a rioters phone during the attack. the claims were made by a former committee member in an interview with 60 minutes. >> when you see that the white house switchboard and connected to a rioters phone while it was happening, that's a pretty big aha moment. >> someone in the white house was calling one of the rioters while the riot was going on. >> on january 6th. absolutely. >> you know who both ends of that call our? >> finally no one end of that call. i don't know the white house and. >> that's one of thousands of details that the committee is aware of. it's interesting, but much less interesting than the fact that donald trump told the crowd in public that you have to fight like hell. >> this is the call government side the white house. >> i can't say anything specific about that particular call. we are aware of it. we are aware of lots of contacts between people in the white house and a different people that were involved,

obviously, in the coup attempt and the insurrection. >> importing that i clarify that call was allegedly made by a committee investigator. all those details -- also worth knowing that we don't know many more details including who placed that call, what it was about, word fits in the entire january 6th committee investigation. you today, the biden ministration is going public with a stark warning to russian president vladimir putin over his most recent suggestion that he could potentially deploy nuclear weapons in ukraine. the white house is saying loudly and clearly today that the consequences for any such action by russia will be a catastrophic. >> we have communicated directly, privately to the russians at very high levels. there could be -- if they use nuclear weapons in ukraine. we have been clear with them and emphatic with them that the united states will respond decisively. they well understand what they

would face if they went down that dark road. >> two new and notable polls to tell you about -- the first is from a cbs news's yougov. another poll from the washington post abc news shows as the doj investigates donald trump on multiple fronts, 52% of respondents say he should be charged with a crime what 39% he should not be charged. as we approach tomorrow's doj deadline set by the special master, new reactions to donald trump's claims that he can declassify documents by thinking about it. >> if not aces view, he's even more dangerous than we may have thought. he could simply spout off on anything he ran a presidential daily brief or anything he was briefed on by the cia director. >> joining me now, sadie gurman, wall street journal reporter covering the justice department

and federal law enforcement as well as melissa murray, new york university law professor, former law clerk to judge sonia sotomayor, also an msnbc contributor. what are you hearing as we get close to the deadlines tomorrow? the justice department at first had voiced a pretty strong concern about the appointment of a special master. the prosecutors were concerned that this would slow the investigation. they were worried that this person would give too much deference to trump. pressing trump's attorneys to explain themselves and further clarify their position on whether or not he declassified some of these documents. what the upcoming filings are expected -- the special master is pressing the trump team to explain

another criticism of the fbi, the insinuation that the bureau planted some of the evidence that it was shrewd at mar-a-lago. the special master is asked for the -- any sort of explanation for the discrepancies, whether it sees any discrepancies in the inventory that the justice department revealed. what we are seeing is that the special master is moving at -- the justice department is in some respects able to move forward with the investigation pretty smoothly. >> is it more of a procedural step or, to your point, an attempt to suppress all of the rhetoric from trump and inside that the fbi planted his materials during the search at mar-a-lago? >> it's probably a little bit of both. from what we have seen in the limited time that we have experienced judge dearie at this point is that he seems to be someone who doesn't suffer fools. he seems to be someone who wants the evidence put forward

to him. he is sympathetic to the justice department's claim that desire to move more quickly with this review would -- what we are seeing is that he is moving at a pace that is going to be potentially helpful to the justice department. he wants to stand with any allegations that have -- by prosecutors. he wants to -- >> it suggests judge dearie is turning into a headache. what's your assessment about this case? >> i have to say, alex, i told you a couple of weeks ago that it was a bit of a head-scratcher. he is not known to be particularly partisan. he enjoys a -- as sadie says, he doesn't suffer fools gladly. the trump team has to be

wondering if this is the right pick for them. the justice department jumped on it. he has a list of the work of magistrate judge ornstein. it is someone he worked with on the eastern district of new york. he's involved with this. it is moving at a fast cliff. much quicker than the trump team would have liked. this was a delay tactic. >> judge dearie assessed the classification directly. you can't have your cake and eat it too. what signals did he send to both sides? do you think trump's lawyers regret pushing for him? >> from what we are hearing from the trump camp, these lawyers are suggesting that it is too soon to read too much into what judge dearie is putting forward right now. i am sure behind the scenes they are a little bit concerned

as the judge continues to process them to be more specific and really clarify what it is they are arguing and whether or not the former president has declassified these documents. the lawyers themselves have been more circumspect-ing the former president who has come right out and said that a president can declassify information by thinking about doing that. we know that that is not the case. now the lawyers are going to have to deal with this as they answer the questions from the special master. >> it's been extraordinary, that last comment. so many people said, what, does he have jedi master bowers? trump has never stopped trying to litigate the case in the public square. will the judge allow that continue to continue or maybe the better question is, can the judge stop it? >> sorry, alex. i was just declassifying something in my mind. i don't think that trump is going to --

he is somehow the target of unprecedented which aren't. whether judge dearie and ornstein allow them to do that i think it's really up for grabs here. they will continue to use the procedural tools available to them, i think, to keep this case moving at a rapid cliff. what trump does on the sidelines is not something that they can control unless they hold him in contempt of court. i think this is going to be playing on two different tracks, one of the court of law, one in the court of public opinion. >> let me get your opinion on -- israel the children, his business partners, organizations. the former resident is calling this a witch hunt. what aspect of it should he really be concerned about? >> so many were chance going on against him, alex. it really does boggle the mind. what he has to be worried about is the fact that during earlier pretrial deposition before this was being investigated, he gave

testimony where he actually pled the fifth amendment. when you pleaded the fifth, those kind of -- the fact of pleading the fifth cannot be universally against you in a criminal proceeding. it's not the case in a civil proceeding. you can actually draw efforts from the fact that someone has pled the fifth in an earlier statement if it concern something in a civil case. >> i think he really has to worry about what he has done earlier. really has t worry about what he there are ss here. i mean, this is a very detailed complaint with hundreds and hundreds of allegations and, as attorney general james makes clear, she thinks that there were criminal laws of violated. criminal laws -- she has not chosen to indict or prosecute them, but that doesn't mean that someone else can't. >> this is settler not, melissa, in this case? >> i think he would like to settle. i think he will certainly push to settle. attorney general james has made

it clear she is not interested in settling. this is going to go to trial because she believes it is important to hold him accountable and to hold the trump organization accountable. >> lastly to you, sadie, give me what you are looking for most of all coming in the mar-a-lago documents case this week. >> i will be very curious to see what the trump lawyers argue in their court filings about these discrepancies that they have pointed to ending inventory list. trump himself has suggested that the fbi planted evidence in mar-a-lago that it then seized. it will be interesting to see if there is any indication that that happened, if they are able to explain that in the court filing, or if they will just sign off on the inventory list as it was presented. >> something he has claimed that they took his will, so we will see what comes of that. sadie, melissa, thank you ladies both so much. we have this breaking news to share as trump -- rapidly strengthened later today as it intensifies to a major hurricane by the middle of this week.

florida has already declared a state of emergency as it braces for the threat of strong winds and dangerous storm surges. this latest threat comes after former hurricane fiona slammed through parts of eastern canada this weekend. the canadian military has mobilized to assess the scope of devastation of the storm. it swept away houses and knocked out power for more than 350,000 people. the storm began in the caribbean and is responsible for four confirmed and 12 suspected deaths in puerto rico, one confirmed death and guadeloupe, one in the dominican republic. and we seize stephanie stanton is in dunedin, florida. we are going to be an rafael miranda. good sunday to you. tell us about this growing concern over what is -- >> hey there, alex. good to see. we're tracking ian, a tropical storm, right now. many questions as to the track. one thing a certain -- the storm is about to blow up. we're talking about that rapid intensification. all systems go for that to

happen later on today to the next 48 hours. a strong tropical storm right now with winds at 50 miles per hour. it is still getting organized. that's going to take time looking messing on the satellite. we have hurricane warnings in effect for grand cayman and western cuba. hurricane conditions are expected there over the next couple of days. we also have watches in effect for central cuba. here is the path. notice by tuesday morning, just two days for now, we go from a tropical storm to a major category surrey hurricane. that is the rapid intensification expected. it could be a category four hurricane emerging into the gulf of mexico very warm water here. we have all the ingredients that the hurricane needs to strengthen. the lack of wind shear, the warm water. this is the critical cone of concern. did you see there is still a lot of rain shear? it's all the way from the florida panhandle back to the west coast of florida including tampa. where this case and what it makes landfall, the questions to be determined. how strong will the storm be at

the time of landfall? the more time our storm spends getting closer to the gulf coast, it may actually weaken after wednesday. we will have more wind disrupting the storm. two models to show you in two different scenarios. the european model has been stubborn. it has been keeping our storm very close to tampa, making landfall earlier and as a stronger major hurricane around the tampa area. that's probably around wednesday. many other computer models take the storm farther west to the panhandle. this would give the storm time to weaken before making landfall. of course, that is what we all want. you can see the spaghetti models that we see at this time of year. a lot of spread here. this is what we call high uncertainty in terms of the track this far out. the implications and the impacts for the panhandle in florida will be huge depending on where we fall along those spaghetti charts. rainfall forecast over the next seven days, no matter where it lands, we will see a ton of rain and storm surge and wind damage. look at this for florida right now. we're talking about well over

half a foot of rain and the potential for inland flooding as well as ian it makes landfall. many questions to go, alex. we are tracking this closely. >> i'm sure floridians are grateful for that. they need the heads up. thank you. speaking of floridians, let's go to stephanie stanton who is in dunedin, florida. how are the folks preparing? >> good afternoon to you, alex. despite all of the uncertainty, people are taking the storm very seriously. they are sandbagging here. i am and dunedin, florida. just to paint you a picture of where that is, we are about 30 miles northwest of tampa. it's a coastal resort community on the water on the west coast of the tampa area. folks here are taking this very seriously. take a look at what is happening behind me. you can see that cars have been lined up pretty much since 8:00 this morning. huge pile of sand here. the city of dunedin public works officials have been dropping off truckloads of santa since early this morning.

they say that they have about 100,000 sandbags available for those who may need them. during previous storms, they've handed out about 30,000 sandbags. as you have said, people here are in full prep mode. this is about 36,000 people. you can see a lot of goodwill here right now. people are helping. everyone is in this together at this point. as that cliché goes, people are expecting the worst but hoping for the best. >> we are used to it. >> we do prepare occasionally. we have hurricane a shattered glass on our house. >> not much you can do if it's coming. prepared the best you can. move on. >> that's a good attitude. >> which used to live in florida. this is part of it. we are used to it. you kind of have to come with

the territory. it's part of living in florida. >> as you see there, people are in good spirits despite a potential threat. tampa, as you said, is in that cone of uncertainty. people have been prepping in other ways. they have been outline -- there are several empty store shelves not only here but all across the sunshine state due to the uncertainty of this storm. also, they are filling up their tanks with gasoline. i can tell you that just in this area alone, there have been several gassed asians that have a run out of fuel. the bottom line here, alex, is that people are taking this seriously. that makes officials really happy because they are warning people to take it seriously. if you find yourself in that evacuation zone, they're asking people to leave their homes just as a precautionary measure even though there is still a lot of uncertainty as to the direction of this storm. >> i think taking it seriously is the only way you can have an optimistic attitude.

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midterm elections. new polling is giving us a look on how voters feel as the balance of power in congress is at stake. in a washington post abc news poll, voters were asked what they think is one of the most important issues in the election. 27% say the economy. 20% over abortion. 21% say inflation. 18% say education. immigration, climate change, and crime around out the list. as for which political party voters trust to do a better job, it is republicans on crime, inflation, and the economy, on

immigration, and education. voters were deadlocked in the margin of error. democrats have the advantage significantly on abortion and climate change. joining me now, don calloway, democratic strategist and ceo of pine street strategies and susan del percio, republican strategist, msnbc political -- carlos curbelo. he is a msnbc political analyst. welcome to all. let's get into this. don, you first. you saw the numbers for abortion. it was sandwiched between the economy and inflation in this new poll. will abortion impact midterm voting even more than we have expected? >> certainly it will. as our friend david jolly, who is now with us today, has often said, you can be pro-life and still pro roe. what we have seen in the 90 days since the decision was officially overturned is a kickoff any of really, really unfortunate human rights violations where young girls are being forced to carry babies to term where women are

crossing state lines to pursue abortion as health care and where corporations are in a state of flux not knowing what to do between abiding by the letter of the law in some of these deep red state and supporting their employees and their employees that they are trying to recruit. i think that that will have a fundamental effect on the midterms. i am not one to say that white suburban women are going to come out to save us. i do think that objectively over the last 50 years of post roe jurisprudence, choice has sunk in to be in a way of life in america. we would like to return to that state of normalcy. >> yeah. susan, when asked about the supreme court decision to overturn roe v. wade, 21% of adults strongly supported well 90% -- look at this. 53% strongly oppose it. how much is this issue putting gop candidates on defense? >> it's putting them on defense because they can't talk about

what they want to, which is the economy and inflation. when you include, count those numbers together in that poll that you showed, that gets you up to 48% being the top issue, whether in inflation or the economy, versus 22% for abortion. people still put the economy slash inflation at the top of their list. that's not to say that people, especially women, are not absolutely infuriated that a right has been taken away from them. if they will show up to the polls and vote against extreme behavior, the problem is which will win out for democrats, the idea of turnout for protecting a right that has -- gaining back a right that has been lost, or did someone go food shopping and go to the gas station before they went to vote and say, things are still very expensive? >> carlos, as we break down of the issues by party, are you surprised that voters are split?

they are split so narrowly when it comes to immigration and education. look at that. there are two points there how might those -- >> yeah, alex. i can tell you, in american suburbs, that split is very evident. i really think that american suburbs are going to decide who controls congress after the november election. what is happening is, as susan said, republicans want to be talking about inflation in the economy, but they have to compete with the abortion issue, which has become very prominent after the overturning of roe. there is another factor which is not inflect -- donald trump being out there on the campaign trail hurt republicans in suburbs. donald trump is a massive distraction for republicans because he takes away attention from inflation, the economy, these issues were republicans know that they have an upper hand against democrats.

i really think the reason we have seen these changes in the polls in recent months where democrats are doing better is because republicans have lost ground in those suburbs. i remind people that those suburbs turned them back to -- i think they are going to be decisive now. >> i'm curious if the election for the house of representatives was held today, 47% of the voters say they would support a rotten candidate. 26 -- within the margin of error. there was once a time where republicans wear a mask if she were to take over the house. how confident should relatives be about that? >> they still have structural advantages. history is on their side. democrats control the entirety of government. this is a midterm election. we've seen what happens in those weather was 2010 or 2018, right? drastic changes against the party. republicans certainly are not in the strong position they

were in just a couple of months ago. the fact that the supreme court overturned roe has republicans on defense on abortion. it was democrats on defense for decades. donald trump being out there in the news is bad for republicans. it looks like this is going to be a lot closer than people thought. >> as you consider the poll numbers today, don, what is the advantage within the senate? where do you get it? >> i have to give the democrats it right now. it won't be anything more than 51 or 52 in a dream scenario. one thing is going to wreck the republican party in the house and senate. they really produce some subpar candidates this year. herschel walker is an objectively subpar candidate. donald trump put one of the golden boys, j.d. vance, in an extraordinary precarious position. he said that he was kissing his you know what for his support.

trump is not going away. he will certainly call more attention to himself in north carolina against a quality candidate down there. i'm looking forward to seeing if val demings will pick up the pace in florida. i think you have some really subpar republican senate candidates. if the house as candidates who are -- of course, we exclude congressman carvalho. if the candidates are less talented, you are getting a hodgepodge of really subpar relic at house candidates as well. i think that there are extraordinarily poor candidates in a way that neither party has seen in quite some time. >> extraordinary statement. susan, phil maker michael moore gave a major production this weekend. take a listen. >> i think that there is going to be such a landslide against the raiders, especially the 147 republicans who, just hours after the insurrection, voted to not certify the elected

president of the united states, joe biden. i think there are so many people coming out to vote. >> how motivating do you think that concept, that fact could be? >> i think it's motivating. what michael moore did so well in 2016 was understand that where the populist class of the republican party was, those men and women who did not have a college education who may have been union or former union workers -- when you're talking about midterms, you're not talking just about states in the senate. in the house, it's five seats, alex. that's how many republicans have to pick up. i think it will be hard to see them not picking up five seats in the midterms. when it comes to the senate, i agree with don. i think they are going to hold not because people are so in hammered with the democrats right now in those suburban areas, but they just can't stomach the candidates that the

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i got my shot people including three teens at a pennsylvanian movement bark. three teens at a pennsylvanian movement bark. the three victims are expected to be okay. italy could elect its first female leader today and its first far-right won since mussolini. georgia maloney is the favorite to become the country's next prime minister. she is the leader of the nationalist brothers party and is allied with several other parties on the right. she is known for her fiery rhetoric against gay rights,

european we are crowds, and illegal migrants. back in the u.s., people across the east coast spotted what they believe to be a meteor in the sky. however, it was just spacex launching satellites from florida. images of a ball of light were shared with a social media users wondering what they were all about. now to russia, an anti war protests erupted there this weekend in response to vladimir putin's call to mobilize hundreds of thousands of troops to join his war with ukraine. independent monitors say more than 700 people have been detained in some 30 cities across russia. officials in four russian occupied territories in eastern ukraine are forcing people to vote in so-called referendums. moscow is looking to -- ukraine and its allies are calling the referendums a share. jane gray is joining us from kharkiv in northeastern ukraine. i know you just recently returned from a recently liberated town about three

kilometers or so from the russia ukraine border. what did you see there? >> disarray. a town that has been battered by shelling, pockmarked with mortars. many of the buildings there and the holes there were destroyed. there are a few people who remain in that small village. they do continue to keep up what they can, trying to push forward even as latimer putting right now is saying that he will add hundreds of thousands of soldiers to the fight. >> busloads of a man cross rush -- moscow want the world to see. framed by these images, it does not. resistance to the mobilization order from vladimir putin brutally crushed. more than 730 protesters were arrested this weekend while

lions build at the border. those eligible desperate for a way out. >> i am afraid to be mobilized. i don't want to participate in this war. i decided to escape. >> russian forces struggled after stunning advances by ukrainian fighters taking back huge swaths of territory and millions of dollars worth of russian equipment. this soldier says, we will prepare this tank and use it to cut down more russians. determined to tighten its grip on the areas it still controls, the kremlin held referendums on russian rule. ukraine and western allies called those votes a sham, neither fair nor free. this video appears to show poll workers going door to door with ballots accompanied by armed soldiers. in mariupol, voters went to the polls amid the -- some who escaped the ruins are now living in kyiv, disgusted

by what they call fake referendums. this man said they ruined the city and killed thousands of people. as the war rumbles on, russian strikes hit a building in his operation in the south. ukrainian forces searched to retake control of voice or crippling out further west. the town was liberated at a terrible cost. yeah, they will continue to pay that cost, it appears, alex. we continue to hear more throughout the day during our trip down. it is something that those that remained say is just a constant in those areas. >> the devastation ensues no matter what. okay, jay gray. thank you. let's go to capitol hill. we're getting mixed signals from the january 6th committee as to whether this week's hearing will be its final one. last night at the texas tribune festival, congressman -- we don't anticipate that it will be the last hearing. this morning, her fellow committee member congressman

raskin offered a different perspective. >> it may be the last investigative public hearing where we are going to try to round out the factual narrative. i'm hopeful that we will have a hearing that lays out all of our legislative recommendations about how to prevent cools -- electoral sabotage in the future. >> nbc's ali vitale is in austin texas for us right now. we -- what more can you tell us about what liz cheney said? >> yeah, alex. they're being tightlipped about what wednesday is going to look like. all the committee members that we have heard from both here in austin and now that congressman raskin is back in washington -- all of them are saying that they are promising new material and new information. i actually think that while it sounds like cheney and raskin are saying different things, and they might be, i actually think they're saying the same thing, which is that the hearing on wednesday is the

last active investigation hearing that we will see, but that when they release the interim report and in the final report sometime towards the end of the year, there will be hearings around those two things as well. those hearings could look different than what we have already come to expect. it is a continuation of the committee's work. for cheney, as she is working on january 6th, she is charting the blueprint for a path forward as she has made this promise time and again to do whatever she can do to make sure that donald trump is never in the oval office again. she didn't go so far as to say that she would run for president here, though she clearly left that door open, but she did say that she would be willing to campaign for democrats if they were campaigning against election deniers, even going so far in one situation when a questioner asked to hear what they should do if there are republican voters who are with an election denier running at the republican level -- this is what she said to do. >> i would advise them to vote against the election deniers. the most important observation

not just elected officials have but everyone has is to do your part to make sure that people who believe in what the election deniers are saying, the people who would tear the republic down, don't get power. >> alex, to that end, cheney said she herself would be willing to campaign for democrats. she gave the example of katie hobbs who is running against carrie lake in arizona for governor. she said she is not yet ready to get rid of her republican title. she is staying with the party at this point. she did say that if donald trump were to become the nominee in 2024, she wouldn't leave the republican party. >> absolutely extraordinary. okay. ali vitale, thank you so much. the potential consequences of the new york state lawsuit against donald trump and three of his children -- could this be the case with the most devastating impact? most devastating impact? (vo) get the new iphone 14 pro on us. right now t-mobile is including apple business essentials

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lawyer michael cohen said could bankrupt trump and his businesses. >> what tish james writes is that the baseline is $250 million. she's not going below that. the amount is substantially greater. as i have said on many, many shows, i believe that in order to be somewhere between -- one billion dollars. that will wipe them out. he doesn't have cash. >> let's bring in tim o'brien, msnbc political analyst and senior executive editor of bloomberg opinion and writer of this new article, trump and his spurious business face a reckoning. welcome back to the broadcast. in your piece, you say that james's suit won't land the trumps in prison, only criminal convictions could do that. it seeks to borrow the trumps from running a business in new york state and might unravel the trump organization. you just heard michael cohen there say it could actually wipe trump out. is that the way you see? >> well, i think it depends on

the extent of damage is that the case inflicts at her prosecution inflicts on the trump family and her business. michael is completely right that he has never had a lot of cash on the end. he's almost a dead addict. he as always heavily mortgaged the properties. most of his wealth is tied up in a handful of skyscrapers in new york city. tish james is seeking to bar him from doing business in the state of new york so people have to unload those if he gets convicted. that is a fire sale, which means buyers will know they will have to pay top dollar because he needs to get out of the property. she has made to criminal referrals out of this case, one to the irs and one to the southern district. that is hanging over his head. i think the family's legacy is in new york. everything like donald trump stands on was built by donald

trump. again, now, he has another -- i think this is an existential threat to his business and his financial well-being. >> you cited these two other incidents when you put the family legacy on the precipice. why is this different? is it different? >> in the past, what had happened before, remember that he ended up losing a huge chunk of -- the only reason he didn't go bankrupt was because his siblings bailed him out using his father's money. this time, backside to continue to deal with him in the early 90s because he was essentially too big to fail. if they had kicked him out of everything, they might not have gotten -- they might have worked with

trump back then. a lot is involved in an intense and sophisticated way. he is facing legal battles on multiple fronts inside new york and outside new york. he has never faced this kind of a lineup of legal hurdles ever in his career. >> it does seem insurmountable. you also write that the trump chose to invoke the fifth amendment protection against self incrimination hundreds of times. it could be used against them in a civil jury trial, something james could not do any criminal case. how significant is that? >> you know, errol tran and donald trump collectively took the fifth more than 900 times. >> they did. >> if you put that in front of a jury, the prosecutors are allowed to instruct the jury that they could consider that as an admission of guilt. if the trumps have nothing to hide, they would have no reason

to take the fifth. you could argue that they do have a right not to incriminate themselves, but to the larger issue is that they have not been forthcoming beyond the depositions. they haven't been forthcoming with documentation throughout the prosecution as well as in other prosecutions they face. they are clearly engaging in behavior that any prosecutor would consider to be hiding. it's going to be tested at trial. >> to your point about the multiple lawsuits that donald trump is facing right now, regarding the one around the documents found at mar-a-lago, how could that investigation affect the new york attorney general civil case? could it actually help laetitia james's case? >> i think it could. there's a pattern of behavior here. the federal government has discovered that trump did not turn over the documentation that they asked of him when he left the white house. they threw their investigation discovered that he and his

lawyers and himself in tandem we're actively miss leading the federal government about what they had. this is also been an issue, as i mentioned earlier, in her investigation. she had repeatedly going to court to ask judges to force the trumps to turn over documents. as you know, trump sued me for libel when i was at the new york times. over the course of that case, we engaged in a long series of discovery motions with his team. they were loath -- when we eventually got his banking records and his tax records. he gave us a tax return early on that was so heavily redacted it looked like across for puzzle. the only discernible income in those tax returns at that point was milan's modeling income. we didn't care about that. we really have to keep battling him to get records turned over. there is a long, decades-long pattern of behavior around this that i think letitia james's office could leverage to dig

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iran, there were widespread protests. the former obama administration was really hands off by design. they were afraid that if the u.s. leapt into action to try to support the protesters, it would actually undermine them by making a possible for iran's government to -- look, these are not homegrown protests. this is the west fomenting unrest in iran. the obama administration was heavily criticized for not doing more proactively to actively support those protesters back then, so we are now hearing this morning from national security adviser jake sullivan who says that they are taking a different approach this time. they realize that you can't overthink it. it doesn't matter what the u.s. does. iran is going to claim that this is externally motivated anyway. the u.s. this time is taking a much more proactive support to helping these protesters. take a listen. >> right after these protests broke out, our administration

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