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i am ali salmon and does, i will see you back here tomorrow, 6 pm eastern for more american voices. for now, as always, i headed over to my colleague and friend, ayman joaquin. hey, alicia, thank you for the poignant reminder. i think people are losing sight of how important climate is, not in terms of what it means for our pain, but how it's impacting communities along the coast. thank you so much, it's good to see you. enjoy the rest of your evening. good evening to you at home. welcome to ayman. tonight, what is he still hiding? new allegations that trump might have kept more documents from the national archives. then on the trail, congressman pat ryan joins us live to discuss his campaign stop with president biden. and then justin -- justice jackson's moment. we finally hear from the new scotus justice on one of the most consequential cases of the new courts to turn. we have that in a whole lot more, i am ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> perry mason, and elise
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keating, sol goodman, i'll share one thing in common, that is beyond being tvs most talented attorneys, i think we can safely say none of them would touch donald trump's legal chaos with a ten foot pole. because it's not just the mess that he is in no, but as we learn on a near daily basis with this guy, there is always more with trump, more scandal, more illegality and more pain for his lawyers. this week alone, nbc news and the new york times reported that officials inside the justice department believe that trump still, and our pierre, still has government documents in his possession. after months of dodging the national archives, months of lying to the fbi, a full search of his florida home and now eight weeks of this clownish legal wrangling that he's been trying to come up with, trump might still be hoarding
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government documents, and is layers, they really don't know what to do about it. in fact, the schism has emerged within trump's legal team. as doj investigators weigh their options, including possibly obtaining another search warrant for mar-a-lago. trump's lawyers are in the midst of a civil war of sorts according to the washington post. some want to start cooperating with investigators, others want trump to keep up his standard combatted posture because, as you know, one thing that always works really well on law and order is one defendants get super competitive. in real life, like on tv, it's usually a sign of growing problems for the defense when that happens. trump's team has more than enough problems at this moment. legal losses from judges who have not fully during the orange kool-aid and seem to be pulling up day by day. it's gotten to the point where trump's lawyers have been forced to lob a hail mary up to the supreme court begging none
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other than justice clarence thomas to issue an emergency order that would overrule a federal appeals court panel -- judge aileen cannon to place about 100 classified documents found at mar-a-lago under the authority of an independent review. it's an unhinged legal workshop, but if the court is to rule in terms favor, the justice department investigation into classified documents, at least temporarily, could be harder to carry out. now if all of this is picking your head spin, think about how trump's legal team must feel, giving up the constant chaos and flow of bs and a constant push to make legal and ethical compromises. it's never just about the legal chaos with trump, it's also about the fight to take part in more potentially illegal activities at the behest of the client. he don't know what you are getting yourself into. this week, the washington post reported that trump asked one
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of his lawyers, alex cannon, to tout the national archives in early 2022, that he will return all the materials that the agency requested. they had a bit of a perry mason moment here -- perhaps, he knew that his client had a potential for phipps, because he refused to tell the national archives anything like that. from brand-new reporting from the new york times, in 2021, weeks before the alex cannon episodes, trump reportedly pushed his attorneys to make an offer to the national archives that he would trade the materials at mar-a-lago for documents that the national archive my app had on the national investigation into the 2016 campaign ties the russia. let that sink in because you honestly cannot make this stuff up, really. if this was on a tv legal drama, you would never believe it. mr. trump, i say you better call saul or mason or keating, but then again, knowing you
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would tv lawyers, rudy giuliani, may be, you better not. joining me now, ryan goodman, co-editor and chief of justice and security and law professor at nyu -- rachel maddow show and alex wagner tonight. we're lucky to have both of their legal expertise here. ryan, i will start with you. we were just talking about this before the show, what a crazy chaotic week it is, but this revelation that donald trump may still have documents that the u.s. government wants, has to be one of the most bizarre developments of the entire saga. >> i totally agree. i'm trying to think back what was the most significant legal department, i think that is it. it is prestigious department towards an indictment. this is the very kind of activity and obstruction that is the tipping point, many times, for the justice department, after they already accumulated the evidence sufficient for indictment as to whether or not to prosecute.
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i think this is outrageous that outlandish. >> lisa, what do you make of his decision to try to appeal this to the supreme court? how bizarre to understand if there is any kind of logical, legal explanation for this, or was i off base in characterizing it as a hail mary to try to get this in front of the supreme court and their intervention? >> i think it's a hail mary, but i think i also understand what they're trying to do here. one of the things that the trump team asked for was for the special master to get his hands back on the 103 documents that have classification markings. what they did not ask for is for the special master to take those documents back from the department of justice. the department of justice continue to review, so you have to ask yourself, what does former president trump and his legal team get from this? they get a preview of the indictment that ryan just told you that he thinks the department of justice has in store for president trump. jim chesky, one of the presidents current lawyers, stood up in front of judge the jury a few weeks ago and
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blatantly admitted that they don't have an index or a list of their own documents. they are so beyond eager to understand what the crux is of the department of justice's potential case, at least with respect to those classified documents. >> ryan, this week also brought significant reporting from the new york times that it seemed the former president was trying to negotiate with the national archive, willing to trade the mar-a-lago documents in exchange for any investigative documents that the archives may have had on the 2016 indifference investigation. what in the world -- what do you make of that that the former president is somehow trying to trade state secrets with the national archives? >> -- that he would try to leverage something like that, which we saw with ukraine and something similar, but the idea here is ludicrous. the times also reports that his aides thought of it as a nonstarter because the documents that we were sitting on or not his or the
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government. as joyce vance said, there was the extortion, in a certain sense. it also goes to a crime because what the government needs the proof is that he knows that he had the information and he had the intent to willfully retaining for the government. the idea came to him that he would actually try to use it as leverage as the government goes to knowledge and the willful retention. i think it's actually storm evidence once again of the prosecution. >> there's also this reporting for the washington post that seems to be significant, that one of trump's lawyers, despite being asked by trump, did not tell the national archives about the offered to return the documents. what do you make of that? >> i think someone add to know that that offer was, a, going to go nowhere and, be, to ryan 's point, the people surrounding president trump, they don't always make great courtroom lawyers. most of them are smarter than they might appear based on their interaction with their client. you can only do so much when
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you have a client who refuses to be coached. but alex cannon knew that would not only be a nonstarter with the department of justice but -- he politely or maybe not so politely declined to give misrepresentation to department of justice. >> i think it also highlights the point that lawyers, even though they are doing with somebody like trump and may or may not know about the locality of what he's doing, they themselves did not want to get embroiled in this. i don't know, you guys certainly know the law profession better than i, but i think most lawyers want to over. that >> share, and trump should be noted that is he is litigating into court systems. one is the real court system where his attorneys are dancing on the edge of insinuation. they are saying that he could have the classified documents, or the fbi could have potentially punted documents, but they are not taking those as assertions, because they know, as ryan can tell you, that is sanctionable, punishable conduct on behalf of
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the officers to court, which authorities are. then there is the case that they're prosecuting. they are prosecuting against the fbi in -- in the court of public opinion, where anything goes, and the client is under strain on to social and other places. that's a core case that they don't want to be involved in. >> actually, you guys have been doing an amazing job at this. i find it fascinating. i have been obsessed with the way you have been tracking all the legal woes and challenges that the president finds himself in and some of the alleged allegations that have been made against him. why did you feel the need to document it? it seems like it is a massive undertaking in this moment. >> i would also use the word obsession. i have been obsessed with it in a certain sense, to be honest, it's about the rule of law. when i came out of the government with the defense department and started the stuff with russia, collusion -- and then these other threats to our democracy, i thought this
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is one of the most important places can invest my attention. i have been tracking various cases of the january six insurrection and how he has a lot of criminal liability around that -- it ties into mar-a-lago as well. >> a surprise that all you have gathered and seen, that he has not been indicted yet. any other private citizen, and you have been at the forefront of gathering this and seeing this perhaps more than most of us. given what you have seen, overwhelming documents and evidence, are you surprised? >> it is shocking. any other person in our country -- >> at this point -- >> would have been indicted. if you look at some of the espionage cases, people are behind bars for much, much less than this. this is just egregious conduct, and the evidence they have seemed overly. >> ryan goodman, lisa urban, thank you so much, appreciate it. it's good to see you in person. as i said, first time to have this many people in the studio since the beginning of the pandemic. thank you for coming in. i have to appreciate it. up next, congressman pat ryan
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major legislative wins this summer, no denying that. but after all the celebration died down and the bells and whistles were gone, it's rare to see continued coverage in the news media of what happens next, what happens when the legislation goes into effect and changes peoples lives. that is one reason that president biden visited and ibm facility here in new york incompetency. he was highlighting good news at did the chips and science aqua signed into law the summer, a lot of the allocated billions of dollars to encourage more semi conductor production domestically. that news as a result of chips becoming law, ibm announced that it was making a 20 billion dollar investment over ten years in new york hudson
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valley. illinois this week, my corona nance that it plans to spend up to a billion dollars to -- over the next two decades to build a new computer chip factory in upstate new york. macron ceo told the new york times at the passage of chips made that investment possible. look, very simple, new jobs, more made in america products, that is indeed good news for our country. joining me now is democratic congressman, pat ryan of new york. he joined the president at the ivm factory this week. congressman, it's good to see you again, thanks for coming back on the show. you just won the and why 19, the new york 19 special election in a major swing district. we talked about it right after your victory, and now you're running for a full term in the 18. because at the redistricting in the state, it's just as competitive, but talk to me how important it was that president biden showed his support ahead of the bitter hymns to upstate
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new york and your region specifically. >> thank you for having me. it was such an honor to welcome president biden and to talk about the fact that we are delivering. not only are we estimate that standing up to fight for fundamental rights, freedoms, reproductive freedom, but we are delivering real economic relief and economic health, 20 billion dollars in the hudson valley, it's just a mass generational impact. it was a big moment for us. it is shows, again, actions speak louder than words. we are delivering here at every level, and i think that will matter an awful lot coming into a matter of 31 days. >> can you tell me a little bit specifically about how that impacts your district. that number, some of us can't wrap our heads around what it means that 20 billion dollars come into a region like the hudson valley or upstate new york, but what does that actually mean for your community for your constituents?
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>> i had a chance to speak before the president, and i talked about my grandpa who was a world war ii vet and worked at ibm for 36 years, back when millions of americans had good paying, working class jobs where you can actually support your family. we have gone away from the. we used to make 40% of semiconductors in the u.s., now we make 12. this kind of investment in our region means tens of thousands of good paying union jobs, which will uplift families, relieved that economic insecurity pressure that so many people are feeling and really give us something to be hopeful and optimistic about, as we look forward. that is what leadership is about. the president is certainly leading on this, and we are really proud of him. >> let me talk to you for a moment about politics, if i can. you launched a special election campaign right after the supreme court overturned roe v.
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wade. at the time, the washington post said that you and other democrats believe your victory can be because you anchored erase and demonstrated to voters how much he would fight -- talk to us a little bit about what the fight looks like and how you message for the type of fight at today's america. >> we are fighting on at least two fronts. one foot is an accidental fight for fundamental rights and freedom, starting with reproductive rights and abortion rights. i was at a rally today in our district, we're still hundreds of people fired up, angry and ready to come up to say this is not who we are as a country, when you are ripping away peoples rights and freedoms. and then the other front is that we have to show our fight and delivering that relief and delivering real economic results and some reason to be optimistic for millions of families. do have that one to combo in our fight here that we are able to deliver with the president's
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visit, it puts us -- not just politically but practically. it's a real help, every family in this region, and that is what it is all about. he >> brought up the issue of abortion specifically, and it being an animating force in a special election. do you think it will matter as much going into the midterms? does it even matter more that we have the hindsight of the last couple of months since it being overturned actually looks like. it's not just theoretical, we are actually seeing the painful consequences of what dobbs did. >> it matters more. it matters even more and rightly indignant and ready to take action. i thought that not just today here at nasa valley, i wasn't competency, the same place where the president came a few days ago, rolling with hundreds of folks ready to continue to fight and re-energized the fight. we saw that in kansas, we saw
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that and a special election and in alaska, and that momentum will continue because we are on the right side of this morally. we are fighting to restore these fundamental rights and freedoms, and that is a shared american fight that a lot of people are rallying to. i think that this will only continue to build, and we are going to hold a house coming in to november 8th, i am confident about that, because the american people have been woken up. the threats to our democracy and freedoms, and we are responding. that gives me a lot of reason to be optimistic. >> let me ask you one more about another threat, a national security threat. this week, the president while he was here in new york made some comments that i think caught a lot of people by surprise, some will say alarmist about the threat of russia possibly using nuclear weapons, describing it as a potential for armageddon and the closest we have seen two armageddon perhaps since the cuban missile crisis. what did you make those comments as somebody who has a lot of experience in national
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security, general? >> as someone who has seen combat and how horrific is, ducking about the specter of war and conflict and certainly nuclear conflict is heavy, but we have to be real about the fact that, frankly, our collective success in putting putin in a corner, and ukraine's incredible resolve and defending their homelands and values, combined with us and our allies in europe, has put him in a place where he has few options, and i think it's important, as the president has consistently said since the beginning -- russians need to be upfront, sure the information publicly and transparency, and was very effective at building the coalition and pressure to get as where we are. i think it's important to be honest about how serious that there is. i have long been a believer that in a democracy, the only way we can make good foreign policy decisions is when we are
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transparent, and we share the situation with the american people. >> congressman pat ryan, it's always a pleasure, sir, thank you for making time for us saturday evening. >> thank you so much for having me. >> after the break, the supreme court case that could gut the voting rights act or what is left of it. t is left of it or an unbearable itch. this painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks. it could make your workday feel impossible. the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside of you. if you're 50 years or older, ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingles. if you really wanna find out what you're made of, you can forget the personality tests and social media quizzes. because the only way you're ever gonna know is by heading into the big, wild, raging so-damned-beautiful- it-hurts world
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redistricting map and alabama that was pushed by the republican-led state modulator last year. as one of our next guests, new isaac explains, the lawsuit deals with congressional maps, which would give one of the states seven congressional districts, 40% of the states total population, a real chance at electing a black representative, even though african americans make up about 27% of alabama's population. it is a classic example of cracking impacting, two of the most common techniques to dilute minority voting, which is supposed to be prohibited under section two of the voting rights act. in fact, when a panel of three federal judges, two of whom appointed by donald trump, for this case in january, they agreed that what alabama was doing was the congressional -- in that congressional map, was illegal, and it went so far as to say they don't view the question of whether alabama
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violated the law to be a, quote, this one. but if history has taught us anything, it's that we should never, ever underestimate this far-right supreme courts leading cutting this voting rights act. -- allowing the racist jarmanning map to go in effect for the midterms and then agreed to take up the case this fall. alabama insist that they are taking a, quote, race neutral approach to redistricting, setting the constitution's 14th amendment, which they claim prevents lawmakers from making distinctions explicitly based on race. but, and this is an important but, the courts news justice, ketanji brown jackson, dismissed the idea that any consideration of race automatically creates an equal protection issue. here she is making her case with an argument seemingly designed to appeal explicitly to the conservative regional us
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on the bench. >> i understood that we looked at the history and traditions of the constitution, and what the framers and the founders thought about, and when i drill down to that level of analysis, it became clear to me that the framers themselves adopted the equal protection clause, the 14th amendment, the 15 amendment in a race conscious way, that they were in fact trying to ensure that people who had been discriminated against, the freed men, during the reconstruction period were actually brought equal to everyone in the society. >> that is just one small sample of what justice jackson brought to the bench on her second day of the term. the fact of the matter is that the conservative super majority of the court is likely to weaken if not outright destroy the ban on racial gerrymandering in this country.
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but let a sober even if it is for a quick moment, what it means to have a black woman on the supreme court, a black woman who not only brings with her is set of liberal values, values that support a multi racial democracy, but also an understanding of this moment, because the court in 2022 is not just liberals purses conservatives, it's supporting and defending the progress of the last 70 years, versus taking us back to the 50s or who knows, even before the. justice jackson might not be in the majority for many cases this term, but one thing is already clear, after one week on the bench, she is willing to fight tooth and nail to defend the progress we have made in this country. i will break all of this done with my panel after the break. y panel after the break. don't just connect your business. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) make it even smarter. we call this enterprise intelligence. y'all wayfairs has just what you need for your home.
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heard oral arguments in one of its most high-profile and potential consequential cases in this term, merrill versus milligan. it could effectively gut the voting rights act, greenlight racial gerrymandering and fundamentally weaken our country's multi racial democracy. joining me now are in mulhauser, senior correspondent at vox -- social justice activists and msnbc political analysts. it's good to have both of you with us. ian, i will start with you. federal courts, they have no power to start partisan gerrymandering, but they can step in when issues of racial gerrymandering occur, and i am
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looking at what is happening in the specifics of this alabama case, and i am thinking to myself, on these two issues commonly intertwined? >> they are. what you have in alabama is like 70, 80, 90% -- about 80 to 90% of black voters in alabama vote for democrats. about 70 to 80% of white voters vote for republicans. one thing that alabama republicans have figured out is if they want to prevent democrats from winning elections, they can use race as a proxy to figure out who they need to disenfranchise. they can say, let's pack all the black people and to a few congressional districts possible, because they know that if they do that, they will be targeting democrats. the voting rights act says that they are not allowed to. the voting rights act says even if you are not acting with versus intent, if your intent is to disenfranchise democrats, if you do something that results in black people having
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less voting power, that is illegal. although, i am not optimistic that the supreme court will follow the supreme court voting act, as it is rain. >> i want to get your reaction to what we heard from justice jackson on tuesday, because she made her voice present and felt very quickly. she is just the third black justice, the third black woman to sit on the court, and you can see why that mattered with the way she presented her questions. talk to me a little bit about what you took away from her line of questions. >> i think it was powerful. she clearly came ready so she did not have to get ready. what she did was attacked this kind of originalist framework that conservatives love to lie on of course lots of us in the racial justice base have pushed back against the originals framework by recognizing that originally people like we were not actually counted as citizens in this country. yet, justice brown jackson one even further in helping to dismantle the original
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framework altogether. she is helping us understand two things quite critically. she brought a factual, a motionless argument that helped people understand that if you are looking at the original intent of this amendment, that it was actually to secure the rights of freed slaves, so you cannot disconnect race from the original intent of this amendment, and she did so as i said in a way that was a motionless, factual and common sense, so they're gonna throw that angry black woman nibble on her, that we know that they were probably ready to use. the other thing that she did so roy was actually help us understand that the goal of equal protection under the law is actually to be realized, that not only our race consist solutions probable, they are absolutely necessary, because in a country where race and class are the essential tenets of the original organizing in this country, then it is impossible to actually build a just and equitable society without looking at the ways in
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which race negatively impacts so many groups of people. so, these two arguments can have long term effects, respected at the fact that she does not currently sit in the majority of the court. this can have a long term impact on just which if arguments can come forward to the court, especially from conservative folks, who want to rely on that kind of originalism, that he has not diminished -- dismantled. >> let me bring you in on the point that britney talked about here, which is during the oral arguments, justice jackson, she zeroed in on the 14th amendment but specifically dismissed the idea that the founders believed that recent shoddy was required when they brought it because by doing so, she really dips her toes into this originalism theory, which is most commonly associated with conservative legal arguments on the court. talk to us about the significance of slipping that on a set. >> yeah, she did more than -- she picked up the republican
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bat and beat them with it, a little bit. the republicans on the court have spent the last 40 years up this mythology, of what the past was like. first of all, originalism is the theory that we have to read the constitution the way that it was right in the past, and then they are claiming that the past was just like how they want the world to be, and the problem is in this case, that is actually not true. the specific argument she made, she pointed to a statute that was written by the same congress that route the 14th amendment. what that statute says is that nonwhite people shall have the same contract rights as white people. so, it's not a client -- color bind statute, it's not a statute that says we cannot look at resettle. it's as if white people are way up here and other people are way down here, you're not color blind, you have to bring up everyone to wear the white people are. that is what the congress that wrote the 14th amendment did. that is also, by the way, with
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the voting rights act does. it's everybody else has the same voting rights as white people had to enjoy. so, what she is doing here is she is saying, look, let's not even fight it, let's not to add to the question about whether originalism is right. even if i play on your playing field, republican justices, my sights the ones. >> brittani, based on what you heard tuesday, what do you think the likely outcome of this case is come june? >> i think sadly, we know that conservative justices on this court, on this party, they certainly don't listen to reason. they listened specifically to the goals that their comrades and colleagues have in mind, so we know that the goal of the gop has been to slowly hemorrhage the voting rights act for decades. they want to make sure that they can leverage racial discrimination across the country to secure their candidates, to secure their
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victories, and his secure their power at the local state and federal level. i'm not particularly optimistic, and yet, it's incredibly necessary that people like justice brown jackson are making the argument that they are because i said earlier, that could have long term impact. i think we will also continue to see a set rhetorical decline around these things, as was already mentioned, we see color blindness be promoted, not just on the courts but in society. people miss quoting and misrepresenting dr. king as if color blindness will save us all, and then we continue to have these arguments about critical race theory. this is actually one critical race theory matters, not one we are talking about what is happening in elementary schools, because that is not where it's being taught, but while we were clarify what is actually happening in elementary schools, the gop was visiting vilifying critical race theory, which helps us understand that there is no system in america, especially not the legal system, that is race neutral, not in
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its obsession, not in its implementation, and certainly not in its outcomes, this is the moment where we could be using this framework to better understand how we protect voting rights, and instead, it's society and certainly courtrooms across america, we are seeing the very framers and tools we need being vilified, continuously. >> ian millhiser, brittany packnett cunningham, please stick around, we'll talk you later on in the next hour. coming up, -- teaches us a thing or two about representation in congress. congresswoman rashida tlaib and her son adam jimmy after the break. break.
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can see on screen, representation in our government matters just as much. democratic congresswoman rashida tlaib along with their son adam are writing a new book about one of her -- the book is called, mama in congress, rashida tlaib journey to washington. congressman rashida tlaib and adam join me now. adam, it's good to meet you. thank you for making time with us. we appreciate your time this evening. tell us, congresswoman, if you can, why you decided to write this book and why now? >> i think my children inspired me to do it. i was part of the documentary, and they filed me for close to a year before i was actually elected, and just hearing my kids ask me questions like my youngest asking me, mama, who will be your boss? the president your boss? adam, being a political analysts, about elections and
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patterns, i don't know, it was something really cool about the fact that my kids got a front row seat to see me make history, but also that they knew are the challenges and the struggles that my family and grandparents went through so that we can have a better life. again, from the day they dabbed on the house floor, i thought to myself, what us other kids could feel the same inspiration or just kind of fun and excitement feeling like they can see themselves in government. >> adam, tell us a little bit about your participation. what made you want to do it with everything else going on in your life to participate in converting a book with her mom? >> i wanted to inspire the next generation coming into this world, like to have a dream, you can make it through a reality, if you take the steps my mom did. if you are struggling right now, you will be able to get through
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the struggles, just like my mom did through perseverance and having support by our side. >> congresswoman, when we talk about representation, it's awful -- often a handful of people, certainly i through the door. talk to me about the lessons you learned that you do want to pass on to the next generation. did you feel the weight of that pressure? >> i had to tell you, ayman, i did not run to be the first muslim or anything. iran because i've represented the poorest congressional district in the country. i lived in a community that raised me, and i wanted to fight corporate jurors and all those things. of course, it took an eight-year-old girl in sacramento, california of all places, who had a blazer on and was pulling on her placer. her name was diane. she looked at me, -- oh, she wants me to recognize that she's wearing a blazer. i said, oh, i love the buzzer you're wearing. >> -- >> she said, i'm trying to look
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like you. i said forget running for congress, he should run for the president united states. this eight-year-old with me and said -- i sent, oh my god, that just for me to be in her presence and for her to see someone like me unapologetically palestinian, proud child of emigrants, a unique, beautiful name, muslim, all these things, i could see in her face that she will run for president one day. i feel very much that it was an addition to this incredible life that i am in for maryland's. >> adam, what's it been like for you? with the experience like for you to see your mom in the public eye? obviously, we know her as a congresswoman. we know american politics can be nasty, but how do you see it when you see her both as a congresswoman and more importantly your mom? >> it's been inspiring for me. having someone who is able to do so much with their life, like, it inspires me to want to do something with my life, to like dream big just like my mom
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did, even with a lot of struggles i had as a young kid getting bullied for my religion, my ethnicity. i know i can persevere through that because of how my mom persevered through that. thank you, mom. >> very sweet. congresswoman, what is your message, if you will, to people who are adams h? who want to follow in your shoes -- people are probably looking at our politics right now, at the state of our politics, and they can be off putting. people who are not drawn to service, who are drawn to service but say that this is too nasty, i don't want to get involved in all of this. >> i just want them to know, it is so surprising when i tell people in 2018, i made history getting elected by a majority non muslim, non arab community. it was less than a 5% arab american community. it is predominantly black, latino, white community that elected one of the first muslim woman. it was fellow americans who shared the same values. i say that the young groups
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because i want them to know that no matter where they live, they ought to behave and push back, but people really can connect with you through the things that you think are incredibly important and your own lived experiences. i cannot express time people that i am the eldest of 14 and so many of my neighbors, i'm one of 12, yeah, my family grew up on a farm. all of those experiences, i mean, we made history not from those that made -- its those that shared the same values and the need to not stand on the sidelines and fight back. >> we are all very appreciative for the book. congresswoman rashida tlaib and adam tlaib, thank you for sharing your time with us and sharing your story with us. we greatly appreciate it, as always. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> up next, we have an update on the republican attorney general who literally ran away from being served a subpoena last week. don't go anywhere. anywhere.
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republican the week. we brought you the story of -- who fled by car for processor in order to avoid being served a subpoena. paxton has had to turn that car around. a federal judge ordered paxton to appear and give testimony in a lawsuit filed by multiple abortion rights nonprofits. the judge that initially squashed paxton's subpoenaed week earlier said the change was supported by paxton's own
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contradictory statements and social media posts. paxton had initially challenges subpoena on the basis of the high ranking government official. you could not be can pelted testified in a hearing, especially at 11th hour. the judge said he was compelled to change his mind when abortion rights groups filed a new motion citing the various attempts a me to serve him included that now infamous bullying by car. the next hour we have two republicans vying for the title worst of the week. stick around for the two nominees and who ultimately takes the crown. coming up on the second hour of ayman, hypocrisy overload, it is not just herschel walker but the entire republican party that needs to look in the mirror. we're going to explain. plus, ron desantis obviously terrible week, present biden facing legal challenges. florida's governor is on the defense. then, save the day, the january
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six committee final hearing is on the calendar. we have a sneak peek at the upcoming action. i'm ayman mckee dna, let's get started. it is the never ending october surprise. herschel walker's senate campaign continues to plunge ever deeper into turmoil. in 1:24 appeared alone, the walker campaign fired's political director, according to cnn, and then the new york times reporter reported that the same woman back in 2009 also lights that walker urged her to terminate second pregnancy two years later. herschel walker has denied it allegations that he has never paid or pressured a woman to have an abortion. the woman whose account first appeared has receipts. i mean literal receipts that

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