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good evening and welcome to politicsnation. tonight's lead, c.j..
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. the right now with midterm election in less than six weeks, all the assumptions are still being thrown out the sheer depth of donald trump's alleged illegal activity continues to impact the way that we just play expectation. case in, point tonight liz cheney the garter of a former republican vice president and a republican congresswoman who signaled this weekend that she might campaign for democrats should donald trump become the gop's nominee for president in 2024. it's not entirely surprising considering that she has been in the in ceramic shun. it was slated to reveal even
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more connections between trump associates and the far-right elements that planned and executed the attack on the capitol. but that particular drama is just one of the factors pushing voters to the poll in november. mainstream republicans remain firmly committed to trump and they're at least silent about the deepening legal challenges. can even be compelled to take cheney's lead? that is the big question politicsnation. plus, the head of the agency joins me live from jackson mississippi. as agency announces transformative new initiatives on environmental justice and civil rights. what does that mean for vulnerable communities. i will ask them in just a bit. we start as always with politics. joining me now is jim claiborne
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and democrat of south carolina. thank you for joining us tonight. -- >> thanks very much for having me. >> ahead on this wednesday we have a congressional hearing on the insurrection. i want to play some of liz cheney's congregate out of form last night. we'll please >> one of the thing that surprises. we're the most about my work on this committee is how sophisticated the plan was that donald trump was involved in and overshot. every step of the way it was a multi part plan that he oversaw, he was involved in personally indirectly. >> so, the same will not be the last hearing that this will see. >> it won't be the last hearing. >> congressman, your reaction
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to cheney's comment. . >> i've not been surprised at all about the sophistication of this. i saw this developing even before this man was elected. the fact of the matter is you may recall i said a national television, the night before he gave a joint speech for a joint session of congress. it was not of state. i said that night if he was not planning to give up the office. when i was asked that night whether or not from the history i was given whether not i was calling him hitler. i said no, i'm calling a mussolini. putin is hitler. and everything i said that night has come to pass.
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i saw it and it's never going to stop and the voters are going to have to stop this. >> i've gotta stop you. there you said you called donald trump mussolini and putin hitler. hillary mussolini were dictators of where the enemies of democracy and due process in world war ii for those who may not know. go ahead congressman. i did that in january 2018. and i did this down charleston south carolina, he ran a big story about. it a lot of people called me they stop me on the street calling me all kinds of names because i said that. everything i said has come to pass, i said history all my life as you know. i still studied every day. i can see the patterns. that's why we study history. we look at these patterns and
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what these patterns either to. i was not surprised that the night he came out of the hospital that the next morning on this network joe referred to his stance as a mussolini stance. so i feel very comfortable saying that the january six committee is uncovering stuff that was there. i was very sophisticated, it was very intentional. it did not stop that insurrection. they started long before it. >> congressman, house republicans unveiled a 2023 platform this weekend in advance of the midterms. they contend that it targets economy, crime and the border. now, president biden has of
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course blasted it as minor details and it's not consistent with what many republicans have been saying about federalism forsman, abortion and as has majority, what is your take on what was announced. >> it's pretty close to what the president said. it is pretty long on style. it is very short on substance. that is the republican way, i'll style no substance. this president, joe biden has put together a great recovery, i've been saying recently that i believe he's gonna go down in history as a president that gave us a great recovery, just like lyndon johnson gave us a great society. roosevelt gave us a new deal. joe biden has given us a great recovery. just look at the program she put together, the rescue plans.
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reopen schools, put shots in peoples arms. look at the infrastructure bill he put in water and sewage, to fix the rail. this is a great work. pardon 65 billion dollars, we are going to south carolina the next 3 to 5 years. every home, every business will be connected. that is because joe biden's vision for the future is what's taking place in this country today. that is what is going to prevail on election day. i'm convinced that joe biden is going to do what needs to be done it's dealing semiconductor, is making them here in this country. look at the inflation reduction
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act. not only are we arresting inflation, we still have some trouble in spots. joe biden has been decided that it's the medicine that they have to eat instead of people that have diabetes i take a congressman you are very proud that you helped make joe biden the nominee and the president. but let me ask you this question put well there still time. last night i had this eric adams and as the city deals with this for ex hispanic migrants being intentionally stranded in the city as well as chicago in washington.
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i pointed out that it's interesting that he talked to cities and back mares republican texas governor, abbott is not the only governor seeking reelection engaging in these forest locations. he joins florida and arizona. i wonder what you think the response and democratic lawmakers should be. pierre >> i think if he is just a solid person, he's recognizing the insanity, and humanity that all this is being visited by in florida. and of course, abbott in texas. i think that the humane approach, these are people with every right past with the rules
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of the road to embarrass them. make odds out of them it's not the american way i think adams is doing the right thing. i think the expressions came from the mayor have been pretty accurate. i do believe that we have to deal with this immigration issue. it must be dealt with in a broad sense and not stuck. we have to do it by using good common sense in upholding what makes the structure. it is making asylum available for everybody who qualifies. you've got to go through the process of making sure that they can qualify. what they are doing short circuits all of that. paul makes a mockery out of this country's constitution. >> as always, we thank you
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congressman jim clyburn. joining me now is environmental protection agency minister, michael regan. thank you mister administrator for being with us tonight. of course, i want to get to a major announcement of the agency's new office of environmental justice and civil rights jackson mississippi where you are coming from live -- several residents followed a class action lawsuit against you. mississippi state officials including jackson mayor. it's an ongoing water crisis, even though the city ordered before u.s. has been lifted. our own nbc pierre they don't test enough to consume it. what is the epa response look like now in response to the
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crisis? >> well thank you for having me what i promised the people of jackson mississippi's at the environmental protection agency would be engaged in remaining gauged. a couple weeks ago i was convening with the governor in the mayor and i did with the residence asked me to do. they asked me to talk to the governor and where and stress we put the politics aside and find a solution. i'm back here in jackson today and we'll be meeting with the mayor to discuss the progress that will be made in terms of conversation at the city of jackson is having with the state. we have to really have an all hands on deck approach here we have to create a situation where the city of mississippi has access to the millions of dollars that the federal government has pushed through to the state to ensure that we had here to provide good quality drinking water of the people of jackson mississippi. and so, we are going to do our
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jobs. we're gonna pressure the state and city to move it urgency. i'm honestly engaged to the city of jackson understands and the residents understand we want to see some progress and see it quickly. >> i want to ask you about the agency's new pop -- office of environmental justice and external civil rights. i understand it's the most explicit attempt to promote the equity agenda right pertains to a vulnerable community what can you tell us about what this new office adds to that mandate? you know, reverend, yesterday i was thought -- proud to go back to my home state, in warren county, north carolina, where many people consider to be the birthplace of the environmental justice movement, to announce this new, national program, environmental justice and external civil rights. what we're doing is taking our
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environmental justice program, merging it or combining it with our civil rights program, and elevating it to the highest levels at epa. this office will be led by an individual, who will be nominated by the president of the united states and confirmed by the united states senate to report directly to me, overseeing over 200 people, whose job it is to focus on environmental justice and civil rights. and also, with the success of the inflation reduction act, this office will help facilitate over three billion dollars, designed to float through the agency, and get into the hands of the people in this country who needed the most. >> so, let me understand right. over 200 people we'll report directly to you. we are dealing with two billion dollars now. that is a long way from where you were yesterday or a few decades ago when reverend than chavis and other started
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raising the issue of environmental justice. that i don't think was a match and then that we would have a whole department dealing with that with a budget. that's interesting. president biden has issued an emergency declaration ahead of iain, which forecasts are saying could make landfall as a major hurricane by mid week. puerto rico is still recovering from the devastation caused by hurricane fiona, earlier this month. and that is to say nothing of the extreme weather events that have so many states this past summer in real repair. the flooding we saw in eastern kentucky, the ongoing drought and wildfires in southwestern states, as epa administrator, do we have the resources as a nation to combat these kinds of repeated disasters and to what extent do you feel they are
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being driven by climate change? >> reverend, for those who do not believe in climate change or believe what the scientists saying, the examples you just laid out say that you can look outside of your own window and see what is happening across this country and across the world. with the president leadership around getting his entire cabinet organized around climate change, the success from a legislative standpoint of the american rescue plan, the infrastructure law, the inflation reduction act, we have begun to assemble the resources to seriously deal with the climate crisis. and yes, epa will have a central role in that. as fema deals with these emergency orders, from jackson, mississippi, to puerto rico, to florida, we are part of that assignment. but we are also part of that long term recovery peace. the infrastructure piece. good quality drinking water. water infrastructure. wastewater infrastructure. we have that recovery peace in
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our -- but reverend, we also have a number of tools in our tool box at epa to begin to reduce the pollution and exacerbate this climate crisis. the president has called for an all-deck -- and epa is answering a call. >> epa administrator michael regan, we thank you for being with us live from jackson, mississippi, tonight. coming up, republican governors treated at them like political ponce. but many other americans are rising up to help migrants who came to this country seeking a better life. and the january six committee gears up for another public hearing this week. we will look at whether the proceedings could sway voters in the midterms. first, my colleague richard with today's other top news stories. richard? >> reverend, a very good summer to you. some of the stories we're watching. hundreds of thousands still without power in canada after
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storm fiona ripped through the country's eastern seaboard. hurricane-strength winds left about 200 residents displaced from their homes. thankfully, few reports of serious injuries. about 50% of puerto rico's power customers, still face outages a week after a category one hurricane, devastated the island. some areas received nearly three feet of rain. many residents are still dealing with severe flooding now. and we're also watching tropical storm ian. it's expected to intensify into a major hurricane today, before hitting florida this week. president biden approving an emergency declaration for the state of florida. and north korea test fired a ballistic missile into eight eastern sea today. i had a vice president harris's visit to south korea. south korea denounced the act as a clear violation of the united nations resolutions. north korea's launches this year are an unprecedented pace over 30 so far this year. more politics nation with reverend al sharpton right after this break.
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leaders rise up to combat the migrant crisis and their cities. this comes after republican governors from states on the southern border have exploited the dangerous journey many migrants took to achieve a better life here in the united states. by sending thousands of them to democratic led states as political pawns, the controversial trips have prompted swift reactions from mayors, step representatives and community members, to accommodate the people dropped off in their cities. the d.c. counselor probed a bill written by -- to establish an office of migrant services. to offer immediate support to thousands of asylum seekers being bused to the district. due to the growing number of
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migrants arriving in new york city, mayor eric adams announced a new emergency response and relief center. two additional centers will be opening in the coming weeks. and in massachusetts, state representative dylan fernandez says he met with the immigrants at a local church and it's not just politicians. a mom in martha's vineyard rallied her community together dozens of -- that provided meals and medical care and a play area for children at the shelter. after ron desantis said -- her generous example helped to inspire a wave of other donations. some republican leaders could learn a thing or two about this communities generosity. who claim to be christians, but they seem to have lost the
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the woke a f podcast. danielle, let's start with you -- for the texas tribune festival it is for the texas tribune festival, for china liz cheney, we don't anticipate that it will be the last hearing unquote. meanwhile on meet the press committee member congressman expressed a slightly different outlook on the panel investigation. >> it may be the last investigative public hearing where we are going to try to round out the factual narrative i'm hopeful speaking is just one number a hearing that lays out all of our recommendation and the future what do you
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expect danielle anything that could change the minds of some voters ahead of the midterms? i think the january six committee, it's an astounding job presenting for how donald trump can work with white supremacist organizations and i think one of the most interesting things and what ginni thomas's testimony will look like. the committee is asked johnny thomas what chief justice clarence thomas to sit before the committee and understand how she was involved with former chief of staff mark meadows. it's other electors in order to overthrow the election i other hearings that lay out just how embedded the trump administration was with the
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chief justice's wife as well as with what supremacist organization. >> our charles let me pick up right there. jeanne, thomas has reached an agreement to testify to the committee. what is your take on the testimony? what do you think could or could not happen? >> i do think for people like a draw link, i think we need to slow down there. i don't think we're gonna get that far. i do think ginni thomas has a history of inappropriate action as a member of the barber she's been desperate for. numerous occasions before, i think -- >> she herself? >> if she has, she has been -- in complaints to bars and bars to see asians. this is in line with that. i think she was strategic and how she negotiated her ability
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to meet with a committee despite previous requests for her to show up. i think that you knew that the committee was running out of time she's playing that her advantage. yes it was an element of privilege here in terms of her being able to hold him off if you will and there wasn't a normal person might not know. i also think that she understands that they can't necessarily afford to go get a subpoena and try and force it in court. she use that to her advantage in terms of crafting at what her parents would look like, how is going to ultimately play out. >> i do think that depending on what develops and what they learn this could open another rabbit hole of the january six committee ends up going down. but i also think that she is playing the short game. -- there's only so much that you can ask her about.
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>> there is a new washington post abc news poll. there are issues ahead of the midterm, 27% of the economy. 22% say abortion. 21% say inflation. 18% says it education. climate change and crime round out the list. when asked which party they would like to be in control to handle these issues, it's republicans of crime inflation and economy on education, it is a dead he. the democrats have advantage on the issue of abortion and climate change. as we hit the home stretch here for the mid term season, which issued you think is front and center for voters and which party do you think it favors? well, i think that we can't separate these issues out in
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terms of what is going to be looked at as a part of the economy and what is not. look, if women are forced out of the workplace because they're being forced to give birth, that is going to affect the economy, right? that is going to affect their ability to put food on the papal and their ability to show up in our economy. so, when we ask these questions at polls, i don't think that we are asking the full breadth of the questions. again, climate change, how are we dealing with climate change when every single time that we have another historic storm, that it is costing this country billions of dollars in order to repair. that also is a part of the economy. i think that what democrats need to do here is antjuan these issues and say that they are not separate, siloed issues. as you care about the future of this country, our democracy, and your well-being and your freedom and our economy, that looks like democrats being in control. >> charles, you wrote an article this week about the close senate race in georgia.
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you say any similarities between the two major party candidates, democratic senator raphael warnock, and former football star herschel walker, stop after color and gender. walker has chosen to spread racist, self depreciating tropes as a means of drawing distinctions between himself and his opponent. can you further expound on this? this is what you wrote. and can you think this strategy will work? >> sure. i think in terms of herschel walker's -- he had dealt reverend warnock for a number of weeks and months on the debate -- now, he has finally agreed to one debate. and he has already stepped out by saying, well, i'm not that smart. i'm just a hot country boy. he is dressed nice. he is a pastor, where's night suits. i will just try to do my best and show up. -- he will probably humiliate me. i will just show up and do my
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best. what he's doing there is twofold. he is first level setting expectations. so, if he turns in a debate performance that is forgettable, he has already done more than most people would have expected. the second thing he is doing is he is blowing a dog whistle to many very conservative white southern voters in the state of georgia, who are not thrilled about the fact that georgia went blue in the last presidential election. he is letting them know, by doubling down on old, tired, racist tropes. listen, i'm not out here trying to think for myself, i like being able to be swayed or listen to. there are a lot of people out there smarter than me and no better than me. i think it is really unfortunate because we are in 2022. and those sorts of narratives still gain traction in terms of a certain group. and this group is the group that he needs to turn out if he has any chance of beaten wherever and warnock. >> a very interesting theory.
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the massachusetts attorney generals office under mara healy, received national attention for suing the trump administration, nearly 100 times in the last five years. attorney general healey's run for governor -- she is now throwing her support towards a former boston city council president and education lawyer, andre campbell, who recently won the democratic nomination. and if elected in november, will be the first black woman to serve as attorney general of massachusetts. and she joins me now. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> miss campbell, as i welcome you to fox news nation -- a texas state -- into florida governor ron desantis transported nearly 50 democrats from texas to
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martha's vineyard -- in your home state. the texas sheriff said the emigrants could have been lured under false pretenses. as someone running to be massachusetts chief legal officer, what are your thoughts about this case and the legality of these migrant flights? >> i absolutely think that it should be investigated. not only by other states, i know our current attorney general is working with other attorney generals across attorneys -- to also look at any possible investigations. i think the federal government should be doing the same. based on accounts from the folks who arrived at martha's vineyard, there are real concerns that they were indeed alert under false pretenses. and i'll just say i'm really proud of how massachusetts responded. a bipartisan effort to bring a sense of compassion and empathy and a swift response to ensure that all that arrived were taken care of and protected and given an opportunity in our
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great state of massachusetts. gi>> i techno that you have a very personal relationship with the criminal justice system. you didn't meet your father until your eight years old because he was incarcerated. your twin brother and pass -- one capacity but the department -- approach i'll detainee. you said your lived experiences are through distinct lens and many of the issues the residents are facing. we will be the first black female and then your campaign you talk about police misconduct, racial disparity and criminal reform should be dealt with in a systemic matter. what is your plan for justice system reform and holding the people accountable when it comes to crime? >> there's a lot massachusetts
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can do with policing reform, criminal reform. >> as you mentioned these issues are near and dear to me. my mom actually dad when i was eight months are going to visit my father who was incarcerated. my father was incarcerated for the first year of my life when he was a sophomore and princeton. he died in the custody of -- >> i don't think massachusetts has really prioritized these issues in the past. i would absolutely do so. i see it as a continuation with the work i've done in my entire career. including pushing for a student board. the vice to find our student agencies. working really hard to bring necessary funding into certain communities. to improve community policing we'll do more for the men and women. behind bars. i think it's a place that massachusetts can also show up
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nationally. >> at the same time you are clearly saying that you want to see crime dealt with as we seek a balance. you have the endorsement of current massachusetts attorney general in the democratic nominee for governor more healy. if elected, will be the country's first lesbian governor. now, attorney general received national attention for suing the trump administration nearly 100 times during her time as ag. do you plan to follow suit of attorney general and have such a national focus, especially for next president as republican and how would you balance your choices of cases to prioritize massachusetts citizens and follow through on your campaign promises? >> i would work really hard in massachusetts to make sure not only that i get elected, but all of the incredible women
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that are running in massachusetts. it is a historic slate of candidates right now. the first woman that could be come governor and the first and likely become lieutenant governor will go to work really hard locally. i also think we're gonna work hard nationally and will be working hard to make sure our next. pleasant is indeed a democrats who don't have to go backwards as we are looking at the supreme court ruling back our constitutional protections. i will do everything in my power as attorney general massachusetts to show the national conversations related criminal reform, economic opportunity, wealth building which i think is something in age he can play an incredible role in. and on the conversation around public safety, you can have adequately resourced police departments and at the same time push for them to be diverse, accountable and transparent which is significant work that needs to be done in the country. there are significant pockets that also need to be done to.
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>> i would ask just briefly before we go, these midterms are 27 states for 2020 election deniers running for statewide office. including your state of massachusetts, who according to analysis from the united states democracy. as someone running for an office that could potentially play a role in any legal dispute over upcoming election results. how concerned are you about the health of our democracy right now? >> i'm very concerned. whether it is the suppression of votes right to vote, those denying the legitimacy of our elections. this is absolutely an opportunity for the next attorney general massachusetts -- i would work hard to make sure it's me. but to join other attorney generals across the country to also make sure that we are protecting our dorm craddock institutions. and right now, there is a lot of attorney generals across the country doing much of this work. now continue to work in partnership, building up on the legacy of our current ag.
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hazel, thomas, that is it for me. thank you for watching. i will see back here next weekend at 5 pm eastern. american voices with alicia menendez, my friend it starts right now on msnbc. >> you're the best, reverend thank you so much. hello everyone, i'm alicia menendez. we begin this sunday with new revelations from the january six committee. vice chair liz cheney saying this week's hearing on wednesday will not be the last. cheney saturday sharing an update on key witnesses for the committee. telling the texas audience that she is quote hopeful mike pence will agree to an interview. cheney says former president trump will only be allowed to testify under oath risking perjury charges for any, you know, truthfulness. cheney also suggesting that some secret service agents may have lied to the select committee. the committee is sorting through more than