hey, everybody. good to be with you. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for katy tur. former president trump dealing with back-to-back legal troubles and we're going to get into the latest. u.s. district judge aileen cannon has amended her order appointing a special master to comply with a ruling from a federal appeals court. a three-judge panel of the u.s. court of appeals for the 11th circuit ruled in favor of the d.o.j., granting them access to classified documents that were seized at the former president's mar-a-lago residence. they issued a harsh rejection of both trump's legal argument and judge cannon's ruling. remember, federal prosecutors argued that quote the district court likely erred in exercising its jurisdiction, when judge cannon ruled the classified documents were offlimits. while awaiting a special master review. it is simple. a two word response. the court of appeals saying we agree. the appeals court forcefully rejected the former president's

argument that he declassified documents as president. writing in part this, the record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified. but even without evidence, the former president continuing to make this claim. in an inteiew, just last night, the fox news host sean hannity claiming he declassified documents by simply thinking about it. >> it doesn't have to be a process, as i understand it. you know, there's different people said there are different things but as i understand, there doesn't have to be the president. you're the president of the united states, you can declassify by saying it's declassified, by thinking about, it because you're sending it to mar-a-lago or wherever you're sending it. >> but the headline here is, really none of that matters, right, as the 11th district writes this, in any event, at least for these purposes, the declassification argument is a red herring because declassifying an official document would not change its content or render it personal. let's talk more about this,

listening now, msnbc intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, national reporter for the "washington post," carol leonig, and msnbc contributor as well, ken, let me start with you on this one. and kinds of give us really the abcs of access to this whole thing, right? what does this mean going forward when it comes to accessing the classified documents that the d.o.j. was gunning for and making sure they can continue their investigation. are they already looking at them? >> good afternoon, so the justice department always maintained control of the documents. and they have been in the court filings that they were storing them in a special facility districted for highly classified -- designated for highly classified materials and some copies have been shared with intelligence agencies as of the damage assessment. and what the judge ruled is the fbi had to stop using the documents in the criminal investigation. she wanted these documents to be reviewed by the special master first, and this appeals court ruling blocks that part of her

order, so yes, the fbi agents on this case got access to those documents last night, when the order was issued and it is worth noting, as you did, that this three-judge appeals panel, including two judges appointed by donald trump completely repudiated the judge on nearly every conclusion of law she reached. it was a total smackdown, she had no right to interfere in the criminal investigation and trump did not qualify for the unusual treatment she gave him and no reason to question as you mentioned whether these documents are classified and donald trump provide nod evidence he declassified them and the appeals court said there is a public interest in the fbi being able to continue the criminal investigation using the classified documents. their order only applies to the classified documents because that's all the d.o.j. asked them to look at. but the tenor of the ruling makes it seem that they would have blocked the entire special master process, if the d.o.j. had asked them to do that. >> so as ken is talking about, essentially the 11th circuit

repudiating much of what judge can-to say. i want to read for folks a little bit of the ruling from the 11th circuit to understand just how far they went in saying this. consequently, the united states is substantiallilikely to succeed in showing that the district court abused its discretion in exercising jurisdiction over plaintiff's motion as it concerns the classified documents. talk to me about including this in this decision, and is this one of the reasons why judge cannon amended her ruling so quickly after we heard from the 11th circuit? >> yes, yasmin, ken gave voice to precisely what i thought when i read this opinion. it's a smackdown. when you have a district court judge who is told by a unanimous three-judge panel of the appellate court, two of whom are

trump appointees, unfortunately in this day and age, that's relevant, and when you have a unanimous decision from the appellate court judge that said, you know, you didn't just get some evidentiary ruling wrong. you abused your discretion in exercising the court's jurisdiction as it pertains to these classified documents. i mean translated into english, it's the appellate court saying you're really not very good at this judging thing. but you know, the two most important take-aways as i see it, one, the appellate court handled this at light speed just one day after trump's team filed what i think was a 40-page reply. they immediately rejected that. and the fact that there were two trump appointees and one nontrump appointee, i think they were unanimous, that should give us a little bit of an enhanced confidence in the fairness and the independence of the federal judiciary. >> were you at all surprised by the quickness to which the

appeals court replied with their decision and also the amendment from judge cannon? >> i was pleasantly surprised at how quickly this three-judge panel resolved this issue. they obviously appreciate the national security implications. and the need to move out on the criminal investigation. i also wasn't surprised by judge cannon's amendment because she is doing now what she has been instructed to do by the appellate court. >> carol, talk to me, because this is putting it lightly, the former president has had quite a couple of days, just a real avalanche of bad news, for him, and his legal team as well. how do you see them proceeding here? >> well, i mean it's a mess, as they say. you know, just as if appellate court, this panel, of three

judges, was writing a very rapid 29-page rebuttal of the judge's decision, judge cannon, as they were writing that and getting that prepared to file, in the electronic recording and release it, donald trump was learning that there was an argument that he had essentially gotten $250 million in ill-gotten gains by fraudulently describing the value of his properties and club, and that in new york, the attorney general had, after a very lengthy investigation, sort of laid out the receipts of all of the ways in which he had and his team had and his children had misdescribed and lied about the value of things over and over again, lies, i mean it was inflated, when it benefitted them with getting a bank loan, and deflated it when it helped them avoid taxes. that's a really simple version of this, yasmin. but i would also say that there

can be nothing more devastating than this 29-page rebuttal, because the criminal investigation in mar-a-lago is pretty far along. not too nuanced as many sources have told me, and it is a pretty straight-up case, and when you have an appellate judge say, okay, number one, we can't interrupt a criminal investigation, number two, classified records are records that the government owns, and donald trump doesn't have any right to them, much less any claim without any evidence that he declassified them because it doesn't matter and third, they basically find that the judge has no reason in the world to keep the government from making the assessment it needs to make about the damage to national security. in every way in which, in every way, in which this judicial panel could rule, they ruled in ways that bodes very poorly for trump. not just today, on this win or lose, but bodes very poorly for how his team has handled this case, and defended him, or not

defended him, against the charges they possibly obstructed justice, that he possibly, or he and his team possibly concealed and willfully retained classified national defense information that he has no business holding on to. >> i think it was an incredibly fascinating 72 hours or so, and that's aside from of course what we heard from the attorney general letitia james, i'm talking about tuesday, essentially, when the judge challenged the trump attorneys to bring me the evidence, present the defense that the former president actually declassified all of these documents. and then you have trump, on hannity, last night, going so far as to say publicly, that he can declassify documents which i said at the top of the show, just by thinking. >> yeah, there's no, to use the words of the journal panel from the 11th circuit, there is no binding precedent about like

telegraphing that you're declassifying information. now i will give donald trump this. there have been instances where presidents have, you know, with the flick of a wrist essentially said i am authorizing this person access to this information that is above their classification level, i am reducing this level of classification so that so-and-so can see it. there have been instances with that. but when donald trump said the other day, i declassified everything, i thought to myself, really? because that would be beyond bizarre. not only did he say he could declassify by thinking it, but he said effectively, i did declassify everything. what is the everything you declassified? declassified things that keep our government and our nation safe? i would like to know more about that. >> and yet, his attorneys refused to present this as a defense to do just that when

challenged. thank you. so on top of these mounting legal setbacks for the former president, a new witness has agreed to speak with the january 6th committee. a source close to the matter telling nbc news that ginnie thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas has agreed to meet with the committee about her alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election. joining me now from capitol hill is nbc's ali vitali, great to see you, my friend, when is this going to happen? >> a great question. that's the one that we are asking. my sources have told me in the coming weeks. that means they have any number of time that they can, before they speak with ginnie thomas, but they come back into the public spotlight a week from now, wednesday at 1:00 p.m., is what we were told yesterday, officially when public hearings from the january 6th committee kick back off, it is unclear whether they will speak to ginni thomas before then, but many of the things they want to talk to thomas about are things that the committee has already presented. things like the fake electors scheme that she was allegedly a

part of, and sending emails about. conversations that she was having with one of the chief architects of how they could overturn the election results, john eastman, so all of these things that they want to speak to ginni thomas about are things that the committee already has a lot of information about, and they're hoping that they can get a little more light shed on them by speaking with ginni thomas. these are conversations that have been going on for months now, and ultimately, now they're deciding a voluntary interview is what the two sides could agree on. >> ali, i also want to talk about some efforts under way in the senate, in the past, the election security act, separate from the house bill that just passed, what are we learning now? >> separate but very similar. >> got it. >> and the places where they're similar that are going to be important, and the ways that they reconcile their differences that we're really watching out for. look, on the senate side, this is the result of a months long effort on election reform, bipartisan fashion, they now have the 11 republican senators

saying they will vote for it, meaning that they should be able to clear that very critical 60 vote threshold. what is being hammered out now is the ways that they can make these bills look the same, so that those numbers on the senate side stay static and they actually can still pass it. there are some key differences between what the house passed yesterday, and what the senate will eventually move on. and those are the conversations that are being had now, for example, between senator amy klobuchar and the democratic sponsor that is still on the house side, zoe lofgren, those conversations are still ongoing, but people at the center of them who i talked to say they're optimistic that they're going to be able to find consensus on this, and actually pass them. and look, this is actually one of the main outflows of the january 6th committee's work. it's not by accident that the two house members who are putting this legislation forward are the vice chair of the january 6th committee liz cheney and one of her counterpart members, zoe lofgren, this is something to expect to see more of in the interim and final reports but certainly this is one of the key legislative outputs here.

>> it is fascinating, just to double back a little bit as you mentioned, zoe lofgren, it jogged me, an interview a couple of months ago and ginni thomas was coming to the surface and doubling back to the thomas news, and asked me whether they wanted testimony from thomas, and at the time they weren't interested and it shows as things are surfacing how this investigation is really developing. >> things changing incredibly fast. >> as always, thank you. i want to bring in now white house reporter for "politico," and msnbc contributor as well. let's talk ginni thomas for a moment if we can. i want it read for you a part of the letter to ginni thomas from the january 6th committee, honing in on and specifically it is the conversation, and writing this, we're specifically investigating the activities of president trump, john eastman, and others, as they relate to the constitution, and certain other laws, including the

electoral counteract that set off the required process for the election and inauguration of the president. the select committee has obtained evidence that john eastman worked to develop alternate slates of electors to stop the electoral count back in january. talk to me if you can about this development, when asked now about, this confirmation with ginni thomas and the fact that she will be meeting with the january 6th committee, and the connection to eastman. >> so, as ali said, this is something that they have been wanting for months. a conversation with ginni thomas and it started when these text messages, from mark meadows, then chief of staff for donald trump, we saw that she was texting with him, talking about, you know, basically overturning the role of the people and stealing the election. and then about the conduct that she had been possibly having conversations with john eastman, about this scheme, essentially, to have these false slate of

electors come and they would be who were sent to washington, d.c., to vote in favor of donald trump. that is not something that has ever happened, that is not how the process works, and while he was pushing also mike pence, john eastman was, to overturn the will of the people, and kind of say, you know, no, i'm only accepting this slate of electors. again, nothing something that worked. again, not something that worked. the last line of defense for them. and having ginni thomas, someone who had extreme access to the people that were very involved in this process, it is really important. and to hear what she has to say, and they have been talking about these kind of things, we've seen in every one of these hearings, all of these coverages, and as soon as someone hears something new, chairman bennie thompson has said over and over, they are willing to continue to follow this where it leads. this is possibly running out of time with the election coming,

and any possibility that the house is going to flip. but ginni thomas is someone who above all else is also the wife of a supreme court justice, and i think the question about how much, they say they don't talk about his work, right? they say there is a wall between that, and their relationship, but that is something that a lot of people have questions about, and i would not be surprised if it came up. and i will say that the thing that is really interesting about ginni thomas, it's a reminder that almost anyone can kind of be tricked into believing these kind of things. they can be tricked into believing and spreading these lies, and trying to overturn the will of the people. it is kind of a stereotype in dc about who wanted to overturn the will of the people, and this is someone who is educated, has been around for a very long time, and is the wife of a supreme court justice, at the top echelon of people and yet she was still pushing for something that, to overturn the will of the people. i think that is really key there. >> really good point.

eugene daniel, thank you. still ahead, everybody, inside the lawsuit facing the former president, his business and children. and after surviving two impeachments, could this be the case that renders the most damage to donald trump? and putin's military push. the russian president escalating a war in ukraine and setting up a mass ex knit his own country. up next, an exclusive interview from alejandro mayorkas and what the secretary had to say about the wave of gop migrant flights sent to plu states. we'll be right back. states we'll be right back. hey dad, i'm almost out. i got you. any questions, chris? all good, thanks maura! there you go, one new inhaler! nice did you get my refill too? maybe [door bell] here you go, sir.

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prevent the policy conflict from becoming a full-blown crisis at the border, and what secretary mayorkas had to say to you. >> yes, it is already a full-blown crisis at the border, and it is a humanitarian crisis at the border. i'm here on the texas side. that's the rio grande. which is really kind of dwindled down in volume and strength. new mexico, and this is mexico right here. and just to give you an idea of the level, and we're talking about the humanitarian crisis, just a month ago a 5-year-old girl drowned right here. yesterday, i was speaking with some u.s. officials who told me that on the mexican side, they're finding more and more bodies. the mexican officials are. including just last week, another little girl that was maybe four to six years of age. just right here. and this is being repeated over and over again, throughout our

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>> when we work in coordination with one another, we address the situation ablebly and effectively. when a governor acts unilaterally, and refuses to coordinate with other government officials, that is when problems arise. and that is when we deplore political stuntsmanship when we're dealing with the lives of vulnerable individuals. >> lives of vulnerable individuals, like 19-year-old dules, who told me however they can get to other places, they appreciate that. >> you're grateful. >> grateful. >> i have no money. i have no money. my dreams actually have started to come true. >> and those dreams are come can

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the u.n. charter, for the general assembly, and for this council. the very international order that we have gathered here to uphold is being shredded before our eyes. we cannot, we will not allow president putin to get away with it. >> let's talk about this. joining me now former adviser to president zelenskyy, and michael crowley of "the new york times" as well, they both addressed the u.s. security council, however lavrov left the room when secretary blinken was actually speaking. what does that say to you? >> well, russia lass shown very little interest in what the u.s. has had to say and the actual diplomacy between the u.s. in particular and moscow has essentially ground to a halt. i was actually with secretary drinken in mid february when he had last -- blinken in mid february when he had a meeting

and a last ditch effort to heads off the war and there were talks there that u.s. officials say that was essentially a sham that, the decision had been made in moscow to go to war. they had not contact since they were in the same place but they are basically not talking and it speaks to the fact that no one sees an end game here, president putin is doubling down, how does the war end? maybe through diplomacy but there is no diplomacy here now. >> and the ukrainians are making incredible advances inside ukraine. something that nobody could predict and nobody could predict in fact at the beginning of this war. that being said, you've got lavrov saying in his address that ukraine is a completely toe tall yarn nazi-like state. compare that to the president receiving a standing ovation. do you feel the support, do the ukrainians feel the support that they are receiving with the images that we've seen? >> we are feeling the support

from the global community. and we appreciate it. and i mean i'm not going to push back on the comments on the whole nazi narrative, i think russia is living in a delusional reality of their own, and they're making it up as they go along, so that is not important, but we are making sizable progress now, and to be honest, one of the things that irritated russian general for example yesterday, was our reaction to the announcement that they had the immobilization, so they expected us to be scared, and to go running, crying to our mamas, but instead, ukrainians actually laughed at that. and i think this is what is going on, it is not about the number of wars on the battlefield, it is about the unity of those fighting evil. and you know, what is going on that front. >> let's talk more about that, igor, if we can for a moment, the idea that president putin is mobilizing more troops and making this nuclear threat, a threat he had made at the beginning of the war and

everybody took seriously and certainly some analysis about that talk in the beginning saying there was a possibility, a strong possibility that president putin was bluffing. this time around, he is saying in fact, outright, he's not bluffing. but when you talk about ukrainians inside the country, are they fearful of these threats, of this mobilization, specifically when it comes to the nuclear threat, what is the reaction? >> well, the reaction to a nuclear threat is the same as it was six months ago, i mean it is a threat, and we have to live with it, and it could happen at any moment. now for the specifics, to be honest, i'm quite skeptical about the tactical and strategic nuclear weapons at this point, for a number of reasons. but i think the threat that he's referring to is a threat that could describing one of our power plants or multiple nuclear plants in ukraine and he specifically refers to changing windows in his speech, and that means he might be using an opportunity to, you know, with the wind blowing toward europe,

and towards nato members, to actually create a catastrophe in ukraine. now that's the genuine possibility. now whether the mobilization and the nuclear threats are his way of escalating to de-escalate, so it is move towards the end game, or you know, it's a phase of the war that remains to be seen, i think we will know the answer to that within the coming weeks. >> michael, let's talk about the protest a little bit, right? we know it happens in authoritarian regimes, we've seen it in iran and russia, and the narrative at the beginning of the war was, if they see dead soldiers coming home, it will rise up against vladimir putin and in fact support, with doubling down, and you are seeing protests happening on a small scale. what should we make of ha? is there any possibility it could affect change under a regime like vladimir putin. >> i would say there is always

the possibility. the protests against vladimir putin going back a decade is they spring up, people get excited, there are dramatic images, and the russian security service does a great job of smothering them. they don't lead to anything. we can't say for sure in anything in this case, the military situation is pretty bleak for russia right now, i think the russians have a steady propaganda, and the ukrainians are doing this and it may be muting some of the discontent from casualties and deaths on the front. and i would just say again, looking back at the recent history we've had, protests flare up from time to time in russian cities, and they just don't go anywhere, and i would just say, based on that past, i wouldn't expect these to go any farth ever. however, it is a bad situation, we haven't seen things quite so

tenuous for president putin until now. so i wouldn't foreclose the possibility all together. >> thank you. >> igor, thank you as well. and please continue to stay safe. we appreciate you. coming up, everybody, new sanctions and widespread protests in iran, after a young woman dies in police custody. we will talk about it, and go to tehran for a report on. that plus, the latest on the new civil litigation facing the former president, his children and his company. the large scale fraud he is being accused of, and how it is far different than his own legal problems. we'll be right back.

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stocks opening this morning in the red, after a major decline in averages, after the fed's announcement yesterday, and the hikes aren't expected to stop. officials saying they will continue until a terminal rate or figure of 4.6% is reached in 2023. all right, we want to get back to the new york ag's civil suit against donald trump. just how bad could it be for the former president? well, this lawyer, michael cohen, he predicted a fraud investigation into the trump businesses, and it could finally mean his downfall. >> it's that documentation which nobody has ever had before, and he never would have given it, that ultimately sparked this and sent this into the investigation that's going to ultimately terminate the trump organization, donald, don jr., ivanka, avg, weisselberg, the rest of them, it will put an end

to it. >> you believe that. >> i believe so. >> and joining me the professor at new york school of law and former manhattan district attorney, and welcome to you both. appreciate you joining us. and by the way, it is the testimony that the attorney general cited, that sparked the initial investigation which i find fascinating. rebecca, when it comes to this lawsuit, it has to be proved fraud by a preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt as she would have to in a criminal case. what do you make of it? >> well, think this is a really strong complaint. it's detailed. it's extensive. it looks like she is relying a great deal on documentary evidence, which is a god send for anybody who is trying to bring a case like this. you know, that said, there are some difficulties in this case. as we've known from the very

beginning, which is that she'll still need to prove, even if it is by a preponderance of the evidence, that the organization, that the family members, tried to defeat, they had an intent to deceive and that these banks and regulators relied on that deception and the former president and his family members are going to claim, this is industry standard, this is the way that things are conducted in the real estate business, and while that's not seemingly such a great defense, it does make it such that it's, you know, it is a little bit harder to prove every single one of those elements. >> david, you wrote the book, "servants of the dammed," giant law firms, donald trump and the corruption of justice, and you know intimately the many allegations towards the former president, and walk us through some of the allegations that we heard yesterday from attorney general letitia james.

>> well, i mean it's pretty simple at its base level. it's that trump repeatedly, and deliberately used exaggerated evidence of his assets, values of his assets, and the amount of money that he was making off of them to trick banks like deutsche bank and others to lend him tons of money, at very favorable interest rates, and that's the crux of it, really. and the question i think, is really whether there's going to be evidence that deutsche bank, which was the biggest, which is the biggest lender, was really, you know, obviously, they were getting information that was very rosy, and did that actually affect their decision to lend him money at the rates that they did or not? and i think there's a lot of evidence which maybe what is not going to make viewers happy, but the reality is, knowing full well trump's replication for exaggeration, and it was industry standard, and it is also trump standard.

and so i know, internally at the bank, there are a lot of people who have taken his numbers with a grain of salt, and who, going through the ag's complaint, in detail today, there's, you know, it is evidence actually that supports that, it becomes quite clear, that this is, the financials that trump was presenting, were, you know, people had to recognize that he was hyping it. >> rebecca, what do you make of this idea that we just talked about that trump actually knew he was misleading them and he was lying about the valuation of his assets and seeking out millions and millions of dollars in loans possibly? >> right, i mean that's going to be a critical question in this case, if it goes to trial, because any kind of fraud, you need an intent to deceive, you need there to have been somebody who relied on that deception to his or her advantage and it that is the question whether deutsche bank or any of regulators

believed these numbers, it is going to be a remaining question in the case. again, i think the fact that the standard is a preponderance of evidence, and the fact that he pleaded the fifth, which in a civil case, if you remember, he pleaded the fifth during the depositions, in a civil case, the jury can draw an adverse inference from that fact, so i think that too gives her an upper hand in the case, but it's not as simple as it looks. the allegations are damning. the details are damming. but the question of whether or not, you know, she can actually prove this, and obtain the, all of the damages, or sorry what she is looking for is another question. >> do you think it will go to trial? >> i mean i don't know. i think that both parties have an incentive to settle this. i also, i mean one thing that i think is important to keep in mind, is these things don't settle overnight. they take a really long time. there are motions, there are you

know, a whole lot of proceedings that can go on for a very long time, and as we know, the former president is a master at delay, so it is not, you know, whatever is going to happen in this case, whether it is a trial or a settlement, it might be very, very far into the future. >> and then david, if you could, quickly, this defense repeatedly that is used for the former president, and it is, everything is doing it, the wealthy, in new york, the real estate magnates, everyone is doing it. >> there is some truth to it and there is especially truth to it when your name is trump and he had this very well deserved, very long-standing reputation for being an exaggerator and someone who was a serial assembler of his own finances, whether it is banks or forbes magazine or anything else and i think leaning on that argument, i think the counter-argument to that is that the bank did rely on it and in some ways, the interest rates that they were offering him, so i think, and

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take me there. what's going on. what are you seeing there? >> well, for the last six days, there's been turmoil in this country. it was all sparked by the death of the woman that you mentioned, and it touched a raw nerve here. and these are publicly some of the most violent protests we've ever seen in iran in the last 43 years. and it is also a really seminal moment for the islamic republic. you know more than most, it is hard to overstate what an important movement this is, women taking their hijab off, one of the biggest pillars of the islamic republic and one of the important symbols and they enforced it very strictly for 43 years, but all of a sudden, you're seeing women now, in the streets of iran, taking off their hijabs, shaving their hairs and this is causing a serious problem for the ruling establishment here. and they're cracking down hard, i might add. they tolerated it for a day or

two but now you're seeing the besieged militia, the riot police in full force on the street and now the judiciary are coming down hard as well, they're issuing statements saying that prosecutors have to deal with what they call rioters very quickly, and hand out jail sentences, to bring calm back to the streets, but it still hasn't come back, and just on the way to the bureau here, and seeing five or 600, very ordinary people, a lot of men, women, with their daughters, walking towards the north of tehran, most of the women not wearing head scarves, despite this massive, massive security presence across the country. and there are about 83, 85 cities and towns that are now engulfed in protests. but as the protests gets bigger, as the violence increases, so does the crackdown. the more pushback from the protesters on the street, the harder the security forces will zeal with them and it is just very difficult to predict right now how this will all end, and

even when it all is going to end. >> unbelievable to see these images and to remember the risk these people are taking, to show up and protest the way they are in the streets. ali, thank you. that does it for me today, everybody. i'll be back in the chair tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. along with the weekend show from 2:00 to 4:00 p.m. as well. hallie jackson picks up coverage next. llie jackson picks up covee next ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm still riding toward what's next. even with higher stroke risk due to afib ♪ ♪ not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin... that's a trail i want to take.

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as we are coming on the air, some republican senators breaking ranks with former president trump, as he claims just the thought of declassification does the trick. it does not. as the justice department is diving back into 100 classified documents a florida judge had put offlimits. plus, the brand new filing from the special master just in this afternoon saying at the time line of this whole review, we will get into it. and new developments in a multiple investigation into january 6th, supreme court justice clarence thomas's wife ginni finally agreed to talk with the committee. and an alleged nazi sympathizer facing years in prison, a building he said he didn't know congress worked this. and a briefing for biden by fema officials. along with where fiona is headed