. there's some tropical storm force winds and max gusts at 60

to 80 miles an hour but bermuda is built for that so they'll be fine of the then we'll take this thing northward. we already have rip current advisories and warnings along some of our southeastern beaches. those large waves will arrive today and tomorrow throughout the mid-atlantic and up through the northeast. anyone with any interest on the beaches be prepared for very large waves. the water is very dangerous with rip currents. as far as our friends go, it looks like saturday morning this will become an extra tropical system so a post tropical cyclone. it will still be fiona but it's going to grow in size. there's going to be power outages for weeks in some areas. halifax will be on the weaker side of the storm. but this is where the highest winds will be and where we could have gusts upwards, 100, maybe 120-mile-per-hour winds. our wind forecast only goes out through saturday morning so tomorrow we'll have the updated one for the peak of the storm. but down east maine will have gusts in the 40 to

50-mile-per-hour range. maybe even down towards bar harbor. the other area of concern and we'll talk a lot about this this weekend into next week, this development zone here. right now it's not a storm. it's just beginning to form. it's too close to land right now. but by the weekend it could form over the warm waters of the central caribbean. all of our computer models show this becoming a big powerful storm, likely a hurricane next week. our american computer model has it near cancun, north of cozumel. and the europe al model has it near western cuba. as far as all of our spaghetti lines, we'll pay more attention to this once the actual storm forms. but you can see that path of uncertainty, even with the computer model. some through central cuba, others all the way through cancun. this is about an 800-mile wide area of air. that's why we're not telling anyone to prepare for this. you're watching but not reacting. you just want to make sure you have all your hurricane supplies -- you should have done it before the season but if you

haven't done it yet do it now before the shelves get empty and that includes everyone in florida, georgia, coastal areas, also louisiana. you notice that seven days from now, peter, the european computer model has it near florida, the american model near louisiana. so we're not going to focus on that at this time. we're still way too far away, at least a week, but this looks like trouble next week. >> we'll keep a close eye on that. morgan, thank you. stay safe there. bill karins, thanks for the update on those tracks. we appreciate it. the death of a 22-year-old woman from iran's kurdish region who was arrested by the morality police has sparked extraordinary scenes that we're seeing in iran of after she died in police custody, protests broke out at universities across the country and soon spread to the streets there. tehran bureau chief ali ruzey is

there. >> reporter: hey, peter, the numbers are difficult to be exact on. the protests are very wide. they have engulfed about 85 cities and towns across iran and there are pockets of about a thousand people in various places clashing with security forces. they have done this on purpose. so huge crowds of people aren't arrested in one place, which is what would happen before. but these are very serious protests. we haven't seen this sort of thing here in iran. we haven't seen protesters fighting back this harshly against the police, peter. the scenes over the last few been extraordinarily violent across iran. and the difference here also is that this has started and it still is very much a women's movement against the compulsory head scarf and other social issues that have been very aggravating to younger iranians for many years. it's going to be very, very

difficult to clear up. because of that now, the police forces, the secure, the entire apparatus is cracking down very hard. they're sending out a lot more police, roll crackdowns in all cities throughout the country. they're firing on protesters. they're beat them with batons but the protesters are feegt back. this morning state tv on their main bulletin said that so far in the unrest, about 17 people have been killed. they didn't specify if they were protesters or security forces, but they did mention that three militia members who are under the wing of the rgc were stabbed to death by protesters. so things are escalating. the feeling is, peter, that there may be an all-out internet blackout coming soon. if that happens, that means the crackdown is going to be terrifying in the country. the judiciary here has also told the police force, prosecutors, to arrest people quickly and hand down long and harsh sentences very quickly.

so the atmosphere here is very tense and it's not clear what direction it's going to go in the coming days. >> yeah, early in this hour, ali, we were talking about the societal resistance in russia. there's another example in a different part of the world. we appreciate your reporting from there. next reporting from there, and up next on msnbc, alex jones is testifying in a connecticut courtroom in lawsuit filed from sandy hook families and what the conspearist theorist is saying under oath. under oath. but asthma has taken enough. so i go triple... with trelegy. with 3 medicines in 1 inhaler,... it's the only once-daily treatment for adults that takes triple action against asthma symptoms. trelegy helps make breathing easier,... improves lung function,... and lasts for 24 hours. go triple... go trelegy. because asthma has taken enough. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler...

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today? >> well, we are hearing it. and he is contentious on the stand, and it is day seven as a witness, and the attorney representing eight families and and fbi agent who is suing in the case, and he is being asked if it is a marketing tool. he was evasive on that, and asked whether or not he is mocking the court and the judge specifically. take a listen. >> is this the tyrant that you have been telling audience about, right? >> i believe -- >> mr. jones? >> yes. >> i don't know. >> this picture right here, that is the judge right there and lasers coming out of her eyes, right? >> yes. >> that is who you refer to as a tyrant, right? >> yes. >> jones went on the say that he thought that the situation, and the trial that is going on here, and that that he thought that it

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