goods to be with you. i'm katy tur. there is only so much you can understand by seeing something on tv and now all of that devastation and debris, all of that overwhelming loss we've been witnessing from afar, for a week now, the president will witness up close. he and the first lady got their first look at the western shore of florida from the air this afternoon. taking an aerial tour of the damage in marine one. this is the view from the wing of the copter. the president and dr. biden are now on the ground and within all of this damage. and today's visit is especially tough because it is now a recovery effort down there, not a rescue mission. the survival window we told you about yesterday is pretty much closed, which means first responders do not expect to find any of the dozens that are still

missing alive. with each day, the death toll has also gone up. it is now at 112. moments like these are when we are supposed to see the best 0 n-our politicians, the rare moments when politics don't seem to matter and that is what we should see again today as president biden gets briefed by one of his chief critics, governor ron desantis, i don't need to tell you that the two don't see eye to eye. and for all of those dealing with the damage, having to start all over again, politics is not what is needed. relief is. >> to help, you know, and it's not one person and the other person, it is everybody here, we're all, you know, citizens of the united states, and you know, you always see it on tv, these places destroyed and gone, and you always say the poor people, and now all of a sudden it's us. >> is there anything you would

want him to know? >> the insurance is coming, make a move fast. >> i'm glad the president has okayed whatever the fed has helped and i know they don't see eye to eye, but something like this, everything's got to come together. >> you feel like everybody's coming together? >> yes, i do. >> the only way to survive it all. joining us from fort myers is nbc's shaq brewster, you are talking to folks who have message for the president. what do they want to hear? >> the big common things that you're hearing there, and you heard it a little bit right now, they want help and they want answers and there is abundantly clear for me at the disaster recovery center that just opened up yesterday and the main attraction, the main vendor so to speak is the fema team that is here. the fema disaster response team. there's an hours-long line in front of the entrance to this site here where people are waiting to go in. they don't specifically know what they're looking for but

they want to know what they need to do now. they have done the leanup at their home. they've done the cleanup at their business and now they want to know what are the next steps. so people here are waiting for hours trying to get that interaction with members of fema and start that claim process. we also know that in order to start that claim process, what many of them have been telling me is they usually need to file with their insurance if they have had insurance in the past. so there's also insurance vendors here. many of their mobile response teams are in this parking lot. this is essentially a one-stop-shop for people who are looking for help, to be able to come here and get that help. but as i've been talking to people, it has been very clear how widespread this damage is. you know, the president just wrapped up his aerial tour of fort myers, he got to see how extensive that damage is, but one thing you hear on the ground is just how widespread and how many people are impacted by it, even if it is not in the obvious ways. we know on fort myers beach, for example, that's where you see the very visual destruction, the boats on top of cars, the houses that are completely flattened,

but if you go inland, there is still significant flooding there. you go house to house in some neighborhoods and most of the contents of the house are outside on the curb. there are so many people who need help. so many people who are telling me today, they want to feel seen, they want to feel heard, but they want answers, and they want to know how they can recover from the destruction and devastation that they've been dealing with this past week. >> what is it like to be down there, to see it all with your own eyes? >> you know, i think you see it changing over the course of the time. i got into fort myers relatively late compared to some of our teams and when some of our initial teams got in, roads were not pass able to. get to our main broadcast location, we were limited to a specific area because satellite trucks were the only way to transmit reporting and we had to stay in a specific location and i'm now talking to you in a live view connected to a star link and that shows you how much communication has improved. and each day, it is improvement

and easier to travel around and many intersections where lights were closed and closed off, those are open and long lines for gas, those are now cleared off. the walmart where i regularly frankly use the bathroom because they have clean bathrooms outside of walmart there, it just opened for the first time today. so you're getting the signs of progress. that's kind of the pivot you're seeing here, where people are getting beyond that emergency relief, those initial questions of how do i get immediate food, how do i find immediate water and now starting to be the questions of what should i do in these weeks to come, where am i going to live if i don't have a house. they're going to be a shelter available for me? a person in line said they were staying with friends who are out of town and those friends are coming back next week so he needs to quickly figure out where to live and some of those questions are starting to get answered and you're definitely seeing progress in this area. >> so much of what we take for granted and not the least of which is a cell phone signal, wi-fi, internet service, not having any of that when you're talking about your live view, that's an indicator of that, a

little box that we use to get a signal for our tv, that goes up and laches on to wi-fi, starlink, as you mentioned. shaq, thank you very much. joining me from florida state fire, the fire marshal and chief financial officer, thank you very much for being with us, so as shaq outlined, it is starting to get a little better in the sense that, you know, crews can get there, and start to clean up the damage, and can start to repair power lines and get water running again, for the structures, so they can maintain that sort of infrastructure, and what is still standing. the president is there. he's seeing it with his own eyes. it is an opportunity to get the help from the federal government that florida needs. what are you asking for? what do you need? >> so what do we need, again, mother nature has been cooperative right now, we've had good weather, but our first responders have been working around the clock, now, we are,

you know, a week after the storm, and 100% of the hasty searches have been cleared, that is literally where the first responders is going door to door, is anybody there, can you hear my voice, please make a sound. so to my office, there is the coordination of the urban search and rescue first responders, and this is the largest deployment in the history of the united states to a single area since 9/11 to work for natural disasters. >> the scale of it is overwhelming. i know we're on the edge of the survival window, and actually we're past the survival window. what are you expecting to find now? >> so these first responders, let me give you a little bit of a difference between what they're going through now versus surfside. surfside was, it was pretty bleak to think you were going to find survivors at surfside. so they're motions were already pretty down in the first place.

these guys right now, you got to remember, they sign up for this job, because of saving lives, so i mean there's still, there's over 2,000 human interactions they've had of evac'ing people and grabbing folks. we have instances where they have defibrilated people back to life who have had heart attacks. here is the other thing that is going to happen, there is going to be a lot of deaths taking place in the coming weeks simply because people are having difficulty coping with the stress of this shear amount of destruction. hurricane michael devastated my hometown of panama city, so i understand this firsthand, this isn't my first rodeo, but we are here and i've been very appreciative of the support from the federal government. >> it is such a hard thing to witness, and i can only imagine how hard it is to actually be sifting through that debris to try to locate anybody that might still be trapped. there is a discussion right now about what could have been done better, everybody has 20/20

hindsight and a lot of talk about understanding the national weather service, when the hurricane center, when they put out these maps and the cone and what that means, and theres a r-, there's some misunderstanding of where the damage will be when you look at the cone and there are some questions whether the county followed the protocols that it had in place before the storm, and my colleague kerry sanders spoke with the lee county sheriff about that. i want to play that sound. >> is there a reason now that we've heard what you had to say for an after-action review, to consider what happened during the evacuation? >> i think any time where you have an incident, you have something significant, you look at it and say comprehensively, what have we experienced and what did we do and can we do better. from the very beginning, i stood by the call that was made 100%. and i wouldn't change anything. but moving forward, we always want to look at it comprehensively and see if there is something we can do, do better and change. >> yes, you're going to look

back on it with 20/20 vision and you're going to say okay, here is what we can do better next time and there is always the human condition, we need to consider the sociology of when to give someone a warning and whether they will listen to, that all of that needs to be taken into account, and as somebody who does this, the searches and the rescues, who specializes in this, do you have advise for what could be better the next time there is a hurricane? >> absolutely. so like i said, hurricane michael hit my hometown of panama city. my office does insurance, consumer services, and we also do fraud prevention. so what did i learn from hurricane michael that we're not going to tolerate this time, is these predators, these predatory actions that come in immediately after the storm and people are vulnerable, they're looking for solutions, you spoke to them, the internet is challenged, communications is challenged and people are making poor decisions based on lack of communication and these predators are going door to door and they're

literally taking their insurance claims from them. and they do it in a manner that technically is legal, but it's the worst of humanity you could ask to see take place. so again, if we learned something from every single disaster, we learn how to be better prepared, and we also learn how to protect our people. >> an after hurricane andrew, florida made its building codes much stronger. jimmy patronis, thank you very much. appreciate it. what you're looking at right now is president biden with florida governor ron desantis, and the first lady right there, meeting, as they're about to tour the damage on the ground together, presumably talking about what the state needs. again, this is one of those rare moments where two political rivals, two men that could be going up against each other for the 2024 campaign cycle, maybe, are putting politics aside and working together. these are the best moments for our politicians, and it is such a shame that they only come out in the most extreme

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donald trump is going all the way to the supreme court again. this time, he's asking the justices, three of which are his appointees, to overrule the 11th

circuit court of appeals which said the special mast her no review over the 100-plus classified documents seized at mar-a-lago. trump's legal team file and emergency request with justice clarence thomas, but interestingly, his legal team is not trying to stop the d.o.j. from using the documents in its investigation. joining me now is former u.s. attorney paul charlton. paul, thanks for being with us. explain what donald trump is trying to do here, what's the end goal, as you can see it from his lawyers? >> it is a very interesting question, because the ask, as you so well put, is to bring these classified documents and put them in front of the special master, and as you know, this special master has already shown a great deal of skepticism about the many arguments that the trump team is making in public, in their pleadings, so why is it that the trump team would want to put these classified documents and make their

arguments before a special master who is likely to rule against them? my guess is that it's because judge cannon is supervising the special master, and she has shown a great deal of affinity for trump's arguments here. she has ruled in his favor multiple times and in fact has overruled judge dearie, the special master here, when he has found that the government's arguments carry greater weight. so we have talked about before the best defense in almost every criminal case is delay, delay, and delay, and it appears to me that if the trump team wins on this, if you will, hail mary attempt with the supreme court, what they're going to try to do is reinsert judge cannon, a judge who has looked upon their arguments favorably, and delay the government's case once again. >> it will delay, but it is also not delaying the government's access to the classified documents. is there some way where that might change if the supreme

court says yes, the special master dot have review over those documents? >> so at this point in time, you start looking at a triple play, the hypotheticals become a little more difficult, but if you think about it this way, that the government is going forward with its investigation, the government is looking at the classified documents, if, for example, judge cannon were to look favorably on one of the privilege arguments that the trump team is making here, that could slow the government down in any future prosecution which they might wish to go forward with in this matter. they are, as you say, looking at the documents now, reviewing the documents, trying to determine what harm our nation may have incurred, because these highly classified documents were kept at trump's country club. all of that is moving on pace. it is all moving forward. but what judge cannon could do, and what i suspect the trump team is hoping she will do, is place road blocks as it relates to their various privilege

arguments in front of the government as it seeks to move forward with this investigation at a later date. >> paul charlton, thank you very much. joining me is "new york times" chief white house correspondent peter baker. he is an msnbc political analyst. he's also the co-author of the new best-selling book "the divider, trump in the white house 2017-2012," donald trump is facing a slew of investigations and is going to the supreme court. the supreme court hasn't always ruled in his favor on matters of documents. it did say yes to congress getting a hold of his documents last year, i believe. what's going on with team trump right now? this is a pretty serious investigation he's facing. >> well, i think that's right, what we just talked about, the delay factor, that's the modus operandi, the pattern seen in the trump camp before. i don't think we should necessarily assume that the supreme court will back him just because three of his appointees are on there.

we've seen in the past that those three appointees thought some of his legal claims were pretty bogus. they didn't give him any time of day during the 2020 election campaign challenges that he made, and they thought that they were just as bogus as the other justices thought. and i think that we don't know where they will end up on this. again, the goal here is to delay, mess things up, make it harder for the prosecutors more than anything else. >> you write about donald trump's relationship with the court and the d.o.j. in your new book and i'll read a part of it, specifically when the ninth circuit court of appeals blocked one of his policies, trump ordered aides to just cancel, it meaning eliminate the court all together. he said if it required legislation, then they should draft a bill to get rid of the f'ing judges. the demand was ignored by the people who work for him. explain this attitude toward the courts and the pushback he faced, and i guess the pushback he might not face if he gets re-elected. >> yeah, so he looks at courts

as a political tool, just like everything else in his life. he looks at courts as actors in a political drama, not as apolitical arbiters of law. and when they rule against him, as the ninth circuit did, in california repeatedly, he got angry, and he took that to be an enemy in his mind, so yes, he sort of erupted at his aides and let's cancel the court all together and he doesn't have the power to cancel the court. and the idea though that he would like to take retributions for a court who rules against him, it doesn't mean that he wants to fix the legal issues that the court identified or make a legal argument to the supreme court above, it he thinks the people are out to get him and he wants to find a way to get them first. >> i'm sorry, you also talked, and this was pretty shocking, about an instance where donald trump and the white house, and the attorney general at the time, bill barr, tried to get the d.o.j. to block the publication of john bolton's

book, and this is something that isn't done by d.o.j., i mean the supreme court ruled the pentagon papers, you can't stop people from publishing. afterwards, you can say hay listen, you violated all sorts of laws but not before. >> that's exactly right. prior restraint. that's not supposed to be the thing a government can do. and they ordered the assistant attorney general from the civil division to file a lawsuit to block john bolton publishing his book because they didn't want it out, the president didn't want it out especially before the 2020 election. he was worried about the revelation lass would be in it. and dewy hunt was in this position to go through publication reviews by a lot of books by public officials was shocked and never saw anything like it before and go ahead and file it and as soon as you do, and i will walk out of here and write my letter of res ig dation and walk out of here. it is not the first time politics was in an apolitical decision and for him it was the final straw and he didn't publicize and make a public

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the country spiked 80%. the pound crashed against the dollar. and prominent conservatives, members of her own party, forced her to reneg on a tax cut for the uber wealthy. it is all prompting speculation that she only has days to keep herself at 10 downing street. the one thing that did get strong cheers today was her vow to continue the u.k.'s support for ukraine. >> ukraine can win, ukraine must win, and ukraine will win. [ applause ] >> but the consequences of the war in ukraine, as russia uses its energy supply to put pressure on the west, is part of what's making governing across the u.k., and europe, so difficult. and it could get harder. opec plus met today in vienna, the world's most powerful oil producers, led by saudi arabia and russia, agreed to cut oil production by 2 million barrels starting in november. the move will drive prices back up, after oil fell below $90 a

barrel last week. it could also have the effect of helping russia fund its war in ukraine. neutralizing an attempt by the g-7 to put a price cap on russian oil. and russia needs the money, right now it is losing its war. vladimir putin's army is on the retreat, even in areas russia has claimed to annex. joining me now from ukraine, is nbc's erin mclaughlin, the fact that i can even see that you're in kharkiv shows how far the ukrainian army has come. >> reporter: that's right. it has been stunning, the progress made by ukrainian forces, village after village, the ukrainian flag flying high, overnight president zelenskyy saying they have liberated 12 everies of -- 12 areas of ukrainian territories and you pushing farther to the south and east of this country, this as president putin today continuing his spectacle of annexation,

officially signing into law the illegal annexation of four ukrainian territories despite the fact that he doesn't completely control any of them. however, russia's defense minister is pointing to some 200,000 russian troops that the defense min industry industry claims they have been able to call off as part of this mobilization. their goal, the original goal was 300,000, and we've seen tens of thousands of russian men flee russia to try to avoid the draft, but russia's also trying new tactics. over night in the kyiv region, an iranian supplied drone, kamikaze drone, setting fire to a number of buildings and injuring one ukrainian civilian, i was speaking to an adviser who said this is a new tactic that they are concerned about, these drones supplied from iran that are able to fly in and set

things on fire. >> what about the warning from vladimir putin to the west as we give more and more military aid, money to ukraine? >> well, it is something that people here in ukraine are extraordinarily concerned about. just last week, we heard from the deputy to the head of the military intelligence put the possibility of a nuclear strike in their eyes as very high in this country. something the people here are very cognizant of, that the more successful they are, on the battlefield, the more pressure they are able to expert on russian forces, the more president putin is backed in a corner. >> erin mclaughlin, thank you very much. and from russia's moves in ukraine to fears about china's moves, in taiwan, next week, in beijing, thousands of china communist party officials are expected to reappoint xi jingping to an unprecedented third term. it is an historic extension of power in china, as he tries to

gain absolute control over the country, and possibly even taiwan. joining me now is nbc's raf sanchez who was just in taiwan. good to see you in person. the cia director richard burns, sorry, bill burns, sat down with "60 minutes" and in it, he said that xi jingping is watching what is happening in ukraine and seeing what it is going on with the ukrainian people so dedicated to fighting against vladimir putin and the economic implications from waging this war and giving him pause on his aims on taiwan. you were just there. what did you see? what are people worried about? what's the sense? >> you heard that exact sense from taiwanese officials, that xi jingping is watch vladimir putin struggle in ukraine and that may be discourage him from

entering taiwan and taking a lot of lessons and inspiration from the way ukrainians are resisting russia, and will president biden is the big question, will he stick his pledge to send u. troops to defend taiwan even if that means war with china? >> in his first ten years in power, xi jingping has presided over a vast buildup of china's military might. now, on the cusp of a third term, xi has pledged to fulfill what he calls the historic mission of china's communist party, taking control of taiwan, by force, if necessary. taiwan's foreign minister tells nbc news, it is a threat they cannot ignore. >> the threat is there. the threat is real. even though we don't know when china is going to launch a military attack against taiwan. but we have to be very real and instantly prepared for it. >> xi jingping looking to get an

unprecedented third term at china's leader. do you believe that will embolden him to move against taiwan? >> that is one factor that we need to look at very seriously. >> president biden breaking with decades of precedent saying he ordered the u.s. military to fight against the chinese invasion. >> yes, if in fact there was unprecedented attack. >> honoring that pledge could mean all-out war between the u.s. and china. >> we are in the process of making very serious discussions with our good friend the united states to see how we can accumulate enough stockpile for us to fight a war if a war has to happen. >> so you need materials in place before the shooting starts? >> we need the material in place. and we need high-tech weaponry. >> to see the threat for ourselves, we travelled to the place a chinese invasion would likely begin. the taiwanese island of kinmen

six miles off the mainland, so close you can see skyscrapers looming in the distance. these spikes are meant to stop chinese forces from landing on this beach but they're old and really, if they're ever put to the test, it is a sign that taiwan and possibly the u.s. are already at war with china. after decades of military rule, taiwan today is considered one of the freest countries in the world. >> there is nothing impossible to imagine in china. a democratically elected president, arriving in a raucous political rally in the heat of a free and fair election. but the u.s. has a more self-interested region for protecting taiwan. the island produces more than 90% of the world's advanced semiconductors, the micro chips that power everything from iphones to airplanes to smart bridges. disrupting that supply chain could cause trillions of dollars in economic damage. meaning chaos for consumers in the u.s. and in china. >> it would be disastrous for

china. china would face large scale unemployment. and it would have the same shortages of consumer and industrial goods that we would face. >> the question, is that a price xi jingping is prepared to pay? >> so there is the question, why the u.s. prepared to send troops to defend taiwan but not ukraine and the answer is largely semiconductors and some smaller than the width of a human hair but they power everything. >> everything. and we know we lost access to a lot of stuff during the pandemic. access to new stuff at least. cars i'm thinking of. good to see you in person. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. next up, what does the movie "fletch" have in common with the international space station? we're live in cape carnival, with the latest space-x launch. (snorting) if you struggle with cpap... (groan) (growling) (chuckle) ...you should check out inspire. no mask. no hose. just sleep. (beeping) learn more and view important safety information at inspiresleep.com.

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the first russian cosmonaut to fly with space-x and the first member of the mattress police. you heard me right. they're all on their way to the international space station. joining me now from the kennedy space center is nbc's tom costello, he was there for nasa's space-x launch earlier today. tom, a lot of big firsts. the thing that caught my earlier as i was watching you, one of the naughts is bringing along with him a bunch of '80s movies so people will finally get his references. >> yes, josh cassida is a ph.d. in physics, he is a marine corps, navy fighter jet pilot, and he is from my generation, and he loves the '80s movies but nobody around his crews gets it so he is bringing '80s movies on the space station to play, including "fletch" which is a classic so his crew members will understand after he plays them for 100 times, what his sense of

humor is. we just had breaking news at the kennedy space center. here is what is happening. as you mentioned a russian cosmonaut, right on board right now on the rocket headed for the international space station, the first in 20 years on an american spacecraft. she is the only female cosmonaut. the executive director of the russian space agency is here. he is himself a former cosmonaut. he is the executive director of ros-cosmos. now they are serious astronauts, serious engineers in russia, but over the last few months, since the russian invasion, the head has said we're out of this relationship with nasa. we're pulling out of the international space station. and he's at times, he has even threatened that nasa astronauts could use a trampoline to get up in to space if ne they could not get on a soyuz rocket. now a complete change of tune in the last few minutes. first of all that head of roscosmos was fired a few months

ago. and now the executive director today, said as far as he is concerned, russia wants to stay with nasa, stay with the space station, as long as potentially, as long as it's up there, until 2030. it caught everybody by surprise. listen to my exchange with him. >> how committed is russia to this international cooperation, to the space station, and how long will you be a partner with the united states, with japan, with canada, with the international partners, in this program? >> well for how long, it depends on many things, and typical things would be probably primary, but looking about the preparation, i think we start to cooperate, as i said, many years ago, more than 40 years ago, and we will continue our cooperation, as long as i can imagine. >> we will continue our cooperation as long as we can imagine. he went on to say, as long as the space station is flying. i asked him off camera, are you

speaking for the kremlin, he said no, i'm speaking for the russian space agency. and the engineers at the russian space agency and the expertise at the russian space agency. i don't know if this is a showdown right now, between the russian space agency and the president of russia, vladimir putin, but major headlines that right now, russia is back into the space station program. >> that is so, so interesting, tom. thank you for that. let's dive into that a little bit deeper, the breaking news that tom is just reporting. joining me is former astronaut and former commander of the international space station, leroy chow, this about-face, this new promise from the russian space agency, to stay with this program, to stay with the space station, what does that mean for the astronauts up there? what does it mean for the research and for everything you're trying to do? >> it is not really about space, the original threat was just bluster, and everybody in the business knew it, because russia has no choice. they have nothing else if they abandon the iss, they have

nowhere to go, unless they're willing to work away from the human space flight program, sure they can launch their spacecraft, what is it going to do, orbit the earth for a few days and then return? and of course they will stay in the iss program and the idea they will build their own station, it is not going to happen any time soon, frankly they don't have the money, the united states has been carrying russia from the beginning, and continues to, with the, with money-wise and they don't have the expertise anymore. their infrastructure frankly has been diminishing. a lot of the people that, most of the people that knew how to do things have retired or passed on. and so they're in no position to do anything but continue to cooperate with the iss. now, as far as sergei krikolev goes, i know him very well, he was here at nasa for the first time in the 1990s when i was at nasa and we got to know each other over the years ago and met each other aboard the international space station, so he is very much a pilot, a cosmonaut, technical guy, and so

he understands all of this, he is not a politician, and so it is not a surprise to hear this from him and i hope he doesn't get into a lot of trouble for saying these things, but those of us in the business, it is really no surprise. >> glad to get the context. they're up there, they will be up there tomorrow at 5:00, this new crew for the international space station, they will be conducting 200 experiments, what could we learn? >> well, the ongoing research aboard the iss is geared primarily towards understanding the negative effects of space flight on humans and living systems, and how we can mitigate those negative things. the idea of course being that before we send in a crew somewhere like mars, we want to make sure that we have a good understanding and a good plan on how to deal with these negative bio-medical effects of the other part of the research, the big part, is on materials, and new kinds of materials, pharmaceuticals, things like that, that are ongoing, and so there will be a combination of primarily those kinds of experiments, but other investigations as well, and iss

is continuing to prove itself as the world's premiere micro-gravity laboratory. >> leroy chiao, thanks very much for being with us. >> my pleasure, thank you. coming up, the greatest of all time or just the greatest of this time? we're going to debate number 99 hitting number 62. next. ♪ what will you do? ♪ what will you change? ♪ will you make something better? ♪ will you create something entirely new? ♪ our dell technologies advisors provide you with the tools and expertise you need to do incredible things. because we believe there's an innovator in all of us.

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hailed by some as the actual all-time record for all of baseball. the clean one, that is. not the so-called dirty record of 73 by barry bonds and 70 by mark mcgwire and 66 by sammy sosa, all three linked to performance enhancing drugs, mark mcgwire talked about taking peds long afterwards and sammy sosa denied it but tested positive in 2003 and barry bonds admitted to using peds but continued to claim he was tricked and thought he was applying flafrm seed oil and arthritis cream. joining me is texas monthly magazine contributor richard justice, a veteran baseball reporter. richard, tell me, is this the greatest of all time? or just the greatest of this time? >> you know, it is one of the great seasons any player has ever had. i mean few players have ever had

a season, across the board, as great as aaron judge. and you know what? he ought to be the face of baseball. he's 30 years old. there's dignity about him. there's a humility about him. that you want this guy to be what we think of professional athletes, as always being. so he is a worthy champion in that way. as far as 62 homeruns, you know, katy, i grew up at a time when the number 60 was sacred and 100 years before 1998, it had already been done twice, roger maris and babe ruth and in a span of four seasons it was done six times and then that stretch stopped when baseball instituted steroid testing. so you know, you and i could have this conversation 20 years from now, and we still would be debating the worthiness of those records. the record book has been diminished, but this guy is a great champion and has a great season and he deserves every accolade that he gets, and oh,

by the way, he is going to be a free agent. >> he is. and that was a smart move by him not to re-sign. i mean it is a great season. he has 131 rbis, the best in the american league. his batting average is .311. key end up getting this season the triple crown, the first player to do so in a decade. the reason why i think it is the great of of all time, when you look back at barry bonds and sammy sosa and mark mcgwire and the performance enhancing drugs allegations, they were competing with each other and others were close to them at the time. pitching is so good right now, so nearly impossible to hit, you have aaron judge at 62, and the next closest player to him is kyle schwarber of the phillies and he only has 46. that alone has got to tell you that this is something special, something unlike anything that we saw during the mcguire, sosa, bonds years. >> right.

that ops 111, that is the highest for a yankee since mickey mantle. whenever you have a comparison and you put mickey mantle in it, that is pretty special. and ops plus is looking at a player versus league average and aaron judge is 111% above league average and this is basically super man type stuff. and baseball, unlike 1998, and 2000, 2001, baseball has some pretty strenuous steroid testing that the anti-doping people say is legitimate, so this guy, he gets, he has done something we didn't expect to see again, and he did it across the board, and he did it the right way, and i've been around him a little bit, and he is one of those people that his teammates root for him, his manager, his coaches all root for him, and yankees fans root for him. >> should we be rooting for the yankees to make it all of the world series where he gets more shots to hit homer.

i have nodding yes on this side of me and nodding no from my stage director on that side of me. it's the yankees. not everyone roots for the yankees. >> right, but from the moment that guy stepped in the batter's box, he looked his size, 6'7", he looked like a yankee, you know, for the most famous professional franchise in all the world of sports, where this guy, he was a fitting hero for this time, and for that team, so yes, yes, it would -- the more we could see of him, a guy that we can all root for, you know, maybe the dodgers wouldn't be rooting for him in the world series, and katy, how about this, what about the f-the mets and yankees -- what if the mets and yankees both decided they want him in a uniform next season, the fun with aaron judge will go on for weeks after the world series. >> it will be really interesting. i love the dodgers. i feel for the dodgers. i also love the yankees. i just love baseball.

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