dynamics of a special election are not necessarily what's gonna -- come november, but this is the big question that november is going to turn. on whether those two things are enough to offset republicans advantages in other areas? >> michelle goldberg, thank you for i couldn't look at her while she was doing that segment, but she's here in the same room with us. have a great night. >> you, too. >> thanks for you at home for joining us this hour. we have a lot to get to. including a hurricane barreling towards the state of florida. as we see what toll that may take on floridians, the january 6 has postponed its hearing set to take place tomorrow. the committee tweeted in light of hurricane ian bearing down on parts of florida, we have

decided to postpone tomorrow's proceedings. we're praying for all those in the path. we start tonight with a major political battle taking place across the country. as of today, we are just six weeks out from this year's midterms. despite economical and historical trends that should favor republicans, this election is shaping up to be closer than anyone expected, thanks in part to republican extremism to states across the country. from roe v. wade to state abortion bans to election denial to political stunts to silence asylum seekers, the republicans are executing on april radical agenda. red state governors like texas' greg abbott and florida's ron desantis. men pushing the extremism while they raise their own political profiles and jockey to raise

trump's mantles as leaders for presidential hopefuls. on the other side of that fight are a handful of democratic governors, the people leading the charge against ready cal republican policies. chief among them is california governor gavin newsom. after surviving a re-call election, governor newsom has come out hard stoking campaign rumors of his own. the cowboy governor has put up billboards in states attacking their leaders' extreme abortion policies. he's running ads in florida, saying freedom is under attack in the sunshine state and he's urging residents to move to california. this weekend, governor newsome took a trip down to greg abbott's texas to continue the campaign of calling out republican governors and otherwise making himself a thorn to the right wing. while i was there, i sat down with him for an interview in a

taqueria in austin. you talk a lot about going on offense. >> yeah. >> you have involved yourself in the business of governor ron desantis and governor abbott here in texas. what is the point of the billboards -- what is the point of -- i'm not going to at all it trolling but it feels like trolling. >> heing out to be called out. they can't claim to be pro-life when they're pro-birth, they can't blame to have limited freedom for girls for reproductive rights. without being called out how possibly are they celebrated and successfully because they both ascended even further and closer to their re-elections as a consequence of their demonization. how are they getting away with that? so my frustration is, you know, we need to call them out. are you paying attention to what the guys are doing. how many books have been banned in texas.

806 books banned. governor desantis is arresting officials, he's sending s.w.a.t. teams at 6:00 in the morning because they registered to vote. that's insane. he went to another state to find migrants and use state money that was intended for unauthorized immigrants, not those seeking legal asylum and sent them to an island and he's being celebrated for that. he's literally rewriting history. literally. did you see him the other day trying to describe his own version of history as it relates to slavery. >> it was the american revolution that caused people to question slavery. no one had questioned before we decided as americans that we're endowed by our creator with unalienable rights and we're all created equal. >> he doesn't know what he's talking about. except he's successful and we need to be more assertive in

waking folks up. it's not just mar-a-lago and trump january 6. we all hope that trump doesn't do history and turn the page on trump but then what? trump is a hole other level of demonization. >> yeah. >> i mean, they're another level of implementing and applying that demonization through legislation. trump has to be blushing with some of this stuff that some of these republican governors have gotten away with. >> you filed an appeal, basically, a notice with the doj saying you think there should be criminal investigations related to the migrant stunt. >> yeah. did. >> do you think that desantis and abbott can be criminally charged for this? >> i don't know if they can be criminally charged. i grew up in a different world with old-fashioned community. he broke state laws with state dollars. the question is did he break federal law. it's sick. i mean, i'm a parent, man, i

mean, how -- how do i explain that -- forget being democrat, republican. it's like, what? someone did that? they would do that to kids? other people's kids to human beings? what kind of person does that. >> the nrsc is sending out emails saying which state would you like migrants sent to next? >> yeah, era desantis. this bravado, this toughness, they're bullies. >> why this desire? is it a desire for autocracy? >> the american people support strong and wrong. it's worked situationally, that's what's so sad but now it's weaponized a whole other level of feedback with social media and the propaganda works

and the machine which of course the right dominates and we have nothing respectfully, something comparable. my takeaway in all of this, it's not just midterms in congress, 2024, biden will, biden won't. it's deeper than that the rights refusals. what we've taken for granted for the last years has been wiped out state after state. their focus, they will stop at nothing to achieve their goals of rolling back all of these rights and they're doing it successfully. >> during my interview, i also asked governor newsom about what they thinks democrats can be doing in this moment to combat public policy and push back against the torrent of misinformation pushed out by the right wing. also discussed the criticisms directed at his own party. the right wing has been formulating this stuff for decades. they have a structure of leadership that's been

effective. >> yeah. >> and there isn't an analog on the left. >> no. >> and on the dobbs decision you were out there saying -- >> where is the democratic party? where's the party? why aren't we standing up more firmly, more resolutely? >> how lacking are we on the national level in the democratic party? >> i mean, there's no doubt states are on rights, the supreme court has made that crystal clear. we've honed our focus in that respect. we have a problem, i really believe it. then you can argue what are we doing on comprehensive reform and others. i'm not going to deny the substantive challenges our party as well, addressing those issues, it's a messengering problem that we've had for years and years. we allow the cultural wars to take shape. eight out of the top ten states

with highest murder rates are all republican states. how do democrats not know that? georgia went for biden, really a republican state, a red state, eight out of ten, and we're losing that message? crime is higher, as well as taxes here for the average citizen in texas. it's higher, violent crimes, poverty crimes, than the state of california. 67% higher gun death rate in texas. why don't we push back? >> why don't we? >> i don't know, in terms of my point of view, i'm optimistic about our ability to turn this around if we go on the offense. that's why i'm doing the billboards. that's why i'm doing the ads and tv commercials in other states, take it to that damn social media network which is called social, which, by the way, i can't imagine will be around one or two more years. >> you have seen a difference since you started doing this? >> yeah. >> how is it impacting? >> i think we stretched the debate a little bit.

hey, look at that over there, hey, i'm not that, i'm talking the governors, some of my friends are becoming closer friends saying i wish i could do that. i really like that you did that. >> what are you worried about? >> i'm in the middle of an election, i've got my own issues, i get it. it's politics for me. increasingly, boy, let me just get through november, i really want to talk to you in the transition, let's go. i cannot -- by.way, on my mother's and dad's graves, i cannot tell you the number of elected officials in powerful positions soon to be of influence that are ready to go. i think we're -- i think we're -- you've seen it with biden, he's moving. he's moving to the right. you see what he's done on the policy, but now he's recognized -- they've always recognized but now they're leaning. >> let's talk about that biden came out. joe biden did things i think joe

biden would never see which is joe biden standing there talking about maga republicans which by the way is a lot of republicans that have become steady fascists, in the thralls of autocracy, that speech was tough for republicans. who have said you've forsaken the grand old party. they fund raise off of it. the more you use pointed language against republicans, the more you take it to their door steps, i think that's good for politics, but what does it do for the ability of anyone to bridge a gap left and right? does that even matter anymore? >> at the moment, in my humble opinion, i think the president's learned it the hard way. he's hardwired for a different world, but that world is gone. and he's acknowledged that on multiple occasions. his decency, his honor, his

character, this moral persuasion, all of those things, those are tools in his toolkit. it's who he is at this core. he wants to compromise. he wants to find better angels and that is sweet spot but that's now it's run. that's not how the supreme court runs right now. it's not how all the rights from back, my wife would be very upset with me -- my mom, people are losing their rights. people are losing their rights. we've got to push back. we've got to hold them accountable. and yes, we prepare ourselves for the great reconciliation. and that's to come. >> you think, really? >> for no other reason, we can't live like this. we run into each other at the grocery stores. we run into each other in soccer games. >> i just wonder if we're going

to be sharing the grocery stores and soccer fields, the tit for tat between you and governor abbott and governor desantis, you guys live there, we live there. and it worry about red states and blue states will further deepen divides. is that a good outcome? >> no, it's not a good outcome. with social media if you live in that parallel universe, but at the end of the day, we all share, you know, same things in common. one short in life with pretty limited wisdom, small word. and we're going to breathe the same air. and at the end of the day, we're going to rise up all together. >> how do you capture that shared humanity? how do you bring people back to the things that tie together, rather than the things that separate us if you also want democrats to go on the offensive and be angry and be motivated by the fear that the walls are closing in? and that freedom's been basically taken for granted for

the last 50 years may be evaporating before our eyes? >> we've got a situation at this moment to be as aggressive as possible. a situation and we have to have a sustainable mind-set in terms of winning larger debates. we can't win fleeting victories at other people's expenses. >> have you talked to abbott or desantis? >> abbott, i thanked him a couple years ago helping us with the wildfires, and playing politics, i would never play politics if he ever needed anything along those lines. desantis no. most of the republican governors, great relationships with. spent time with him. in fact, some of my close republican colleagues are republicans. >> some of your best friends are republican? >> yeah. of course, a family of republicans, so, i have an interesting life. in that respect. you know, awkward conversation around it. an ex-wife. >> ex-wife kimberly guilfoyle who is definitely not a democrat anymore? >> no.

>> do you ever talk to her? >> no, not lately. >> it must be weird four. >> yeah, of course. we had a different relationship with trump when i was governor as well. >> yeah. >> we had an interesting, not as combatant relationship. we went at it in a lot of issues we also found ways to get along. i say that for no other reason that it's essential that we find those spaces. >> but i've got to ask you, you're out there, you're aggressive. you're practicing a new brand of democratic politics. people at the federal level, nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, joe biden, white people in their 70s, do you think the reason that the party hasn't been as responsive because in part of the generation who is leading at the federal level and state level? >> no, what the world needs is equality of youth, not a state

of life. joe biden has that quality of imagination. nancy pelosi does, look what they've been able to accomplish. there's proof, demonstrable evidence of that what they've accomplished and achieved plus few more political masters than nancy pelosi in terms of being able to organize a caucus to get votes. we may never see anything like this again. we have to broaden that focus and focus on building this party institutionally across the spectrum and develop a more comprehensive narrative where we can take the policies that we embrace and enjoy and take our vulnerabilities and package them in a way where we can go on the offensive much more collaboratively and aggressively. using the times at our disposal, as we build the surround sound and build the apparatus that the other side has done successfully and reconcile the fact that we're losing messaging debate, broadly, state by state, in this country. >> and one final thing, at the

end of our interview i asked governor newsom about his own political ambitions and whether or not his recent offensive against republicans is a prelude to maybe a future presidential run. >> are you running? would you ever? >> no, would you ever -- >> would you ever? >> would you ever? do you, is this all part of a plan? >> part of a strategy. >> well, come on, you're taking billboards out. >> it's not my intention. my intention is to raise attention to these critical issues on what's happening. i'm just telling you. >> it's not my intention is not a no. >> no, no, let me answer your question, no. and then, no, no, no, no, no and then no. >> that's no for iowa, no for new hampshire, no for south carolina, no for nevada. >> no. >> okay, each time. that's fine. i take what you're saying. i will take what you're saying

for now. >> that is what he is saying now. keep your eyes on governor gavin newsom of california, everyone. we have much more ahead at this hour. we're keeping an eye on hurricane ian as a storm barrels towards florida. nbc news bill karins will join us for more on that. next, a surprising lawmaker who is giving his support for a piece of legislation that may now prevent another january 6 style situation from happening again in congress. stay with us. h us

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committee meeting. senate majority leaders and minority leaders don't sit on committees. that's why you only see them speaking on the floor the senate. on rare occasions if a senator feels strongly on the bill he will show up personally on the bill to show support. what made today a double rarity, the bill that mitch mcconnell schlepp down to that committee room to support is a bill that was the brainchild of democrats. this bill aims to prevent further elections to subvert presidential election results. basically to make it harder to try the stunt that donald trump tried to pull off on january 6. when pence certified the vote, trump pushed the theory that vice president mike pence as the presiding officer that day could then reject the biden electors and essentially hand the election to trump which are pence refused to do, rightfully.

the new bill would reform the 135-year-old electoral count act to make clear that the vice president doesn't have the power to do that. and would also make it harder for members of congress to raise objections to a state's set of electors. and this bill has been steadily gaining bipartisan support and now mitch mcconnell's full-floated blessing today, his appearance in that committee room all but assures that it will pass. i will note that there was one vote against this bill today and it came from none other than ted cruz, one of republican senators who rejected to biden's state of electors on january 6th. except for senator cruise, the bill got unanimous bipartisan committee support from committee members and that is something to focus on. and it's a step toward preventing a repeat of what happened or almost happened on january 6. and it comes as the people charged that attack. jury selectionle began in the trial of the far right pseudo

paramilitary group the oath keepers. stewart rhodes are and others are charged with seditious conspiracy against the united states. they entered the capitol and some fought with police. the indictment charges that they had stashes of guns and ammunition just outside of washington, d.c. that day ready to be deployed and that rhodes spent weeks coordinating a plan to keep trump in office. obviously, the main part of this trial is whether rhodes and his co-conspirators will be convicted which is a serious charge. and there are questions about what more we learned about january 6 and what happened on that day. three oath keepers have already pleaded guilty to this seditious charge. and now cooperating with prosecutors. one of those cooperators said he overheard stewart rhodes trying

to reach trump through an intermediary, but the person on the other end of the line wouldn't connect rhodes to the president. what was that. ? "washington post" reports that investigators are still asking those oath keeper cooperators and their knowledge and other groups january 6. joining us the chief impeachment counsel for house of representatives for president trump's january 6 impeachment trial. thanks for being here. >> my pleasure, alex. >> so, are you confident through the oath keepers trial that we're going to get information about the rioters and the seditious actors and the trump white house? >> i'm not confident that we're going to get all the answers because it's an imperfect case just trying to prove conspiracy. but the evidence of the role, long before january 6, when donald trump is speaking to groups like telling the proud

boys to stand back and standby. people like roger stone, you saw his video, closely aligned to the oath keepers, to the proud boys, and is talking in july with the plan to prevent the peaceful transfer of government. you see the pieces and part of the defense reaffirms, that they were there, that stewart rhodes was there because the president told him to come because they thought he might invoke the insurrection act. now, that's not a defense. not a defense at all. but it does lay the groundwork of how donald trump is guilty of a whole litanych crimes based on the facts that we know. >> what about your evidence, we've highlighted the evidence that we have that stewart rhodes was trying to connect through an intermediary, that intermediary wouldn't connect the two between the president and stewart rhodes. what would your questions be to rhodes? >> if i could appear as chief counsel, my questions would be

who was that intermediary, was it roger stone? that president trump thought he should come and use form and commit crimes in order to prevent the peaceful transfer of power. who are the earlier contacts. all who surrounded the president and trying to prevent this peaceful transfer of power. what role did they play with the oath keepers. how long did the tentacles stand out to other people involved. those are the questions. if i was the prosecutor, i'd establish that he came here intent on committing violence to prevent the certification of the election. that should be enough for admission. >> how was this, basically creating a check list? >> well, i think it's a preview of things. there's a whole litany of crimes that they have to consider whether or not to bring around the former president and those around him. the most serious is seditious conspiracy. and they've laid out a strategy that could theoretically apply to a whole host of people. however there are lesser crimes

as well like interfering with an official proceeding. so i think the department is able to look at a case like this, and see it as a preview to go up. typically, the department of justice doesn't stop at the low level people who committed the acts but the people who planned it, who organized it, most responsible. people who said the election was stolen and we have to prevent it. who went and used language of violence knowing the crowd was armed and there intent to stop it. and then intended to march with them to the capitol. so, i think the department has a lot of evidence. i will tell you, alex, i think the strongest argument often made whether it's the oath keepers or a former president is deterrence, you have people not only saying they support overthrowing and interfering for an election, but they're running for office, serious office, on that campaign. so, if you don't prosecute a former president where the evidence is overwhelming that he knew he lost the election and sought to prevent the certification of that loss, then everyone is going to feel that they are at liberty to do the

same. >> well, and it is meaningful that we talked about the electoral count act. it's an count that acknowledged what happened on january 6 must never happen again. and one wonders whether a same group of republicans will stand up, if and when the doj pursues criminal charge against primary actors, i'm not naming any names, right. i do want as you try to put together a more fulsome picture of what transpired that day. the secret service remains to some degree a mystery. what was going on, we don't have the text messages that were exchanged between agents january 5th and 6th, and now there's a lot of reporting to the degree to which the inspector general of january 6 charged with overseeing what happened with the secret service and missing messages. there are question is he fully pursuing that investigation. we have a tranche of 800,000 pages of evidence turned over to

the january 6 committee and congress. are you optimistic that trove of information agency pertaining to the secret service will be useful? we know that the text messages are not among the documents given to the committee. >> i'm hopeful there will be something that helps us understand what communications were happening that day. the secret service, they were right there with the president. they're supposed to defend him from physical harm, not from indictment. so there may be evidence that are in the text messages that reaffirm what we already know. that trump wanted to go to the capitol and he wanted to march. so the fact that they were destroyed is greatly disturbing. and if i represent people all the time and if they destroy evidence that is surely going to be investigated, they would be prosecuted for obstruction. the question is, was it intentional, was it by accident? and if there is evidence it was intentional, and the act of it happening was covered up or somehow kept from congress and not shown in a way it should have, that is serious.

not only does it interfere with the investigation but attacks the integrity of law enforcement. the hope is the new material helps fill in the blanks. we already know what happened that day. but if we can gain more information why the secret service was owe concerned, that corroborative evidence that we have seen that has not in any way been conflictive that shows what the secret service agents were saying that could be powerful against the former president. >> i think one thing is certain, the inspector general's behavior and management of this, the examination of his behavior and what he has done or not done, that examination is not what is revealed in 800,000 documents that the committee is now reviewing. barry burke chief counsel of the house of representatives at president trump's january 6th impeachment trial, we appreciate your expertise. and a game plan on this. still ahead, extreism from groups liability oath keepers is

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the next 24 hours? >> we can expect the damage to begin, which it already has. this time tomorrow night, a lot of damage will be taking place right now. i have reports from areas around hollywood, florida, we have a tornado threat. a bunch of airplanes flipped. no one was in them. but a tornado overnight hours, the winds are starting to howl. winds just gusted to 70 miles per hour. that's as bad as it's going to get in the keys. then we're going to watch the winds increasing. when you wake up tomorrow morning, the winds will be howling from for the meyers, to sarasota. that's where we expect the worst to hit. the next update 11:00 p.m. and the next one 5:00 a.m., every six hours. they have that landfall, 5:00, 4:00 in the afternoon. coming around porta gorda, venice is right here, inglewood is south here. i wouldn't doubt if they shift

it south. this forecast creeps towards fort myers, captiva, beautiful areas around santa belle island. then the storm, all day wednesday, all through the day on thursday, this storm is going to be up through central florida, orlando, dis234i complex, will have power outages, trees down. as far as friday, we're going to watch the storms heading up the coastal areas and then we'll have a storm surge to deal with. a second landfall by savannah. not a hurricane or tropical storm. this is at least three days in a row that we deal with the storm. the worst thing as far as life threatening is warmth. the storm surge and fresh water flooding eight to 12 feet. we don't know exactly where that's going to occur. just south, 10 to 20 niles wherever the eye makes landfall. if it goes up like this, areas like sarasota, you'll have a blowout, that wind will be clearing out to sea on the north

side but if that southern onshore will pile up, very concerned from naples to bonita springs, sanibel, captiva, fort myers, maybe mobile here, charlotte and charlotte bay. that's high tide tomorrow, 6:00 p.m., that's right where the highest water levels are surging. 8 to 12 and 2 to 3 high tide. that's way up here. that's what we do not want to deal with. pie mentioned sfurch even on the jacksonville coastline. then finally, the other problem with water, high risk of flash flooding in central florida. someone is going to get two feet of rain. this does include you, tampa, up to orlando, daytona beach. alex, you get the idea, it's the winds, the waters, when you have a major hurricane, you're going to have a billion dollar disaster. this would end up being a $10 billion weather disaster before it's all said and done. >> terrifying.

and it hasn't gotten here. nbc's bill karins, bill, you'll be a very busy man in the next 24 hours. thanks for the updates. up next, law professor anita hill joins me on reproductive freedoms and threats against our democracy. it is not what you think. that's next. stick around. ♪ ♪ away suitcases are designed with 360-degree spinner wheels. ♪ ♪ so you can go with the flow. ♪ ♪

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stewart rhodes was arrested and charged with seditious conspiracy earlier this year. his estranged wife said she was relieved. before the insurrection, she said she had spent years directing his violence and reaugh towards her and her children. and she tried to sever ties with rhodes and finalize a divorce. in 2013, she filed a restraining order whenever stewart rhodes is unhappy with my behavior, he doesn't want mae to leave, he will draw his handgun which he always wears, rack the slide, roll it around and point it at his own head, telling me my behavior has caused this. i filed for divorce after days ago. adams filed when rhodes choked their 13-year-old daughter. rhodes challenged his son to a fight. when rhodes was finally arrested not for assault and attacking

his family but attacking the capitol, adams tweeted this, quote. seems like a good time to repost that in the spring of 2018 my request for a protective order/restraining order against mys changed husband stewart rhodes was denied because the court didn't believe me when i said he was a threat. that is the man standing trial for seditious conspiracy. a man who helmed an paramilitary group who demanded security for black lives matters groups. a man who offered oath keeper services again on january 6 to overturn election results and keep donald trump in power. the cost of denying the accounts and experiences like tasha adams and her children can be steep for everyone. but those denials happen everyday, within families and workplaces and even courts. very few know more than anita

hill professor of law and studies at brandeis university. most know the testimony she gave at the confirmation hearing of clarence thomas. joining us now is professor anita hill, out today with a new paperback version of her book "believing, our 30-year journey end gender violence." professor hill, thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you for being on this new show. i want to start with american politics, where you have in particular, for example, a group of men, the oath keepers, whose very existence as a group is based on homophobia, racism, misogyny. you have groups like the proud boys implicated in january 6 who called them proudly, western

chauvinists. how and why is this happening so prompt nently with pride and zeal, with gains we've made, feminism, what is sout, what is the poison among us that has led to groups like this? >> well, i think the patriarchky, if you will has always been an element of misogyny. racism, that's where it lives, home homophobia, all of those things come together. it's part of white male grievances that we have in this country that have been directed at politics. you know, i talk about some of the ways that misogyny is used to recruit the people into white supremacist groups, people who might not have white supremacist

sentiments, but who have misogynistic sentiments, but they get bought in, and now they not only have the misogyny, but now, you know, they can be confident and be part of a group and really be trained in white supremacy as well. and, you know, i wrote about it in the book because of the gender implications. >> yeah. >> because it seems to be very clear that this is not going to go away on its own. >> uh-huh. >> that where we are in this moment, when we have these groups very proudly proclaiming this kind of animus towards people who are making progress in this country, who are taking leadership positions, which have apparently enraged some of them. >> yeah. >> and it's not going to go away with us ignoring it. and i think that's what we've

done so far. we've sort of put january 6th in one category. and we put misogyny in one category. and racism in another category. and really, there's just inner relations between us. and if we aren't studying -- if our agencies aren't studying these groups, these extremist groups with all of that in mind, they're going to be missing the point. >> do you see the dobbs decision, i'll put this aside, but do you see the republican zeal to control a woman's body as an extension of that chauvin film, obviously, pro-right groups will tell you this is about protecting the sanctity of unborn life. but do you see the same misogyny that gives rise to the proud boyce and oath keepers, do you see that in the extension of dobbs and abortion bans? >> you know, i see it a lot in dobbs. and i'm going to go back to 2013 when ruth bader ginsburg wrote

just a phrase in one of her dissents that her colleagues, the conservative colleagues on the court, were on this unrestrained course to corral rights in this country. civil rights in this country. and what she was talking about was employment discrimination, specifically racism and employment. as well as a sexual harassment employment. and what she predicted was, basically, if we continue this path, we are going to be setting that precedent. >> yeah. >> that we have thought with protection that's we thought were, you know, going to be with us forever. >> yeah. >> and i think what we're seeing with dobbs is that is part of what she was complaining about. that this is a tendency of the

left, or excuse me, the right, from the conservative part of the court to really limit and disrespect the granting of rights, the extension of civil rights. so, i don't see dobbs as separate from removal, or protection for sexual harassment in the workplace, for example. for -- and that's what ginsburg was complaining about back in 2013. i just see this as following, you know, a pattern that she identified and that will continue really in the dobbs decision and the concurring opinion, thomas' concurring opinions he's given give every indication he was willing to hear lgbtq rights put on trial again, same-sex marriage put on trial again. and so, we know, we have, you

know, we've had this message for a while. but i think what we do have in this country is this tendency to try to divide and conquer. >> yeah. >> and so, we're trying to divide the rights to an abortion. >> yeah. >> from the many other rights. and we need to see them all together. >> right, it's not a question of judiciary or the legislature or the gubernatorial races, it's all interlaced. >> it is. >> professor anita hill at brandeis university. thank you for your time. you're the author of "believing the 30-year journey to end gender violence" is out today. thank you. we'll be right back. thank you. we'll be right back. per night. save 40% on the sleep number 360 special edition smart bed.now only $1499. only for a limited time. - when you lose power, life stops.

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