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line. today we return to our ongoing series focusing on the specific states in races where the outcome could put people in power who went up and the crucial american ideal of free and fair elections. today's edition takes us to pennsylvania, where the republican nominee for governor was at the capitol on january six, and he's openly declared his role in, as if elected, to interfere with election outcomes in his state. pennsylvania's attorney general and democratic nominee for governor, josh shapiro, joins me to talk about what's of stake in pennsylvania. i always fighting this battle, and why he will not share originate stage with his opponent. meanwhile, her dedication to truth and democracy is costing her a seat in congress. now, republican leader cheney, a republican contender, so she will campaign for democrats this year if that's what it takes to keep the election deniers from her own party. then, the numbers are scary. inflation is over a percent, the biggest interest rate hike in over 40 years.

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across russia. take a look at some of these places where you are seeing protests from -- in the west, to cities for four for the fighting, including siberia. several thousand people have been arrested at these protests, which are increasingly undertaken by women, since male demonstrators who are arrested are being served conscription papers while they're in custody. man of asia flee the country on the house, or lease attempting to. reports indicated simple reflection process. man of fighting age will not be allowed to leave. flights to russia in countries that don't require a visa like a median turkey are now impossible to get. land exits, including via georgia, kazakhstan, finland, and mongolia are experiencing serious backups. the line of cars that the russian border with georgia said to be more than 2300 cars long stretch of 48 miles. before the draft, the line is above 50 cars long. the line at the finish borders

also long, for now. finland, which a lot of sweden's set to join nato, and as it is closing its border to russian sometime in the coming days. the three baltic nations, estonia, lithuania, and lafayette, have already closed their borders to russians. meanwhile, as russia trying to flee their own country russian forces are holding a sham referendum in four regions of ukraine. luhansk,, cooperation orange -- you can see that they ultimately would create a land border all the way to crime area. none of these regions, these forward, jones are under russian control. all of them have major active battlefield fighting going on. now, voted in the sham referendum started on friday. it's going to go until tuesday, although tuesday stay remediated jury says that most of the voted will actually be done at police stations until tuesday. and now, election officials are taking ballots directly to people's homes. multiple reports say the so-called election workers are

being -- by russian soldiers wearing balaclavas and holding guns. that group stands watch to all citizens vote. the result of the so-called voting, the pro-russian authorities even bother to count the votes at all, will be announced after this five-day period. there's no need to wait that long. as russia holds these, only after deciding the malcolm first, look this rushed sham referendum is all about his justification for russia vladimir putin to expand this war, which is going very badly for his side. ukraine continues to regain ground in the northeast, and increasingly, all those slowly, even here in the south. especially around the key city of kherson. this is been held by russia since the early days of the war. this would be a major victory for ukraine, although ukraine is making minor progress land wise. they continue to suffer -- also, putin is now reporting not only direct battlefield

wars, but rejecting battlefield requests. including a request for his battlefield commanders to have an orderly withdrawal from the area in and around her son, so as not to repeat the robbery chaotic repeat from the northeast, in kharkiv and other cities, such as -- his zoom desire ukrainian officials have completed the excavation of a mass burial site which was discovered in a forest on the outskirts of that city. this is soon after the city took that territory. 477 bodies were recovered. 200 to -- 425 civilians, five children. many of the bodies were discovered with traces of torture, according to officials, including been found at the russ. joining me now is kirovske -- 's and members ukrainian parliament, the leader of the communist party. miss, rooted good to see you again. thanks for being with us. things have changed dramatically since the last time you and i have talked. there are people in ukraine watching these developments very closely, something that a

lot of people thought wouldn't happen is happening now. ukraine is taking territory can you tell me what you see. ,. . , are no believe will be on the counter offensive. now, we are here, we are doing it. our great soldiers, men and women are taking back ukrainian, freeing ukrainian people. it's important not only for ukrainians, for the morale but also to show the whole world the practical result of sending us weapons, money, putting sanctions in russia and showing his word. we can take our territories back. we can win this war. we are showing you exactly how

we are going to do this. give us more weapons, give us more money and we will take all of our territories back and we will win this for, and we will win this war soon. >> tell me what you make of what is going on in russia, both the push back against vladimir putin inside his country, the protests that are going on, the fact that modi of india and she jinping of china have both expressed concern boy china is doing, and the idea that they are conscripting more troops, we had 3000 all the way to 1 million. give me your evaluation of russia's response to what is happening in ukraine. >> so it is a good thing that putin made its announcement of the draft. because it will bring the word to every single russian family. the same way it brought the war to every single ukrainian family. still right now, instead of having ukrainians dying somewhere far away, russians will know that they will have to go to ukraine and die here. and i promise, they will die here. so, it will be the best push

for the protest inside the country, as we could ever imagine or wish for. because people are saying okay, now it is not our war. this will get the opposition to make putin stronger and this will give us the chance to having russia collapse, the soviet union collapse into many more states. this is our main strategy, main goal right now. otherwise, i cannot see this ending very well. regarding the sham referendum's, putin keeps wanting to show the upper hand to the rest of the world. and right now, he is trying to get anyone further into this war, saying we russian territories, he will probably try to use the nuclear doctrine and to protect those territories. people will be taking more and more. but the fact is, he is losing. he is desperately trying not to lose. and all of his actions right

now are on having very good faith in a very, very bad situation. >> how are things going in terms of morale in ukraine? obviously, this has now been going on for eight months. there is a period that looked dark, it did not look like ukrainians for retaking territory. what is the morale it like? what is happening right now with what seems to be a shift in the war? >> we know that we are facing one of the most complicated autumns and winters since the second world war. but we are extremely concerned about that. we are worried about how we are going to survive. however, the recent advances of the ukrainian army, something that gives us this second breath, this push, the motivation. because we know with the proper support, and with the proper marching forward, we will be able to gain our territories. not only territories, ali. it is all about people. can you even imagine how people

are liberated there feel? how they are hugging ukrainian soldiers, talking about the atrocities that were committed by russian soldiers. they only tell us please, act faster and stronger from the terrors they are under right now. we are using every single remaining power that is in our hands to make sure that we will liberate people, we will liberate our territories. we will regain what is ours. and we will live in a country that is peaceful, and is concentrating on rebuilding, and not pushing the aggressor. can you even imagine what it has been like, every single city that is liberated? people are finding mass graves there, every single city. with signs of torture, with signs of the terrors that have been committed to their. so when we are talking with you right now, there are some

people who are suffering these atrocities somewhere in the east and in the south. this is why we need to liberate them, as soon as possible. this will be a concentrated situation. we are very motivated. we know that there is a chance for us, we are using this chance. >> it does appear that there is a chance. kara riddick, thank you for joining us as always, we appreciate that, our hearts are with you. she's a member of ukrainian parliament of the hollis party. during the hours william taylor, the vice president of russia u.s. institute for peace, former united states ambassador for ukraine, ambassador taylor has recently turned mature tooting re-visited bucha irpin, hostomel and kyiv. thank you have being with us this morning. you just heard her talking about this, it's remarkable. you and i have been together throughout this whole war. we have heard the refrain of the russians and ukrainians. i think you and i both had a level of concern that this was an advantage for russia,

ukraine would not regain this advantage. are we not even thinking ukraine might have the advantage at this point? >> ali, we are not naive. just as miss rudik said, ukrainians to have the momentum, they have the men, the soldiers, the men and women in their army, totally motivated as she just described so well. so they have got the forces there. the united states and nato have been amazing in providing the weapons. slowly, they got off to a slow start, but now they are driving those weapons, and they are heavier weapons. again as miss riddick said, they started off small, these weapons. now they are heavy, long-range weapons, the ukrainians are using them to create advantage and the momentum is with the ukrainians at this point. so, the material, men and morale, that not just a military, but the morale of the people, of the ukrainian people. they want their freedom.

they want their territory back and they're not afraid to get it. ambassador, there is a range of what she was talking about with the mass graves that have been found outside of izium. there are a range of things that people call these things. some of them are atrocities. some of them are rising levels of work rams. some people talk about genocide. these are all legal concepts. genocide is a hard thing to prove because of intent. the bottom line is we are seeing that innocence have been killed in brutal ways. that does seem to influence global thinking on this. it seems to have influence a lot of what we saw out of the un general assembly and a lot of the comments from joe biden with strengthened the resolve of the west to support ukraine. >> you are exactly right. the motivation on the part of the united states and the west and the world to support ukraine in this battle is very clear. it's heightened, exactly what you said, by the horror. i saw this in bucha.

i saw this in irpin. i saw this in hostomel. it is so evident to the people there that these are or crimes and atrocities. indeed, what president putin has talked about in terms of wiping the ukrainian people, culture, wiping ukraine off the map, that is very close to genocide. that is genocide, ali. that is motivating the world to support ukraine to suppose the russians, even some of their allies, as you just mentioned. the chinese are concerned about this. the indians are concerned about this. this is a problem for him. he is demonstrating the horror of his war. >> let me ask you about these referenda. four states held a vote which i think would have been counted last week, even if the votes weren't cast yet. president biden has been clear on the fact it is not recognized. everyone in ukraine is clear on this fact. that is what happened in crimea,

right? they took over, held a referendum. everyone wanted to be a vassal state of russia. ukraine is not in control of crimea anymore. what happens here? >> what happens here, like you said, like crimea. the referendum in crimea in 2014 took place the same way as now -- point of a gun. people were forced to vote. the results, as you said, for andalusia. 97%, which is ludicrous. the key point here, ali, is that the ukrainians don't care. the ukrainians are going to continue to fight. ukrainians are going to continue to push the russians out of those four provinces. they have done it in crimea just as you said. the ukrainians have attacked crimea. they have attacked air bases in crimea. what has happened?

nothing. no direct response. that is likely what has happened now. we will continue to see ukrainians fight no matter what happens on the referenda. >> ambassador, good to see you again. thank you for joining us. we appreciate that. william taylor is the vice president of russia and europe at the u.s. institute of peace. he's a former united states ambassador to ukraine. he has recently returned from ukraine. coming up, the january 6th committee has not held a public hearing in a month. they have been working overtime behind the scenes and will hold another hearing this coming wednesday. we're going to tell you everything we know about that hearing so far, plus the big reveal from the january 6th vice chair, liz cheney, about where her support lies this november and which candidates the republicans have vowed to help defeat. later, tropical storm ian is expected to reach hurricane-strength today. it is set to make u.s. landfall in the coming days. the meteorologist bill karen's will have the forecast for me right here. democracy remains at stake with the midterms 46 days away. coming up next, i'm going to

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americans were asked just that. what is the most important issue facing the country? 29% of democrats say democracy, threats to democracy. only 12% of republicans agree. i would like to think i know you all pretty well. who else would choose to spend some of your sunday morning with me? i think you all live on the first earth. defining democracy and protecting freedoms are high priority. i also know that you must be sick and tired of hearing all of the nonsense that comes from the other side and their de facto leader, a twice impeached insurrectionist. every day is something new, and even western nation, a new conspiracy theory, a new freedom taken away, a new extremist running for office, a new scheme to overthrow democracy. believe me, i am quite sick of talking about it as well. the images, the voice, it greats on me. i can't avoid it or ignore it. we have to keep talking about it. you sadly have to keep listening. you know how the washington post says that democracy dies in darkness?

well, in this case, the darkness is when we stop holding anti-democratic forces do account or when you start paying attention. paying attention means paying attention to the good stuff and in the bad stuff. if i cherry-picked on the positive stuff going on in our politics as some of you often suggest i do, it would be a much more watchable show than it is today. the reality is that the threats to our democracy do not go away because you don't watch what they're doing. i would be doing you and my profession a disservice to not give you the fullest picture that i can, even when a lot of that is unpleasant, like the fact that the current president -- >> like the fact the current president, thought of achievements under his belt is not pulling all of that well, we do for a critical, midterm election. the former president and his enablers are serious for to be reckoned with. the fact that he faced any reckoning at all the damage this country in this democracy is because people kept the light on him. they dug deep and spoke up. this is just an acknowledgment,

i know you don't like talking about him. trust me, neither do i. i got this whole segment about speaking's name, but i don't have to say his name because you know exactly who i'm talking, about you know who's responsible for dismantling the basic -- democracy. you need to be armed with the truth about what people who do not share your world view are up to. better you know the truth and feel uncomfortable, but motivated then choosing your preferences and make you complacent. but you don't need me telling you positive stories that make you feel good instead of the truth about how much peril this nation and its democratic experiment are actually in. because it is in peril. and ignoring that peril will hurt more than listening to the truth and understanding it. ♪ and a whole lot of cheese ♪ ♪ and the mirror from your van is halfway down the street ♪ ♪ well, you can say that -- ♪

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pence has hinted that he is willing to come and testify and that is what the american people need to hear. he's at the center of their pressure campaign to overturn the election. what he was thinking that day and what he experienced and his conversations with trump are critical to the evaluation of this case and the american people have every right to know what he has to say. >> so, what do you think needs to be known now that we don't already know? who will that affect? what will that change in the outcome? there are those who think that donald trump is in a lot of legal turmoil and trouble and something should be happening to him. there are those who believe that donald trump's rhetoric on this, that this is a witch hunt. who moves as a result of what the committee comes up with? >> well, i think that conversation with pence could do that. i mean, he is the guy who had conversations with trump. not to repeat myself, but what could be more central?

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dahlia lithwick, a senior editor -- an msnbc law and politics analyst, now the author of this brand-new and remarkably important book lady justice: women, the law, and the battle to save america. thank you for being with us. that women's march that we referred to, on that day, it is sort of hard to imagine what a march like that does. what is the point of it? the election was lost to a lot of people who were in that march. what was the point they were trying to make? what's the value of that sort of protest? what is the lasting effect of coming out here and saying, my fight for democracy goes beyond an election? >> a big part of it is just to be visible, to say, i might be invisible to this administration, this justice department -- at this moment, i might be

invisible to the u.s. supreme court, but here i am. reckon with me. that's not nothing. it's creating a record that says, i object and that is not nothing. i think it is the gateway to power. i mean, everything you said about democracy reform. i think you have to be in the midst of a huge gathering that is palpable and physical intangible to say, if the court can take away my rights, if a gerrymandered red state can take away my rights, it's the president of the united states talking about me like i'm an objects, i have to figure out what the levers of power are to change that. >> let's talk about levers of power. there are various more people who say to me, democracy is not the whole thing here. there is something else. the levers of power in this country are systemically broken. it's not just going out and registering to vote and voting that will fix that. you have thought this through. >> first of all, i might slightly object to systemically broken. i think a lot of the levers of

power are working exactly as they are meant to, right? the electoral college, a mall portioned senate, the supreme court that answers to no one. in some sense, the levers of power are working precisely -- >> i get it. you're saying it's not broken, it's just not working for you. >> it's advantage in white wealthy man. that is how it was designed. i think one of the things that i am trying to do with the book is entering conversation in which we say, if you have outcomes where 77% of the population say that we don't want more guns and we don't want the epa to be hobbled and we don't want women to lose their autonomy and dignity because sam alito says that the word abortion wasn't in the constitution, what is broken? what is it that blocking us? how do we fix that? the last three chapters of this book are about gerrymandering, mel portion meant, and thinking not just about winning lawsuits, which is huge. the book is about lawsuits but it is also about what you are

saying. the system -- going forward, we never again get in the situation where women have to bleed out on a table before they can get emergency medical care. >> okay, so, for those who say, look, eternal how much i can do about democracy. i can definitely register to vote and vote. you will argue that it is much, much more than that to fix where we are in society. what does that mean to the reader, to the viewer right now? what is the more than that look like? >> the more than that is thinking about what your state is doing about gerrymandering, thinking about what your state is doing about these independent state legislature theories that are bubbling up. if the supreme court does what i fear it will do, state legislatures going into the next elections will be able to completely subvert their own government. they will be able to suffer their own courts. that is right. that is the 2020 coup. it's done by black robes. it's terrifying. it's partially paying attention. who is on your state supreme court? who is your state attorney general? all of those issues that

allowed us to wake up at the end of june and say, how did we lose power completely? these are all fixable. i think the central thing is that there are good people working on fixing the electoral -- >> people actually across the political spectrum. there are people across the spectrum who understand what you have said, that this is fundamentally broken and needs to be fixed. >> i think that's right. i think we don't have to reinvent the wheel. what we have to say is that to be enthralled to a document that is 200 years old and a court that interpreted as though it is more real and vital than the women around it -- >> that's fundamentalist. when it happens in other places, we call it fundamentalism. in your book, you talk about a day, mark second, 2016. it was the day of oral arguments for a lesser known abortion case called whole woman's health versus heller state. in your book, you write, quote, it was the last truly great day for women and the legal system in america. i would not have known about that day. >> i was in the room.

i was covering -- >> as you often are. >> as i often was. i was covering it. we had three women justices. we had women arguing the case. at one point, chief justice john roberts was kind of guided by justice ginsburg to give the women advocate more time. she had not finished. chief justice roberts said, okay, and let her go. having watched the cord go through a phase of two women justices and one, suddenly to see these three just incredibly powerful women, powerful advocates, justice breyer -- giving women all the reproductive freedom they saw and more. for me, it felt like we were so close, so close to the promise of dignity and equality. within a few months, donald trump is the candidate. he is the president. it's all gone. talia, thank you for all the work you do.

thank you for being in those rooms, and talking about it in a way that makes it accessible to so many of us who don't understand the concepts behind. it thank you for this remarkable book. thank you for being our guest this morning. tylee as a senior editor for slate. she is alonna -- she's the author of the new book, lady justice. women, the law, and the battle to save america. it's in stores now. straight ahead, the latest on the insurrection investigation, the january 6th select committee are back in action this week. our new seriously enough to the midterms that looks at the states in races where democracy is most at stake this november. today we head to pennsylvania where the republican nominee for governor set busloads of supporters to the capitol on january 6th. he's boasted about how he could intervene in elections if he wants. another hour of velshi begins right now. ght now. and good morning to you. it is sunday september the 20. feathers not am in the, east 6 am in the west.