all right, thank, you everybody, at home for watching across connection. i will definitely be back here next saturday at 10 am eastern. i will see you then. but stay tuned because the amazing alex witt has all the latest. i, alex. >> can i just say you were apologizing beforehand for running late, and i was like, go. keep going. put this information out there about the pet rescues. i mean, it's so heartwarming

what those folks do. so, bless them for all their efforts and i'm really glad you put that story on your show. so, we will see you next sunday, my friend. >> see you next time. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> meantime, a very good day to all of you from msnbc headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone, to alex -- reports. we are tracking hurricane ian at this hour. it is now a post-tropical cyclone. it's making its way north along the east coast and leaving a trail of devastation in several cities and states. in fact, right now, at least 34 people are confirmed dead. and rescue efforts are ongoing, with crews searching for survivors inside flooded and destroyed homes across that state. the coast guard is out today, assessing damage in several areas. survivors say, it has been a terrifying experience. >> it was terrifying. i've never experienced winds, the howling, ears popping. i will never forget it.

>> it was scary, it's the worst thing in the world. -- >> today, you know, we need basics and they shunt before you can get -- right down here and we've just got nobody, we don't know who to call, nobody's come down here, no officials. >> ain't got no clue, and get no clue, ain't got nothing. >> -- >> the whole time. >> [inaudible] i need a place to have shelter. >> did anyone tell it where you could go for shelter? >> no. >> yes. especially the families with kids. >> in south carolina, officials are making damage assessments after heavy flooding following eons landfall yesterday. severe flooding is also reported in north carolina, where ian is expected to weaken later today. flood watches are in effect for virginia and west virginia. large trees are downed up and down the east coast, and that means power outages for more than 1.6 million customers and households knocked off the grids by powerful winds and

rain. noting us now, nbc's steve patterson in fort myers beach, florida. shaquille brewster is joining us from charleston, south carolina. and meteorologist, raphael miranda, is here with me in new york. welcome, that's. we will begin with you, steve, in fort myers beach. consider really ground zero of in's wrath. so, give us a sense of what the damage is like there, what are folks telling you about their experience and their losses? >> you know alex, so often we hear the cliché that it looks like a bomb went off. there is a reason why that's a cliché. it's because it is true. i mean, this entire off area is essentially decimated. really, 360 degrees every direction, everything i see is in wreckage, including the structure you might see over my right shoulder. that show -- is just a speck of the devastation in this area. we are not just talking about structures. i mean, there are sections of concrete and asphalt that are lifted out of the ground,. a dock which is on a right house is, you know, fishing boats, yachts, all sorts of things.

all of that is in the road to my left. i think we may be able to show that to some on the video. but it's just unbelievable. we are talking about boats into homes, boats on top of cars. the and higher system here is just reduced to rubble. and so, search and rescue is really the primary operation at this hour. we are still within that crucial 72, 80 hours or so, where people, you know, could still be trapped in some of this wreckage. we know it's a dire situation on some of the islands here. sanibel island has been completely cut off, though that channel, in order to get their, is not. so, you are talking about 200 households that chose to stay. that's dozens and dozens of people that don't have access to food, possibly water. there's no power likely in that area, although power is being restored at an exponential level. yesterday, we were over 2 million people without power. now is 1.2 million. that is still a lot in the state of florida, but it's a lot less than what we saw and we've seen utility trucks up

and down, you know this area pretty much all day long and all night long as well. people are on the ground trying to help. there's so much to do. we spoke to survivors. i spoke to a guy who's probably just a few blocks down here. he lives in a subdivision where there's, like, 300, 400, 500 people. there are squad cars post there and he said, he can't get any help. no food, no water. just because of how dire the situation is in so many neighborhoods like his. there are levels of priority above his, which is crazy to think about, because who knows if people have medical conditions in these communities that are trapped. here are some survivors stories that we've managed to get underground. listen to this. >> just gratitude. nothing but gratitude that we are here and for all the people out there doing it. >> we should not be alive right now. we should be alive right now with that storm. the power of that storm, i mean, if that would've crashed into the side of the house, i mean, we would've been swept away. it was insane. it was absolutely insane.

first, power went out, then internet went out, then the wind started kicking up and it was bad, but then it got to the point, she went to a back closet and south side of the house was actually bumping. >> those are people that survived the brunt, but there's still so much suffering when you don't have food, you don't have running water. that is a big problem as well. it's a huge problem for the hospitals in this area. there are about ten locally that don't have that. that means that they are on a timer because they are treating patients that are going to need that eventually. so, there are a lot of transfers right now, including -- is actually transferring little babies to different hospitals because they have no other option. it's a dire situation, it will continue for days, if not weeks, if not months. if not years, in some cases, when you talk about the cleanup, alex? >> what a story you are telling us. steve -- let me ensure you will not forget soon what you've seen and heard there. thank you from fort myers beach.

let's go to shaq brewster, who's in charleston, south carolina, where thousands are without power. cleanup is underway, of course. shaq, talk about the damage, what it's like there where you are, what about the rest of south carolina? >> hi there, alex. the damage is definitely here in charleston, but when you talk to officials, when you talk to residents here, they do feel as if they dodged somewhat of a bullet because of the stories that we've just heard steve talking about out of what happened in florida. but look, they saw that tropical storm force winds here and they got a significant amount of rain. all that turning into scenes like this. this tree in the downtown area toppled over. just take a look at the power of that. that's the result of the saturation of the land here. we are talking about charleston area getting a historic amount of rain yesterday. the national weather service, saying that it was the wettest day since 1938. so, across the city today, you are seeing the cleanup begin. we saw crews here working on this, clearing out the sidewalk earlier today. many of the flooded roads have since been reopened.

but there's still work that needs to be done. i want you to listen to what we heard from some homeowners here in this area. >> well, the problem we've got now is the drainage. the wind is not that much and it's coming out of the east, so it's not as bad as north and the rest. i'm just out here trying to make sure our drain is clean. the other problem we have is high tide. and i believe it's high tide in another hour or two. the water is not going to flow out in high tide. so, we are going to start to see some water rise now. but >> you get a sense from that comment there, that there is still somewhat of a threat here. there's still the potential of high tides coming through. then there are still thousands without power here in the charleston area. while it's far from the peak that we saw about 100,000 people at the height of the storm, there's about 10,000 people who are without power. the power companies, saying that they expect to have power

restored for the vast majority of customers by about 8 pm tonight, which is definitely good news for those who are without power. but this is a storm that is not only affecting south carolina, not just affecting the charleston area, but all along the coast and even inland, where they dealt with real thunderstorms and severe storms in those areas. folks are still without power. so, definitely you get a sense of the widespread impact of hurricane ian. but again, you have officials and residents, when they see the images of what happened in florida and the devastation caused in florida, many of them, saying they are breathing somewhat of a sigh of relief. >> and yet historic rain for that historic city. okay, thank you so much, shaq brewster. meteorologist, raphael miranda, is with me here in the studio tracking the path of even for us. so, where is it now, what can we expect next? >> well alex, thankfully the worst of ian is over. we can breathe a bit of side relief there. but it's still going to be causing problems for the next several days across the northeast, even as we've seen some heavy rain.

even over here interacting with the warm front moving through new york city area, bring some flooding concerns. the latest stats show, it's a much weaker storm. a shadow of its former self. a 25 mile per hour winds drifting through the northeast and continues to weaken. that is the good news with ian. it's not don causing problems, as i said, though. you can see as it dissipates, we will see that heavy rain threat continue for the next several days from west virginia right through new england. this is a slow mover now, so it's going to be hanging around the tropical rains certain areas in the northeast again tomorrow. we will see showers and storms fire up. another air flow pressure pulling away gradually and all that saturated soil increases the risk for flooding. now, by monday, ian is just finally emerging off the coast. the remnants of in here, that's that low pressure. this is two days from now. we are still talking about in, still feeling the effects of heavy rain near the coast and breezy conditions as well. this will be a very slow mover, even into tuesday. i expect we will see some coastal rain. we've seen some very strong

winds as well. gusts up to 50 miles per hour already this morning for coastal new jersey. we will see those types of winds 30, 40, even up to 50 miles per hour throughout the day today and, again, tomorrow. so, it's really a nasty weather weekend here in the northeast. partly because of the remnants of in that will continue. we have two types of flooding concerns now. the coastal flooding threat. we can see areas 1 to 2 feet of inundation all the way from the jersey shore down towards virginia. these are coastal flood advisories and fog warnings in effect. then we have the inland flooding threat. if million people impacted by these flood threats. we saw that very heavy rain on the radar. this is how much additional rainfall we could see as the remnants of even slowly work their way through, where you see the yellows and oranges. several inches of rain, up to six inches of rain possible. the flood threat within, not over yet. you can see just along the coastline here moving into new england, also several inches of rain could bring a flood threat heading over the next several days. the worst of it in the higher

terrain there in the mountains. again, we will be dealing with the storm probably until tuesday in one way or another in cross the northeast. alex? >> absolutely extraordinary. what a punch it is packing. okay, thank you so much, rafael miranda, for that. joining me now is dan watson, former fema spokes for entering the response to hurricane sandy back in 2012. he is now managing director at fgfs global. welcome, dan, it's good to see you again. so, as people assess the damage from ian, do you have advice for trying to get through the system and get help more quickly? talk about the challenges for fema to accurately assess and distribute funds. >> sure, well, you know, to the best financial protection to a disaster like this is what is going to be insurance. there's about one and a half million folks who have flood insurance, the national flood insurance program in florida. so, the first thing to do is talk to your insurance companies. but as you can tell, that's one and a half million people across the state.

there are a lot of folks who will need additional assistance. so, people can sign up for disaster -- that was made available through the presidential major disaster declaration for those 13 impacted counties. they can do that at its disaster assistance.com, or by calling one 800 621 fema. so, that's the thing to do right now. fema will be setting up disaster recovery centers in those impacted areas, so that they will have folks on the ground to. >> let me check out some sets we got from the new york times, in which florida counties whose residents were told to evacuate, then, just over 18% of homes have coverage through the national flood insurance program. i mean, how is a lack of flood insurance impact rebuilding efforts? the aftermath of a storm like this, do more residents typically go out and purchase flood insurance for the future? >> yeah, that's right. so, flood insurance is required in the areas that have the highest risk of flooding. but that is a double edged

sword because if you don't have that requirement, you might think, oh, i don't have a risk for flooding. the reality is, most people have some risk of flooding at their homes. so, it's very important. flooding is not included as part of your homeowner spine, so you have to get that supplemental flood insurance from the national flood insurance program. >> yeah, okay. my colleague, ali -- spoke with a shrimper in fort myers beach, florida, who feels like his community has been largely ignored by local government. he's concerned there's some inequity in the county. take a listen to what he said. >> i don't want to say it, but they are worried about sanibel and, you know, god bless them. they earn their money and everything, you know? but you fly around here and you look at this devastation right here, nobody is worried about us a little people, that don't make million dollars a year. i make $25,000 a year, you know? and right now, most everything i got is wet from having to

keep that boat floating and going out, in and out, in 105 mile an hour winds, 150 mile an hour winds. but today, you know, we chester need basic chester chester chester sanitation before you can get to really ride out here. we just got nobody, we don't know who to call, nobody has come down here, no officials, you know? have come down and said, okay, we can get this or whatever, you know? i mean, i said, you are the second person i've talked to since yesterday. >> that's it? nobody else has come? >> nobody else. >> hey dan, how do you respond to those concerns? i mean, is there a way to ensure that funds are distributed equitably? >> well, you remember, you can see the footage to, this is still a very active search and rescue operation. that is the primary priority right now. i think like we heard from the president and governor, this is one fight. in support of those state operations, the federal government has set down fema search and, sorry, urban search and rescue teams that it's

coast guard, chest, department of defense, the national guard. for my context that i was talking to at fema last night about 1600 people have been rescued. along with 75 pets, so really the focus is on search and rescue. but you are right, there is going to be a lot of work ahead. there are going to be folks working in communities to make sure that they are there to support everybody. >> what about the president who is, i'm sure you heard, praised fema for the response to hurricane ian, telling workers at the agency, they are restoring americans faith in their government. give me your assessment of the response so far and by the way, has your approach changed at all since her experience in hurricane sandy? >> they have and we saw this before the storm made landfall. you had prepositioned supplies, water, generators, anything to support the state with what they would do with response. the state also had utility trucks that have been thousands of utility workers who were prepositioned in there, in the, you know, feeling the brunt of the storm that went across the

state. but ready to help and we are seeing this in the restoration of power with about 700,000 folks who regained power over the last 24 hours. so, there are lessons learned after every storm. i'm sure there will be lessons learned after this one, but the tragedy that we've seen in the past does help us to prepare better. >> yeah, okay, don watson, thanks for sharing your expertise on all of this as being a former fema spokesperson. it's good to see you. stay safe. we are so monitoring developments from florida and south carolina, later, we will take a look at what role climate change may have had on the ferocity of hurricane ian. up next, division within the ranks of donald trump's team of lawyers. what action one lawyers advocating trump to take. which will maybe make him for a avoid prosecution, but it would be a rare turn of face for trump to do it. turn of face for trump to do it trump to do it 's got double pepper jack and juicy steak. let's get some more analysis on that, chuck. mmm. pepper jack. tender steak.

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setback as the russian defense ministry says, its forces withdrew from the eastern city of limon today. that's in donetsk. ukrainian officials are releasing this footage of two ukrainian soldiers attaching a ukrainian flag to a sign for lineman on the outskirts of that city. this new development comes after russian president, vladimir putin, declared the region where it lies is now part of russia. this, as ukraine's biggest battlefield win since its successful counteroffensive in the northeastern kharkiv region. that was last month. in the next hour, former cia director, john brennan, will join me to discuss the latest in the russia ukraine conflict, including who might be behind the nord stream pipeline sabotage. but now, let's go to a new and striking report in the donald trump mar-a-lago documents case. trump's legal team appears to be divided, as a former president face a potential criminal liability. new reporting from the washington post says -- litigator, trump hired [inaudible] advising him to seek an off

ramp [inaudible] to avoid criminal charges. and that is resulting in discord within trump's team. [inaudible] seemed, not least for now, to be heating advice from those who have indulge his desire to fight. joining me now, msnbc legal analyst, barbara mcquade. former u.s. attorney in michigan and charles coleman, former brooklyn prosecutor. welcome to both of you. barbara, you first year because trump's most reputable lawyer of this whole group is saying that the best way for trump to avoid criminal charges it's a try to de-escalate the justice department. and yet, that lawyer has been sidelined from the mar-a-lago case. his name not even appearing on the latest legal filing. de-escalating seems like sound advice. so, why do you think it's being met with backlash from his other legal advisers? >> alex, i think the only thing surprising about this story is that any lawyer is surprised that trump wants to fight. that is his mo. he fights aggressively, he fights unfairly, and the idea of de-escalation, i think, is

something that's completely foreign to him. and you are right, de-escalation is absolutely the best way to resolve a legal dispute. you know, you get more bees with honey than with vinegar and so often, just being civil, you can negotiate a reasonable outcome with the other side. what we are seeing lately is this very strong and combative tone in legal briefs that trump's lawyers are filing. accusing the justice department of misconduct and ill motives. and it just doesn't get you very far when you're trying to persuade somebody to see the things around your side. but i think donald trump only hand has one button and it is to fight. >> yeah, i think that's pretty much the but we've seen. so you charles now because according to the post, in private, those familiar with the conversations say, the lawyer, that's chris case, has questioned the wisdom and experience of some of his colleagues. arguing, they do not have extensive experience with this type of litigation. and could face legal trouble themselves. i mean, should donald trump be concerned about the legal

culpability of his attorneys at this mar-a-lago case? >> alex, this comes as very little surprise. to answer your question, he should, but he does not. we have seen from donald trump repeatedly that he has no regard for the professional ethic's of the attorneys that are supposed to be representing him. he does not care any much about whether they end up facing disciplinary action for what it is that he asked them to do as his representative and his prosecutor in court. so, while donald trump normally should be concerned about the positions that he's putting his attorneys in, ultimately, this is their responsibility. when they neglect their responsibility as mr. case warned them of, they face disciplinary action by different -- other entities that are able to sanction them. and impact their professional -- so ultimately, this is something that needs they need to be paying attention to and if donald trump is asking them to do things or putting them in things that they should not be an as attorney's, it's up to them to say no and push back.

>> so this week, judge aileen cannon removed one of the biggest challenges to trump's legal strategy because she overruled an order by the special master, raymond dearie. he gave trump's attorneys and october 7th court deadline to prove his claims that the fbi planted evidence at his florida resort or that he declassified the documents that were seized there. so, now they are off the hook, barbara. why would judge cannon step in on trump's behalf like this? is it unusual for a judge to even get involved in the special master's work? >> it's really unusual, alex. you know, once you select a special master, the whole purpose of it is to delegate to that special master the work and dealing with all of the squabbles that are likely to arise that micromanaging of their dispute as they work through this review. and so, watch judge dearie came up with an order, a timeline, the process, it's very odd for a district judge than to take that and change it, and micromanage it in that way.

what she did here too is really head-scratching because whereas judge dearie wanted to put them on a fairly tight timeline, she extended that timeline and give them more time. she also removed the responsibility of stating which documents donald trump is claiming may have been planted by the fbi. perhaps all of us know that the answer to that question ultimately is none. but delaying the day of reckoning so that he can continue to make these statements in the public without saying where it matters in court, where that might bring sanctions, if they are false. so, it's really a curious result to me. i don't know, i presume good faith one judges act, but i will concede that is highly unusual. >> so, judge cannon also extended this deadline to the special master degree to complete his review, pushing it back now a couple weeks. it goes from november 30 to december 16. even though jerry, himself, suggested he could expedite

this schedule, charles, so, is that a reasonable decision though? because there are 11,000 documents for review and it's about, what, 200,000 pages worth of documents. or is this just playing into the typical trump legal tactic that we've all become so familiar with, which is, delay, delay, delay? >> we are not for just theory already saying that he may expedite the review these documents. i would say that it would be reasonable timeline to set. but because judge dearie has already signaled that he was moving forward with the review, i think it's awkward and a little weird, to be honest with you. i also think that it does, to your question, play directly into trump's hands of delay, delay, delay. now, it's important to understand that judge dearie can ultimately throw a monkey wrench in this entire scheme by conducting and concluding his rearview and issuing a report earlier than that, at which point they wouldn't necessarily have to adhere to the deadline. the question would then come

back to judge cannon. if judge dearie issues his rulings before that deadline, are you going to then wait until after that before you move forward with the larger case? that's going to be an interesting thing to watch for, particularly because he's already said that he would potentially escalate and expedite the review of the documents. so, if he sticks with that, what does judge cannon do when he meets that deadline before she sentenced? >> that's a very good point i had not heard expressed. you are right, he could just put the results of his research and his investigation out anytime he finishes, whatever that might be. very good point. barbara, charles, good to see you both. thank you. riding the storm out and why many have said, this is the worst storm they've ever seen. you will hear from someone who's been through hurricanes before and why this one was so different. different. o is here. and right now business owners can get it on us at t-mobile. apple business essentials with apple care+ is included so you can easily manage your team's devices,

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lost everything i own. and i'm trying to be brave and know that my family is safe. and not worry about the other stuff later. >> i'm 67. lived in the area five years. now it's gone. tons of water. >> just heartbreaking, painful new reality in fact for countless people in florida. search and rescue operations taking place in the areas that took a direct hit when it made landfall. as a category four hurricane. it is now downgraded to a post-tropical cyclone. but it has left at least 34 people dead, and well over 1.2 million households and several states without electricity. joining me now is senior field correspondent for weather nation, he is in pawleys island, south carolina. john, welcome, talk about the conditions where you are today. they're almost scenes -- seems to be insult because it looks like a beautiful day where you are but what about the impact for ian? how great has it been?

what is the biggest issue? >> yeah, alex, we see this all the time, go from absolute devastation, fear, and loathing, to this beautiful day on the south carolina coast that people are out and out and about but we planned it from charleston this morning where there was some damage yesterday and georgetown and we were certainly worried about this being in charleston and we can do this on any given stormed a. some flooding and wind damage but not anything that i had seen before in florida. here in pawleys island, right, now we're in the policies beer village, which is a community of about 500 people. they host about 300 guests per year, in behind me in the shot you can see the pawleys island pier. half of that pier alex was washed away yesterday when ian came through here. there was an american flag pole on the end of the pier flying out there. and it went away and that

debris is out there in the ocean no. so i want to say, so everyone knows, this is a private pr. not a big win that the public has been visiting for years. but that damages there, and it's continuing to look north and south side garden city, myrtle beach all the way up to cherry grove, damage is there. >> assessments across florida, john, they show entire neighborhood submerged. others reduced to just terrible. let's take a listen to get there to what some residents said about eons. impact >> it's like a war zone right now. >> the devastations unbelievable. >> i've never experienced anything like it again. >> my mom had two feet in her apartment. her house. but grandma's house were destroyed. these are houses of lived in my whole life. >> war zone, devastation, and mean, pretty powerful words there. how does even compare to the hurricanes that you have covered, john? is this the most devastating storm you've seen? >> you know i was in mexico

beach on the panhandle of florida after michael and it looked like an atomic bomb had gone off their. that was the worst overseas in 30 years. i've been doing this for the weather nation for nine years. seeing that devastation, in fort myers, it looks like michael to me. but if anyone didn't know what it was, they would think it was the worst. it would look like a large bomb, or multiple bombs, have been dropped. it'll take many years to get back. >> big picture here, john, what does hurricane ian tell us about earth's climate crisis? do you think more intense storms like this are the new norm? >> it seems to be, you, know a lot of people try to say that global warming or climate change isn't a big deal. we've had hurricanes for years. lots of hurricanes -- and last, year this is been quiet, last year we ran out of names. the year before we run out of names and got out of the greek alphabet. it's not necessarily that we have more storms, because the

seasons are cyclical for they seem to be more intense. we've seen more cat three, he's, fourth fives, over the last few, years and the last few decades. >> yeah, okay, john correspondent for weather nation stay safe out there and thank you for sharing your expertise. so we're supposed to be having an ordinary meeting about hurricane response but it sure wasn't ordinary coming. up next how the white house stunned oil executives. and in my next, our former cia director john -- john brennan, i'm gonna ask him about a whodunnit that has a lot of people pointing fingers in the same direction. the same direction. the new subway series menu. the greatest sandwich roster ever assembled. for more on the new boss, here's patrick mahomes. incredible - meatballs, fresh mozzarella and pepperon- oh, the meatball's out! i thought he never fumbles. the new subway series. what's your pick?

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with residents but -- for most of the day to fill their gas tanks. the problem is a lack of power because, of course, without power, you can't pump the gas. frustration, though, boiling over at times. >> i had some of my family with me, but they had to leave because it's been so long. we just want some gas. >> this is ridiculous. we've been here since 7:00 waiting in the line for gas. they've been sent a gas truck has been going to compensate o'clock. two hours after that, no gastric. people are fighting in lines for gas. it's getting crazy out here. there's no police out here and security thing or nothing. >> well, now let's go to the white house, a new word on a meeting about hurricane ian between the biden ministration and oil executives. it turned tense. white house officials lambasted executives over the industries high prices, low inventories,

and big profits. nbc's josh lederman joins us now from the white house. josh, welcome. so, the so-called lambasting from the white house was reportedly accompanied by a threat. what are you learning about it? >> well alex, white house officials and administration officials in this meeting apparently -- after the oil executives for what they see as this record high profits and also record high exports, coupled with low inventories that they believe is leading to some of these high prices that the administration has been fighting against for months. and so, the white house and the energy secretary, jennifer granholm, in this meeting, according to one industry source, threatened an export ban for u.s. energy products if these companies do not start to bring these prices down. and really did what was described to nbc as a lecture of these officials. that's according to this new reporting from cnbc's and how she, who spoke to four sources with knowledge of what happened here. but we know that the

administration has been really focused for weeks on this particular concern. particularly as they were preparing for hurricane ian, president biden, making specific reference to the need for these companies not to price gouge during the hurricane when he spoke on wednesday, and then again on thursday. take a listen. >> for give me, i want to add one more warning. this morning to the gas industry executives. do not, let me repeat, do not, do not use this as an excuse to raise gasoline prices and gouge the american people. >> do not, do not, do not use this storm as an excuse to raise gasoline prices or gouge the american public. the price of oil has dropped in recent weeks. the price of gas should be going down as rapidly, it's not. >> one of the data points that president biden always hammers on this issue is exactly that. they've seen the price of a barrel of oil fall, but they

don't believe the oil companies are passing along those reductions to all of us who show up at the gas pump to buy a gallon of gas. and we expect the administration to continue to hammer this message, particularly as we get towards the midterms and democrats trying to make so clear to voters that they are doing everything possible that they can to try and bring down inflation and higher costs for americans, alex. >> a lot of people are going to like what they heard the president saying there. thank you so much, josh lederman. showdown in texas. what you might have missed from the debate between governor abbott and beto o'rourke. abbott and beto o'rourke (vo) the older. the physically challenged. the last to be chosen. shelter dogs with special needs face a far longer road to adoption. but subaru knows even the toughest roads can lead to the most amazing places. that's why subaru and our retailers created national make a dog's day... to help all underdogs find homes.

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texas. republican governor, greg abbott, and his democratic challenger, beto o'rourke, met for their first and likely only debate last night and clashed over issues like gun restrictions, immigration, and

energy policies. >> look, i don't think that greg abbott wakes up wanting to see children shot in their schools or for the grid to fail. but it is clear that he's incapable or unwilling to make the changes necessary to prioritize the lives of our fellow texans. that's why it's on all of us to make sure that we have changed at the ballot box. >> i'm running for reelection to keep texas, number one, to cut your property taxes, to secure the border, to keep dangerous criminals behind bars, and to keep deadly fentanyl off our streets. >> joining me now is michael starr hopkins, president of northern star strategies and senior adviser to florida democratic -- charlie crist and victoria defrancesco soto, dean of the clinton school of public service at the university of arkansas. also an msnbc contributor. welcome to you both. mike, i'm going to reach out to you first because in this latest poll has been taken before the debate, governor abbott was leading beto iraq by seven points. do you think beto gains any ground after last night's debate?

>> yeah, i watched the debate and i thought that okay, -- in principle and when you look at the focus groups that were held after, a lot of the meters for independence, to some republicans, really went up when he talked about raising the age of -- making sure that retired teachers were getting cost of living adjustments. i think that beto's personality is something that is likable in texas. i think texas is a tough race for him. i think it will narrow, but it'll be really tough a race for beto. >> yeah, victoria, let's listen to part of what governor abbott and o'rourke said on the issue of immigration. here it is. >> i will tell you, the fateful rhetoric, this treating human beings as political pawns, talking about invasions in texas, texans defending yourselves, that's how people get killed at the walmart in el paso. the gentlemen -- we just learned about yesterday, this is incredibly dangerous for texas and it's not reflective of our values. it's n>> this is all because ofe

biden's failure to, do the presidents job, to secure the border. we only have to do that because of joe biden's failure and it would be the same pathway that beto would take us down. >> so there's a new poll that is released ahead of the debate and it shows that the majority of texas voters support governor abbott's border policy that includes arresting migrants, putting more dps troopers on the border, and sending those asylum seekers by bus at least to chicago, new york, washington d.c.. how will the issue of immigration, victoria, shape this race? and do you think beto overwork can sway any of these texans who support the. current governor's handling of it. >> oh alex, it is complicated when we talk about immigration because we know that traditionally, immigration is an issue that plays very well with the republican break -- base. it's a motivating issue, and the rhetoric the governor abbott is using, and the images, and the actions we have seen taken recently really support

that. when we are looking at more of the middle, so, your chamber of commerce, republicans hear moderate democrats there is frustration as a record-breaking going on at the border. we have seen this year, numbers in terms of, you know, crossovers, in a week in a day, busting up records but at the same time remember when the border was shut down, and we didn't have that cross border traffic, cross border commerce, that was very frustrating of people, and finally, alex, is how immigration plays with where you are in the state, and also your ethnicity. so latinos and generally are more for open immigration policies, and less restrictive ones. but when we look at latinas who live along the border we tend to see a lot more frustration, and backing of abbots types of issues. so we can't generalize when it comes to immigration on how

folks are going to fall. >> so let me ask you, this, victoria how realistic is the prospect of democrats turning texas blue? will these efforts ever payoff? and i remind, you it was that beto came within three points, less, than in fact, conceding to senator ted cruz back in 2018. it was a close one. >> it was. it was a very close one. but let me start off by saying, you know, that was a very unique race. and ted cruz is not greg abbott. ted cruz, even among republicans, this is generally not that popular, whereas greg abbott is. beyond, that to your question, alex, there is movement, but it is incremental. it's not, like, oh, texas is turning blue in 2022, or 2024. but let me give you historical context. in 2000, 22 years ago, democrat only got 38% of the vote. right? so what we were seeing was

laguardia got 38%. fast forward to 2020, two decades later, we are not seeing a blue texas but we are seeing a texas where 46.5% of texans voted for joe biden. so we have seen a gap closing within single digits, and i think that for democrats understanding very much the texas is a long game for them. >> yeah i want to switch gears here, michael, and get your thoughts on donald trump's latest attack on senator leader mitch mcconnell's writing on truth social. in, part is mcconnell approving all these tones of dollars worth of democrat sponsored bills without even the slightest bit of negotiation, because he hates donald j trump and knows i am strongly opposed? he went on to say he, quote, has a death wish. trump is mostly referencing that bill that kept the u.s. government from shutting down. what do you make of this attack, though, among the head of the midterms?

>> using violence as a tool has become donald trump's only real weapon and only real playbook. his response won -- on january 6th, not getting the protesters and insurrectionists to stop attacking the capitol, i think he now believes this is his playbook moving forward. and i think this is why when you see rhonda santas, or people like greg abbott, mimicking trump, it becomes so dangerous, because in their eyes, the cruelty is the point. and a lot of americans are getting sick of. it they see, you know, riots going on, they see things going on in the capital. and they see this tone and error among the republicans that is proceeding violence. and i think you're really starting to see an independent shift. >> so, okay, guys, i did have another question but i'm told unfortunately right now that dan criswell the fema director is holding a news conference, so thank you both, we are going to go to that right now in florida, i believe winter park, florida's, where she is.

let's take a listen everyone. >> your nature is to respond, in spite of your own families being in peril, in spite of your own health and safety many times. so we are here to check on them and make sure that we have health and safety needs, basic human needs, that they, need while they are continuing to respond, and the aftermath, and the ongoing chaos and risk that even escalates now. as hurricane ian has moved on. one of those is certainly their behavior and health impacts. so we are making sure and checking that they have behavior healthy sources that are checking you with periodically as well. we will continue to monitor those resources. >> i also wanted to acknowledge the tremendous assistance that we have a c -- received from the federal emergency management association. all of you know the orange county was also recently declared one of the eligible areas for fema reimbursement.

what that means for us here, within our community, is that it provides 100% federal funding for debris removal, and lifesaving measures for the next 30 days. if you want more information, as run -- residents, to see about building it there, you can go to disaster assistance.gov. we are very, very appreciative, for sending charles williams to assist us here within our emergency operation center. he has been a tremendous help, and assistance, to those of us within the county. and we have been responding to the emergency. and at this time i'm going to ask orlando mayor to come forward and we will have our share of john come forward. and then we'll have some comments, open it up to any questions you may have. >> okay, everybody, i promise you, diane criswell was there

when we first moved over. she moved away from the podium, but you can earring officials there most notably jerry demings who is the orange county mayor, and has been deval demings. so, we will keep monitoring this, and if we get more pertinent information will bring it to you but. meantime, we know that hard questions are being asked in florida following this future again. how many victims? what is their condition? plus, how long will it take to cleanup and rebuild? but then the hardest question is this. should they rebuild? in a place that is likely to be head again? >> to view the damage up close, it is almost frightening to see just how easily, andrew -- true through tons of concrete and steel. but to view the damage from above, heartbreaking. when you realize this is the only way an entire community can reach the place they call home. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms.

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