welcome back to "morning joe." it is 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. on the east coast. fourth hour of "morning joe." boy, what a show it's been today, joe. >> what a show. by the way, what you're looking at right now is the set of "the matrix." either that or los angeles at 6:00 a.m. >> mm-hmm. >> so glad to have you with us on the west coast and all across the country. you know, mika, it has been a great show. hoda -- >> remarkable.

>> so moving. and william shatner, this guy, he's just -- people are just commenting, i'm getting so many texts and seeing it on twitter, so many people talking about what an incredible guy he is. i'm scoring points right now, the fact that you pulled out shatner's note lucy in the sky with diamonds," that's 100 points right there. you just came back from the "today" show, talking about "the list" with hoda. that was very moving too pop. >> oh, my gosh. >> a lot of tears. >> hoda's on the list and savannah nominated her and we have two women over 50 hosting the "today" show. talk about that never happen 20 or 30 years ago, how thing have changed. the second annual forbes "50 over 50" list has chemical engineers, actresses, singers,

dancers, civil rights activists in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and, yes, 90s. these women are phenomenal and there are so many of them. >> there really are. it's an incredible list. jonathan lemire, the red sox have something in common with people on that list. >> really? >> they have people in their bullpen who are in their 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. and it showed this past season. i have to say, jonathan, yesterday, we'll talk quickly about the red sox. you know, so interesting, i love team so much, it's hard to explain to people who don't like baseball, and i've been so connected with them since 1975, that it's interesting, yesterday really it didn't matter if they were in first or last place, it was just, you know, i hate to sound like a sap, but it was just sad seeing the season -- mika will tell you it's a part of our lives. it's always in the background. we're always listening to sox games.

jack and i love to sit down and watch. we're always -- driving to school or back from school, we're talking about, you know, how xander did, rich hill. again, for me, i want us to win every year and i get upset when i don't think our front office is doing a good job, but, man, they're family. like, they're family to us. and it's hard to wait till spring training now. >> i know. it's the longest day of the year, today, the end of the baseball season for our red sox, anyway. baseball, that's the beauty of it is. it is the background of our lives and it comes with the seasons. and now it's getting coder here, it's october, and at least for the red sox, fenway has gone dark. i'm with you, it was a deeply disappointing season by any measure and won't go to the playoffs this year, which start tomorrow. they face an off-season where testify to figure out what to do. xander bogaerts and rafael devers. but even at the end of a tough

season, it's still sad when it comes to an end. my boys are huge sox fans. last night we're depressed, won't see these guys until april. >> willie hawes to talk about the yankees. i didn't mean to interrupt you but -- >> sorry. >> i could feel the tension. >> the yankees go on, and i'm wondering how you feel and going into the playoffs. by the way, again, major league baseball, we know a lot of people that work in major league baseball watch this show. come on, man. the guys that were weeded out, the guys that cheated, you need to do more than just puts a risks by those numbers. need to be clear, aaron judge, the single-season home run champ. he got babe ruth at 60. he got roger maris at 61. you have aaron judge at 62. nobody else is on that list. >> it is interesting. baseball's been putting bonds and sosa in the rear-view mirror

over the last 20 years or so, but aaron judge surpassing the american league record has raised that question again, who the real home run champion is. i don't think we'll settle that this morning, but i feel better about the yankees today than a month and a half or two months ago where there was a long swoon after the all-star break. they look much better now. guys are hitting. they have some injury questions, some pitching questions. as you know, joe, the road goals through houston, which is always a problem, because as much as i despise them and their rampant cheating, boy, they're always good every year. >> and let me just say in our house now, in our house, we are required to cheer for the new york mets because mika's amelia is such a massive new york mets fan. >> yeah. yeah. >> we have no choice. >> no. we don't. and they won't make it to the world series, will they? >> they have to go through l.a. if they win their first series.

>> that's what -- i'll be going, i think, if that happens. she will be. we have a lot to get to this hour. yeah? >> we may be going to atlanta, dear. maybe. >> okay. all right. a lot to get to this hour including the latest controversy surrounding herschel walker. a new report states a woman who said walker paid for her 2009 abortion is the mother of one of his children, undercutting the georgia republican senate candidate's claim he didn't know who she was. also ahead, opec slashes oil production, sending a shock to the global economy already battered by increasing inflation and high energy costs. we'll get a live report from the white house on the president's reaction to that and cnbc's andrew ross sorkin on what the cuts mean for gas prices and heating bills. we'll also get a live report from ukraine as u.s. intelligence agencies believe parts of the ukrainian government authorized a car bomb attack near moscow.

we'll get to that in just a moment. willie? president biden surveyed the storm damage in florida yesterday left behind by hurricane ian. biden and governor ron desantis did put politics aside for a moment as they met with residents from the ft. myers area. >> we were very fortunate to be in coordination with the white house and with fema. i think one of the things that you're seeing in this response, we are cutting through the bureaucracy. we are cutting through the red tape, and that's from local government, state government, all the way up to the president. so we appreciate the team effort. >> i think he's done a good job. look, i called him i think before he called me when i heard the storm was coming. we worked hand in glove. we have very different political philosophies, but we worked hand if glove. >> joining us from ft. myers beach, florida, nbc news correspondent erin mclaughlin. litz, good to see you this morning. what is the recovery effort looking like today and what was

it like to have the president of the united states walking through there yesterday? >> reporter: i mean, i think president just saw how extensive this damage is. it's really hard to encapsulate through the tv screen here. once you see it in person, especially from that aerial view, it's just overwhelming. the community is definitely feeling the pain of the loss of life, that death toll now 115, and those who survived watching their whole life savings, their belongings just get completely ruined, just watch it. the piles you can see behind me in the road. we see that for mile after mile, house after house, all of their belongings just stacked outside, waterlogged, moldy, muddy. we saw a muddy bible on a dresser, a child's stuffed animal sitting on a car covered in mud. people are really heartbroken, especially in this neighborhood, really struggling to find out how to find help, all of these cars flooded. no transportation to be able to get to a shelter, somewhere

safe, some who unsafe living conditions in their house are camping out in their front yard in techbts or laying on a mattress in their front yards. we saw that this morning. president biden and fema yesterday encouraging people to register for support to try to get some of that federal help, some dollars to help them move forward. but many here say they don't have connectivity. many are elderly and don't really understand how to do that on the computer if they were able to have access. but verizon's teams on the ground are deploying mobile cell units to try to get that connectivity back online until there can be more permanent repairs to the cell towers here. and there's also fema workers going door to door to try to help walk people through the process. i've spoke within the crews on the ground. let's listen. >> the technology creates a coverage area about five to seven miles and gives us flexibility where with a structure might be destroyed, like, for example, sanibel

island. >> i'm hearing so many heartfelt stories of loss and tragedy, and just disbelief on how to begin again. and my message to them is registration is the first step to recovery. and i'm here to ensure they know how to take that step. anytime we're speaking disaster, we're speaking power outages, water loss, food shortages, you know, and we're here to bring a sense of compassion and to extend our hands and say come this way. there's always going to be enough help. we will make it enough. >> reporter: and some people here, in a very diverse neighborhood, saying they haven't heard from the fema disaster resistance teams yet, but they say they're prioritizing the worst hit areas first, they will get to everyone. unfortunately, this is just. beginning of that recovery. back to you guys. >> erin mclaughlin live from ft. myers beach, florida, thanks for your reporting.

we appreciate it. joe, you've been through a bunch of these, having lived in florida as long as you did, having served in congress. you'd see an american president come to that state after a big hurricane and just how important it is to have him on the ground. in this case, even in this political culture, to have him and governor desantis put their differences be hind for day. >> it makes such a big difference for the people who need help and also makes a big difference in making a political environment just a bit less toxic. i know in '95 bill clinton came to northwest florida. i had campaigned in '94 against bill clinton repeatedly and had so many issues with him as president. he came down and he helped the people in northwest florida. he understood that he had lost that region, but you actually had republican connie mack, democrat martin childs,

president bill clinton, myself, i was of course the kid among that group, but it was good for people in northwest florida to see republicans and democrats alike working. i had said that martin childs, a guy who had very little use for me politically, was the one who made sure that i was included in every meeting, was the one who made sure that some of clinton's young staffers tried to keep me out, he said no, none of us go in unless the kid goes in, it's his district. and that really taught me a lesson a couple months in about what leadership should look like. and so it's -- jonathan lemire, on another side here, and of course we can make these observations, we know people are suffering terribly, these storms, i understand it first hand, i will say there have been republicans who have looked at ron desantis and seen that he can actually get behind a

podium, he can actually seem like he cares more about the people who are suffering than himself in those moments. he can work with people on the other party. so republicans are saying, see, look, that's what trumpism could look like without trump. now, of course, i have big issues with trump. i'm just saying, though, the fact that you can be ideological and if that ideology is right-wing populism, for republicans who were exhausted by donald trump, it's a pretty good example of how they can get some of those ideological views without the maniacal side of donald trump that doesn't allow him to work with anybody, republican or democrat alike. >> yeah. to be sure, a low bar to clear, but what we did see from governor desantis yesterday was the ability to do something like this better than donald trump

did. he did not politicize it. he did not turn it into a partisan fight. he did not, you know, threaten to withhold aid, whatever it might be. willie and i were saying earlier it's sort of sad, a noteworthy thing, but in today's day and age in our politics, it is noteworthy. you had a governor of one party, a president of another who very well may be opponents in a 2024 presidential campaign, but at least for a couple days now in the precursor to yesterday's visit from the visit itself, they set aside their differences, they set aside their politics, they both complimented each other for their response. they said the state and federal government was working together. biden in particular seemed to resonate with the people there on the ground. and for one day, at least, these were not republicans or democrats, these were americans trying to help their fellow countrymen and women in need. >> good moments for sure. mika, put it in context, governor desantis also said this week that the, quote, national regime media, was rooting for

the hurricane to hit tampa so there would be more destruction so they could promote their agenda. >> oh, my god. okay. well, while we're on that topic of politics, this morning there is another allegation against georgia republican senate candidate herschel walker. nbc news chief white house correspondent kristen welker joins us now with the latest details on that. kristen? >> reporter: hi, mika. good morning. with the campaign in turmoil, herschel walker remains defiant that the allegation against him are just not true. but the woman at the center of it all daying the daily beatz she's sharing her sbirp story after walker denied her claim he paid her to have an abortion. this morning former football star herschel walker's embattled senate campaign has been rocked by another bombshell. "the daily beast" reporting overnight the woman who first told the news outlet walker urged her to have an abortion and paid for it in 2009 is also in fact the mother of one of his

children. walker had claimed earlier on wednesday he didn't know the woman and his defenders spun the story as an anonymous attack. >> have you figured out who it is? >> not at all, and that's what i hope everyone to see, sort of like everyone is anonymous and everyone is leaking and they want you to confess to something you have no clue about, but it just shows how desperate they are right now. >> reporter: the woman who remains anonymous citing privacy concerns telling "the daily beast," "walker didn't accept responsibility for the kid we did have together, and now he isn't accepting responsibility for the one that we didn't have." in a statement to nbc news, walker saying, "as i've already said, there's no truth to this or any other "daily beast" report." he categorically denied he paid for an abortion. according to the daily beast, the woman proved she's the mother of walker's child and provided credible evidence of a long-term relationship with

walker. walker, who has been backed by faith leaders, is opposed to abortion after 15 weeks with no exceptions, the woman telling the daily beast he seemed pretty pro-choice to me and referencing walker's discussion of his christian faith. he picks and chooszs where it's convenient for him to use that religious crutch. nbc news has not independently verified "the daily beast" reporting. walker has faced other controversies. his ex-wife accused him of putting a gun to her head, which walker blamed on his struggle with mental health. he acknowledges he's the father of four children with different women, among them, his son, christian. overnight the budding conservative sent a crib tim tweet, later deleaded, god will not be mocked. >> you have no idea what my mother and i have survived. >> he denounced his father, forcing hem to move over six times in six mos running from your violence. >> walker has said he loves his

son no matter what. now walker has a new ad out saying he got through his mental health struggles with the grace of god. no comment yet from his challenger, incumbent raphael warnock. and so far top republicans seem to be standing by walker. we cannot overstate this enough, mika. republicans believe they almost certainly need to win georgia in their battle to take back the senate. >> yeah. nbc news chief white house correspondent kristen welker, thank you very much. it's interesting to see the republican reaction and it's not because they knew what they were getting. they signed up for it. the white house is criticizing a decision from a major international energy alliance to cut oil production by more than 2 million barrels a day. in a statement yesterday, the biden administration accused the opec plus group of making a, quote, shortsighted move that would have the most negative impact on the lower and middle income countries. earlier in the day, opec announced the largest cut in oil production since the start of the pandemic, citing, quote,

uncertainty that surrounds the global economic and oil market outlooks. let's bring in white house reporter for politico and senior contributor for msnbc, eugene daniels, and "squawk box's" andrew ross sorkin. no reaction from the white house to this? >> reporter: at this point, there is a sense of betrayal within this white house, when you talk to officials here, because of the president's trip to saudi arabia, right. that is where they're kind of zeroing in on, what most of their anger. and you talk to democrats on the hill, there is going to be a lot of pressure coming at this white house to do more to kind of restructure this relationship with saudi arabia. i talked to congressman malinowski last night, who has already released text that would

release u.s. troops, and said the u.s. has to stop acting like suckers in this relationship, his quote. senator richard blumenthal also saying that the united states should look at considering cuts in military assistance. and when i talked to a white house official here last night, they said at this point, everything is on the table when it comes to the relationship with saudi arabia, but it also sounds like they're going to follow the lead of congress as they move through this process. in the immediate term, talking about possible rising gas prices, president biden has already -- they've already said they're going to release millions more, 10 million barrels more from the petroleum reserve and possibly do more if that's necessary. that is something i was promised by white house officials last night. but also keep the pressure on oil and gas companies to not raise their prices because they know both on a policy level

that's bad for them, but also we are very close to an election, and they know republicans have seize on this issue once again once they thought they put it on the back burner. so, it is going to be interesting to see how we move forward and whether that relationship changes. a lot of this is about leverage. if america is able to put enough leverage on saudi arabia and these other opec-plus countries, what happens next? with can they backpedal from something that richard blumenthal stressed quite a bit last night? >> eugene daniels, thank you so much. andrew ross sorkin, i've got say, when you look at the risk politically that joe biden made to reach out to mbs, it's pretty shocking. >> right. >> even talking to officials in the middle east, telling me this doesn't make sense that biden had offered them a reasonable compromise and to do this as

slap -- is a slap in the face to joe biden, especially since you have oil already at $90 today. it really is pretty extraordinary. this guy, i guess he's counting on the second donald trump term. >> it is fascinating because it's both political and economic. in the worst case, the saudis have clearly aligned themselves with the russians and effectively are willing to effectively help them over the united states. i think that's how a lot of people are viewing this. you know, if you were to talk to the folks in saudi or part of opec, they would say look at where the economy is, not just in the united states but globally. it's only going to get worse, and the reason we are going to cut back is because we think that actual through there's going to be less demand in the future. that's the economic argument. in the meantime, as you know, prices are going to go up, the estimates right now are about i would say 15 to 30 cents a

gallon. that is a billboard across america -- >> do you mind if i interrupt? >> please. >> you were about to go there partially, but let's just talk about it. jared kushner had extraordinarily close ties with mbs. mbs and the saudis had close ties with donald trump. it's quite clear they preferred trump to joe biden. and, again, i do hear the arguments and i'm a big believer the country should do what's in their best interest. but come on, he knows, this is interfering with u.s. politics to do this a month before a midterm election. >> sure. >> when, again, it's already at $90 a barrel. that doesn't even make sense to people that are looking at this in the middle east. >> no, no question that this is going to raise all sorts of questions about what happens to our politics here, the midterms. this idea is true. there will be a billboard across

the country at every gas station about what inflation looks like because you're going to start to see the price go up i think 15 cents to 30 cents higher per gallon. that's what analysts are estimating. clearly, if you are sitting in saudi arabia today and you make this decision, you know that. you know going in politically that that is what you are doing and to the extent that there was any kind of better relations, we talk about sort of fist bump diplomacy, that's out the window. that effectively created an addition of about 750 million barrels at the time but has gone away now and reversed. there's no question they made that decision. but as i said, there is this economic argument which is that the economy around the world is to going to get a lot tougher, and that's at least -- you can call it a smokescreen politically or call it real, but that's the argument they're making. >> i don't get it.

they're betting on the wrong horse. the dollar is stronger than it's ever been. >> i'm not disagreeing. >> i know you agree with me. i'm just saying this to our friends, our friends who watch this show, they're betting on the wrong horse. the u.s. dollar is stronger than it's been in 50 years. you've got the u.s. economy, it's stronger than it's been since 1945, militarily, relative to the strength of the rest of the world, greater than it's ever been, and i just -- again, you've got russia that's collapsing in front of all of our eyes. you've got china engaging in acts of political self-harm every day. it makes no sense geopolitically. i guess that's what's fascinating to me. do you get insights, any insight on why they made this move when they did? they're betting on the wrong horse. >> well, so, and this is -- now

i'm going to go economic on you, which is you're right, politically it makes no sense. i cannot explain it. there's a word inexplicable, that's the technical term, from a political standpoint, that's why i've been reverting to this idea of maybe there is an economic argument. and i could at least rational itz the economic argument, which is to say if you believe that the economy, global economy, is faltering and there's going to be a lot less demand in the next month, two, and three, that that's going to put pressure on their countries, i get that. but, again, the timing of it and given the political machinations and these midterms coming up, seems like a big decision to make. and the political implications and potential economic implications depending on how you think congress and the u.s. government respond, could be meaningful. maybe what they're doing is betting that they have more leverage in that political debate than we do. >> all right. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin, thank you very much for being on this

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past the bottom of the hour, breaking news from the korean pence will where earlier this morning north korea reportedly flew a dozen warplanes near its border with south korea

prompting the south to scramble 30 fighter jets and other warplanes in response. according to south korean officials, the high i unusual incident came hours after the north fired an unspecified ballistic missile toward the sea of japan. that launch comes two days after north korea fired a missile that flew over japan before crashing into the ocean. the united states is responding this morning, repositioning the "uss ronald reagan's" strike crew and performing a number of missile drills with south korea. a new report in "the new york times" is linking ukraine to a high-level assassination inside russia. nbc news correspondent erin mclaughlin joins us now live from eastern ukraine with the latest. erin, what more can you tell us? >> reporter: hey, there, willie. for months the ukrainian government has denied any role in the assassination of daria dugina, but this morning there are new questions about its potential involvement. this morning a bombshell "new

york times" report blames part of dwroouk's government for authorizing the covert assassination of the daughter of a prominent putin ally. she was killed in a car bombing in moscow. the u.s. official told her times they may be targeting her father, alexander dugan, who appeared after at the scene shortly after the attack. at the time, ukraine denied any involvement. "the new york times" reports u.s. official who is spoke about the mission did not say who carried it outer or whether president zelenskyy signed off on it, but the u.s. officials say they admonished ukraine for the act, fearing it could prolong the war. nbc news reached out to military and intelligence officials but has been unable to confirm the "times" reporting. stunning scenes from the front line, ukrainian armed forces releasing this footage showing the moment they say russian soldiers surrendered in kherson

approaching ukrainian forces with a white flag, then pinned to the ground, further evidence of ukraine's sweeping battlefield gains in the south and the east. but with the villages liberated, new evidence of russian atrocities. >> we found 22 torture locations. >> reporter: how does that make you feel? >> of course i feel aeshl about this. >> reporter: that investigator saying in the kharkiv region every major town, every major village that has been occupied by russian forces, they found evidence of torture, saying that the russians were torturing civilians for a variety of reasons, from suspicion of espionage to breaking the curfew. >> nbc's erin mclaughlin in kharkiv, ukraine, for us this morning. erin, thanks so much. we are also following horrific news out of thailand. authorities say 38 people including 24 children and a pregnant teacher were killed today in an attack that began at

a child care center in the northeastern part of the country. according to police there, the gunman fled the scene, shooting from his car as he drove home where he killed his wife and child before taking his own life. thai authorities report the gunman was a 34-year-old former police officer who was dismissed from the force after being arrested with methamphetamines last year. msnbc will continue to follow this story as it develops. and turning now to the trial for five members of the oath keepers militia. the first january 6th defendants to be tried on seditious conspiracy charges. during the first two days of testimony, an fbi special agent read text messages showing the defendants planning to go to washington and preparing for violence as they vowed to reject joe biden as the winner of the 2020 presidential election. prosecutors say the defendants, which includes the group's founder, stewart rhodes, trained

and planned for january 6th by stockpiling weapons outside the capitol at a northern virginia hotel for a, quote, quick reaction force that would be ready if called upon to transport arms into washington. attorneys for defendants say the evidence will show that they did nothing illegal. joining us now, former assistant director for counterintelligence at the fbi, frank vigluzi, an nbc news national security analyst and contributor. how hard will that defense be to show -- to prove that they did nothing illegal or is there wiggle room in the law here? >> they're going to try. we have a mixed success rate when he charged seditious conspiracy. >> it was a serious question. >> the last time it was successfully used in the united states was against omar abdul-rahman, who want prod text targets in new york but not since then. the thing is the defense appears

to be so far this kind of notion that we can simultaneously say that we were waiting on orders from the president, waiting for the president to invoke the insurrection act, while we were secretly preparing to trigger that very insurrection. you can't have it both ways, i'm waiting for orders while i'm triggering the violence that triggers those orders. the soefd far is they were planning for extreme violence, which is the core of a seditious conspiracy charge, force, overtaking, stopping the government, taking a government building with force. we're hearing the recorded voice of stewart rhodes, the oath keepers leader, who says on a recorder, "my only regret is i wish we brought those guns we had staged around the d.c. area into the capitol." that hurts. >> anything out of this so far that could impact trump or others in the other proceedings happening like january 6th, the committee? >> this is why we're watching it so closely because we know at least two charged oath keepers are cooperating. that's going to be crucial to drawing any connection to the

trump circle or trump himself. we know that stewart rhodes was trying to get in touch with trump literally on january 6th. we'll see if he was in touch with roger stone or others. >> you listen to the plans on that recording and it's hard to say we were lucky on january 6th but we were that those weapons were not brought to the capitol. you can imagine what that would have looked like. frank, you've been saying this is a crucial trial, how it's prosecuted and decided. why do you say that? >> first, the decision alone to bring conspiracy for sedition charges is a big one, and it goes toward whether or not we can successfully suppress attempts to overthrow our government. a loss here hurts than gymnastics. it signals we may not have the tools in our tool kit to suppress future attempts to violently stop the government. >> aftershocks from january 6th, in politics and law enforcement.

you wrote about an fbi agent who was suspended because he refused to participate in the arrest of a january 6th suspect. tell us about that and what that means writ large. we know there were some law enforcement officers who were very simp thetd toik the trump cause. >> we know that upwards of 20 active or former police officers have been charged for their role on january 6th. we know that over 300 police officers' names have been found on a leaked list of oath keepers' members. and now we might be getting a first glimpse that this extend into federal law enforcement. by that i mean there's about a dozen or so fbi employees who allegedly have become what they call whistle-blowers. now, what does that mean? it means they've run to gop, trump-adoing members of congress, jim jordan, ron johnson, grassley, and they said they seemed to be sympathetic with the january 6th defendants. in fact, this one agent you're referring to who's been suspended refused a s.w.a.t. team assignment to validly arrest a january 6th subject in

daytona beach. if you have s.w.a.t. team members walking away from their buddies on the s.w.a.t. team for an arrest, you have sympathy towards january 6th defendants. the fbi is coming down hard on these people and they should because the very agency that's tasked with ferreting out the extremism and violence in our society now has to ferret out issues within their own ranks. >> wow. former assistant director for counterintelligence at the fbi, frank figliuzzi, thank you very much. up next, we unveil more members of the second annual forbes know your value 50 over 50 list. we released the list earlier this morning. we'll hear from some of the remarkable women, including my interview with kris jenner. it's the subway series menu. 12 irresistible subs. the most epic sandwich roster ever created. ♪♪

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let's take a closer look at one of the women on the list, kris jenner. >> matriarch, business superstar, monitor. at 66 with a net worth of $230 million, kris jenner is just getting started. her empire, which includes spin-off shows, new lines of products, endorsements, a combined $1 billion followers on social media, has been fueled in smo no small part by this mom manager of six. her rise to stardom was not quick. jenner started out working in a doughnut shop in her teens, then at a clothing store, and later as an airline flight attendant before marrying robert kardashian in 1987. after their split, she married former olympian bruce, now caitlyn jenner. it was in her 50s, however, that kris jenner rose to fame with the reality television series

keeping up with the kardashians, which jenner pitched herself to e! >> mom! mom! >> the show supercharged her family's empire as she managed the careers of her children and their businesses including shame wear, fashion, beauty lines, and more. congratulations. >> thank you. >> you're on the list. >> i'm so excited about this. >> i am too. what's your advice to younger women who feel so rushed, like there's a clock ticking on their lives and their careers? >> right. right. i think, you know, from my generation, there was always a clock ticking about having a baby, getting married, starting a family, and you were sort of considered an old maid if you weren't married and pregnant by 30. >> absolutely. >> and that was really interesting. and just so crazy now when i think back about that because, you know, i have so many

daughters and they're two different generations, five daughters, a couple different generation, and everybody's doing everything a decade later now. i think that all the boundaries that we feel like that other people have set for us are imaginary at this point. i started doing my show, imagine when i was like 51 years old, 52 years old by the time it got on the air. and it's been one of the most rewarding chapters of my life. i get to get up every single day and work with my family and create something new every time that we get together. >> so you coined the term mom-itor. >> mm-hmm. >> you said you're the family ceo. >> i am. >> and you're paid a 10% manager's fee on the gross income from your family's deals. that's pretty good. >> well, you know, when we started working together, there was no formal agreement per se, and we were trying to figure

things out. and most managers and those type of people, agents, are getting between 20% and 25%, sometimes 30%. >> of the gross. i know. >> and so i said to my kids, look, i'm going to put my heart and soul into this, i'm going to work hard, and i'll take 10% thauz that will make it worth my while but i'm not going to charge you the industry standard. >> so you were, like, kids, i'm giving you a deal, here we go, 10%. >> a deal. what a deal. that's right. >> i'm interested in knowing when you realized you were the head of a business enterprise and not just a family. >> the first time i really started building an infrastructure, you know, and got the right people in the right positions and in-house counsel and, you know, just all of the necessary folks and team members. and you start throwing spaghetti against the wall, like in the beginning, we were like okay let's try this or try that and

you finally figure out that really what was working was the things that the girls were most passionate about. >> and you guys have gotten to the point where you have so much power and so much influence, and i think it's safe to say that much of the american public, at least young -- the young public, look at your family as a model, like what to wear, what kind of makeup to use, how to use it, how to present yourselves, and a lot of that influence happens on social media, which is something that really we'll all kind of evolved with many the past decade for better or for worse. >> right. >> and the data has shown now we eastern learning that a lot of time on social media for young girls has been linked to depression, body image issues, self-esteem issues. how do you view the family business responsibility in this ecosystem as we are learning so much? >> well, so, that's a really big

question. >> yeah. >> i think that i'll start with this -- i think that when we first started our show, there was no instagram, there was no snapchat, there was no tiktok, there was barely twitter. kim we who gt on twitter and taught the rest of us how to navigate the community. and as instagram evolved and as it got more millions, hundreds of millions of followers you started as a family, we have over a billion followers right now. and with that comes a lot of responsibility because people do look up to the girls and they really do follow their advice, whether it be fashion or whatever else that we're doing and just the creative aspect of what the girls love to put out there. but we feel very responsible,

but also pay attention to what we're posting and when we're posting it. we like to post reallies a operational things and things that make people feel good and things that show people fun experiences that we have had. i know a lot of people, the social media plt forms have become dangerous. for young people, i have 12 grandchildren, and i worry about that. what i worry about is how negative and dark and nasty people can be and it can really be very upsetting. we have really thick skin as a family. we're used to it. we can hand tail light. but there's a lot of people out there that are really affected by nasty messages. people don't realize how

powerful their words can be, and they really have to think before they post. >> you have been described as one of the most powerful people in hollywood. do you feel you're at the peak of your power? is there more to come? >> i hope so. i never want to think that you've exercised everything that you have. i think that to feel like there's a lot more to come and there's more chapters is very exciting for me. and it inspires me. that's why i love listening to other people's stories because i think that we as women cannot only empower each other and inspire each other, but i feel like i have a responsibility to show my grand kids and my children what getting older looks like. >> so with everything, the products, the new vetures, the shows, the lines, for kris

jenner, what's it all about? >> i think my legacy is that at this age, i was a great mom and a good grandmother. that's all that really matters. my goal in life when i had kids and they became teenagers and young adults was that every single one of them had something that they found they were passionate about. and that i could help them achieve that as something that could be their life and their own legacy. so one by one, that's the dream for me. >> you can watch the entire interview at knowyourvalue.com. the list came out this morning. and let's bring back in the editor of forbes women ask our spokes models who have the magazine for you.

so kris jenner that morning was sitting next to martha stewart at a luncheon who are is also on the list. they are both in the lifestyle category. >> which encompasses retail, media, fashion. martha is 81 years old. what i love about her story. we have been following her for years, but she opened her first restaurant. 81 years old getting into the hardest business there is. she couldn't do it early in her career because the early morning tv hits meant she couldn't stay up late. >> and she keeps creating. a new dream. amy adams, tell us about her. >> seven years ago she became the controlling shareholder of the tennessee titans. it's a football team that her dad founded in 1960. the team's value has doubled under her per view. and she is 18 of 32 nfl owners who are at least female who own partially part of the team. she's one of ten majority

owners. >> there's so many -- there were thousands of submissions. we did four categories. we had women would try to get on the list. we had to say no. which i love that. turning everything upside down. dolly parton and theresa gou. >> she's 54 years old. she's a venture capitalist. she launched the first fund with $250 million. she manages a billion dollars. the best part about had her fund is it's multigenerational. she takes investors of all ages to identify the best ideas. >> speaking of that, edith cooper, there's a mother daughter thing happening. >> there's a mother/daughter thing happening here. she was the first black female partner at goldman sachs, but at 59 she and her daughter cofounded a coaching and business development company called med low. they are mentoring women who

don't have access to traditional business coaching services. >> what's so cool is we have so much more to come. we'll va big luncheon in new york city honoring all these wimp. last year's was a plast. this is the big lead up to our summit in abu dhabi. where all the 50 over 50 honorees, including women on the global list and 30 under 30 list will we'll honor them and bring in major luminaries, do a lot of of mentoring and have the global capital of international women's day happening. so thank you. you can learn more about the women on this year's 50 over 50 list by going to forbes.com. thank you. that does it for us this morning. jose diaz-balart picks up msnbc's live coverage after a quick final break. e after a quick final break. 12 irresistible subs... like #4 supreme meats. smoky capicola, genoa salami and pepperoni! it's the dream team of meats.

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