as we are coming on the air, some republican senators breaking ranks with former president trump, as he claims just the thought of declassification does the trick. it does not. as the justice department is diving back into 100 classified documents a florida judge had put offlimits. plus, the brand new filing from the special master just in this afternoon saying at the time line of this whole review, we will get into it. and new developments in a multiple investigation into january 6th, supreme court justice clarence thomas's wife ginni finally agreed to talk with the committee. and an alleged nazi sympathizer facing years in prison, a building he said he didn't know congress worked this. and a briefing for biden by fema officials. along with where fiona is headed next.

i want to bring in justice department ken dilanian, meredith mcgraw, and msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. ken, let me start you with. because the special mast ser out with a brand new filing laying out a fairly strict schedule and the process that he wants both parties to come to grips on basically. talk to us about what we're learning. >> that's right, hallie. first, he's giving, he's asking the fbi to certify that what they say they seized, that they're standing by that. it was a detail and exact list. and they are giving the trump team a chance to challenge items on the list that are inaccurate or things they say that were seized that aren't on the list. and then he is sending out a bunch of different categories of records that he is asking the trump folks to decide whether they're going to challenge on the grounds of attorney-client communication, and executive privilege, and whether the document is a presidential record, or whether it is a personal record. but hallie, all of this, i have to say, is a bit of a side show, because the most consequential

thing that happened, is that the appeals court is now saying that the fbi can use the 100 classified documents seized at mar-a-lago in their investigation, and that appears to me to be a thing that the d.o.j. really cares about. those documents will not be reviewed by the special master on the new appeals court ruling. the fbi has immediate access to them. and this other stuff, these other 11,000 documents that they seized at trump's office, and storage room may or may not be relevant to the investigation, but it's very clear the d.o.j. believes they can live with there special master review, and it looks like the timetable will extend through october, so that will delay their review of those documents a bit. but the important thing to them, i think is that they have the classified documents. >> that's right. they can look at it, they can do, continue the investigation at this point, and in a filing, in a ruling, ken, that was basically a full repudiation of what the original judge who was on this case had decided. >> total smackdown, hallie, i mean just open and shut, i mean this three-judge panel, two of

them appointed by president trump, completely repudiated all of the conclusions of law that judge cannon reached. they said that she abused her discretion. they said that, you know, when she questioned for example whether the sworn affidavit from the head of the fbi's couner intelligence division could be relied on when he said these are classified documents and we need them in our criminal investigation, they said that's ridiculous. essentially we the judicial branch defer to the executive branch when it comes to national security and classified documents. and they also say by the way, even though donald trump is saying he declassified these documents, there is no evidence that that happened. no assertion by trump's lawyers that that happened. and so they consider the documents to be highly classified. but they also said even if they declassified, if he declassified them, it wouldn't help the case in this particular question whether these documents should go before the special master. they essentially said that donald trump was not entitled to the deference that this judge gave him because the government acted properly and they have not

ruled in favor of the justice department. >> ken, thank you. let me turn to our analysts now and our friends of the show, and let me start you with, danny, if the former president appealed this ruling, that there would be the next highest court? >> there is only one next highest court and that is the supreme court of the united states and one might think that because the supreme court currently leads to the right, should trump have a friend should he appeal to the supreme court and maybe that is true but a number of the justices on the court are textualists and when you look at the 11th are circuit's very reasoned opinion, marching through each of the elements of each of the tests, this is kind of thing that you might predict that the supreme court justices might say the 11th circuit did a proper review, even if we look at the law with fresh eye de novo, they arrived at the correct conclusion after the tests. and that the initial search

wasn't aegregious and secondly trump had no individual interest in these documents. after applying that test, that's it. that's the end of it. and because the 11th circuit reasoned that out, in such detail, and in such a mechanical fashion, it's going to be difficult to get the supreme court interested in taking this on. and even hearing it. and if they do, they are likely, i would think, to allow it to stand. >> meredith, let me turn to you, because we are getting new reaction from capitol hill this afternoon, from some republican senators, giving sort of their perspective on a claim that the former president made on tv overnight. here is the claim, i'm sure you've heard, it kind of the sound bite of the day today. let me play it. >> it doesn't have to be a process, as i understand it, that there's different people saying different things but as i understand it, there doesn't have to be, you're the president of the united states, you can declassify by just saying it is declassified even by thinking about it. >> even just by thinking about

it. clearly that is not the case. and you heard for example from senator thune, there is a process for declassifying documents, he said it ought to be adhered to and followed and that should apply to anybody who deals with classified information. and senator tilles says there is a formal process to go through, et cetera. explain why it is important for former president trump to have his base believe that just thinking it can be declassified to be true. >> and the former president and his allies have leaned on this whole case as it unfolded and that the president, that he had the capability to almost wave a magic wound and declare all of these papers that came down into mar-a-lago as declassified but it is something we have heard repeatedly from people in law enforcement, those who deal regularly with declassified documents, there is a very tight system for declassifying things that deals with the intelligence community, that deals with the federal government, that zeals with, you know, these -- that deals with, you know, these

potentially state secrets that are so closely held for a reason. and while trump would like to, his base to believe that he can do that by simply just not, not the way it has been done and something that the judge dearie has challenged as well. when he said you can't have your cake and eat it too, what he is saying you can't claim tat documents are classified and the lawyers have yet to provide evidence that that this is happened. >> this by the way is not the only legal issue that donald trump faces here, the investigation of the classified documents, and we're one day out of the filing of the unprecedented lawsuit from the new york attorney general against mr. trump and his adult children and his businesses. what is the conversation among his lawyers today, 3:00 eastern time, 12:07, pacific, are they focused on a trial or a path forward to settlement. what would do you if you're in their seats? >> first focus on reading the 200 pages of the complaint which

is taking a lot of people at least a day, me included, but beyond that, they're thinking if you're just playing the odds, ultimately this case ends with a settlement. statistically, virtually every civil case ends in settlement. very few of them go to trial. and that's because, neither side is comfortable with the risk at trial, a coin flip that you're giving to a jury of folks, of complete strangers to decide a case like this, that involves millions upon millions of dollars. and that's why most civil cases settle. so long term strategy is probably that. going to trial here, where there are a lot of things that they would be concerned about, and i think that is third on the list. first and for most are the referrals to the department of justice and the irs, those are more concerning and even the potential damages in the civil case, trump world could maybe live with those. it is the potential criminal consequences that they're likely more concerned about now. and i say though, meaning the legal team, not that trump is

necessarily concerned about anything. >> and the court of public opinion, meredith, we could also look at politically, you have this new piece out in "politico," with, you know, people living in spin land, talking about the political benefits potentially of these legal problems for donald trump. one republican strategist told you, all of these things are continued gifts for donald trump. where is the political vulnerability here for donald trump? if he loses these legal fights and gets branded as a loser, does that make a difference? >> well, you know, the former president who has been teasing of a potential 2024 run for quite some time now, and there is some benefit to doing so. for one, if he does run for president, there are some legal protections for him. and it simply just playing into his political brand. he's made these grievances a big part of the ram rallying cry for his base. as he said repeatedly that he is the subject of a witch hunt, that he is targeted politically

by law enforcement in all of these cases. and what we've seen in polling and in surveys of republican voters is the loyalty among them has basically stayed the same throughout all of it. he really has consolidated the base more or less throughout all of these legal troubles, and i think that's a big part because his talk of being targeted is something that they believe is a big part of his brand. >> meredith mcgraw from "politico," danny cevallos, msnbc legal analyst, thank you very much. and new developments in the january 6th investigation in congress, with nbc news, confirming ginni thomas will meet with the select committee sometime in the next few weeks. she's an activist and wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. when this meeting will happen, tbd. but if you look at the graphic, we know the date and time of the next hearing, wednesday, 1:00

eastern, lunchtime-ish. just about a month before the midterms. there goes danny. and the january 5th rioter who dressed as adolph hitter sentenced to four years in prison saying this guy straight up lied on the stand when he said he didn't know congress met at the capitol building. i want to bring in nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, and ryan riley. talk about what the committee hopes to hear from ginni thomas, there is a thread over the last several weeks, will they, won't they, will she, won't she, and there are those in the select committee who are intrigued by what she would tell them. talk to us about it. >> and it sounds like they all well at some point in the coming weeks. there is a question whether they will do that in time to wrap what ginni thomas tells them in the september 28th hearing. but nevertheless in that hearing, we expect to hear things from the committee that they have not told us while rehashing some of the things that the past hearings have given. when it comes to ginni thomas,

she can speak to. so themes that the committee has present and what they want to talk about her, the emails and text messages that they already have, and allegedly conversations she was having over text with people like mark meadow, the then chief of staff and conversations she was having with john eastman, the lawyer who was one of the chief architects for the plan on how the trump team could overturn the election results in congress. so her conversations with key players that the committee has already fleshed out for the american people, that's what they want to talk to her about. i do think it's important though, that we speak to the way in which this is happening, which is after months of back and forth, between thomas' legal team, and the january 6th committee, ultimately, this is something that they came to, that she is going to be there voluntarily, they were not willing to issue a subpoena, but at the same time, there's a wide array of issues, not just the conversations, but also emails that she may have sent in, involving the fake electors scheme that they clearly want more information from her about. >> thank you very much. i know you have a lot of work cut out ahead of you for the

next five days or so. ryan, take us inside the courtroom on the other side of the january 6th investigation which is a sentencing for a guy, because he is from jersey, he didn't know congress met in the capitol, which even he acknowledges, in his words, that it is id ottic, right? >> i will say for the record, that not only some not know that they meet in the capitol but nazi sympathy as well. the judge openly read the sentence of four years and that is below what the prosecutors had gone for six and a half years, there are a lot of technical reasons why the sentencing guideline got brought down bus but the judge gave him a little bit more, and that was a risible line that he told on the stan, that he doesn't know that congress met at the capitol. in fact, held himself out as a history buff, a student of american history, who was telling his friends about the details of the 17th amendment,

and talking about the electoral coming and how exactly that worked and even mentioned that he was outside of the house of representatives, to his roommates and this idea that he didn't know he was at the capitol, or he didn't know congress met at the capitol when he was storming the capitol was sort of ludicrous and the judge tossed that out there even though he did give ultimately prosecutors the entire degree, didn't give prosecutors entirely the term of what they wanted here, ali. >> thank you for being on top of it. inside, the new republican agenda as they meet with big names from trump world to figure out what their plan is, if they take back the house in november. we will tell you what they plan to do, and details behind the scenes. plus, oversees, protesters, arrested in russia, after vladimir putin called for more troops in ukraine. does that pressure actually have an impact? first though, bermuda, bracing for hurricane fiona as puerto rico struggles to get the lights back on and president biden meets with top fema

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for a lot of people, and in big cities, like san juan, they have their power back, but the rest of the island, places like this, they don't and if you look around here, you can see exactly why. all of this debris, a lot of it, we've watched as crews have worked to clear the roadway, so people can pass, but all of this is still here. power lines are down. and the debris that is still very much around the island is part of the problem. the power company says for why it is taking so long to get power back on for the majority of their customers. over 60% of this island is still without power. and the main power company here, at least the part of it is that is responsible for dealing with issues like this, they say that at times, their crew, they have over 2,000 utility workers on the ground here, but at times, their crews can't access their infrastructure they need to fix things like that because of roadways that are impossible to pass. people here, they are frustrated, they are hoping this will end soon. but with the heat rising, it's

like frankly scary for a lot of people. we were in a town not far from here and we were speaking to an older couple who were staying with their sisters because they had so much damage to their home from flood waters. they are older and they say as the temperature rises, they don't have running water and no cold water and ac at home, they're worried what it might mean for their health in the days to come. >> ellison, thank you. a new announcement from the mayor of new york city who plans to open new relief centers for the many migrants arriving there after being buses from texas and other states, and our colleagues speaking exclusive with the homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas about the humanitarian crisis and mayorkas with a sharp message to the republican governors who are putting these migrants on buses and planes with virtually no heads up to the officials in the cities they're headed to. >> when we work in coordination with one another, we address the

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up sometime this year. i want to bring in nbc news correspondent blayne alexander in atlanta for us. talk about sidney powell and where the investigation stands now. >> well, hallie, it signals that we are now squarely in the face of this investigation, where the d.a. wants to hear from people who are close to the former president. you know, when we kind of go through the list of people that she called before the fulton county grand jury, it includes georgia's alternate or so-called fake electors and includes a number of state officials, and those have already gone, and now we're looking to hear from people, the d.a. is looking to hear from people in her words who had close ties withthe former president, so a more standard part of the investigation. as to sidney powell, there are two things they will want to hear from sids ny powell and one will have to do with the hearings that took place before a number of georgia legislatures in the days immediately following the 2020 election and we know sidney powell played a

role in setting those up and that's when rudy giuliani game to georgia and cited a number of conspiracy theories about georgia's election and that's what the d.a. fani willis made clear she wants to ask about. and the georgia county being investigated for a data breach, and sidney powell hired companies to go down there and find information, get information, and we know the d.a. will want to ask her about it as well. the two things that she is going to want to ask sidney powell and it gives a look into the other lines of questioning that she is going to hope to present to other people, who are very lose to the former president's inner circle. i want to remind you of the time line here, hallie, you brought that up, the fact that you said she expects to be finished by the end of the year, at least the fact finding part and we've got about two weeks or so before people can start submitting absentee ballots here in the state of georgia and fani willis

has made it clear, that starting october 7th, when that happens, she is going to enter a so-called dark period and that means she is not going to issue subpoenas and not going to see any potential indictments or any activities once that begins. >> blayne alexander, live for us in atlanta, thank you. 47 days out from election day now, and house republicans are getting ready to roll out their new agenda, if they take back the house in the midterms. it is a wish list that could become a reality. what's on it? an antiabortion push, according to our reporting, a key part of it with another big focus on immigration, and also set to go to transgender rights by promising to in their words defend fair innocence women's sports. if you're wondering what the trump factor is here, look who moderated the private house meeting, former house speaker newt gingrich, a trump ally and former white house adviser kellyanne conway, joining me is political reporter, tell me what stands out to you. >> a couple of categories that stand out here. the first is what you might

consider the red meat for the conservative base. let's put that graphic back out on the television in terms of what they're talking about there, the issue of abortion, there's some language in this contract, or this commitment to america that they're talking about on protecting the life of the unborn, and they talk about transgender politics, suggesting that transshould be banned from sports, and talking about the southern border and confronting big tech, a common villain on the right. and a second category of issues that are designed to appeal outside their base, and what many might be an attempt to appeal to voters, cutting wasteful spending but that's very abstract and they don't say from a policy standpoint what they would do. and a section about increasing american competitiveness with china. and that is also unclear what they would do, and it is pretty odd, given most of the republican house caucus voted against the chips act which aims

to precisely that, a bipartisan bill that became law. the reality, hallie is, that overlap between what house republicans want it do and what president biden would sign into law is vanishingly small. these are wish list items that are highly unlikely to be law while president biden is president. and it is highly likely to slam the brakes on president biden's agenda if the house is changed to republicans. and raising the debt limit and basic functions of government that has to be done, which both parties have to be satisfied by. and we are likely to see a lot more investigations of the biden administration if it is house republicans who control the chamber, and hold the gavel and have subpoena power. and that's the difference between the messaging front and what we're likely to see if it is speaker kevin mccarthy rather than minority leader kevin mccarthy. >> live for us on the hill, thank you. next up here on the show,

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supporting ukraine. it comes as in russia, there are more protests after vladimir putin's call to escalate the wall by calling up hundreds of thousands of reserve troops and 1300 people have been detained in dozens of cities. i want to bring in nbc news correspondent erin mclaughlin and talk to us about what feels like an escalation from russia with a backdrop here at home with the u.n. security council confrontation. >> well, the ukrainian soldiers tell me that the russian president's decision to call up some 300,000 makes no difference to them. i was out with them today in a village, a couple of hours from where i am now, here in kharkiv, they were showing me a small ukrainian church, which had been bombed out, that the russians had transformed into a staging area, and field hospital, and it

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response to president putin calling up these reservists, one soldier today telling me that he actually feels sorry for the people of russia. take a listen. >> it is our good equipment, it is our good management, it is our good intelligence, just to save others, and our mothers, and it is actually sad for them, it is sad for the russian people. they will die for nothing. >> ukrainian soldiers telling me that the key difference between them and their russian soldiers is their commitment to the fight. they say that when they begin to encircle russian soldiers, the russian soldiers simply turn and flee. they don't know what they're fighting for. however, ukrainian soldiers know exactly what they're fighting for. they're fighting for their country. that being said, one soldier

telling me, given the equipment that they were able to seize in this surprise counter-offensive, without that element of surprise, they said that this fight would have been much more difficult. >> erin mclaugh lin live in ukraine, thank you. with russia escalating its war there, new questions now on whether that makes it harder for the americans detained in moscow. wnba player brittney griner is still being held in russia, paul whelan still there, too, ned price was asked about this with my colleague at msnbc chris jansing. >> does the escalation from putin push us further and further from reaching a deal for the return of paul whelan and brittney griner. >> we put forward a proposal to russia a number of weeks ago and we continue to urge them to take up this proposal, so that we can bring paul and brittany home, and reunite them with their families and their loved ones. >> price also said in the

relieve of trevor reed in the early time of the war, and the former u.s. marine freed from russia. nice to have you back. thanks for being with us this afternoon. >> thanks for having me. >> a lot to talk about here, let me start where we just left off right there, with brittney griner and paul whelan, i though you have told me it is your mission, now that you're brought home, to get them out, are you satisfied with what you've seen the white house do so far? >> it's hard to answer, that because obviously, there's a lot of stuff going on behind closed doors, but i can see that they're obviously very serious about trying to get paul and brittany back and they have reached out to the russians and put what appears to be a substantial offer on the table. so i hope the russians will take that. >> are you optimistic? i hear that you're hopeful. do you realistically think it could happen sometime soon? >> i think that it could, and i think that the escalation in ukraine, you know, may possibly not affect those negotiations.

so we have yesterday, i believe, two americans who were fighting in ukraine released by the russians, in a prisoner exchange, along with five british citizens, and multiple other, you know, foreign fighters, that are foreign volunteers in ukraine. so i think that that's also another good sign that although relations are bad between the united states and russia, they can maybe still work together to accomplish these types of exchanges for prisoners. >> you brought up those two americans who had been captured and you're right, the release was overnight. what is your message to them, as they work to get resettled now, as somebody who has been through, maybe not entirely similar but at least analogous. >> i would just suggest to them, that if they're offered a chance to go through post-isolation support, or reintegration

training with the military unit, or with a civilian agency, that they should take that opportunity, and participate. because that is going to help them to readjust and to come back. i'm sure what they went through as prisoners of war in russia is probably brutal, you know, i can't imagine what they went through there. >> well, you have had your own experience, obviously, in a russian prison, and i was curious as to your thoughts about something that foreign minister sergei lavrov said today at the united nations security council, and he talked about his concern for russian soldiers who are now in ukraine who are captured there. i want to play for you what he had to say. >> i'm also concerned about the fate of russian soldiers who were taken prisoners, there are very many examples of torture and violation of the

international humanitarian law. >> there is no evidence of that. somebody who has been in a russian prison, trevor, who has obviously had a lot of interaction with russian officials i was wondering how you see that comment from lavrov. >> that is probably, they did this in my case as well, so right before they committed to making that exchange, on all of their propaganda there on tv, they aired several different specials about how bad the u.s. prisons are. and what they're doing by making these claims, that their prisoners have been tortured, that they've been mistreated, they're preparing for those americans to come back to the u.s., and to tell people what happened in those russian prisons. so that's russia's way of trying to offset the horror that people are going to feel whenever they listen to those americans coming back. >> when you look at this moment more broadly, we talk about the protests that are happening now

russia, russians scrambling to get out of the country, buying flights to try to get over to finland, for example, how do you see this moment? and what do world leaders need to do? >> i think that that was to be expected. i think that, you know, local russian support for the war in ukraine is limited to probably, you know, painting on your car or posting something online, and as soon as they're confronted with the reality of being drafted into an army, which is frankly being slaughtered in ukraine, i think we're going to see the patriotism there, you know, come out and really see what kind patriotism the russian people actually have regarding that war in ukraine. so i'm not surprised by that. i think obviously because of just the pure number of troops that russia is going to muster now, due to those mobilizations, obviously, nato, the united

states, are going to have to immediately increase their military support to ukraine, with weapons, with intelligence, probably the quality of their weapons is going to need to immediately increase, to be able to offset those extra troops that russia is going to send. >> trevor reed, thank you so much, for being back on the show and for your perspective and of course your message to those captured americans, to brittney griner to paul whelan and so forth. thanks, trever. >> thank you. next up on the show, an msnbc news exclusive sparked by the gymnastics scandal, a new law to overhaul how the fbi handles child abuse cases. s. chay mind about these glasses. yeah, it happens. that's why visionworks gives you 100 days to change your mind. it's simple. anything else i can help you with? like what? visionworks. see the difference. ♪♪ hey dad, i'm almost out. i got you.

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mckayla maroney and her other teammates. >> they had, legal legitimate evidence of child abuse and did nothing. if they're not going to protect me, i want to know who are they trying to protect. >> you can see also happening now, a final house vote on a package of policing and public safety bills, which barely passed a procedural vote earlier today. i want to bring in nbc's ali rafa, who's joining us now on capitol hill. what can you tell us about these bills and what's next? >> we expect the house to take about another hour before finishing the votes on these four bills that are likely to pass, but as recently as this morning, there were some fears that this deal wouldn't be made, because of some progressive democrats that were really threatening to derail this whole deal and threatened -- actually delayed the vote by several hours. and it's been actually tough for democratic leadership to corral the votes to get this done.

this was on congress' to-do list before the august recess, but it was pushed back because of some opposition from people -- sorry, progressive democrats, as well as members of the black freedom caucus, who demanded more police accountability after the killing of george floyd at the hands of police in 2020. and they took issue with some parts of this bill, specifically representative gotheimer as part of this bill, which would provide more funding for police departments. there was subsequently a negotiation where there was a ratio determined for how much funding these police departments would get. and so, all in all, these bills would provide more funding for that, for more mental health resources, mental health officers and emergency responsiveness. it would also use community and fate-based programs to help reduce crime, and help police solve homicide cases with federal grants. so, all in all, this is likely to be a success, a huge victory

for democrats at the end of the day. and after all, this was seen as a sort of counter to gop messaging for vulnerable democrats in november midterm races, that were facing opposition from republicans, saying that they're soft on crime or pro-defunding police departments. and so, the real gut check here is that after this possibly passes, it obviously cannot go into effect unless it passes in the senate. there are still no plans for it to be taken up on the senate side, and if and when it is, it is unlikely to pass over there on the senate side, hallie. >> but it's certainly coming to a head in the house. of course, we've seen the vote is still open, given where some of these more progressive members have been. ali rafa, thank you so much for being live for us on capitol hill. right now in a courtroom in connecticut, alex jones is on the stand. he, of course, is the noted conspiracy theorist who lied and said the 2012 sandy hook school shooting was a hoax. he said that repeatedly. it obviously was not. he'll testify in a trial now

that will determine how much he should pay families of some of the victims. to be clear, this trial is not about whether or not jones lied and spread these conspiracy theories, he did that. he's already -- it's already been determined he did. it's about how much he owes these families for the harm that came from his lies. this feels a little like deja vu. you may remember back in august, just last month, a jury in a similar case over in texas ordered jones to pay millions in damages to the families of one of the victims. i want to bring in nbc news correspondent rahema ellis. obviously, this is happening not far from where the sandy hook shooting happened in the first place. tell us what we heard from jones so far, what we're seeing inside the courtroom. >> well, what we're seeing inside the courtroom is alex jones, who is being evasive, if you will, when he's asked on direct questioning from the attorney who is representing the families in this case, whether or not he's trying to monetize what's happening. and he says, in terms of different images, such as, an image of the judge with laser

eyes, as if she is the devil on his sight, if he did that, he says, well, i didn't do it. then the attorney says, well, you paid the people who did it. and he reluctantly admits that he did. he also was asked about, again, if he's monetizing all of this by spewing information about what he called a deep state conspiracy. and by using an image that calls the -- and he calls the judge a tyrant, and says that this is a kangaroo court. again, he's reluctant to admit that that's what he did, but on pressing from the attorney, he does reluctantly say that these are the things that he's been doing. and it's been a day in court, he's been on the stand all day. he's the first and only witness that's been called today. and at the beginning of this, hallie, it was interesting, because the judge made it very clear to him, before the jury was brought into the courtroom, that this was not going to be a radio show or television show

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hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. a major win in court for the justice department, adding to the mountain of legal trouble facing the disgraced ex-president. last night, a federal appeals court ruled that doj can have access to the classified documents that were seized in the search of donald trump's private residence last month. that decision came from a three-judge panel, by the way, two of the judges were appointed by donald trump and the ruling is a total and complete rebuke of a previous decision made by judge aileen cannon, that blocked prosecutors from using those classified documents in their criminal investigation until a review by an independent arbiter, the so-called special master is complete. this decision reads in part, quote, the united states