were responding to reports of a road rage incident, but she has not been charged. >> that does it for me. you can also catch me on the katie phang show right here on msnbc and stream new original episodes on the msnbc hub on peacock on thursdays and fridays as well. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> it will be certainly, i think, my recommendation, my feeling that we should make referrals. but we will get to a decision as a committee, and we will all abide by that decision, and i will join our committee members if they feel differently. >> the january 6th hearings return this week, and there are new revelations tonight about who was talking and texting to whom before and during that attack on the capitol. plus, a former member of the oath keepers joins me tonight as

its leader stewart rhodes gets ready to stand trial, facing allegations he helped to plot to end the transfer of power through violence. >> plus, young iranians risking everything to demand an end to ultra conservative religious government oppression and violence against women and the outrage is only growing. >> we begin with the return of the house january 6th committee. we are now less than 48 hours from the committee's next public hearing on wednesday. committee members remain mostly tight lipped about what evidence will be presented. congressman adam schiff indicated it would be sweeping. still unclear is whether the committee will bring up a significant allegation from its former technical adviser, denver riggleman, who told 60 minutes that a call was placed by the white house switchboard to a cell phone linked to someone in the mob that day. >> you get a real aha moment when you see that the white house switchboard had connected to a rioter's phone while it's

happening. that's a pretty big aha moment. >> wait a minute. someone in the white house was calling one of the rioters while the riot was going on? >> on january 6th, absolutely. >> you know who both ends of that call -- >> i only know one end of that call. i don't know the white house end, which i believe is more important. >> those comments seem to expose tensions between the committee and riggleman, a former republican congressman who like mark meadows was a member of the so-called freedom caucus. jamie raskin confirmed the committee is aware of the call. >> can't say anything specific about that particular call, but we're aware of it. and we're aware of lots of contacts between people in the white house and different people that were involved, obviously, in the coup attempt and the insurrection. >> a statement from a committee spokesperson seemed to downplay riggleman's claims, saying in his role on the select committee staff, mr. riggleman had limited knowledge of the committee's

investigation. he departed from the staff in april prior to our hearings and much of our most important investigative work. according to the cnn, the call in question was made at 4:34 p.m., shortly after the former president released a video telling the mob to go home, and lasted just nine seconds. still, in his interview, riggleman is releasing a book on his work with the committee, said former chief of staff mark meadows' text messages provide a road map of the evolution of the january 6th plot. in fact, according to cnn, newly obtained texts show one of meadows' communications was with elect denier phil waldron about a plot to seize voting machines in the key states of arizona and georgia. meanwhile, riggleman's book also includes details about trump allies including former adviser roger stone. he noted investigators identified stone had two calls with former oath keepers chief stewart rhodes nine days after the attack. and calls before and after the 6th with proud boys leader

enrique tarrio. tarrio and rhodes are charged with seditious conspiracy for their involvement. in the meantime, we're getting some indications of what the committee does plan to present on wednesday. "the washington post" reports that the committee intends to show footage of stone recorded by danish filmmakers in the weeks leading up to the 6th. and joining me is charles coleman jr., former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. peter strzok, former fbi counterintelligence, and a writer for the bulwark. the committee seems to be downplaying what denver riggleman has to say. yes, he's not on the staff now, yes, he's writing a book, but i watched the entire 60 minutes interview, and i have to say, i can't think of an innocent reason anyone in the white house would pick up the phone, even for nine seconds, and call somebody who is actively engaged in the insurrection in that moment. can you think of an innocent explanation why the white house

switchboard would just happen to connect with one of the insurrectionists? >> well, joy, that's a good question. i think it is worth noting that the committee both members specifically like congressman raskin and also broadly were putting out these statements urging caution. i take that with a certain amount of value in terms of how we're evaluating this information. it seems to me what we don't want to do is get too focused on any one element that might be rebutted or may or may not be relevant and instead, we shouldn't lose focus of the much broader issue, that is we're moving to the point, certainly that we're seeing january 6th committee doing it, but also the fbi and doj and people they're putting in the grand jury, the people they're charging, communications up to and at the level that are involving people at the white house. we're seeing text after text with mark meadows reporting that he not only was in contact with a lot of these january 6th members, but also his active involvement in the efforts to overturn state election results.

so we're seeing a variety of communications that are going now into the white house. right up to and next to trump, so when the committee says, hey, let's be careful and cautious about any one particular call, i think that's worth noting because i do think the risk is if we focus too much on one particular call, we're going to lose sight of the much bigger, much more concerning picture that i anticipate we're going to hear a lot about this coming wednesday. >> i think that's fair, that is absolutely fair. but the thing is, and i'm going to go to you, charles, and come back to you, peter, because what's emerging is that you have mark meadows in touch with multiple people, which indicates that he's not playing the role as trump's chief of staff of trying to stop this. and you got a little bit of this from the previous hearings. the role he's playing seems to be somebody who is trying to help make the coup happen. this is also some cnn reporting. phil waldron, and this guy phil waldron, for those of you who

don't remember him, he was presented in one of the hearings. a former army colonel, a friend of michael flynn, an ally of michael flynn. he assembled this 38-slide powerpoint presentation outlining a plan to overturn the election, sent that powerpoint to mark meadows. and to republican lawmakers. and helped draft this executive order directing the department of justice to seize voting machines, working with rudy giuliani to gain access to voting machines. this guy was very much involved in the coup plot. he's also texting meadows. phil waldron texts meadows on december 23rd, well before the insurrection. then arizona judge had dismissed a lawsuit filed by friendly gop lamakers. he characterized arizona as our lead domino we were counting on to start the cascade, referring to similar states such as georgia, and meadows response, pathetic. this makes me think this guy is somebody they need to hear from live. what do you make of all the

connections that appear to lead right back to mark meadows? >> well, joy, i have said for a long time that mark meadows' testimony and what he knows is absolutely critical if there ever is going to be a concrete link drawn between the actions of many of the rioters on january 6th that were a coordinated effort to overthrow america's democracy and donald trump. he is the linchpin that is necessary in order to tie that together. we already know everything we need to about the narrative. we know these people were unquestionably anti-democratic. they were unquestionably anti-fair election. we don't know, however, how much of a connection donald trump had to the actual coordination of what we saw happen, and that's why the criminal referrals and the notion of a criminal referral to the doj is absolutely paramount. if you get a unanimous criminal referral from this select committee to the doj, it puts it squarely on merrick garland to make a decision as opposed to not getting that referral or

what that referral actually looks like gives contours and who's named in the referral. mark meadows is absolutely a key figure in putting all this together and tying it up in a way that the doj and merrick garland can do something with, with regards to putting together an indictment and potential prosecution. >> and tim, i want to bring you into this conversation, too. here's the challenge, is there's a small group of players whose named keep popping up. kind of like the mueller report. you hear the same names. one of those names is roger stone. he's somebody we know had relationships with members of the proud boys. he knows the oath keepers. he knows these people. he's using some of them as his body guards. i want to play a piece of tame from just to confirm from my producers, november of 2020, november of 2020. this is roger stone talking about what he thinks should be done. we know at this point trump has lost, he knows he's lost. he doesn't want to leave the office. this is actually -- i'm sorry, this is before the election happens.

sorry, thanks to my producer in my ear. here is roger stone. go. >> excellent. let's get right to the violence. shoot to kill. shoot to kill. done with this [ bleep ]. >> all right, tim. i mean, you're up. this is before the election even happens. roger stone says f the voting. let's get right to the violence. your thoughts. >> look, roger stone has been a pernicious and criminal element of donald trump's team going all the way back to 2015. peter can talk about this going back to the mueller report, but roger stone has obviously been kind of an outside heavy, if you will, for donald trump, dating back to even before he ran for president this last time. it's clearly the case this time.

i think one of the things we could hear more about from january 6th committee or riggleman, et cetera, is the extent to the conversations he was having with active white house people. we know he was coordinating with the proud boys. we know he is in the extended circle of donald trump and that he's meeting with bannon and some of these other characters at the willard on the day of january 6th. and so to the extent you can directly connect him, that makes an impact, but there's a lot we already know just about his criminal impact in trump's orbit. >> and peter, stone pops up as an ati-small d democratic figure in 2016 and 2020. he doesn't seem to believe in democracy. doesn't seem to believe in elections. he simply believes in having his preferred person in power, regardless of what outside help he has to get. what do you make of that tape, before we cast a vote, he was

already saying, f the elections, let's get right to the violence? >> well, clearly shows, joy, there's some anticipation that, one, there would be violence, and two, it was part of potentially a plan people were envisioning as a way to protest or upset or somehow cause change within the electoral results. i think it's really interesting that based on what he's saying in that tape, he's clearly also looking at a phone, presumably at messages sent back and forth. i'm very curious what the committee and certainly what the fbi and doj are able to recover. because i have no expectation that roger stone is ever voluntarily going to talk. much like i don't have much of an expectation mark meadows would. the goal of what doj is doing, and you pointed it out that stewart rhodes' trial starts this week for seditious conspiracy. the goal is to build cases where you have some sort of criminal case against people like roger stone, against people like mark meadows, and present to them a choice. look, you can cooperate, work down the charges, you know, maybe get no jail time, or if

you don't cooperate, you're going to go to jail. and that's the way when you get to this level, that's what you're going to need to do to get people to flip to talk about specifically what i think we're all interested in, what did trump know, what was trump doing, what was trump saying, and the only way you're going to get that is from people like roger stone, people like mark meadows. so it doesn't surprise me. i completely agree with tim. stone has a history of not only advocating for violence, just racist misogynistic, horrible hateful statements and behave. . this is absolutely what we have seen in the past and it doesn't surprise me at all to hear these statements coming from him. >> can we play the tape again? this is november of 2020, before the election took place. let's play it again. >> excellent. f the voting. let's get right to the violence. >> get right to it. >> shoot to kill. cnn antifa, shoot to kill.

done with this [ bleep ]. >> so charles, this is cnn exclusive footage, we should make sure we credit them with that, but this is going to allegedly be played by the committee. we're going to see this again tomorrow. it says a storm forehold at the top, which sounds like qanon talk. what would you make of it just from a prosecutorial standpoint if you're looking at roger stone as part of a conspiracy? >> clearly, joy, on one hand if you're thinking about the connection that stone has to the rioters or anyone else, you want to know who he was in touch with because it helps bring the narrative around intent that makes very clear the intent that roger stone had and likely communicated to anyone who was on the ground, so to speak, and participating in the january 6th riots. if you look the other direction, meaning where they were getting the directives from, that's where you have the opportunity to link it to someone higher and understand exactly where was this ideology developed, who shared it, and how was it

communicated, and who else shared that sort of point of view that he was in touch with. so i think it's important that people look at it from both sides. number one, who was giving stone instructions that was going to guide him in this way to frame it so he was saying what he was saying? number two, who was he actually communicating that to? and what did they do? so when you look at it from both sides, it really has a lot of usefulness as a prosecutor if you're thinking about how to put together a case or a narrative around a clear intent that stone is communicating during this taping, where it came from, and ultimately what happened with it, and how you can make him responsible as well as whoever actually originated responsible for what happened on january 6th. >> last word to you on this, tim. here's the problem. all the characters we're talking about are mainstream parts of the republican party right now and are still mainstream parts of the republican party. the thinkers if you want to call it that, behind republican politics. what is the party to do if there's no one standing against

this? i don't see a single voice in the party that is opposing this, which is i presume, their strategy going forward too? >> liz cheney is the voice -- >> other than liz cheney. >> yeah, you're right. she's literally in an interview i was with her in austin where she does this interview, it sounds as if she'll be supporting the democrat for governor in some of these races. that's where we're at because she's not welcome despite her position. so look, i think it shows you the hubris that there's this danish documentary cruel following them. the alex holder documentary, they truly feel like they're above the law. mark meadows is sending these texts, the electoral college has already met. all this stuff is already done. so all of -- it's the hubris of all these guys to feel like they're above the law and they can continue to push this, and i think you're exactly right, it seems so obvious there should be

people speaking out. that's why the liz cheney thing is so courageous and frustrating. why doesn't everybody sound like her. it's so obvious this is wrong and the state of affairs, she's vanquished to the other party. >> one more, adam kinzinger. that's it, you have a party of two. by the way, the people involved in the insurrection taped it and put it on their social media. that's how confident they were that they could get away with it. incriminated themselves and now they're shocked they're getting in trouble. charles, peter, tim, thank you all very much. >> up next, stewart rhodes, hiname is really elmer, goes on trial tomorrow. he faces 20 years in the slammer for his role in the attempt to violently overthrow the democratically elected government on january 6th. a former member who quit the oath keepers joins me next. announcer: type 2 diabetes? discover the power of 3 in the ozempic® tri-zone.

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will begin in the seditious conspiracy trial of five members of the oath keepers including the leader, elmer stewart rhodes. they will attempt to paint a picture of the extreme lengths they were willing to go to keep donald trump in the white house both on and before january 6th. according to his indictment, rhodes' call to arms began days after the 2020 election. on november 5th, rhodes privately messaged a group of

oath keepers writing, we aren't getting through this without a civil war. five days later, he went on alex jones' info wars show to announce he had armed men stationed outside washington prepared to go in to prevent trump from being removed from office. in the first couple of days of 2021, court documents say rhodes spent more than $1500 on guns including an ar-platform rifle, magazines, and other equipment. on the day of the insurrection, you can see them there entering the capitol in full military gear. since rhodes formed the oath keepers in 2009, it has grown to be one of the largest antigovernment groups in u.s. history, as the group's former spokesperson told the january 6th committee back in july. >> i spent a few years with the oath keepers. and i can tell you that they may not like to call themselves a militia but they are. they're a violent militia. and they are largely stewart rhodes.

>> joining me now is the man you just saw, and he's the former spokesperson for the oath keepers and the author of the forthcometic book, the perils of extremist, how i left the oath keepers and why we should be concerned about a future civil war. good to talk to you again, jason. let's get right to this. i want to read you a little bit of prosecutors are going to do in this trial that starts tomorrow of elmer, who calls himself stewart rhodes. prosecutors plan to call as many as 40 witnesses over a projected five week trial, draw from 800 statements from those charges and summarize tens of thousands of messages, hundreds of hours of video footage and phone calls location and financial records according to the original proceedings. three oath keepers members have pleaded guilty to the seditious conspiracy charge. what do you expect, what would you anticipate the defense might be, because it seems pretty clear what the plan was? >> you know, i think it's very much going to be these were just

words. we were just acting tough.n it. and a certain amount of some of the tactics we saw with the prosecutions against the bundies and some of these other things going on, and watch what trump's been doing and what he's going to be doing legally because i think we're going to see some parroting there as well. >> do you, knowing these people, knowing elmer rhodes, how serious do you think they were about overthrowing the government? >> i think they were absolutely serious. i think if things had gone just a little bit differently, we would be living in a different reality right now. you know, if you look at his words and his messaging he was putting out just the night before, at the speeches, with what has been released with the prosecution, the messaging that was happening, specifically like on signal and behind the scenes, i think that's really where we see where his state of mind was. and you know, if things had just gone -- if trump had walked down to the capitol building, i think

stewart's actions would have been completely different. >> do you get the sense that what he was doing, keeping in mind for our audience you were not involved at the time, but just from knowing this person, what's the likelihood in your view that he would have done this without some sort of connection to someone like a mark meadows, to the white house, that he was doing this free-lance without any knowledge of the trump team? >> oh, no. i think they had lines of communication open with the trump team going back to the campaign. i think that they were actively trying to open those lines both from the militia side and from the white house side, from the campaign side. i think that they probably connected up a while back. i think without that type of connection, you know, he may have showed up as like a protest, but nothing like he was there. because it seemed like he was getting messaging, like he was taking orders from trump.

>> let me play, and i don't know if we still have it, ask my director, do we still have this video from the cnn video? we won't play it for now. we know there is video now that is going to be played by the january 6th committee, and it shows roger stone before the election even happened saying f the voting, let's get to the violence. that was the attitude before the election even happened. in your view, was that the same attitude that stewart rhodes had? >> yeah, i think so. i mean, he was talking about how we don't get out of this without a civil war. this is the messaging he's been, you know, putting out there time and time again since, you know, the early days. it's just gotten more and more extreme and more and more violent. before he was talking about what would be termed a cold civil war. but really, he's talking about a hot civil war now, and that's part of the messaging. that messaging is ratcheted up over time, and we saw that with the culmination of january 6th.

>> and would he have needed to believe that the election was really actually stolen or did he just not believe that the people who voted for joe biden were legitimate and should have their way? >> i don't think he cared either way. i think, yeah, i think that mostly he just doesn't like the left side of things and wanted to see trump who gave him a road to authority and authenticity, as a clandestine militia leader, he wanted to see him stay in power. >> let me play this video. i think we do have it now. here is roger stone before the election. >> excellent. [ bleep ] the voting, let's get right to the violence. >> shoot to kill. cnn antifa, shoot to kill. done with this [ bleep ]. >> the roger stone saying f the voting, let's get right to the violence. what was the relationship as you know it between roger stone and

stewart rhodes? >> well, we know that there was some sort of communication going on because oath keepers were providing security the day before. and it is my understanding that, you know, way back during the campaign, roger stone, from my thought process, is probably the one who was reaching out to these militia leaders. and trying to open lines of communication. so he probably was one of the major players when it comes to some of these extremist groups and backwater communication to the white house. >> jason, thank you very much. really appreciate you being here. again, thank you. >> still ahead, nationalistic fascism is on the rise. not just here. not just here in america, but around the world as well. more on that and how the forces of freedom are fighting back, next.

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should note is not in iran, makes the case that international attention is crucial for movements to succeed. likening the monumental impact of george floyd's death to another death in police custody, this time in iran where 22-year-old mahsa amini, a kurdish woman, died in the custody of iran's morality police. she had been detained for violating iran's war requiring women to wear head scarves. for nearly two weeks the streets of iran have erupted in protests over her death, morphing into aten-government rallies and widing calls for freement and women's rights. women are leading the charge, cutting their hair and burning head scarves, washing the streets without their hijab. in response, authorities have cut off internet access while accusing western leaderoffs trying to violate iran's sovereignty. joining me the senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for peace. thank you for being here.

let's get into this because this has been extraordinary to watch. friends of mine who are from iran who still have family here have been saying to me, this is different. this is not like the green revolution felt monumental, how in your view is this different? >> certainly, joy, as you put it, what's different about this is that it's young women who have been leading these protests, and there's been a beautiful slogan that you have heard from the protesters. in persian, they say -- it means women, life, and freedom. so this has been unique. and it's men standing alongside their women as well. and so, you know, virtually every facet of society has been outraged by the idea that a young 22-year-old girl with her life ahead of her could be killed simply for showing a

little too much hair. >> yeah, and i'm just going to read from samira mohyeldin, a journalist, i was born in tehran. she said the green movement had spokes people and was very organized. the current iteration is making it difficult for the government of iran to put down because they don't know who to go after. the other piece, and i have heard you say this before. i would love you to talk about it with our audience. this is also a reaction against the gerontocracy in iran. a right wing religious movement that isn't that old. this is since i was in junior high school, only in 1983 i believe was this law passed after this 1979 revolution that forced women to completely cover, right? this isn't new. iran was a normal modern country. >> yeah, in fact, right after the religious zealots took power, ayatollah khomeini in 1979, one of the first things which all these islamist groups and we saw it most recently in afghanistan with the taliban, is go after women's freedoms.

segregate men and women in schools. limit their professional opportunities, and they're obsessed with the head scarf and the veil, and the parallel i sometimes make are antiquated judges we sometimes saw in the west that would blame sexual assault victims by saying they were wearing improper clothing. when you listen to the justification from iran's religious leaders about why women should wear head scarves, it's partly because they think, they claim they will incite men if their hair is uncovered. >> and so this, you know, do you think this is sustainable in the sense that it might shake that leadership? because these people who led that revolution are now in their 80s. these are old men, and these are young people in a country that is predominantly young. >> so this is a regime which is not sustainable, joy. and it's proven incapable of reform. it's now in its 43rd year and still killing women for not covering their hair, and you're

43, and we know from some of the great philosophers, political philosophers like machiavelli that the most dangerous moment for any bad government is when it tries to reform. so iran's supreme leader is 83 years old. he's totally committed to the status quo. and they're not amenable to reform, so what that means is essentially it's an all or nothing proposition. either they crush people and they stay in power or the system falls. unfortunately, we have seen this many times before, that they are able to successfully crush popular will and it's too early to assess this time the bravery of the young people is certainly enormous. but we have to say the odds are against them. >> and do you think it's important, you know, we're doing this story because we're fascinated by it and i think these women are so brave and i have great respect for them. we played an actor in the very top who is british and iranian. he says the attention helps. do you think that's true?

because they're cutting off telegram and cutting off whatsapp and trying to cut these young people off from the outside world. do you think that the outside attention actually helps susin the mumpt? >> it does, the outside attention is really critical and shining a light on people. people want to feel that the world is with them. you know, over the weekend, elon musk has voiced support for getting his starlink internet kits into iran to inhibit the iranian regime's ability to shut off the internet so they can kill in the dark. so absolutely i think the outside solidarity, condemnation, is critical. and joy, i would argue this is one of those few moments in international geopolitics where it's a pretty black and white moment. it's like apartheid south africa. you know, no one, even iran's allies in moscow, pyongyang and

beijing, no one is going to defend the persecution of women for showing too much hair. >> and women around the world do want individual liberty and autonomy, and that is everywhere, not just in iran. kareem, thank you so much. really appreciate you being here. >> up next, encouraging signs that legislators may finally be ready to actually do something about the ongoing water crisis in jackson, mississippi. more on that and the latest on the brett favre fraud scandal after this. people remember ads with young people having a good time. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's a pool party. ♪ good times. insurance! ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ power e*trade's award-winning trading app makes trading easier.

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state in the country. but that did not stop status status from treating it like a bank for the projects. the associated press reports that two years after he secured millions of dollars from that fund, for his daughter's college volleyball team, he went back to the republican governor, phil bryant, to ask for more money, from another facility for the university of southern mississippi's football team. but the request went nowhere, neither favre nor brian have been charged. and favre has claimed that his fund-raiser went honorable. now it's worth disgusting, but not entirely surprising, with state legislatures, consistently failing mississippi's most vulnerable, including the people who live in the state capital, jackson. long neglected by the state with low income citizens living in squalor conditions with no access to clean water. congressman benny thompson who represents the city has accused state leaders of intentionally

withholding resources. favre sent a text to get some action. according to politico, house appropriators are considering sending the city $200 million to finally address the city's crumbling this dysfunctional water system. in the meantime, a group of jackson residents are seeking class action status, filing suits against city officials, accusing them of ignoring the water system for years. joining me now, bishop william barber, co-chair of the peoples campaign, who just led a march in the state capital. and brooke floyd, a jackson resident and activist was demanding that the state governor to more. thank you both for being here. only start with you, brooke. i know it's your state, you and your twins live in the suburb of jackson, that you don't think the tap water because your doctors warn you about the lead levels. this sounds like an ongoing long systemic problem. what do you make of this idea of suing the city? is the city to blame? or is the state? >> i actually live in jackson.

i'm a resident of jackson. and no, this is a problem that is going on for decades. and i believe that the citizens have every right to sue the state of mississippi for neglect and not preparing our infrastructure years ago. >> and jackson has the leadership, as a leadership in jackson, they've gone back and forth to the state, and we're seeing bread favre get millions and millions of daughters, and jackson, seemingly getting nothing? >> our mayor, as far back as i can remember, have asked state leaders for assistance, in repairing our aging infrastructure. they have not received it. not received a large enough amount to offer there appears that we needed. and so, here we are, our system failed. and we are still going to experience t the winterdone is e

some patchwork, okay? the state has not fixed it yet, so that is why we are here today. that's why we are demanding that our water systems be fixed, that our pipes be fixed, that our children are no longer exposed to lead and copper, and bad things in that water, because we deserve clean water. >> bishop, i remember when you watched moral mondays in north carolina. this was the denial of health care to the residents there. you are relaunching that in jackson, mississippi, in mississippi. your thoughts on this decision-making about where to spend money, on sports festive facilities that favre and his daughter benefited, not on jackson? >> you know, it's hard for me not to say what is said about mississippi. but for about nine years, you see all of this fever that's alleged to happen between the government and favre, and yet,

not only they're stealing money, allegedly, they're stealing the money that comes from poor people. we look at what's going on with his family. we look at the fact that the mayor has had a plan, jackson has had a plan. we relied on the city. we looked at the fact that the city voted to tax itself to fix it, and then, the state government and the governor blocked it from using their own money to fix the problem. what you have here is a group of folks who attempt they want privatization. they want to own the city. they want to own the -- they want to steal the money. they don't want for people to have any effect. what's happening here, for low income people, everybody is standing up, because this water is hurting black people and women, and men, disabled, latinos, white people. and this is the first. we started work around with 17 people. they have 20 times more people than here. and this is just confirms. what they're not gonna do is allow patchwork, and continue to do the same work. people are tired of having to

watch their babies in poisoned water. they're tired of it. it happens year after year because the state and the government has been more interested in blocking fixing what needs to be fixed, and helping fix what needs to be fixed. the state, the federal government, engineers, all of them could get in here and do this. my sister, my sister mallory just said, if this was anywhere else, if this was in an affluent community, this would not be happening. this would not be happening. this is happening here because of that, where people are standing up and deciding that they're not going to be a silent or applied anymore on those residents. and we've organized for years about this. this is not starting. these people have been organizing for years. -- >> indeed, i was gonna ask, if you could just describe for us what it is like to live in a city? because we saw this with flynn, a city without water, you know, a city where you don't have access to water that comes out of your tap. >> it's frustrating.

it's overwhelming, as a parent. when the water is gone, schools are closed. you know, your kids are at home. they are learning at home. i know this whole country dealt with that during the pandemic, but this has happened before the pandemic. our children were at home for long stretches of time because the water mines grow. our water system is broken, it's broken, and so, this is, boiling water, having to wash the dishes, getting bottled water to brush the, to wash babies faces, because you don't want them to accidentally in just the water. this is a time consuming, frustrating, money you name it, it tops the list of things that are inconvenient, as well as unfair. i mean, the list goes on. it's a moral. it's simple. it's not okay. it's not right. >> one thing before you go, the same people here, that same government, and they're

blocking minimum wages, 50% of mississippi makes less than minimum wage. they are blocking care and the state. during the pandemic, people did not have health care. and they're also closing the water. that's why people are coming together because they're tired of it and frustrated. >> indeed. bishop william barber, brooke floyd, thank you both very much. much appreciate it. that is tonight's reidout. all in with chris hayes starts now. idout. all in with chris hayes st>> to- >> the january six committee gears back up, and forward community advisor speaks up. >> there was much more coordination in the american public than even imagine, when it got into january six. >> tonight, my exclusive interview with former republican congressman denver riggleman, on claims that and you broke off trump world connections to january six extremists, and his response to committee pushback on his aha moment. >> we got a real of moment when you say that the white house switchboard has connected to a rioters