the way through january 6th, 2021, they have hit that milestone, in terms of where they have finished leaving us off in the time line

and now my information is that they will go further after that, potentially telling viewers about what was happening in the white house, after january 6th we know that they have been doing depositions in this downtime period, with people like mike pompeo, and others, who were serving at the highest echelons of power in t that is one of the things they might be keeping out. but committee member after committee bumember, even as the have been mum on the details has made clear that there will be new things revealed in these hearing the at the same time, though,th halle, there is still lot of questions looming over this committee, that they still have to figure out. theth first of them that you're seeing there, ginni thomas' interview, they keep saying this will be in therv coming weeks, r expectation is that is not going to happen between today and wednesday, meaning that is not one of the things wedn will hea about during this hearing but we will likely hear more about secret service communications, that they have gotten hundreds and thousands of communications from the secretr service, and though congressman liz cheney said over the weekend that the text smessages, those key ones from t january 5th and

6th are likely themselves destroyed. but there's also the decision on whether they're going to call trump or pence, and whether those republican lawmakers who are still bucking their subpoena,e what they're going do about them, and then of course the wide sweeping question of will they be issuing criminal referrals, schiff and cheney alike sayingsc if that's the direction theyey go, they expect that the committee would be unanimous and looming over all ofbe this is when they're going to issue the final report, and if these are going to be the last hearings that we have, which if what committee members are saying, it sounds like the last of the investigative hearings but we could see more around that final report. >> to point, let me go to you. we have heard committee members in the last 24 hours promise potential for new information and stuff none of us have seen before and in fact, if the post is reporting pieces of the documentary will be revealed that we haven't previously seen, that will be checking that box, right? in many ways it seems the committee is aiming to put a

punctuation point on the summer and fall so far. >> that's right, and i think two key points raised is the? of two things. one, the documentary that our colleagues at the "post" just broke that will be shared in the hearings, expected to be shared in hearings on wednesday, goes to the heart of one of the main goals of the committee, both the their and the staff, goal is toer make it visceral, maybe it visual, and show americans at home, watching on their couches what was really going on, despite what donald trump has said, which was that it was a peaceful loving march, of good people, who didn't do anything and were invited into the capitol, well a lot of video that has been used has been to dispel that, and here, there's going to be allegedly some new material showing what roger stoneng was doing, who he was with, and what he was saying, and what he was plotting. remember, roger stone is the dirty tricks master for richard

nixon and then for donald trump. he's involved in a lot of activity, and he had a close relationship with oath keepers security. they were by his side, and one of the people who recently was, you know, interviewed ad nauseam by the department of justice was one of those people close to rogerof stone. so that pourtends something, portends something potentially interesting and i won't pretend tost know exactly what it will reveal. the second thing is the secret service material. liz cheney is exactly right. the material of the secret service sources have told me that they have turned over, in the last three to four weeks, to the committee, in different tranches, have none of the texts. they are destroyed according to the secret service. and thoseet sources have said i the meantime they've got the go-ahead t to give the committe the materials that they stopped giving them in the spring. and theyhe stopped because, forgive me, the summer, because of the inspector general told them to halt giving over that

information, because they were investigating the deletion of thoseig texts. well, now that they got the go-ahead to turn over the material, and what i'm told by sources at the secret service, that thoseat records reveal how the secret service was speaking to each other, and what's called micro soft teams messages. the equivalent of texts. when they were planning movements of then president trump, when they were planning his requests and how to handle them, for riding up to the capitolfo on the day of the attk on the capitol, his desire to march with the people, his supporters, those will be revelatory i think about what those communications were between different leadership and the secret service and how do we handle what donald trump wants to do. >> ali, as we talk about what the committee is going to do and what we'reco seeing from the committee, there is this bit of ais washington intrigue over former republican congressman rigleman and his revelation on "60 minutes" that there was a phone call he says, evidence of

a call from the white house, to a rioter, during the insurrection on january 6ngth, 2021. you've seen, we're putting up the case of the dualing statements up here, right, because the committee is distancing itselfca from rigglen basically saying he had limited knowledge of the committee's investigation, pointed out he left months ago, and riggleman's team obviously says he firmly believes the data is crucial and needed to be presented to the american people. t how should we understand this miss toors phone call and its -- mysterious phone call and its potentialio significance? >> ali vitali, if you're still with us. i think you're doing the right thing in pointing out the discrepancy between these two statements here, on the committee's part, this is a group of people who we have been watching now for months, and they are very loathe to bury a lead, and certainly they know how to drive people toward the headlines in all of these

different hearings that they have done, and they have not beenha subtle, from the conclusn that they wanted the f audienceo draw from each of them, and so the fact o that you have commite members going out over the course of last day or so, and saying in response this this riggleman revelation that it is one of thousands of revelations that the committee already o kns about, is thenea saying in a wa that they looked into this specific claim, and didn't find it, in the context of all of the larger things that they were investigated, surfacing in a front-facing way. now riggleman in the process of touring for the new upcoming book is certainly spinning it in a different way and from the committee's perspective, this is not a top t revelation that the have come across and that's why they are throwing cold water and being dismissive of it. in addition to the fact that riggleman left in april and wasn't serving for the length of time when they were doingri the bulk of their fact finding investigating. >> i wonder how you see that, to ali es ain't portion that the phone call had been brought to

the committee's attention and now that is just being dealt with. >> it is probably somewhere moderately interesting and absolutely meaningless and i think it is quite reckless and the irresponsible for the committee staffer to decide for himself what needed to be aired publicly. i mean it seems like the committee's responsibility. and frankly, they've done a pretty darn good job of it. so i don't think it ispr helpfu to put isolated phone calls without context into the public arena. if the committee thought it was compelling, they would have told us. perhaps they will tell us in the report. but taking bits and pieces of an investigation, and airing it publicly,io i think, is complety unhelpful. by the way, let's say that phone call mattered. let's imagine that you could figure out who at the white house placed a nine second call to a rioter. by airing it publicly now, and i think prematurely, you may be undermining an actual investigation. in no way is it helpful.

and perhaps in no way is it meaningful. >> before i let you go, i have to ask you about one other development that has happened today that i am curious to your legal perspective on, because the committeeus has subpoenaed e republican speaker of the republican assembly, targeted by former president donald trump, for testimony, for a phone call that he got, from f the former president in july, and they wanted the testimony by today, anded he is now suing to block e subpoena. there are some similarities i think, between when you hear it at first blush, this call to the lawmaker and the one that mr. trump made to officials in georgia, which as you well know helped spark the creation of a grand jury in fulton county that into the push by trump allies to overturn the 2020rn election. did something similar happen here? in other words, could this be a catalyst for a broader investigation, do you think? >> possibly. and we've learned, i think, the hard way, over time, that the committee, with all of the powers it has, still doesn't have the power of a grand jury.

whether state or federal. and so if this is pertinent to a criminal investigation, it's muchal easier for state or fedel investigators to compel testimony before a grand jury, than it would be for the congress of the united istates you might see something like happen in georgia, or you might see, or better stated, you might not y see, what may be happenin federal investigators, federal agents and prosecutors, considering this lead as well. because we know that they are also looking at efforts to steal theki election. so interesting development. it may not be surfaced by the congress but it may be something that criminal b investigators a prosecutors will be able to take a look at independently. >> certainly a lot of move can pieces. chuck rosenberg, thank you for your perspective. ali vitali, thank you for your reporting. carol leonig. thank you as well. we have team coverage of wednesday'sag hearing, i will b with i katy tur and andrea mitchell at noon eastern right

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right before we were coming on the air, edward snowden we found out is now a russian citizen. president vladimir putin signing a decree today granting that citizenship to snowden, the former nsa contractor behind a house investigation found to be a damaging leak of classified information an in exile for nine years and he is still a u.s. citizen, and while making this point of snowden's new russian citizenship. watch. >> mr. snowden if he returns to the united states, where he should face justice, as any other american citizen would, perhaps the only thing that has changed is that as a result of his russian citizenship, apparently now, he may well be con scripted to fight in russia's war in ukraine. >> nbc's priscilla thompson is

live with us now from london. snowden's lawyer i think is knocking that down, basically saying no, he's not going to be called up to fight, but this idea of citizenship is a significant one for snowden. >> right, his attorney is saying he will not be called up to fight because he doesn't have any previous military experience in russia. and so they don't view that as an issue for him, and that's according to a statement that was, that is being reported by russian state media, and snowden for his part has said that he will not denounce his u.s. citizenship, so the expectation is that he would have dual citizenship in both the u.s. and russia. but he has said previously that having this russian citizenship would allow him to be able to cross the borders more freely with his wife and also his young son who was born in russia, and he tweeted about this a few years ago, and after years of separation, my wife and i have no desire to be separated from

our son and that's why in this era of pandemic and cold borders we are applying for dual citizenship and raising our son with all of the values of the america we love, including the freedom to speak his mind and i look forward to the day i can return to the states so the whole family can be reunited. and snowden tweeted that back in 2020, whenever he was granted permanent residency, in russia, and that was also the time that he announced we seek full russian citizenship, but as you mentioned, he fled the united states nine years ago, this comes nine years after all of this began to unfold, but he is still a wanted man here in the united states. >> priscilla thompson, live for us in london, thank you. right now, back here in the u.s., people are being forced to evacuate along the gulf coast of florida because of ian, the hurricane, that is set toand ch home depot in tampa.

getting cleaned out. look at the gas cans and everything else that people are looking for here, the jugs of water and getting ready for the storm. the hurricane also has cuba bracing for impact and the national hurricane center says that island could see storm surges of up to 14 feet higher than normal in some spots. and that home depot you just saw, we have ellison barber with the latest and clearly the preps are happening and are serious. are people taking the storm seriously, ellison? that's kind of a big question here. >> yes, they really. are i mean look, this is exactly where that video was taken earlier and you can see, it is just me now here, an empty space. the people we have spoken to, we're floridians and when you say hurricane it won't be that we're running around panicking but they're taking it seriously. they're particularly worried about the potential for storm surge and rye trying to do everything they can now to prepare for the worse and they hope for better. listen to what we heard. >> i think with supplies, i

couldn't find a gen rater, all emptied out so i thought by chance, i would come here and they're loaded up. >> and people have a good sense of things, and honestly the surge is probably our biggest concern. for the people that are right on the water, definitely, you know, they have evacuated, as they're told to. >> so in this county, y, as of k this afternoon, a little over an hour ago, mandatory evacuations in effect, the western coastline of this county and 200,000 people live there and they're being told to evacuate now, and another zone, right next to that zone, zone b, where you have just under 100,000 people living, they are being told that there is a voluntary evacuation advisory, and part of why officials said they issued that is because they want to give people time to go ahead and make their bay out of the area and find other arrangements more inland, if they can, they say that they really do feel like this is going to be serious,

they didn't make that evacuation order likely, they say, they say that they felt like it was what they had to do in order to try and save lives, and people here, they are paying attention to it, even if they have that sort of mentality, of we've been here before and we know how to prepare and that certainly doesn't mean they are not preparing. >> ellison barber, thank you for that reporting. appreciate it. still ahead, we will take you live to rome, with italy with the first far right leader since mussolini in world war ii. first live in iran where the country's leaders are issuing tough into warnings not just to protesters but the west. we have a western reporter on the ground there. >> hey, hallie, the situation here remains tense, and we'll have more for you after the break. the break. a kohler home generator never misses a beat. it automatically powers your entire home.

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sovereignty by speaking out to support the protesters. the demonstrations have turned deadly. more than 40 people have died so far. joining us the only western tv journalist in iraq, the tehran bureau chief, we're glad you're there, and one of the things that we're seeing is the protests on the street and online but the internet is out in many parts of iran. talk about what you're seeing and the warning of western nations including the u.s. >> it started off kind of choppy when the protests started but there was worry and people were unloading videos and communicating with each other and you were able to make phone calls and able to make searches on search engines but for the last four days now, it has been completely gone. there is really no internet access in this country. it's a rolling blackout for the last four days. you can't access information on search engines. all apps are blocked. so what the government is doing is they're stopping people

firstly from communicating with each other, and from mobilizing with each other, and more importantly, they're stopping them from uploading videos of the rolling crackdown. and that's having an effect. you're not seeing as many videos now. you're not seeing people communicate with each other. and the feeling is that the protests have gotten smaller partly because of internet blackout and partly because of the massive crackdown. it is having an effect. and you can imagine what kind of effect this has on society, people are loading out and loading videos of what is going on, all of this stops where they can't get their message out and can't communicate with each other and you hear parents putting messages out saying we can't find our children, we can't talk to them when they're going through the protest and that gives a collective sense of melancholy and distress in the country and it has a huge effect on the economy, and you know, when you shut the internet down, banks don't work, and 80% of iranians have business online,

they do it via instagram, and none of that works as well, and not only is it darkening the whole society from what's going on, but it is also really hurting the economy, and that's making the move really somber here. and of course, that is coupled with warnings from the president, as you mentioned, talking about the decisive action against the people, so the atmosphere is not great here. >> ali, arouzi, live from tehran, thank you, appreciate it. to italy now where the country looks to be on track to have elected its first far right, basically neo fascist prime minister, in decades, despite the coalition winning big majorities, the first woman to hold that office in italy. and hard line stances on issues of immigration to lbgtq rights, and neo fascists. i want to bring in now from rome, our nbc news foreign

correspondent. claudio, she has been described by some as italy's donald trump. the trump of italy. but that doesn't capture the whole picture, right? walk us through what she campaigned on and the far right groups and the reaction, too, from here in the u.s. >> well, she, as you mentioned, will be leading, the leader of the first far right, who will be leading a government citizen the seconds, the second world war and the fall of mussolini. she has toned down elespecially in the last few weeks. she is on the fringes of politics, never sympathy for fascism and only got 4% of the vote in 2019. to that, yesterday, got 26% of the vote.

massive victory for them. and because of this, she has thrown that down, a and she is trying to separate from the oral fascism that was put around her, by saying that herself and the party consigned mussolini and fascism to history. still she is leading a far right party with far right policies. what does this mean at home? a hard line stance on issues like immigration, gay rights, abortion, and so forth that we've seen so many other far right parties across europe, for instance. and what does it mean for the relationship between italy and allies? especially the european union? she is being very critical of the euro, of the european union of nato in the past and she also said that she plans to keep in line with what italy has been doing up until now for ukraine which means it is giving money and weapons to ukraine. we will see of course. we still don't know whether she will be appointed as prime

minister as we expect. but we'll have to wait until october for that. >> claudio, in rome for us, thank you. big tech news, especially if you're one of the millions of people on tiktok. maybe your kids are. or your grandkids. because "the new york times" is reporting that tiktok is getting maybe a little bit closer to coming to a deal with the biden administration to stay up and running in the united states. so it is an initial deal again being reported out. the whole point is to try to ease up some national security concerns stemming from the fact that tiktok is owned by a chinese company, and lawmakers are worried, some of them about, chinese officials getting their hands on american information. and it is not like the agreement will be smooth sailing necessarily. and faces a bumpy road ahead. and there is apparently skepticism inside the biden administration that this deal could even solve some of these very long simmering national security concerns. and hear what sources are saying, "new york times" justice department reporter katie benner and msnbc contributor.

it is important to know that the two sides have hammered out a foundation of the deal. what does it look like? what are the details? and what are the hurdles? >> sure, for the foundation, there are three main things. first of all, tiktok would not store any data on servers in china full stop. all of the data would be, all of the american data would be stored in the united states. i think that's a really, probably the biggest hurdle, one of the most important thing and also the algorithms, the secret sauce that shows individual users various videos, that algorithm will be monitored by a u.s. company, that company is oracle. and just to make sure that propaganda is not being fed to americans, and various other national security concerns. and then, you know, third, in the deal, there's going to be a board that looks at tiktok for security concerns, reporting to the u.s. government, and one of the interesting things is these sorts of measures would make tiktok in the end one of the most scrutinized social media companies for americans, and in some ways, could make it even safer than some of the u.s. companies that really stand up

to none of that scrutiny. however, as you mentioned, there are a lot of hurdles in part because people are worried that we will not be hard enough on china in the course of doing this deal. >> and that brings us to the politics element of this, one of the things you write in your piece, if completed, an agreement with the biden administration is likely to be highly scrutinized, as tiktok has become a symbol of the cold war-like atmosphere in relationship between beijing and washington. talk through some of those political implications. >> absolutely. so within the biden administration, you have people like deputy attorney general lisa monaco who has cast a wary gaze upon china and you have republicans who ro r-convinced that the biden administration is not hard enough on china full stop. so any deal that allows a popular app to be continuing to be owned by a chinese company will be ripped apart by republicans but if this sort of deal is finished by the midterms, which is very unlikely, it would open up democrats across the board to

accusations that the biden administration and democrats are not hard enough on china and not hard enough on national security. so this is a really political item, no matter when a deal should be and will be finalized. people will scrutinize it, to see whether or not they believe that the biden administration is adequately protecting americans from chinese influence. >> will any of this change the user experience, for those who use tiktok and it is a huge platform as you know for the g-zs among us in particular. is it going to look any different or no. >> in theory, you will see exactly what you saw. so if you are somebody who sees a lot of music on tiktok and videos and dancing, that will not change and really the only thing that will change is behind the scene, your data will remain in the united states of america. and it will not be hosted in china. and the algorithm that it serves you, the dance videos or whatever it is that you really like, that should not change either. it will be just be closely monitored to make sure that there are no national security

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in a few minutes from now, we expect to see president biden at the white house on the left-hand side of the screen lay out some new rules for airlines. to try to frankly make up for a tough summer for travelers and set to show that online agencies have to be totally transparent and societally disclose fees for checked bags an what does it mean for you? more transparency is the hope. you don't have to go through the

whole process and being told you owe whole lot more and x plus a bunch once the fees were added on. it comes after the summer travelers saw 40% more complaints than the years about airlines. joins us from the white house front lawn, secretary pete buttigieg. thank you for being on the show. >> thanks for having me on. >> a couple of things here. we laid out the 60 day comment period and the finalization, when do people expect to see the changes and how long will it take? >> it will take a little time for it to be finalized because we want to get input from anybody who is affected so if you are a passenger, you have a view on this, part of what the process called for is you have a chance right now to go to our website, and make your feelings known. but i also hope that the airlines will respond very quickly to this. you know, one of the things that we did just a few weeks ago, speaking of transparency, was we created a dashboard on our website, making clear exactly what you can expect, when you have a cancellation or a delay

that an airline is responsible for. and it was amazing, just in the space of a few days, the effect that that had on the airline's behavior. i wrote all of the ceos a letter and saying we will put this information out in a couple of weeks so this will be a great final for the consumer service plans and in a number of days, the number of airlines out of the top ten airlines who would guarantee in writing that they will get you vouchers for hotel and meals and that kind of thing went from zero to nine out of ten. so yes, the rule has to go through some steps but i hope the airlines won't wait for that to happen, to start being more transparent, and taking care of passengers and in a new and better way. >> you talked about wanting to see a potentially quicker response from airlines and we are already seeing some response from airlines, pushing back, basically saying companies already do this, in a statement they say, companies already offer transparency to consumers, adding that airlines are, and i'm quoting here, committed to providing the highest quality of service, which includes clarity, regarding of prices, fees and

terms. mr. secretary, how do you respond to that? >> if they're already doing that, that shouldn't be a problem but i think right now, we still have too many situations where passengers, you think you're getting a low for example you think you're getting a great deal but it wasn't obvious what the fees were that you can expect if you have, you know, if you have a change issue, or checked bags, and in some cases, even to sit next to members of your family, all of that should be extremely clear, you shouldn't have to click on some link to a different web page that has a bunch of fine print, the airlines should make it clear on their own website and they should disclose all of that information to any of the ticket agents that you might be buying a ticket from. so again, if they feel they're already doing this, great. this will nobody skin off their back. if they haven't been doing this, they need, to and that's what this proposed rule will call. >> there is something in this rule that addresses staffing shortages for example, some of the things that are driving, and some cases ticket prices up, and

correct me if i'm wrong, but this is basically telling us exactly what you're paying and is not helping to drive the costs down. what else may be in the works on that? >> one thing that helps keep costs down, is you have a true marketplace with real competition, because then, passengers can't compare, it's easy to see the different products, and their respective prices, next to each other. and that's how the marketplace is supposed to work. but we all know in reality, especially if you have a somewhat complicated product like an airline ticket, sometimes it doesn't work that way, and that's the whole idea of the competition council that the president is going to be leading in a few moments, where we'll be talking about this issue and a number of other steps the administration is take a year ago, he issued an executive order calling on different departments and agencies including mine to take steps to make sure that passengers, customers, do get the best possible deal, and what we found is, you know, and there is a very good competition, that is one of the things that allows prices to increase if there isn't very good competition, and if you make that information

available, that can often lead to not only a better shopping or traveling experience, but that can create an environment where you have better competition and lower prices. >> bigger picture, pull back for a second, because i sure don't have to tell you that summer was a huge headache for a lot of folks trying to fly. here we, are almost october and they booked tickets for thanksgiving, a travel holiday less than two months away and things will be less messy for traveler than they did over the summer? >> i can't make guarantees on behalf of the airlines but i've been encouraged by what we've seen and ever since we have taken actions across the summer, we had some days, beginning with the memorial day travel weekend, where we just had unacceptable calculations. i tack a look at the september numbers. we're back in the neighborhood of about 1% when it comes to cancellation rates so far this month. and the truth is, that they will never be zero. you know, sometimes we have weather, other issues that really are inevitable. and you don't want to see it rise much higher than 1%.

certainly not to 3, 4, even higher levels that we saw in the summer. i know the difference from 1 to 3% doesn't sound like a lot, but in practice, that's where the system really gets jammed up and you can feel that in your experience. so we're seeing some of the hiring start to catch up a number of airlines, to their credit, have begun offering much better pay for pilots and other employees where we've seen a lot of staffing come up short, and it has been part of the issue. and we're working on anything that we can do, for example, on the air traffic control side, to make sure that we're coordinating well, in terms of operations, and anything else that can lead to a smoother system. so definitely seeing things moving into the right direction, but not yet certain, without continued pushing on where we need to be. >> all right, secretary pete buttigieg, thank you, someone who is traveling herself on thanksgiving, we are hoping for the best. appreciate it. our team has a closer look of former president trump's embrace of q-anon.

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former president trump more and more lately, not just from his re-posting of memes and references on his social media platform, but also again apparently over the weekend, closing outs a rally with music that is essentially identicaled to their is diving into this story for us. >> over the last five years, we could say the movement had a fringe element of the far right, but that's harder to say now when over the past month, donald trump, has overtly embraced it. take a look. it's scenes like this when donald trump's embrace of qanon became clear. >> we will fight for america like no one has ever before. >> the former president in rallies over the last week closing with the song -- >> and in no condition to lead our country. >> that's the title of the movement's theme song and trump has reposted a flurry of qanon

memes on his social media account. >> i believe he has the military behind him and biden is going to be gone. >> what do you mean, gone? >> he's going to go to jail for treason. >> the movement believes there's a cabal of satan worshipping pedophiles. do you think democrats leaders should be executed? >> anybody that's treason. >> the reach of the movement is enormous and you're seeing the ideas of qanon worm their way into places they never would have before. but the movement has become more than memes, slogans and internet rabbit holes. >> my dad thought he'd carry out martial law. >> 21-year-old rebecca and other close family members say her

father grew isolated working from home during the pandemic and became so obsessed with qanon -- >> he got a gun and tried to kill everyone in my family. he would have tried to kill me, too, if i was there. >> on september 11th, he killed rebecca's mother, the family dog, and shot her sister. he was then killed in a standoff with police who say they are investigating a specific motive. how was your dad before this? >> he was a totally different person. and i can say i think i started reading him before this happened. i started realizing he's not the same person i grew up with. >> the once fringe movement festered. >> they don't have to be -- to follow qanon. >> we the people make up q. >> we've all been waiting and

we're ready. >> i think there are a lot of families who are impacted by this and nobody takes it seriously. >> what would be your message to donald trump? >> i think he should have some integrity and try to denounce these people. >> when looking at rebecca's story here, we know of families all across this country who have all but essentially last loved ones, friends, who have gone down the spiral of the dark, violent, serious tunnel that is the movement here. an entanglement of violence. you hear them. a suggestion that's there's going to be mass executions in this country. we have watched people go down this tunnel and it's tough while we're talking to experts who follow polls. it's tough to bring people out. and rebecca told me she was hoping her dad would snap out of it, but especially over the last two years, he just went further and further down and every time she tried to suggest he was

wrong, there were not going to be mass blackouts, the storm was not coming, he would distance himself more and more. and there's a reality at play that if donald trump has overtly embraced the movement, we've heard silence from others in the republican party. >> important reporting. glad you're sharing on this show. thank you. new today now, in mississippi, newly released texts are giving new clues and how the nation's poorest state ended up dolling out welfare money to brett farve. they show that he asked the governor for help fund raising for volleyball facilities. he says the money is quote, tightly controlled and improper use could result in violation of federal law. and in a separate string of texts, he said we need your help big time. we have to follow the law, adding he's quote, too old for federal prison, smiley face

emoji, sun glass emoji. i'm going to bring in ken. talk to us about the texts. the significance in this investigation here. >> this new filing by the former governor really points the finger at favre, but we should recognize this is essentially the former governor defending himself from allegations he knew or should have known that this was federal welfare money going to places it should not gone including$5 million to build this volleyball facility. this filing goes into a lot of detail about how long and relentlessly brett favre lobbied the governor to get this money and even after auditors began raising questions. favre was relentless. favre was under increasing

pressure. his weekly radio show was suspended. his lawyer did not return my calls today although he spoke with me in the past. we have no indication that favre is the target of a criminal investigation, but this thing is growing more and more serious. the former mississippi welfare director pleaded guilty last week and has agreed to cooperate with the fbi. a lot of people believe phil bryant has the information about it. so that may explain this filing today. >> thank you for that. and thanks for watching another busy hour of msnbc. you can find highlights from the show on twitter and on our streaming channel, nbc news now. tonight and every weeknight for show number two, 5:00 eastern. see you then. deadline white house will start right here after the break. whi right here after the break

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it's 4:00 in the east. the panel tasked with investigating the capitol insurrection wants the public to understand that january 6 was a premeditated and deliberate hit on american democracy, that in the word of jamie raskin. they also want the public to know the people behind it are still out there. keep that in mind as we see a steady stream of news and development into the investigation into january 6th. the latest revelation comes thanks to former adviser and frequent guest on this program, denver riggleman. he's releasing a book as a behind the scenes look at the committee. he writes that a call was placed from the white house to a member of the mob who was on the grounds of the u.s. capitol on the 6th. >> you get a real a ha moment when you see that the white house switchboard had connected to a rioter's phone. that's a big a