it's always bringing a fresh perspective to that daily practices and then being open to what happens. >> awesome. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, ari, appreciate it. >> thank you so much. and our question for you, which you can hit me @ari melber on any platform, who was your favorite classical artist, they were the pop stars of their era. @ari melber, where you can connect with me. the "the reidout" is next. tonight on "the reidout." >> family values, people, four kids, four different women. wasn't in the house raising one of them. he was out having sex with other women. do you care about family lives. lie after lie after lie, the abortion part drops yesterday, it's his handwriting on the card, they say he has receipts, he gets on twitter.

he lies about it. >> his own son tells herschel walker to stop the lies after new allegations suggest serious hypocrisy on abortion and reveal the scam of the christian rights family values brand. trump called the three justices, he picked my justices, he asked the supreme court to intervene on his classified documents, and i have two very special guests tonight, former attorney general eric holder joins me as the supreme court hears a case with major implications for what's left of the voting rights act, and john fetterman on his race for united states senate in pennsylvania. it is getting tighter and could decide which party wins control. we begin tonight with family values. as exemplified by perhaps the most iconic family in american sitcom history. >> the adventures of ozzie and harriet starring the entire

nelson family. here's ozzie. here's harriet. here's david. and here's ricky. here they are, america's favorite family, the nelsons. >> yes, that's right, ozzie and harriet, the perfect example of post world war ii middle class family values. except it was kind of phoney. the real life version of tv's favorite family, the nelsons was far from rosy, and the types of 1950s white housewives represented by harriet, a lot of them were miserable. just asked betty. the 80s and 90s, and the concept of family values got weaponized as a catch all to opposition, all the dirty social progress from the civil rights movement and women's liberation, and used as a cudgel against democrats. look no further than ronald reagan at the 1992 republican

convention. >> over and over they told us they are not the party they were. they kept telling us with straight face that they're for family values. they're for a strong america. they're for less intrusive government. and they call me an actor. >> yeah, except ronald reagan himself wasn't exactly some virtuous christian warrior. that's never been the case in the republican party and the commitment to family values appears to be a sketch. despite the maga republicans repeatedly touting their bona fides. >> god uses the foolish to found the wise and he uses people like you and my to change history. we're going to take this state by storm. >> god told me it would be a sign and a wonder to the unbeliever and let me tell you, we had no money, no name recognition, and we won by ten points. i'm a professional rhino hunter.

>> when i said i'm a christian nationalist, i have nothing to be ashamed of and that will make america great again. when we lean into biblical principles. >> that would be the christian nationalist doug mastriano who has been subpoenaed by the house january 6th committee and lauren boebert who's accused the left of grooming children, never mind the fact that her own husband did jail time for public indecency after exposing his willy wonker to a teenager. and marjorie taylor greene, does she get to keep all three names, whose principles include anti-semitic principles, and islamic attacks, in addition to her current divorce after multiple allegations of affairs. family values, and of course there is also their false idol, the former president whose campaign many assumed would be done and dusted after video of him proclaiming he could just grab women by the you know what, was released. only for him to get 80% of the white evangelical vote in 2016,

what's clear is the christian branding values are a branding exercise. republicans care about opposing gay and transpeople living their lives openly, and they clearly care about people presenting hetero normative marriages. when it comes to abortion, well, you probably heard about the latest news about donald trump's hand picked republican candidate for georgia senator herschel walker who talked up his antiabortion absolutist position earlier this career. >> well, there's not a national ban on abortion right now, and i think that's a problem. we keep talking about things like that. right now, i'm for life. >> in fact, he supports an abortion ban with no exceptions, not rape, not incest, not health of the mother. there was a herschel exception. he urged a woman he dated in

2009 who asked to remain anonymous for privacy concerns to get an abortion, which she did, and she claims he paid for it. nbc news has not independently verified the report. the daily beast corroborated details, and got reforms in the form of a get well soon card signed by walker. for his part, he has threatened to sue "the daily beast" though he hasn't yet, and he denies the allegation. >> i send out so many get well, so much of anything, but i can tell you right now, i never asked anyone to get an abortion. i never paid for an abortion, and it's a lie. >> what about the $700 check, is there anybody you can remember sending that much money to? >> i send money to a lot of people, and that's what's so funny. >> but his own son appears to believe it. christian walker has blasted his father in a series of tweets and

videos. >> i'm just saying, i'm done with the lies. we were told at the beginning of this he was going to get ahead of his past, hold himself accountable all of these different things. that would have been fine. go ahead, everything has been a lie. everything has been down played. >> among the elements of his father's past that christian corroborated, his father's alleged violent behavior towards his mother, herschel walker's ex-wife, and multiple children he fathered while lecturing about black absentee fathers. they are standing by walker, not that they have much of a choice, a super pac aligned with mitch mcconnell will not be, rick scott said this is just like the smears they attempted against brett kavanaugh and clarence thomas, and it will not work. joining me is democratic strategist and contributor to

the los angeles times, author of white evangelical racism, the politics of morality in america. very convenient that we have the author of that book here. i'm going to start with you urt can. i'm not sure republicans see their brand. rick scott who we will remember associated with medicare fraud and got elected governor and united states senator. he quotes kavanaugh and clarence thomas, two people who are credibly accused sex offenders. herschel walker ain't accused of that. what is going on here? >> i mean, if that's your alibi, i think you're trending some deep water there, but this is the thing about the republican party -- >> i shouldn't say sex offenders. >> this is the do as i say, not as i do.

they're all about no one should have an abortion, except if the father needs one, we're willing to look the other way, and fund raise for you. they hate big government but they want government telling you what you can and cannot do with your body. they hate socialism but they're all of a sudden going to be asking the federal government for billions and billions of dollars to help rebuild florida, they voted against rebuilding certain other states hit by hurricanes and storms but they want that for themselves. everything the republican party is about is do as i say, not as i do. family values is a slogan. it's branding. it doesn't mean anything. the guy they have lined up behind, the person they have been willing to burn democracy down had an affair with a porn star while his wife was pregnant with their son. that's family values in the republican party. >> the thing is, as somebody who grew up in the church, it is fascinating to watch the way that the idolatry around trump has grown up. i mean, literally at one of the cpacs, people fell down in front

of a golden statue of donald trump without any sense of irony that this looks like something out of the old testament. the evangelicals are his base. they are also the qanon base, and there is this rapid move toward turning maga into a religion. what do you make of that? because to me, i don't think there is a single evangelical georgia voter that's going to change their mind because herschel walker had, you know, paid for an abortion. i don't think they care. >> no, they don't care. and i need to tell you that they're not going to care and that they'll still vote for herschel walker because basically today there was a prayer warriors for herschel walker that met at a large baptist church, charles stanley, and they prayed for him today, and prayed against the enemy trying to get at him. what you need to understand is this, i think i need to make this clear. morality has been a shield for the republican party and evangelicals a very long time.

evangelicals don't believe in this morality for anybody else. ted haggard and others, forgiveness is always given to men. women are put out to pasture, cannot be in the pulpit, but if a man does something, you can get prayer, repent and move on. that's their theological stance. they believe that it is okay for everything that they do, but it's not okay for everyone else to do it. they're going after warnock, the pastor of dr. king's church in atlanta. he's divorced and they have gone after him. let me play the ad that reverend warnock has been running about herschel walker, and this is before the latest scandal broke. >> there's one issue where herschel walker actually has made his position clear. >> do you accept any exceptions to abortion bans.

>> not right now i don't. >> he's for banning abortions, even in the case of rape, incest, and protecting the mother's life, and herschel walker wants to go further. there's not a national ban on abortion right now, and i think that's a problem. >> should herschel walker really be representing georgia. >> so we know that this will not change the base vote against walker, he's locked in, he can get 46% if he ran as a republican. no matter, right, but there are just as a campaign matter, since you have worked in this space, is this an issue because roe is a big issue for so many women, the idea that this guy could and very much would vote for a national abortion ban. we know that's how he would vote. is that going to be enough to sway enough sort of middle of the road voters who are not hard core maga. >> i think it is because we have seen in recent polling that the national ban on abortion incites people even more than the

overturning of roe v. wade did, and this is typical republicans, the overreaching that they always do. it's like they caught the dollar that caught the car. now they want to go even further, and what we saw, we saw this in kansas, in alaska, we saw it in new york. every election that we've had since roe was overturned, we've seen robust democrat, exceeding expectations, and that tells us it is a road map what we can expect if we keep playing this play book, things that will not show up in the polls, and i think you're going to see a massive turnout surge because republicans can't stop talking about wanting to take away women's rights in america. >> some states, we have been talking about going after birth control, and i think the other thing is we have known in the past, you know, there's been a lot of activism inside of the church inside black and hispanic churches and latino churches. is this an issue. they're against abortion, nonwhite evangelicals but they

are dead set against the idea of the government owning the female body. this is activating, i think, even christian voters who are not maga christians, but regular christian voters. do you think there's been enough to try and activate those voters. >> i think there could be more. i'm disappointed in the black church across the country. i haven't seen the kind of mobilization we're used to seeing. i do think there are a number of christian voters who are disgusted with the hypocrisy of evangelicals in the republican party and are willing to vote for women's rights because they know this is a right thing and a matter of personal choice. it is not a matter to be legislated by the state or local or national government. and i think that's where we will see a very big difference in the polls. hopefully in november. >> yeah, i mean, it's not even about people's individual beliefs about abortion. it's literally whether or not you believe the state should control a woman's body, and

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it now may be up to the supreme court to determine the path forward over the justice

department's investigation of the classified documents seized during an fbi search of donald trump's mar-a-lago estate. today trump's lawyers filed an emergency request, a last ditch effort to overturn the 11th circuit court of appeals recent ruling, allowing the doj access to the documents, rather than having to go through a special master first. at the center of the doj's investigation is whether trump intentionally withheld documenting from being returned in the national archives, in other words, causing obstruction. "the washington post" has previously reported that trump had overseen the packing process himself of the initial 15 boxes returned to the archives in january with quote great secrecy, declining to show some items even to top aides. new reporting from the post appears to show the latter, that at the time, trump asked one of the lawyers to tell archives officials that he had turned over all the requested material. that lawyer, alex cannon refused

trump's request because he was not sure if other documents were at the club and would be uncomfortable making such a claim, according to people familiar with the matter. that was a good call by cannon. "the new york times" adds that months earlier cannon had warned trump that if he didn't return all the materials, the matter could result in a criminal referral. cannon is two for two. it's the same warning another former white house lawyer eric hirschmann to trump at the same time. joining me is barbara mcquade and friend of the show, and barbara, i guess my basic question knowing that clarence thomas is the one who gets to make the initial decision because he oversees the circuit of whether or not they take the case. that makes me assume he's going to rule in trump's favor. is a supreme court affirmation of a former president stealing classified documents and stealing government documents, is that what we need to brace ourselves for?

>> your thoughts are understandable joy, because the court has created a crisis of legitimacy, clarence thomas voted against the archives getting white house documents. he said all the substantiative due process cases are to be overturned. he really has demonstrated that he is not someone who follows the law as we would expect one to. i'm hopeful that even clarence thomas will realize it's an absurd argument that the government would not get to retain possession by documents marked classified. even if they were at one point declassified. it means that some agency in the intelligence community created that document. it is therefore a government document. and there's no way this is a personal document over which donald trump has any sort of claim to privilege or possession. and so for that reason, aisle be very surprised but of course i was surprised to see judge

cannon issue that order in the first instance regarding the special master. it may be that we're surprised, but legally it is a very very weak argument that the government should not be able to get the documents because without the special master's say so. >> it simply cannot be an abusive discretion of the district court to refer these matters to a special master to determine whether documents bearing classification markings, whether these records are personal records or presidential records. trump, his statement attacking, he sort of put a statement out saying i want my documents back. his lawyers, that was through his whatever statement, the lawyers seem to be allowing donald trump to continue to believe that he owns his documents, when everyone understands that he doesn't. i honestly cannot understand how we have taken it this far and

how it's even a question. i can't think of any other human being in the united states who could say government documents are mine and get this far all the way to the supreme court? >> yeah, well, donald trump has made a habit of winning by losing. even if he believes he will lose this case in the supreme court, it's a win because he can use it as a grievance in his own pr campaign about how unfairly he was treated. members of the public don't understand the difference. there's no way by definition, the documents whether currently or previously classified can in any way be considered his personal documents. a member of the intelligence community, one of those agencies would have had to create and mark those documents as classified, and therefore by definition, they do not belong to him. i'm hopeful that even clarence thomas and others on the court will see the law that way. >> let me ask you this, if donald trump is able to prevail and even get to review these classified documents to which he was not entitled or keep them

for any length of time, doesn't that mean the presidential record act is defunct, it doesn't exist anymore as a matter of law? >> yeah, these are -- and it isn't just that these are government records, but they are highly sensitive government records. he claims to have declassified them. there's no evidence of that whatsoever. even though that is not relevant to the statutes the government has used to obtain the search warrant in this case, it still means that these documents are like they're on fire. nobody should be touching these documents or reading these documents unless you have a need to know. president biden did not extend president trump the courtesy of a security clearance because he believed he was too high of a risk for it. the idea that you have someone uncleared who has access to these documents which reporting has said relate to things such as the nuclear capabilities of foreign nations. this man cannot be trusted to hold these things in his hands. >> wait until a smarter fascist is president of the united states.

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the upcoming election will determine what kind of democracy we have if we have one at all because elections have consequences, look at the supreme court which is turning back american democracy one ruling at the time. the republican delivered conservative majority feasted on another one of their favorite targets, the drawing of congressional lines based on power, not representation. the congressional map drawn in alabama. five weeks from now, voters will vote in eight congressional districts. seven of which are majority white and republican. one was set aside as a majority black district. months ago a three judge federal court panel and two trump appointees, they concentrated their voting power into a single house district even though the state's population is 27% black. that would have meant the state had to redraw their maps to include not one but two black majority districts. in february the state made an emergency plea to block the

ruling. the five ultra conservatives in the majority, including justices thomas, alito, gorsuch, thomas agreed they should revisit this. chief justice john roberts did not. alabama argued that drawing a second district for black voters would itself be racially discriminatory. it would favor black voters at the expense of the other voters. three liberal justices pressed why they should upend 40 years of precedent to rule it's basically okay to gerrymander a district against predominantly black communities. >> what strikes me about this case is that under our precedent, it's kind of a slam dunk. you're asking us essentially to cut back substantially on our 40 years of precedent and to make this too extremely difficult to prevail on. so what's left? >> on all the factors the district court looked at, it

concluded that the black belt community, which is a community of interest, was inappropriately cracked in three or four districts. why is that actionable? >> can you sustain your hypothesis that under traditional redistricting principles we can have a map that is drawn the way we ordinarily draw maps and has a majority of minorities? >> the conservative justices were way more conciliatory, and sure did sound eager to rule in alabama's favor, delivering a death nail to a voting rights act which they have eviscerated in the face of insurmountable forces, across the country people are fighting back. tonight we are bringing back the democracy defenders, people, groups, and students who are fighting against what seem like

unsurmountable challenges. one of those individuals is eric holder, since he left office as attorney general of the united states made it his mission literally to protect our democracy and execute a redistricting strategy that helps rebalance power with the national democratic redistricting committee. he wrote a play book on how we can save or democracy, our unfinished march, the violent past and imperilled vote, and attorney general eric holder joins me now, and mr. attorney general, thank you for being here. i only listened to snippets and follow on social media as folks like elie mystal were tweeting what was going on inside. the liberal justices were making coherent points, to literally protect the formerly enslaved and it seemed like the same normal five and six, they want to kill the voting rights act. is that the way you see it? >> it's hard to tell at this

point, i think justice kagan had it exactly right. this should not be a difficult case to resolve. this is a classic section 2 violation of the voting rights act of 1965, the crown jewel of the civil rights movement. the political power of african americans in alabama was diluted, unconstitutionally stach tor yally, inappropriately diluted. there should be statistics in alabama. 27% of the eligible voters. 14% when it comes down to the representation. there are sufficiently numerous -- sufficient number of african-americans who are geographically compact. it would not be hard to draw two normal looking districts that would give african americans the opportunity to vote for the candidate of their choice, presumably, presumably, but not without any doubt, presumably

another african-american congressman from the state of alabama. >> and obviously this was deliberately done. the former save states very deliberately embarked on a decades long crusade after reconstruction collapsed to lock out their formerly enslaved population from the vote. it's clear. mississippi has even a higher black population. it's like a third after can american, but you would never know it. they got the one congressman, bennie thompson, and four members in their state house, just, you know, 5 out of 44 are, you know, it's just i don't know, it feels like it's locked in now because you don't have a supreme court that even believes in the voting rights act. john roberts is the mildest of the six has been a crusade against the voting rights act since he was a lawyer in the reagan administration. even he doesn't believe it should exist, and clarence thomas and alito seem eager to kill it. are we looking at the death of voting rights act completely and

what will that mean? >> they certainly have hurt the voting rights act in the shelby case where they took away preclearance in the justice department. section two is a vital part of the act. that is certainly the fear that i have. my hope will be that they will look at precedent, look at principle and decide the case in the appropriate way. but here's something that i think the justices on the court need to consider. we have been talking a lot over the last couple of weeks over the legitimacy of the court. at some point when they do things that are totally inconsistent with precedent, totally inconsistent with the reauthorization of the voting rights act, since 1965, every time it was signed back into law by a republican president, when they do those kinds of things, it makes the american people question, are we dealing with judges who are deciding things in a neutral way or are they ideological in the way in which they are interpreting the law.

my concern is that they're going to be ideological. my hope is that they will, you know, follow precedent. follow the facts, apply the law in the neutral way that they should. if they do that, we will end up with what the alabama legislature tried to do, violating the voting rights of 1965. one thing i think is important here, this notion of some how these should be race blind. they cracked the districts there this such a way that they deprived african americans of their full electoral rights, and so people should not think that this was, you know, republicans happened to just do this and happened to show up. they did this in a very conscious way to make sure that african americans did not get the representation to which they are entitled. >> we know this is not in the south, ohio, voters will vote on the state constitutions, that's

unconstitutional, and they're still getting to vote on it. what can people do proactively with four or five weeks left. >> that's an extremely important point. this is not a southern thing now. what we're seeing in ohio, we're seeing in wisconsin, what we're seeing throughout the country are republican legislatures ignoring their own supreme courts, doing things totally inconsistent with both their state constitutions and federal statutes. the fight is not only in the old south, this is a nationwide fight. between now and then, i think americans have to get out and vote like they've never voted before. we should not be on who's running for governor, who controls the state legislature is important. vote for candidates who will be

democracy defenders. >> it is not sunday but you can get an amen on that. state representatives matter. former u.s. attorney general eric holder, thank you. coming up my interview with pennsylvania candidate john fetterman, speaking of elections. but we are exactly five weeks from the midterm elections, and early voting is starting soon in a lot of places and the one and only steve kornacki is at the big board with an update on where things stand. there he is, he's got his khakis on and he's ready to party. s, hs on and he's ready to party ♪i'm so defensive,♪ ♪i got bongos thumping in my chest♪ ♪and something tells me they don't beat me♪ ♪ ♪ ♪he'd better not take the ring from me.♪

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exactly five weeks from today, americans will be voting in perhaps the most consequential midterm election of our lifetimes. here to help us break down where it stands is msnbc political correspondent, steve kornacki, he's at the big board. let her rip. >> yeah, five weeks to go, so let's take a look here. first the big picture indicator, we always say the president's job approval rating, usually the most reliable indicator of how midterms are going to go. for democrats, not good news. joe biden's approval rating is 42.7%. put that in perspective with modern presidents in their first midterm. in biden's right at the same level that trump, that obama, that bill clinton were in what were brutal midterms for them. the only exception in modern times, george w. bush, a year

after 9/11. trump lost the house in '18 for obama. his party lost the party in '10. biden's approval rating is right in the range. that's the bad news for democrats. what has made this a little more complicated, though is when you look at the generic ballot, when you ask folks, democrat or republican, who would you like to see control congress next year, the republicans have the lead on average on this question. it's by one point. democrats actually were ahead until the last week or two. but if you look at the past in the most recent wave elections in midterms, 18, 14, 10, '06, these were all wave elections and the party that won those waves was up by more than a point at this juncture in the race. so the generic ballot closer than we've seen in wave elections of recent times. biden's approval rating looks bad for democrats. the generic ballot has them more competitive, though, that's what's causing a little bit of uncertainty here. take a look at the battle for

control in the senate, 50/50. kamala harris breaking the tie for democrats. if republicans can get a net gain of one seat, they will get control of the senate. let's take a look at the senate battleground in the polling here. here are the democratic held seats that republicans are trying to flip. you see there's one, nevada, where adam, laxalt, leads over katherine cortez. and john fetterman, he leads in the polling average there. if this is what it ended up looking like on election night. if the republican flipped the nevada seat and democrats flip the pennsylvania seat. that would be a win for democrats, it would keep the senate at 50/50. republicans have to net one more flip than democrats, that's the only way they get control of the senate. >> it just so happens that the race we're going to talk about literal after the break is the one you have circled on the

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cycle is in pennsylvania, where lieutenant governor's fate john fetterman facing off against celebrity tv doctor mehmet oz. it got national attention for fetterman's export trolling, for flying a banner over the jersey shore saying hey doctor oz welcome home to new jersey. a viral video of oz being crudités at a grocery store. this contest is nick could determine which party determines the upper chamber for the next two years which means potentially dealing with legislation like quarter thanks same-sex marriage and heading off republican efforts to ban abortion nationwide, and social security medicare. joining me now is pensacola lieutenant governor fetterman thank you so much for being here. >> hi it's so wonderful to be here. >> let's just jump right into

it. the polls show you on average ahead, but the story of the race in pennsylvania is that it's tightening between you and doctor oz. what do you attribute that to? >> it's absolutely that and everybody expected that the race would tighten because it dumped over $20 million with the lies and that's actually tightened the race but actually having mitch mcconnell's tens of millions and fox news bearing down on us more than all the candidates combine allowed us to not only withstand about were above just today couple came out they were had six points and that's a testament to the far record and how we be able to push back the lies and stand on the truth. >> so i mean delegates say you mean attacks like that that is

not an uncommon thing that's not anything strange but the other side is to tie you to do the thing they want to talk about, this political season is crime. even to the point of amal most embarrassed to say it, tie to the crips, gang membership tied to crime directly. what is that about and i know some of your tattoos are about time as mayor of braddock, pennsylvania. how do you respond to this idea that they are essentially trying to thaw guys you? >> it's absurd and it's the oz rule. when he's on tv, he's lying and he lies about my record on crime but the truth is that we in braddock as mayor in braddock was a community with significant gun violence issues. i ran for mayor for that issue,

and for five years we stop the gun violence in the killing, we stopped it. that is never been accomplished before or after. i run on my record. the tattoos are really just about dates. i was at the scene of every single single murder as mayor and it was a deeply purpose personal issue. iran on that issue and i was able to stop it. for five and a half years doctor oz has used his lie about that on tv. >> let me ask you also about an issue. it doesn't show up in the polls because it doesn't mean that people would even be honestly about it and it's your health. event health challenges the last year. do you think the people's concerns about your health are weighing in to their decision about whether to support you for the united states senate? >> absolutely. with my health is at my doctors,

real doctors as opposed to doctor oz all agree that i am fit to run and serve. doctor oz lies about my health as well. it's that oz rule again, when he's on tv he will be lying. the truth is also that in january i'm gonna be much better, but he will still be a fraud. that is the real here. he is going to use things whether it's my health or lying about my record on crime, because nobody wants to talk about himself, because the other side realizes they can't make anyone like them, so what they are trying to do is lie and force people to not like me. >> let me ask you about the issue of abortion. the dobbs ruling is weighing heavily on a lot of women voters. to hear about this a lot on the campaign trail because there is this other storyline that all people want to hear about is inflation not necessarily abortion?

>> because again, with abortion, doctor oz is considered to be a joke. it's not funny here, in pennsylvania and also in the nation. doctor oz has celebrated when roe v. wade fell. he has called every abortion a murder and he also believes that the choice to decide belongs with him, not with women and doctors. and his partner in pennsylvania, doug mastriano will have an extremist view on abortion and doctor oz refuses to answer the basic issue about the national abortion ban from senator graham. it's been 21 days where they refuse to answer it. doctor oz like to ridicule me that i miss a couple of words because of my stroke, but the two words that are missing from doctor oz is yes or no on the abortion ban here nationally and he refuses to give it. and i suspect he ever will because he understands how

extreme it is, and he wants to lie and make sure that people pretend that he doesn't have the exact same views as doug mastriano. >> my last question here i guess to you. you were so created a natural appeal to working class voters and younger voters. do you think there will be enough turnout among those two groups of voters that will turn it for you? because working class voters, and i mean not just working class voters, voters of color, even a need that turnout. will you be able to get it and? how >> absolutely. i'm proud to say that i was a four term mayor of the community that is a 75% black community here in western pennsylvania. i'm also proud of my campaign. in the primary i won all 67 counties in pennsylvania. that's never been done before in a democratic primary in pennsylvania history. we have reached out and to every county every vote type of campaign. there are many red counties

where we actually got more votes in our primary than dr. eyes got in his red county. we have run a very comprehensive campaign and proud of the race we have run, and we're gonna continue all to the end. >> pennsylvania without a governor and u.s. senate candidate john, fetterman thank you very much tougher timed. and >> thank you for having me. >> all right, a reminder of the last day to register to vote in pennsylvania's october 24th. last day to apply for a mail-in or absentee ballot is november 1st. and that is tonight's read out. make sure the register make sure the vote. all in with craziest. arsenault all in with craziest arsenaul tonight on all in. >> what about the 700 dollar check? is there anybody who you remember sending that much money to? >> well, i send money to a lot of people and that's what's so funny. >> it's an october surprise for the ages! >> the abortion card dropped