hurricane ian. first responders are continuing rescue efforts, and the hardest hit areas. but the death toll is rising. president biden will tour the damage this week, as emergency teams work to get aid to survivors. we are on the ground in storm-ravaged florida. plus, we are 37 days away from midterm elections, folks. i have a message from democratic friends. with dina voters, they are persuadable voters. and campaigns should act accordingly. we are going to dig into what a new nbc news telemundo poll tells us about this diverse group. and in the regroup today, you know we have to get into the first all-black majorettes team at usc, and folks criticizing liz over what should have been a beautiful moment with james madison's historic glass flute. i'm simone sanders, and i have something to say.

the scope of hurricane ian's devastation is becoming clearer for days after the category four storm slammed into the coast of southwest florida, with record-breaking strength. 85 people are dead, 81 in florida, and four in north carolina. the death toll rises each time rescue crews reached new areas. and searches are going on around the clock. but some people are still stranded and waiting for help, like these residents of sanibel island. >> there has been no communication, nobody official has come on to the island to tell us what is going on. >> we don't have places to go, we have no cars to get their. >> lack of food, medicine, clean water, and electricity. these are all on the list of tops concerns. more than 1 million people are still without power across four states. now, president biden says he

and the first lady will travel tomorrow to puerto rico, which is still reeling from hurricane fiona, and tour damage in florida on wednesday. >> our hearts, to state the obvious, it can't go without saying, are heavy with a devastating hurricane and storms in puerto rico, florida, and south carolina. and we owe puerto rico hell of a lot more than they've already gotten. >> let's go right to one of the hardest hit areas nbc news correspondent liz mclaughlin is on the ground in fort myers beach, in florida. liz, thank you for being here today. what are the living conditions like for folks if they even still have homes at all? and what are you hearing from residents who are stranded? >> it's just a struggle, simone. search and rescue crews have been coming in and out all day, especially here in lee county, one of the hardest hit areas. those casualty numbers are on the rise, and a majority of them are in this area.

fort myers, pine island. you can see behind me, this yacht that just crushed a car. we are actually football field away from the water that surged above the power lines behind me, to push those boats around. the rubble is just endless. so it will take so long to go through, and the challenges are also endless for these crews, trying to work. we are learning that residents won't be able to come back here to fort myers for at least a week, while they continue to try to find people that need help. pine island, and sanibel are these barrier islands, especially tough for crews to get to because there is only one way in and out, and the hurricane destroyed that. it is really crazy to see. the only way they can get access to supplies, to portable water, to be able to come back to dry land is by air or by boat. and we saw the coast guard, the national guard, neighbors, helping neighbors to go pick up people who needed to come home. more than 800,000 statewide without power, and many

statewide without power. just struggling. we talked to residents as they got off that boat, many grateful to be alive. and we talk to young people who had pretty good spirits about riding out the storm. let's listen. >> i was kind of nervous. >> we have a lot of tornadoes back in oklahoma, so i'm kind of used to it. i've been three tornadoes already. >> she was ready. i was not. >> i wasn't worried at all. >> that young woman from oklahoma, but she was there on pine island because she evacuated from miami. actually, on the day the hurricane came, went on a first date with that young gentlemen there, and went back to their families home on pine island to ride out the storm. i don't think they knew that their first date would be three days long, without power, battered in their, helping neighbors who were trying to run from their flooded homes. needless to say, it was a bonding experience for them.

and luckily, they like each other. i think they're going to go on a second date, simone. >> all right. a terrible experience, but i am so happy that people are finding hope, even in this tragedy. nbc's liz mclaughlin, thank you so much. >> i want to bring in now the city manager of the barrier island town that was hit head on by ian. dana souza of sanibel, florida. thank you so much for being here. first, our hearts go out to you and all of the people of sanibel. you've a population of about 7300, but the island is no longer inhabitable. you have been a evacuating the residents who chose to ride out the storm on the island. lee county, which include sanibel, reports 42 deaths. that is almost half of all the deaths so far in florida. do you think it would have made a difference if emergency managers in lee county gave the evacuation order on monday?

instead of waiting until the day before and hit. >> i, thank you simone. and thank you for focusing on our area and sanibel specifically. i know that in these storms, we did provide some early warning to our residents, to consider evacuating. i know specifically for sanibel, our city council recommended that there be a volunteer evacuation ahead of the storm. and the storm was wobbling. and as it came off, the projection started to move out and away. so when you start to see those -- the takeaway from our part of the coast, we might get tropical storm force winds, and up into the panhandle. this happens frequently with tropical storms to pass our area. much like hurricane charlie many years ago, this one decided to turn in southwest

florida. so it took some people off guard. but i know that in lee county, they did the very best they could to track the storm issued evacuation order when i felt it was appropriate. and just south of us, the issue did on sunday, and i do believe that lee county issued on monday. >> mr. souza, do you know how many people are still on the island? >> no, we don't. and what i can tell you, simone, how many evacuate we have evacuated so far. the first few days, it was slow, and we had taken -- yesterday, about 250 people were evacuated, in the santa belle fire and rescue department estimates about 200 250 will be evacuated today. we know there are more people on the island, there are some that don't want to leave. but there is no water, there is no electricity, there is no sewer, there is no grocery opportunities. and the bridge that connects sanibel to the mainland has

been destroyed. there are five breaches within that bridge, so it makes it impassable. so we encourage people to evacuate as quickly as they can to protect their own health and welfare. >> and when they are evacuated, where do they go? we are showing folks, as you are speaking, images of the island, and as people can see, there is nothing there in some instances. buildings are empty, windows are blown out. so we are people going? >> the city of sanibel has provided boat shuttle service between sanibel and the mainland. and there are emergency medical technicians through the emergency operation center in lee county. they have people standing by to assist people, and there are buses that will take them to one of the larger shelters in the area. there is medical attention, food, water, air conditioning that they have been without for days now. and then it's also a place where they can be reunited with family members and friends.

>> mr. souza, thank you so much for being with us today. i know this is a trying time for all of the people of florida. folks in sanibel, especially. and our hearts are with you. thank you for your time. >> yes, thank you very much, simone. >> thank you. for more on what is being done on the federal level, we will now talk federal level and help hurricane victims. we have frog hugh gates, he is joining me on the phone from gainesville, florida. he is the chief resilience officer for one concern, and the former administrator of fema. thank you for being with us today, craig. it is my understanding that you are in gainesville, you're on the phone because there is spotty internet service out there. i'm wondering if you can just start by bringing our viewers into what people on the ground are dealing with. >> well, what people are dealing with on the ground is exactly what you heard on sanibel island. it varies across the area, some areas are getting power back up, some areas were getting water

back up. the lee county coast area, up into charlotte county, they have the brunt of the storm surge and then inland flooding. they are still not able to get it back up, that is why they are getting them into these shelters on the mainland, getting the basic services, and then the next step is getting fema assistance to provide temporary housing for those who don't have a place to go back home to. >> we know that president biden has approved disaster declarations in three states and puerto rico. people in these states and territories can't start applying for aid to fema immediately. but fema has been criticized to be slow to deliver in the past. realistically, craig, how long should we expect it to take for some of these folks to get relief? >> what fema can do is those people need a temporary place to live, they will put them up in hotels motels are available

outside that immediate area. that's the first thing. the second thing is, fema can do partial payment and assistance. this is something we need to be clear about. if you've got insurance, we want you to deal with your insurance. congress never intended for fema to duplicate other types of assistance. so your first thing is insurance. if you don't have insurance, but you can't afford alone, really the fema assistance is awarded to people who are most vulnerable. people who are without insurance, people who are not able to secure financing to take care of themselves. and those are grants. fema tries to get to that determination as quick as possible. the other thing that fema is doing is a lot of times, people didn't have these designations. it is hard to prove where they lived. and fema has accepted a lot more ways -- those are the people that fema will help first.

>> and these disasters, i want to talk about the grants that you discussed. people who qualify can get a maximum of two payments of $37,900 per family. one payment is for home repairs, the other payment is for lost property. but if you are a family, craig, that has lost everything, $75,000 really may not be enough. so should folks have a mindset that they won't be getting everything replaced? should people start lowering their expectations here? and what other help can people in florida, south carolina, north carolina, puerto rico expect? >> simone, you bring up a great point. we've dealt with this before. a lot of this is flood damage, people didn't have flood insurance, so they don't have any coverage. fema was not designed by congress to start the recovery. that's why historically, we've had to go back to congress and

-- for community blocked grant program for disasters. if you go back to 2016, flooding in louisiana, we go back to flooding in texas. that was one of the funds that was made available to the state to help homeowners take that final step to get the repairs and get back in their home. fema is like the beginning, like the long term permanent work will have to turn to hug and their ability to secure long term funding as congress provides the additional assistance. >> all right. well, we will be keeping with his story. craig, thank you for joining us and please stay safe. we appreciate your time. coming up on symone, both parties are shelling out billions with a b, folks, on political ads. we will discuss how that's having an impact on some of the most critical midterm races. and later in the hour, our divine nine series continues with the international president of five beta stigma

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and found the 54% of respondents want democrats to keep control of congress, while 33% want to give republicans a shot at the gavel. and then you have 13% who just aren't so sure. that 13%, they're going to be crucial in the midterm and who is making the laws that govern your life next year. but there are persuadable, and i would argue, so are the folks that want democrats to keep the gavel. and ernie, these votes are going to be key and expensive. they have spent a combined 6.4 billion dollars on ads, with more than 50 million spent the last 30 days alone, according to nonpartisan data trackers. that is one of the most expensive cycles in american history. we have quinton james, the president of the collective pact. ivan gutierrez is a managing director of the latino victory fund. welcome to you, friends. okay, i can think of two better

people to have this conversation with. quinton, let's start with you. republicans, they made it rain with september ad blitzes for candidates in pennsylvania and in wisconsin. democratic campaigns really need to be putting dollars towards countering republican ads in targeted ways. that means finding out where republican opponents are most vulnerable, finding out where the attacks that are being levied against him are sticking, and then hitting back in addressing it. do you think that democratic candidates and campaigns are meeting this moment? >> simone, thank you so much for having me. i do think the campaigns are ready for this moment. we are going to start -- it's a change in the campaign. we're going to start seeing more of that. but what we hear around the country on the ground is that people really like when they see democrats fighting. they want to see more advertising, they to see more aggressive messaging. as we head throughout the midterm elections.

>> i will be paying attention. it takes money to be more aggressive, and in north carolina especially, republicans spent $4 million more than democrats and last month. but maybe that's going to change in october. even, we have this new telemundo poll out today of latino voters, and we are going to put it up on the screen for folks. but 23%, let me read for you. 23% of folks said the cost of living fingers are top concern. the second top concern said democracy. 17% of votes said jobs in the economy. okay, latino voters care about jobs. the economy, democracy, same things as other folks, white voters. far more respondents trust the democrats are going to protect democracy more than republicans. but the numbers really start to narrow when we look at the cost of living, and more latino voters actually think republicans do it better job than democrats and dealing with the economy. what do you think is going on here?

do you think democrats are touting their economic record enough? >> thank you so much for having me, simone. one thing i want to lift, 32 million latinos are eligible to vote in this country. the second largest voting bloc. this is huge. latinos will determine elections, and i am so glad you got into the crosshairs of this poll. i did myself, as well. but i it was really striking to me. the cost of living, this is a no-brainer. we know this, we know cost of living, we know the economy. latino voters are persuasion voters, they are like all americans who are concerned about their pocketbooks. and i think that to quinton's point, it's important we talk as democrats about how we are going to fight and deliver. and also, clearly latinos feel the democrats are more in line with their values. if we talk about the values, if we talk about the way that we are going to fight and deliver, and how, this is really going to be critical in this election. also what is really striking around the democracy peace and the threats to democracy, we know that we have trump enthusiastic, election deniers

running for secretaries of state. and it is critical that we are also lifting that messaging, as well. and that democrats stand with these values. >> i want to stick on this point. because quinton, poll after poll has shown that most americans think the country is headed in the wrong direction. i think that's a reflection of how people feel. i think the fact that as ivan just said, election deniers are on the ballot, it concerns me. how can democrats convince voters that they are the ones to bring it back on track? especially when they already nearly control congress as we speak. >> listen. i think it's a really great point. it's something to be concerned about. but at the same time, joe biden has delivered huge progressive wins for this country. so we have to go out and tout student loan reforms, we have to tout health care reform, we have to tout the inflation reduction act and everything that will do for our economy. the trick is, will folks feel

that by the time we get to the november election? versus will it come next january, february. but i think there is a real good story to tell. we have to get the megaphone skit on the airwaves more aggressively. there are donors out there, other folks out there. you need to think about, do you hear the democratic messaging enough? if you don't, that is in your control, especially since we have the resources to deliver the messages to voters before november. >> you know, they are telling me we have to go. but i want to get into this quick point about persuadable voters. i think that clinton would agree with me when i see the black voters are persuadable voters. i think you agree when i say latino voters are persuadable voters. do you think, even, on a very quick from yale, that democrats are treating latino voters as persuadable voters? >> yes and no. i think sometimes, we see it strong, we see it clear. sometimes, we can be doing a better job. we need to do a better job all the time. >> all right. quinton, very quickly, yay or nay, black votes upper suede will voters? >> of course. we are seeing it right now,

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on the supreme court on friday. the court's new term starts tomorrow, and this term to be more consequential than the last, with the court poised to your cases on voting. how states can decide elections, affirmative action, gay rights, and more. this is all against the backdrop of a court crisis marked by inviting, polarization, and record low public confidence. our legal panel is joining me now to discuss. maya wylie is a civil rights attorney and former u.s. assistant attorney, and mark joseph stern as a senior writer at slate. welcome to you both. i want to talk about some of the most consequential cases. i want to start with merrill v. milligan. i want to start with a case that has a redistricting map by -- its slash majority black congressional districts in the state from 2 to 1. plaintiffs say that this violated section two of the voting rights act, which prohibits voting practices the description nate on the basis of race. the lower court agreed. but earlier this year, the

supreme court put a hold on that ruling, and other nation's highest court will essentially decide whether the core principle of the voting rights act, protecting the right to vote from races dissemination will survive. what is at stake? leave it out for the people. what is at stake of the plaintiffs lose? >> what is at stake is the one of the last best pieces of antidiscrimination legislation we have on voting rights. that is the one that says, look, you just can't discriminate and in this case, dilute the political voice of people based on their race. in this case, black people. because in alabama, we literally have the largest population growth between the last two censuses. it was black population, and as almost a third of the population, black folks don't have the ability to choose who they send to congress, commensurate with the power that their political voice should have. but once it does that, it

doesn't just do that for alabama. it does that for the entire country, which opens the floodgates to more discrimination against voters who are black, latino, native american, who are asian. anybody that poses a threat to the powers that be, who control state legislatures. >> it's about -- so we'll have to check me on this. the 27% of the voters in alabama are black. mark, the supreme court in a 54 decision earlier this year decided to stay that lower court ruling for two reasons. first, they said it was too close to an election. if it was february. we'll go with that. secondly, they said that it would review the case in session. in 2015, they gutted section four of the voting rights act. now, the voting rights act is on life support. if we lose section two, will it not be dead? >> it will be dead. because section two is, as maya said, the last best hope against racist voting

discrimination. the whole point of this law was to protect the political power of racial minorities. to force courts to look at how states are drawing these maps, and ask whether they are ensuring that racial minorities are having an equal opportunity in the electoral process. i am quoting from the bill right there. and yet, conservative judges and quite possibly the supreme court may soon say that the voting rights act must be color blind, that courts are not even allowed to consider race for legislatures. and that it is just a coincidence, there is simply nothing courts can do about it. because to ensure the black folks have equal representation, that would be the real discrimination, and that would violate the equal protection clause. it's this topsy-turvy kind of reasoning that the court is also going to use in its affirmative action case. where it is going to say, i think, that allowing racial minorities to attend these universities is actually discriminating against them. since this very shallow sense of color blindness that these

conservative justices are going to use to eradicate all color conscious remedies to real civil rights violations. >> if anybody thinks we are live in a color blind society, i want to remind them to the racist backlash to the first black president. i want to move to more of the harper. this is a case that revolves around the so-called independent legislature doctrine. and it could severely limit the ability of state courts to rule on any matter involving federal election. okay? that is key. leaving that power solely to the tape state legislature, and whichever party controls it. maya, state court oversight or federal elections. that is essential inspiring us from a constitutional crisis back in 2020. doesn't this case threat to remove that barrier, or that protection? >> it certainly does. look, this is a case where the court did the right thing and said, look, we're not going to have these kinds of shenanigans. and so, interesting lee, the supreme court said okay, okay, and we're going to let that stand because it's a state

court. by the, way they've given out basically get an election free card in other states, like alabama, where they said sure, go ahead, we'll decide it later. but that's essentially a get an election free card. 5 to 7 house seats are at risk just in the four states that they've been given that power to move forward with discriminatory districts. but this is the point about -- we are literally saying, when a state court, an independent state court decides under its own constitution and laws, the discrimination is going to happen. then, would we be able to say, now it's federal. so in other words, when states are taking rights away, we will say it is fine. but when states are protecting rights, we will say you can't do that? i'm not saying that's what the court will do, that would be the impact, essentially. >> concerning, to say the least. maya wiley, thank you both for being here. very smart people for breaking it down. all right, ahead, my next guest and our divine nine series, the

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are only 37 days away from the midterm elections. the polls have tightened, voters are paying attention, and very soon, early voting in key states will begin. today, we are continuing our series of conversations with the president of the divine nine, with international president of fly beta sigma fraternity incorporated. fly beta significantly incorporated was founded at howard university in 1914, by three black men who wanted to exemplify brotherhood, scholarship, and service. their motto, culture for service and service for humanity. it is built upon the principles of delivering skills back to the communities and people they serve. there are 599 active chapters, and 225,000 members have been initiated since it was founded. i want to bring in chris wray, the 36 international present to

five beta signal fortunately incorporated. amir, i helped get -- that was one of the first races i've ever worked on. it's a full circle moment for me, sir. they made you the international president. well, let's talk about this president. you have 24 graduate chapters and 17 undergraduate chapters in florida, alone. who used to is mobilizing to help floridians in the aftermath of ian? >> let me first say, thank you for the invitation, for being here. florida is one of our largest states. we have about 200 brothers that we know right now that have been impacted, a little over 200 brothers have been impacted. one, specifically, in the fort myers area. he's 93 years old, brother ulysses bryant, whose homes completely flooded. and so we as a brotherhood are wrapping our arms around him and getting him all the services that he needs until the government moves in, and they start doing their part. one of the things we are telling our brothers to do now

is to make sure that they secure the families, make sure they have what they need. when it's necessary in the communities that are going to meet us, that is what we do. that is what members of five beta statement to, we've been doing its last hundred eight years. we are trying to make sure that we are in a place where we are going to be a help, because there are some devastated areas have been impacted. >> to say the least, we've been showing the images on our show throughout the network, and it is in florida, devastation, not to mention puerto rico, where the president leaving tomorrow. i want to talk about the midterm election, because five beta sigma actually lead the way for the divine nine's to tell somebody. we have the psa, it was narrated by jennifer lewis. i want folks to take a look at this, because it's specifically advocated for women's bodily autonomy. take a listen, folks. >> tell somebody. the supreme court's decision to

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and so we are having, whether they are town halls, webinars, making sure the individuals know the kind of candidates that are running. because if you are in a specific partisan when you are for us. so you have to make sure that you are educating the individuals that are running. but then also, after you have registered them, after you have educated them, now you've got to get them to the polls. and so come election day, our money mantra to our brothers is, make sure you don't go to the polls by yourself. make sure you take someone with you, then on election day, you make sure that you are standing out at the polls, that you are passing out literature. pass out water in the states that you can. but the day after election day, you should absolutely be exhausted. you should be tired, because we've done everything that we were supposed to do to get the people out because of the issues. i know that stigma 2014, you all have a 1 million dollar war chest, what are some of the key

candidates you have endorsed? >> of course right now, we are looking at senator warnock, because we recognize that he speaks to the values that are important to us. we have senator kamala auger that is out of california, who is going to be over the next -- that are important to our community, and we are focused on making sure that we unidentified other candidates they're doing that as well. >> thank you so much for being here. for breaking it down for the people. i appreciate you, my friend. chris wray, these 36th international president of taipei to cigna -- thank you for having us. >> up, next time for the regroup. we are getting into our culture critic center, and the u.s. see major rep team. we are seeing mixed reviews, staying with us. staying with us. sembled. tony, the new outlaw's got double pepper jack and juicy steak. let's get some more analysis on that, chuck. mmm. pepper jack.

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where we turn to our culture critics for the regroup, we have assembled some conversations that are percolating in your group chats. here with me today's television personality into mental health advocate, jade mathis. a pop culture effort, i thought it is important that we had a mental health expert today. i want to first start with the university of southern california princess laying. she is a student, she sparked a little debate when she posted a video on twitter of the all black team that she created at usc. some say that she should have enrolled in hbcu if she enrolled in a black college experience. that's what i said, we all went to pwi's, to make it very clear. what do you all think? there are some other people out there whose criticism is more so about the fact that u.s. sees majorettes team is getting

more exposure, they were on jennifer hudson's new show, we are talking about them here. and then the hbcu majorettes teams that have been doing this for years that were the basis for princess lengths group. let's discuss. >> i'm happy with it. i'm not even going to live. yes, i did go to a pwi, as we all did, we all know. my thing is, i'm black in all spaces that i'm in, why can't i carry that with me? but i think it is also important hopefully that she is able to help spread the word about the historical context for which those drilled seams, the majorettes come from. and so i think it is a great dorm opener for her, not only them and the team. >> i'm going to have to agree with ritchie. i'm not against this, i like this. what i don't want us to start doing as a society is policing how black people show up in places and spaces that are not black, and telling us how we can show up. i think this is a progression.

we were not able to do this historically, taking to those, and so i'm not mad at the idea of -- >> what about the people that are concerned? i do think that there is -- i understand the criticism, because the hbcu major at teams are not getting this level of access and exposure. the j sets -- nobody said princess lying to this, look at what's happening at jackson state. they're just highlighting usc it's not that -- it's a team that everyone cared about it. >> the part for me is that knowing that we all went to pwi's, nobody -- the only black person in an all white space. the importance of that, i don't want to say it doesn't outweigh where they are with that complaint, but i think it is also important to embrace this. >> all right, all right, i don't necessarily disagree, but i'll let the people come for you in the comments.

i want to move on and talk about lizzo, lizzo is a classically-trained flutist, and she has been hit with backlash. this is after the library of congress agreed to let her play james madison's 200 year old crystal flute. the flute was lent to lizzo by karla b. hayden, who is the first african american woman to lead the library of congress. this moment should have enticed people to read a book, and maybe learn more about the history behind the flute, but instead some conservatives were offended. jade, i find it very odd that some folks all of a sudden decided to care about classic flutes when lizzo, and black women picked up the flute. this is a little ridiculous to me, and i think it is people showing their true colors. >> so conservatives, they are always triggered by something besides the things that they need to be triggered by. while they say online that they thought it was degrading to the united states. who are you to determine what

is degrading -- >> and what was degrading about? it was it degrading that the flute was played, or who was playing the flute? >> exactly. who are used to determine the united states history. if you want to go down that route, we can play the game. >> we can play the game. i want to go move to hocus pocus really quickly, because we all agree that lizzo is absolutely ridiculous hocus pocus two is out. october is here, that means halloween is around the corner. hocus pocus two has hit the airwaves, and it has a millennial cult fouling. i think that the original in 1993 was a box office bomb back then. some are calling this equal less than magical. the question here is, are some feels better without the sequel, and our people -- 's hocus pocus to really that bad? >> i don't think is that bad. i really don't. i think there's a nostalgia to, it there's halloween, it's in the spirit of halloween. why shouldn't we invite this back? i feel like it's kind of like glitter.

you remember glitter. right? >> was there a glitter to? >> i think it is only now that we realize the cult classic that glitter is. as a result, i feel like we can start to welcome these classics back with these parties, and the extended versions. i love it. >> i want to be very clear, i want to see a glitter to. we want to keep the original. i would say that hocus pocus is one of my favorite movies growing up. it is the prime example of, just because you have, it doesn't mean that -- >> oh my goodness. >> i think they could've left it alone. they remembered with the main cast member thinks. >> he was a legend, he made hocus pocus. i don't know who this new cat was, make sure you leave it alone. >> i don't aspire anybody that hadn't seen it. in the trailer, this part is not in the trailer. the cabbage in the trailer, and then all of a sudden the magic appears, the candle is here. we did not hear anything from

banks. i think that this sequel was cute. i haven't finished it all the way, i fell asleep on it last night. i had to wake up and with the press this morning. i do not want to see a glitter to. please don't advocate for that. heaven snow, this is a wrap. richie's guy, jaden mathis, thank you so much. somebody get richie off of my set. thank you so much for staying on this said this afternoon. you can catch me on msnbc weekends at 4 pm eastern. and i have new episodes on the inner city see -- every monday and tuesday. behind the scenes and videos, you can follow us on instagram, twitter, and the ticket top politicsnation, with the great -- that starts right after a short break. en you can't sleep... try zzzquil pure zzzs gummies. from the world's #1 sleep aid brand. its special formula helps you fall asleep

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