good day. i'm chris jansing live in new york city. the prospect of nuclear war is a bigger threat to mankind than at any time since the cuban missile crisis 60 years ago. that's the warning for president biden, who said last night he believes russia's vladimir putin when he threatens to use nuclear weapons. what prompted biden's warning and what does it mean for americans? we'll have more on that

including a live report from moscow and the littest from the white house. plus we're digging into the september jobs reports, which shows 263,000 new jobs added last month. matching the lowest level since 1969. so why is the the market selling off? finally, the white house raises the white flag on the war on weed. the president declaring a pardons for thousands convicted on federal charges of marijuana possession. more on the move and what will factor into the midterm races. we start with president biden's warning, one of the most chilling we have heard from anyone in the government on the subject of nuclear war. in biden's words, quote, we have not faced the prospect of armageddon since kennedy. he added putin isn't joke whg he

talks about potential use of tactical nuclear weapons or biological or chemical weapons. it's not clear whether biden was referencing any new intelligence in making this prediction, although we're asking that of the white house right now. in fact, then assistant defense secretary said three days ago, america's nuclear posture hasn't changed. but the situation on the ground inside ukraine clearly has. after steadily losing territory over the first six months of the war, ukraine's military has come roaring back. reclaiming 200 square miles from the russian army in just the past week. in fact, an american source told the london telegraph it's now possible ukraine could recapture crimea as well. they have been maing moves, but so far that hasn't worked. they have led to thousands of russians fleeing the country

rather than agreeing to fight. but with every piece of bad news for putin, the chances he could do something desperate argably increase. president biden put it this way. we are trying to figure out what is putin's off ramp. where does he find a way out? where does he find himself that he doesn't only lose face, but significant power. i want to bring in senior international correspondent keir simmons live in moscow for us. that is the million-dollar question. how does this all end? what are you hearing? >> reporter: it really is. there are no easy answers for the west or most importantly, for president putin here in moscow. it is three-dimensional chess. and it is because in the end, president putin's ambitions in ukraine are not being met. they are apparently in reverse.

and that puts him in a very difficult position. he's doubled town. he has drafted 300,000 russian men to go to ukraine, but that increases the pressure on him. that means rusian families have sons and husbands and fathers who are being asked to go into this very challenging conflict for russia. experts here tell us that russia's nuclear doctrine limits their ability to use nuclear weapons very much in terms of the threat. and that's important to be in mind. there's no size options. couldn't be necessarily controlled. clearly the neighboring countries would be dismayed.

and i think what you're hearing from president biden there was a real concern about that. we have been out in the streets talking to people here in moscow. and russians are worried about the idea of a nuclear escalation. it frightens everyone. it could be what the kremlin is doing and continues to do is to try to use that fear to try to gain some advantage, try to get washington to put pressure on ukraine to hold back. but many suggest that in that respect, the russians simply just don't understand the west. they don't understand the u.s. thinking. >> keir simmons, we appreciate you being there for us. thank you. joining me onset, white house correspondent mike memoli and peter baker, correspondent for "the new york times." also former moscow bureau chief for "the times." he's co-author of "the di provideer." so mike, the question everybody

immediately had, i got this information before 11:00 last night. why was the president saying this and why now? we're getting new guidance. >> we're at this unique moment. the better ukraine is doing on the battlefield, the fear is that the more provocative that russia could get. we goat goth an important indication in the last few minutes, the white house press secretary saying the extents were not based on any new intelligence, but there's been no change to our nuclear posture. others are i saying what the president said at this fundraiser in new york certainly raised some eyebrows, but the substance really mirrored what he's been saying publicly. >> but the framing of it. >> i have to say when reader these comments, i had the same reaction. i went back to 2008, one of my first experiences covering joe biden. a similar setting, he talked about his running mate. if he was elected, world leaders

are going to test him with an international crisis. we saw in the 2019 early stages, what got him in trouble early on, talking about his work with segregationist senators. so this setting, pg at a fundraiser, cameras not rolling, we found that the president is much more forthcoming, perhaps more than he should be. so i think that context is important in terms of explaining why the president was so eyebrow raising. >> what do you see as the potential context here? and from your experience on the ground, how do you think it's being received? >> it's a chilling thing to say. the president probably being more forthcoming that he means to be. administration officials would tell you they have not seen intelligence that they are preparing to do this. there isn't any concrete move to begin to use weapons. that they have detected.

that doesn't mean you don't take it seriously. i talked to a white house official who says on a scale of 1 to 10, he put it on a 4. that's pretty damn chilling for when you talk about nuclear weapons use. but they believe mostly that this is putin threatening in order to get an advantage of the time he's at his weakest. he uses the nuclear saber when he's at his weakest. that's what's happening now. >> we know what this administration should be doing, which is prepare for the worst, hope for the best. what preparations, what conversations are going on right now? as we watch what's happening on the ground in ukraine. >> they are definitely having preparations. what would they do if? from a military point of view, it makes no sense to use a small tactical nuclear weapon. it's not going to accomplish anything other than spread terror. it would clearly react badly to this. it makes no sense for him to do

it. what he's trying to do is to frighten his own people justify what he's doing in ukraine by making it about the west threatening us. and i think that's the theory. the problem is he's not a rational actor. he wouldn't have invaded ukraine in the first place. you have to assume it's possible he does something we consider to be erratic and not sensible. >> mike memoli, it's so good to have you here. we have more we want to talk about. but i want to bring in army lieutenant general, former deputy commander of u.s. european command and a military analyst. if i can pick up on what peter was just talking about, there's a difference between atomic weapons, which obviously, are larger. and nuclear weapons, which tactical nuclear weapons, which tend to be smaller. it appears u.s. officials are woried more about tactical weapons, but last night again, biden said i don't think there's any such thing as the ability to

easily use a tactical nuclear weapon and not end up with armageddon. what's your read on this from a military standpoint? >> i'll tell you i think the president is correct. when we talk about a tactical nuclear weapon, we're talking about the nuclear weapon somewhere in that neighborhood. we call it low yield. that type of weapon could take out easily a city, entire ploks, installations, so it could have a significant impact. and by the way, it continues to linger and could go elsewhere. it could go beyond borders. keep in mind, if he uses the weapon inside ukraine, particularly in the russian speaking folks within those. and there are russian soldiers.

so they will make the decision to use a nuclear weapon, that would mean that he's interested in killing his own people, not just ukrainian soldiers or ukrainian people as well. >> how do you assess the situation on the ground right now? >> ul assess it in a couple ways. number one, the reason why you're hearing all this saber rattling is because putin is out of options. none of the objectives since he started this war almost eight months ago, he's been able to conquer. number two, his soldiers have performed extremely poor on the battlefield. number three, he's now receiving a lot of pressure from home based on the performance of this war. so he's backed into the wall. ukrainians if they have great momentum and looks like they are knocking on the door and made tremendous gains.

i do believe they have momentum to potentially take crimea and win this war. >> hold on. you and i were at the obama white house when that was unfolding. the first time i read it was in this london telegraph article today that said there's an increasing belief that could happen. it kind of boggles the mind given where everybody thought we would be now eight months ago. >> it does because the russians are entrenched there. they have had eight years to dig in and make it their own territory. they have certain degree of support there among some of the people living there. to be able to overturn that rule ought years later, it also may indicate a certain cockiness on the part of the ukrainians. they are wondering if momentum can take themselves all the way. >> so i love the use of cockiness because you never want to get ahead of yourself, although you can understand why

ukrainians are feeling we have this in control, but what are the things that might say to them to say, hold on for a second. or do you think that's really a reasonable expectation given what we're seeing on the ground right now? >> there's a lot more fighting to be had had before we think about crimea. if you take a look at the 18% the russians hold on to. there's more fighting in the donbas that needs to occur. and we haven't seized the area yet. when we start talking about crimea, we're probably talking about long-term down the road. because we want to make sure that the momt momentum continues. then you set yourself up for further attacks down in the crimea region.

>> lieutenant general, it's great to have you on the program. thank you so much. peter is staying with us. still ahead this hour, president biden set to speak on the economy in the wake of the new jobs report that's sent the markets plunging. we're going to try to figure all that out. plus biden's pardon for federal marijuana offenders. how civil rights groups are reacting. reverend al sharpton will join me. and how republicans are trying to shift topic was from the numerous candidate controversies with the midterms closing in. you're watching "chris jansing reports," only on msnbc. rts," o. precisely orchestrate nearly 600,000 vehicles passing through their uk port every year. don't just connect your business. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) make it even smarter. we call this enterprise intelligence. ♪ ♪ this is the moment. for a treatment for moderate-to-severe eczema.

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president trump's superpac is buying in, putting cash in the midterm ad wars in two hotly contested races in ohio and pennsylvania, the first round of what's expected to be millions flowing into elections by november. it comes at a anytimetime when

the gop playbook is laser focused. inflation, inflation, and inflation. here's a few republican candidates from the debate stage just last night. >> inflation is number one on the issues that i hear from my constituents. >> when people across the state consider where we are at today versus when pritzker started, there's nothing that's any better. our property tax, crime, inflalgsings, everything is a disaster. >> the greatest threat to see your retirement today is the massive crushing inflation that joe biden caused. >> that last candidate there is republican blake masters, running against mark kelly in arizona. he has said he would have objected to certifying the 2020 election in a vote that happened the day of of the attack on the capitol. i want to bring in vaughn hilliard covering that race for us in phoenix.

what are you hearing about that strategy and whether it's working for masters there. >> we were about that debate last night. he hammered home the message around the economy and inflation. and using them as a crutch. saying one of the senators shot back against build back better. saying mark kelly was stamp of approval for anything that the joe biden administration wanted to accomplish. in using the policies of the biden administration and the democratic senate majority of the last two years, placing blame on those policies for the rise of inflation that is hitting here in arizona. you want to let you hear from a voter. we're in scottsdale where some of the moderate conservative

voters will be key to the likes of mark kelly. take a listen. >> the problem with arizona is i don't think there's a lot of of support here for trump. because most people here are independent minded. in fact, the largest registration bloc is actually independents. so they are not democrats or republicans. i think that because of that, i think t created some hardness to come back to the center on issues. but the good news with mark kelly is he's so liberal, it's a very easy choice between the two. >> reporter: he said that he's voting for lake for governor. he referred to himself as a businessman. but it's those types of voters that democrats are going to need to flip a significant number of. folks that are not inclined to support donald trump or candidates that are aligned with him. you heard blake masters

hammeringer home the economy and immigration. when you look had at the polling here that's come out not just here in arizona, but across the country here in recent days. you can see across the board the likes of the economy being at the top of voters' minds. however, at the psalm time, i want to underscore when you look deeper into those numbers, it's the likes of abortion and the 2020 election and its legitimacy that democrats have named as their most important issues. there's a lot at play between the turn yoet and those swing voters and where they lie on these races. >> it's a fascinating senate race. thank you for that. and just this morning, we learned the nation's unemployment rate dropped again, but according to some experts, that good news could lead to bad news. the u.s. added 263,000 jobs in september. the unemployment rate falling to 3.5%. but as one analyst put it, this puts the nail in the coffin for another interest rate hike in

november. the dow fell hundreds of point this is morning and take a look at where we're standing now. down 564 points. i want to bring in business reporter brian chung and peter baker is back with us. so that's the big question here. are we going to get another interest rate hike. help us understand how all this plays into each other. >> market pricing after the jobs report came out does imply the fed is going to go with the larger three quarter increase in their next meeting in the first week of november. what that tells us is that cost are going continue to get more expensive for households and businesses. the business side is interesting with respect to labor market, because if businesses don't want to take a bank loan out to build a second location and hire more people, they might take job postings down or fire some people. the labor market doesn't look like that right now with the unemployment rate at 3.5%. that's the lowest we have seen in over 50 years. but that picture could change as

the fed continues to hike interest rates. >> we heard this from vaughn. it might become the gop messaging. they face their own set of risks come november. obviously, for the democrats, it's inflation. according to a "washington post" analysis, 299 candidates or 53% of republicans running are election deniers. you talk about in your book, which i finally finished. but it's great. how this party has been reborn in trump's image. trump is already 76 years old, but there's a whole new generation of would-be trumps waiting to succeed him, whether ron desantis or josh hawley or tucker karlson, there will be no return to the pretrump era of american politics. >> it's been the required position to take that you

disagree with the 2020 election, that it was fraudulent or whatever. even though there's no evidence of that whatsoever. if not, you'll get on the bad side of the man at mar-a-lago. and nobody can afford to do that. so that has shifted things. that's made things a very strong personality at this point. it's about whether you support trump or not. it's not about particular issues. it's about the man at the top. >> we're going to go to maryland. the president of of the united states has just begun to speak. >> the reason i'm the most pro union president is because you're the single best workers in the world. not a joke. and a lot of people think if you just show up and you've got a job. how about those years of apprentice work? it's like going back to school. so what i have seen happen now is they are figuring out, everybody is figuring out that the supply chain and only on time purchases is a big problem.

now we're figuring it out if it's made in america, we're going to invent it in america. so i want to thank you for that introduction. thank you for welcoming us to your city ask for getting your two kids together to come and see me on a friday. i hope they will forgive me for that. it's great to be with the congressman. like expanding i-81, which is going to be expanded because of him. i want to commend the leaders wo couldn't be here today. i want to thank don edwards of maryland state federation of

labor and all the proud members of the united auto workers here toid. this is national manufacturing day. this is starting to mean something again. we celebrate workers. we're the backbone of the economy in this country. not a joke. where's it written that america can't be a leading manufacturer in the world again. where is that written? i'm here at this plant to thank the workers and management for building heavy duty engines, and parts of electric vehicles of the future. and like the united steel workers, where manufacturing cleaner cement for the roads and highways. people don't realize how much cement is made. the older accounts for 7% of global emissions.

guess what, clean cement makes a gigantic difference. ask like all the workers i met yesterday at the ibm plant in new york, where they are investing $20 billion in manufacturing advanced computers, here in the united states again. workers in syracuse where the company is investing $100 billion to manufacture computer chip, the biggest investment of its kind in america. we all know it's been four or five years in this country, a lot of things have been tough for people. a lot of things have been tough. there's still tough for many. there's also a bright spot. where america is reasserting itself power. america is reasserting themselves. where's it written that america can't lead the world in manufacturing again? we already created over 638,000

manufacturing jobs since i have been president. because we're making it happen here in america. companies ares investing in america. we're all making sure government delivers. the infrastructure law, the chips and science act, i don't know about you, but as my dad used to say, people are worried about getting three squares on the table every day and not having to deal with all the politics that are going on. but we made historic investment that's spurring incredible private sector investment. if i could divert for just a second, we had a piece of legislation that led by your congressman that, in fact, says we're going to invest $368 billion in dealing with the environment. there was a major article in a major publication yesterday from the industry. that's generating $1.7 billion

in investment. guess what, we gave a tax credit to somebody, and guess what, companies want to build that product. meaning hundreds of thousands of new jobs. not a joke. not a joke. all across america, we're proving made in america is just a slogan. it's reality. it's the best days are ahead of us, not behind us. look at today's job report. our economy created 263,000 jobs last month. that's 10 million jobs since i have come into office. that's the fastest job growth at any point of any president in all american history. historic progress. the unemployment rate remains at historic low of 3.5%. that includes the lowest unemployment among hispanic americans ever in the history of this country. the second lowest on the black teenageers. this recovery has been the fastest increase of people reentering the workforce of any modern economic recovery.

but there's something else. our job market continues to show resilience as we navigate through this economic transition we're in. for some time, i have been saying that what we need to do this this transition, we have to move from historically recovery to a more steady, stable recovery. we need to bring inflation down without giving up all the economic progress that working class and middle class people have made. that's exactly what we're seeing. over the past four months, we have created an average of 350,000 jobs a month. that's down from the 450,000 a month prior. down from 600,000 jobs a month from four months before that. the pace of job growth is cooling while still powering our recovery forward. wage growth remains solid, down from historic high pace, but still growing. and this is the progress we need

to see. in the short-term, the transition to a more stable growth that continues to deliver for workers and families will bring inflation down. the long-term the economy will build on a firmer foundation. there's still a lot of work to do. we're building a different economy than before. a better one, a stronger one. not trickle-down economy, that never helped my family very much. this is an economy building on from the bottom up, not from the top down. and when that happens, everyone gains. that's an economic vision i offer to america when i ran, and i'm pushing it. and that's what i want to talk about today. and how we have our republican colleagues that have a very different view. and i know many of you are probably republicans, but many of my republican friends are basically arguing that good news

for the economy is bad news for america. they are rooting for fewer jobs and lower wages. it's all part of this trickle-down mentality. it says it doesn't matter what happens on main street, but it happens on wall street. if wall street is doing well, everybody is doing well. i noticed the previous four years we weren't doing that well. then that took a tumble. it's not my plan. we continue to grow our economy in a stable and sustainable way today we're going to do something they don't want us to do. they love to attack the democrats. for what we have done. but they really don't want to see what their plan is. i doubt any of you can tell me the republican platform.

let's start with inflation. let me tell you how i think about it. i think about the way my dad used to talk. he was a well read guy. he had to leave scranton because coal died and we moved down to delaware. a little steel town at the time. and it's the way most people at home teal with these things. they talk about it around the kitchen table. do we have enough money to cover the bills if the month and all the necessities that aren't regular bills. if we do that, do we have a little bit of breathing room. just a little bit of breathing room after that's done. we don't have to worry. that's what we're trying to do. give families a little bit of breathing room. and that's what we have done. we passed the inflation reduction act, which the name doesn't matter a lot, but it's going to give medicare, the

power to negotiate lower prescription drug prices. we pay the highest drug prices of any developed nation in the world. it's going to limit out of of pocket costs for people on medicare no matter what their drug costs are. prescription drugs for seniors cannot exceed $2,000 a year. can't exceed $2,000 a year. it's going to cap. guess what. it costs a lot of. a lot of money. a woman stood up and said i have two kids. and we have to split it.

they didn't have the insurance. and guess what, how do you look at your child knowing they have type 2 diabetes and there's nothing you can do about it. not a joke. >> the bill i introduced said woor going to reduce the costs. it costs $10 to make it into package. charge as high as $657 a month for it. the original bill introduced saud we're going to take care of everybody. my friends and the other team are able to get enough votes. we have locked in safings and health care premiums for a

million of the people on the affordable care act. one of the things people forget is anybody who had a preexisting condition could not get insurance. could not get insurance. didn't have a lot of money to buy a private policy. we're making it possible to save thousands of dollars in energy savings. it's going bring it off the market in investing in other jobs. and folks for the first time in a long time, we'll make sure the biggest corporations begin to pay their fair share of federal taxes. the fortune 500 companies, 52 made $40 billion and didn't pay a penny in taxes. i come from the corporate state of the world.

i know corporations. everybody should be paying something. they talk about how we're big spenders. guess what. they passed $2 trillion tax cut for the top 1% in corporate america. they reduce by $350 billion. and this year we're reducing it i by more than $1 trillion. while we're doing all the things we're doing. while they negotiate drug prices over the next ten years, another $300 billion. every single democrat voted for the inflation reduction act. and every single republican voted against it.

not only that, they are telling us the number one priority is to repeal the inflation reduction act. let's be clear what that means. republicans take control of congress means the power we just gave medicare to negotiate drug prices goes away, gone. prices go back up. if republicans take control of the congress, the $2,000 cap on prescription drug costs with just passed goes away, gone. if they take back the control of the congress, the $35 a month cap on insulin for folks on medicare goes away, gone. savings on health care premiums, we just got for a million americans, gone. and it's not just inflation reduction act. they want to get rid of the affordable care act. that means an end of protections for millions of people with preexisting conditions. gone. now when it comes to taxes,

republicans get their way, they are going to get rid of the corporate minimum tax. talk about getting rid of your taxes. the biggests corporations go back to paying zero in federal income tax. check them out. these are facts. it's not just the inflation reduction act. they are coming after your social security and medicare as well. i know that sounds bizarre, but look it up. the senator in charge of electing republicans this year in the senate proposed the plan to put social security and medicare on the chopping block every five years. that means every of five years congress has to vote to cut or vote for medicare and social security again. what do you think is going to happen? but that's not enough. you have been paying into social security since you started work whg you were 16 years old.

there's a senator from wisconsin ron johnson, he thinks waiting five years is too long. and he says social security and medicare should be on the chopping block every single year. if congress doesn't vote to keep it, it goes away. you know the games that can be played in congress. it's not just social security and medicare. he wants to put everything on the federal budget. veterans benefits would have to come up every single year. it's not just this morning. i saw there's a report, as my grand kids say, google it. a report that came out on cnn that says republicans call biden infrastructure program socialist. then they ask for the money. it goes through all of the republicans who call it socialism. and how they are asking.

there's three separate letters to the administration asking for projects in his district. it enhanced the quality of life. voted against it. says it's all socialism. down the list. andy barr, the biggest socialist agenda, three different projects he wants. studying the importance of safety and growth in his district. rand paul, go down the list. look it up. socialism. think about it. let's get serious. folk, look. you can't make this stuff up. you have to say, and i was surprised to see so many socialists in the republican caucus. here's the bottom line. republicans take control of the

congress, these historic victories we just won for the american people are going to be taken away. every kitchen table cost is going to go up, not down. and i realize the costs are going up on food. i was able to bring gasoline down. it's inching up because of what the russians and the saudiss do. the cost of prescription drugs, they will all go up. the protection of preexisting conditions are taken away. social security and medicare will be on the chopping block. but they don't want you to know that. they are not campaigning on it. that's what they are saying. that's the documents they are sending out. folks, when it comes to the next congress, this isn't a referendum. it's a choice. it's a choice. it's a choice between two very different ways of looking at the economy. over 200 people in the congress who still think the last

election wasn't fair. i stole the election. even though every major republican judge said, no, no evidence of any of that. none. but i stole the election. folks, we talk about democracy. whether it's at risk. democracy is at risk in most places when the only definition of whether you win, you either have to win the election or it's been stolen. when you have a situation where a group of people attack the capitol like we have never seen, smash down the doors gorks after people, three cops end up dying, and they referred to as patriots. that's democracy? there's different ways of looking at our country. one is the view from park

avenue, which helps the wealthy and maybe will trickle down to everybody else. the other view is from scranton, pennsylvania, where i i grew up. the belief that the backbone of america, the people that get up every of single morning and go to work and break their necks and make a living, the working class and the middle class, that's who built this country. and by the way, the middle class building america and unions built the middle cls. that's who our economy should work for. let me close with this. the last few years, we have faced some of the most difficult challenges in our history. we're making real progress. helping folks just a little bit more and giving a little more breathing room. we just have to keep going.

and i know we can. for everything we have been through, i have never been more optimistic about our prospect. we're the united states of america. there's nothing, nothing we have ever set our mind to we have not been able to do. nothing. folks, nothing is beyond the capacity if we work together. so that's my hope. after this election, there will be a little return to sanity. we'll stop this by theerness that exists between the parties exists between the parties. we can own the 21st century there's not a single other

nation in the world that's more well positioned as the united states of america. it's because of you all. thank you very much. may god bless you. may god protect our troops. thank you, thank you, thank you. >> the music starts and an opportunity for reporters to not answer questions. the president in hagerstown, where there's a factory and look ing ahead to the midterms presented a contrast. this is a contrast, he says, between wall street and main street. park avenue versus scranton, which is his hometown. i want to bring back peter bakeer and brian. let me take these one by one. obviously, there's an important economic argument. this president knows that's on the ballot here. it's the number one issue in all the latest polls. but gas prices are out there looming. they are on their way up. and that's something that for every single american who is going to go to the polls, this

is something that is part of their everyday lives. where are we with that and how might it play into all of this? >> wafs interesting is he said that the economy and the job market is showing resilience, but he was talking about the jobs report from this morning, not so much about the inflation. we're going to get another read on inflation next thursday morning. he has fumbled with the administration on how the administration is handling the prices. oil prices could be going higher. that's going to be an issue heading into the midterms. but he is correct in terms of describing labor market as healthy. because 3.5% unemployment is true that that is at over 50-year lows. but the question is that's not what voters are bringing with with them to the polls it's really all about inflation. the prices they are paying at the stores and the pump and that does remain a hot issue. >> democrats do want to push

this idea of democracy. also shows up in the polls as something that voters are concerned about. it's interesting that he's in maryland. back to our original conversation, peter. when you look at those numbers when the "washington post" of 12 congressional or statewide elections that are key, nine of them in maryland. republicans are running election deniers. and you have a governor now who says of the republican gubernatorial nominee, dan cox is a qanon whack job. so this is also an election that is about do you belief in what these election deniers do? do you believe and what donald trump tells you? or is this election where we're going to see a repudiation of that? >> part of his referendum is it's not a choice between two parties. it's a choice between people who believe in democracy and don't believe in democracy.

you may think i'm not doing well enough on the economy, but at least we're in the four squares of the constitution. those guys aren't. they don't believe in the system as we have built it up. now that maybe a tough argument to make for families that are struggling, but he's trying to point trying to point out it is not whether you think joe biden is doing a good job, it is whether you prefer the q-anon crowd, as he puts it the maga extremists to come back or not. >> brian, thank you very much. peter, the book is "the divider, the trump white house, 2017 to 2021," thank you both for being here and for watching the speech along with us. and we'll be right back. along wi uths. and we'll be right back. in the dryer and find a wrinkled mess? try downy wrinkle guard fabric softener! wrinkle guard penetrates deep into fibers, leaving clothes so soft, wrinkles don't want to stick around. make mornings smoother with downy wrinkle guard fabric softener.

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news out of uvalde, texas, the school district there is suspending the entire district police force for an undisclosed period of time. 19 students and two teachers as you will recall were shot and killed there on may 24th. the district said in a press release, decisions were pending investigations, but quote, recent developments have uncovered additional concerns with department operations which led to the decision. acting district police chief lieutenant miguel hernandez and ken mull ver been placed on administrative leave. in its place, the district has requested the texas department of public safety to provide additional troopers on campus. fighting subpoenas, a raid by the fbi and the possibility of facing criminal charges, the justice department believes that former president donald trump is still holding on to white house documents. that's what people familiar with the matter tell nbc news. they also say a top counter-intelligence official recently told trump's lawyers that. this is all according to people familiar with the matter and

d.o.j. has declined to comment. joining me now, harry litman, former deputy assistant attorney general during the clinton administration. always good to see you. >> thanks, chris. >> if you're in your old post at the d.o.j., what do you even do here? you tried asking nicely. you sent a subpoena. you sent federal agents. what else do you do? >> i mean you try to develop more evidence to get a search warrant. i think they're just shy of that. or we can bet they would have been in there. they don't have that many great immediate options, oddly enough, although he is stunning and unprecedented, he's just adding to the criminal case for obstruction against him, because he is under an immediate obligation to return them, and this is something like the sixth time that he has thumbing his nose at them. >> the times first reported after a series of recent discussions between the trump team and d.o.j. lawyers, trump initially agreed to go along with the advice of one of his

lawyers who suggested hiring a forensic firm to search for additional documents. that's according to people briefed on the matter but the times reports trump changed his mind and he sided with other people who advised him to take a more adversarile posture. how would an adversarile approach as someone involved in a federal investigation potentially change the way agents and prosecutors hand al case. >> he is begging them to indict him. and not just out of antagonism. you can't have someone flouting the law like this again and again and the person who said to cooperate, this is the one sort of established and recognized and prestigious lawyer from florida who now we know has been demoted from trump's good graces and we have a better idea why, because obviously he wanted to do the sensible thing, and trump has the knucklehead hawkish lawyers who want to continue to fight. >> i also want to ask you if we have a moment about the news

that a senior member of the far right extremist group, the proud boys pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy in connection with january 6th. and is going to fully cooperate, we're told, what could flipping mean in this case? >> big news. so we have the current trial going on, where three people have flipped, and that is the core of the evidence against stewart rhodes and his other four co-defendants. now, enrique is facing the same dynamic people who will come forward and really describe the kind of violence they were ready to wreak and were training for. >> harry litman, always good to see you, as i say. thank you very much. appreciate it. have a good weekend. >> thank you. that will do it for us this hour. be sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday at 1:00 and stay tuned, i can see on the other side of the camera, katy tur is up next. s u. . the most epic sandwich roster ever created.

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good to be with you. i'm katy tur. we will start today in moscow with reporting on the ground in just a moment because if you were like me this morning, did you not need coffee to be jolted awake. the news alerts that president biden was warning of nuclear arm get written more than enough and like you, i'm trying to figure out what exactly changed and how worried we should all be. for months we have been hearing from u.s. officials that they didn't really want to publicly engage with a hypothetical even nuclear weapons and that vladimir putin was a rationale actor, but then last night, president biden told the crowd at a democratic fundraiser in new york that the end, the end might actually be near. saying, quote, we've got a guy i know fairly well. he's not joking when he talks about potential use of tactical nuclear weapons. or biological or chemical weapons. because