borders and the way that they are being treated, remember, we could soon all be climate refugees. that is all the time i have for today. i am ali salmon and does, i will see you back here tomorrow, 6 pm eastern for more american voices. for now, as always, i headed -- >> this is the katie phang show. live from miami florida. we've got lots of these to qatar, and lots of questions to answer. so let's get started. stunning new details! in the trump documents saga. according to a new report? trump wanted to cut a deal with the national archives in order to swap documents. what he specifically wanted, and what it could mean for the doj's criminal investigation. plus, the gop trying to bail out herschel walker's struggling campaign. to top conservatives who also oppose abortion rights? well now campaign for the key

senate candidates facing a abortion scandal. and mike powers response the point of republican voters caring about this kind of rope hockey. and, the athletes are asked to fill out a state medical form with menstrual information. why this is causing new privacy concerns. after that decision. and later, you remember barney? you know. the singing purple dinosaur that kids were obsessed with? you probably don't know about the barbie -- barney fall out. that some say started current heat culture. i'll speak live with the drummer for, of the new documentary that everyone will be talking about this week. ♪ ♪ ♪ and a good sunday morning to you all. i am katie fang. we begin this morning's show with the latest on the war in ukraine. and that huge explosion that

destroyed part of a strategic bridge. early saturday morning, linking russia with crimea. three people were killed in the blast, and now, vladimir putin has ordered an investigation. nbc's cal perry is alive in kyiv with more, tell my friend, good to see you. tell us what's going on. >> hey, good morning katie. so the investigation is probably not gonna be that complicated of one. this was an obvious, target this was a target that was hit. we're celebrated here. across the country, and certainly celebrated by the armed forces. though they did not take official credit for. it it is not something they do. that bridge has been reopened to traffic. traffic moving much slower. and keep in mind, this is our major resupply more out. this is the overland route between russia and crimea. and between crimea, and southern ukraine. where there were a lot of bridge line. some of those have been hit. so this is a key bridge, it was important that the russians get it back open. they say they have, but again moving much slower. here in ukraine, in the city of

zaporizhzhia. there is been another major attack. our viewers might remember the one from 48 hours ago? well, fresh attack overnight. at least a dozen rockets impacting that city. at least 12 people killed close to 50 others wounded, including six children who are in hospital. you add that to the death toll that occurred 48 hours ago. you're talking about 29 people, at, least killed in 48 hours. and we have some fresh comment from the president here. saying quote. the world must see the truth. amid salt attack on the civilian population has destroyed a residential and private houses where people just sleep at night. they were just living. they didn't attack anybody. it is these kinds of attacks that have people here concerned, katie because as the ukrainian military continues to make those gains on the battlefield, both in the eastern part of the country, and the southern part of the country. clearly, russia is lashing out once again at the civilian targets. katie? >> thanks to cal perry. cal, please, as always, stay safe over there.

and back here at home, donald trump holding a rally in nevada as he campaigns for a slate of law publican candidate there. just 30 days ahead of midterms. and you better believe, he had something to say about the investigation. into the classified documents found at his mar-a-lago estate. >> there is no crime. and they should give me back everything that they have taken. this is a two tier system of justice. and it's got to stop. >> these are radical left lunatic's. they lose documents. they plant documents. >> there is no evidence, of course, of anything that trump just said at that rally. but nonetheless, he is airing his grievances as he attempts to whip up support for himself. and those he has endorsed. tonight, trump heads to arizona for another rally where he will be joined by election deniers running for governor and senate. here is nbc news correspondent,

bon hillard, with a preview. >> this is the perhaps, most significant weight for these arizona midterms. because early ballots? are going into mailboxes just three days from now and it's exactly why donald trump is holding a campaign rally. here in arizona later today. alongside, his slate of candidates. that would be blake masters, the republican running for the u.s. senate. against mark kelly. as well as keri lake. it is running for governor. as well as the bid for secretary of state. and attorney general. really, this is been the epicenter. from the political france. liz cheney was in the state this. week ted cruz was in the state this week. mike pence is gonna be in the state on tuesday. and this comes after donald trump campaign just north of here in nevada. for his picks for the major seats up there. unsaddled na. this is all also happening while the policy pleas out in the background. you know, just two days ago that an appeals, there is a circuit of appeals court. ruled that the statewide ban of abortions, here in the state of

arizona, they placed a hold on. it until there are further hearings to determine its legality here. in the meanwhile, it's, the lights look like masters and the republican to a defended in the 15-week abortion ban that is now in play here in the state of arizona, while the democratic opponents have called those positions extreme enough are back. again, this is gonna be significant because here in arizona there is a tradition of voters not only voting early, and by mail. but doing it on the earlier and and that is why you are seeing this early play here in the state of arizona before those battles make their way into the hands of voters. >> all right, thanks devoun hillyard for that, coming up i'm gonna speak to a political panel about trump's latest antics and the new hypocrisy for two high profile republicans as they head to georgia to campaign for embattled gop senate candidate, herschel walker. and then we're gonna turn to florida. where for the first time since hurricane ian, southern evacuees are back on fort myers

beach. to see what's left of their homes. but officials are warning all of the structures on the island are unsafe and there is no running water. stephanie stanton is live now, just about 30 miles south of fort in naples. with the latest on the efforts to rebuild the community along the west coast. stephanie, can you share with us what are you seeing right now in terms of that rebuilt? yeah, good morning to you katie. as you said. we are here in naples, we are about 45 minutes south of fort myers beach. this is a canal community. it's steps from the bay. and take a look over here, you can see behind me that this is a huge pile of debris. this is pretty much the entire contents of the home here. it had to be taken out. it's a total loss. let me re-direct you over here to the house. this is a single story ranch tell home. and we are told that the storm surge was about seven feet. so almost to the top of the roof there. the homeowner here has been taking out all of these

contents for days. he is wasting no time though. rebuilding. because when you look inside, you can see that the dry wall has already been torn out. so this homeowner definitely plans to rebuild. we are told that he has lived here for 20 years. and so, this isn't the first time that he seen water in the home. but this is certainly the most catastrophic. now let's direct you, again, about 45 minutes north of here. to fort myers beach. as you said, yesterday. we saw residents being bused on to that barrier island. for the first time in nearly two weeks, since hurricane instruct and many of them are coming back to see the destruction firsthand. many of the homes there considered a total loss. some of the homes, completely gone. we had nbc news talking to one resident who came back to see his home, just a pile of debris. but he says that he plans to rebuild. the death toll from hurricane ian continues to rise.

more than 130 people have lost their lives in the storm. officials say that most of those are over the age of 50. and the cause of death appears to be drowning. and as you said, katie, in terms of the island. we understand that once again this morning, it started at about 7 am. there will be a sour gird reopening more residents and more business owners will be allowed to continue to go to fort myers beach to survey the damage again there is no running water and most of the structures have been deemed unsafe because the island took about 12 to 18 feet of storm surge. >> unbelievable, thank you stephanie stanton for the latest over in naples florida, still ahead on the show, trump likes to think he's the master of making deals. but what you think about the deal that he reportedly want to make with the national archives? plus. some disturbing details coming out of the first week of the oath keepers trial. but there are a few things that actually left glenn kirschner feeling hopeful. about our country. he is here to explain!

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we know, donald trump likes talking about, besides himself. is his ability to make a good deal. he even wrote a book called, the art of the deal. and a new report from the new york times says that he even thought that he could cut a deal. with the national archives, according to the times, trump was still determined to show that he had been wronged in the russia investigation. so he wanted the national archives to handover the sensitive documents that he thought would prove him right. so this grand plan that trump reportedly cooked up would be to return the boxes of white house documents that he improperly took to mar-a-lago in exchange for those russia investigation documents. the time reports that trump talk to his aides about the idea, but those aides never actually pursued it. nbc news is not independently confirmed these details. we reached out to the trump team for comment. neither they, nor the national

archives responded to the new york times request for comment. if, this report is true. what does it tell us? well, trump may have known that there was some kind of validity to the documents he had at mar-a-lago. if he was trying to bargain with them. so what does that mean for the doj's investigation with that? here to break this down with me. is the former pedophile pasta cuter and msnbc analyst glenn kirschner. go and my friend, good morning. as always, thank you so much for lending your insight to the show and if this is true what are the implications for trump thinking up this possible deal with the national archives? >> you know, trump is all about the quid pro quo, isn't he this for that. and it proves a couple of things that the reporting and we have no way to report that it's not but first of all he knew he had the documents. he knew the documents of some value, frankly, he knew that he

had no right to possess the documents because he was negotiating for their return to the federal government. to the national archives. i don't know why the government negotiated with somebody that i have called a classified documents terrorist for so long rather than taking the kind of law enforcement activity that department of justice would have taken. if you, or if i were in possession of stolen national security information. be that as it may, it's water under the bridge. but, donald trump is now exposing himself as somebody who is willing to take property that he stole and leverage it to his own benefit for other information that he wants, that he has no right to, from the federal government. i've analogize to a situation where the neighbor stole your tv, and then said if you want to back give me $500. well in concrete terms, that's what donald trump was doing,

with these stolen documents. >> you know, and glenn, looking ahead in the bigger documents and that's occasion. sometimes these cases get kind of slowed down in the legal process and this coming tuesday as the deadline for the doj to respond to trump's request. that the supreme court of the united states intervene in the case and light special master dearie review those 100 classified documents. what do you make of this strategy by the trump team? do you think that it's gonna be a successful one? and frankly, it's still gonna allow the investigation part of it to continue. by the -- in terms of its excitement. but do you think it's just another delay tactic on the part of trump? >> yeah, what has trump's strategy of delaying the legal process not worked? right. not won him enough time. sometimes, to run out the clock. you know, i do wish that the department of justice would stop playing donald trump's

reindeer games, star playing on donald trump's playing field because civil liberation is donald trump's playing field and it's where he can best weaponize the delay that is inherent in the civil litigation process and you know how the doj can put an end to all of that? indict him in federal district court. in washington d.c. where these cases will be properly bright. that is where there is venue. once you are indicted criminally katie, as you and i both know, as former prosecutors. the delay the ability to appeal things in a piecemeal fashion is over. because then, virtually the only time that you get to appeal anything is after that you have gone to trial and been convicted been sentenced and then the appeals be can so you know if the doj will get to the point where they bring charges

in just one of the many cases where we have seen that there is enough evidence to bring a criminal charge, they would stop playing on donald trump's playing field. >> so let's talk about d.c. and federal trials, one happening in your backyard. you've dedicated a lot of time glen to it, it's the other big little story the old keepers trial resumes tuesday. you've been watching a day in and day out. stewart rhodes the groove founder is charged with seditious conspiracy for the role in the january 6th insurrection. prosecutors have been having evidence that they had a detailed plot to stop the transfer of power from trump to president biden. as we know all five have pleaded not guilty but glenn i wanted to ask you specifically about this twitter post. you wrote that despite all the details about violent rhetoric in the trial that you are latching last week, you came away feeling slightly more optimistic about where we are

in american history. can you expand on that and explain to our viewers how that is possible to hear what is alarming evidence in my opinion about planning, and pea meditation. and weapons. and civil war. but the fact that you have some optimism coming out of it? >> yeah. so the good news katie is twofold in my opinion, having sat through hours an hours of this trial, first the evidence is very strong because rarely do we have the kind of direct evidence of gill that prosecutors have in this case, video audio recordings, written communications. an open letter. written by the head and the defendant stewart rhodes saying listen president trump, if you don't invoke the insurrection act then we will take up arms and take matters into our own hands. that's very strong evidence of this vicious conspiracy. but the other thing that gets me hopeful is that on thursday. the prosecutors called three witnesses who were veterans of the military and former oath keepers, there are members of

the oath keepers organization for a relatively short period of time, a few months in the run up to january 6th, and all three said sort of a variation of the same thing. that you know what, i'm a patriots and i love our democracy and our country but what i heard from elmer's to it roads in the other oath keepers led me to believe that they were preparing to rage war against the united states and all the three of these men military veteran said i am leaving the organization the or keepers because i am disgusted and disturbed and repulsed by what they are planning and preparing to do, and i am cooperating with the law enforcement authorities. when you hear the term oath keepers, katie, i am as guilty as anybody and conjures up a certain notion in my mind, you know, oath keepers are bad and oath keepers are monolithic. well, that proves not to be the case there was some real patriots who served our country

formally in the military, got involved in the oath keepers. for many reasons. and then were repulsed by the anti-democratic, unpatriotic and dangerous rhetoric and conduct that they saw and they said, you know what i'm gonna try and do the right thing. that left me feeling a little hopeful and a little optimistic. >> well you know, glenn kirschner, you and i and many others who keep beating the drum about why it's so important for people to understand what is happening, to our democracy. and how our legal system perhaps is going to deliver some justice at the end of the day. i always like to say your favorite phrase and that's because justice matters. glenn kirschner, thank you for being with us this morning as always. >> thank you. >> coming up! the publicans letting all of their hypocrisy just hit it out the two republicans said to campaign for her shot despite the growing scandal. you're watching the katie phang show!

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democrat, raphael warnock. this comes just days after the new york times reports that walker's ex girlfriend alleges that he paid for her abortion and reportedly urged her to have a second one and rocker has denied the allegations an msnbc hasn't verified these reports. or what may explain the decision by these republicans to campaign for someone like herschel walker. let's take a listen. >> herschel walker is running the race. he's a great candidate. raphael warnock, with joe biden. and, you know, this is lies cheap and smear. that's what democrats do. but he's gonna win. >> rick scott making it clear that it's all about the winning and the winning of that key joan just senate race well apparently it's at any cost. for more that we're joined by george w. political strategist and former republican matthew dowd and msnbc political

analyst were keena. good morning, thanks for being my political panel this morning and i wanted to start with you. are you at all surprised. you've been in this space for this awhile. or is there anything really left to surprise you matt? with somebody about rick scott and cotton gonna campaign with herschel walker in this ongoing scandal? >> well good morning. i'd like to say that i'm surprised. but i'm. not in this moment and when this all broke, herschel walker was in the midst of. there's i watch the gop circle the wagons around the worst reprehensible candidates in the country. people forget what happened in alabama, when jones was running against more. it accused them of molesting teenagers and a verbal herbal nut. and 95% of republicans of roemer and he lost 1.5% against that herschel walker is gonna

get 90 92 of the gop vote. and he's gonna get 80% of the evangelical vote, the white evangelical vote in there. so i'm not surprised that we have a political party today that's completely adopted and the ends justify the means approach to winning for office. it doesn't matter how flood the candidates are, it doesn't matter the candidate they have. doesn't matter the attended the. it doesn't matter any of the values that we were raised on. and they don't want to raise their children. it doesn't matter. winning is the, and so whatever means necessary to get to the end, host someone's fathers herschel walker is where they are. >> to voters even care about hypocrisy in politics anymore? or is this going to be come just business as you know jewel. i can't imagine rick scott and tom cotton being able to hold their nose, get on to georgia and understand herschel walker. after hearing of the gop

talking points where abortion is down. >> candy, i'm so glad you framed it that way. because herschel walker wasn't honest. imagine them not going back to stand by a woman candidate who had an abortion. and she was in georgia running the senate. because i feel like there's double standard always, with the women and men but you have men backing men, all in the name of power as they outlined but i do disagree with one thing. i'm not sure that herschel walker is 90% because he's underperforming with republicans already. prepared with the blanket, compared to others on the ballot with georgia. so i think some republicans might just give the senate race on the ballot. so you know who will be able to show? up democratic candidates who didn't show him in the first place. so i do think that there is -- to leverage this moment. and emphasize, not only the hypocrisy of the abuse. of the abortion allegations.

but also the allegations against her. and herschel walker. related to the abuse, so i think that there is something for them here. where they can outline very systemically that can motivate and mobilize democrats and some independent voters on some high rate. >> you know, let's shift gears. donald trump holding another one of his absurd rallies last night in nevada to campaign for republican candidates, in that state, we all know it's pretty wackadoo already, including the republican party nominee for secretary of state, jim marchant. take a listen please to what marchand had to say last night. >> president trump and i lost the election of 2020 because of a rigged election. when my coalition of secretary of state candidates around the country get elected, we are going to fix the whole country. and president trump will be president again in 2024. >> you know, matt moore chant, according to the washington post is just one of 300

republican election deniers on the ballot this november. biden on the 2020 presidential election. should be concerned that voters are just being complacent about the risk of election deniers winning key races like secretary of state, which controls state elections? >> well that's incumbent upon all of us to highlight these races that normally do not get a lot of play. the secretary of state, his coalition includes secretary of state candidate in michigan, in arizona and so, in all of these places, what is basically revealing, which i'm glad he did, is they have a national plan to basically put people in power, and to ensure that whoever does not win the election will in their riding in these key states around the country. so i think it is important, i am glad to see the threat to democracy in the court continue to rise in the polling, both among democrats and among independent voters. and is not among republicans. it is he is rising, that's a

great thing. but i think it is incumbent as i said, on all of us to keep raising this, especially in races like secretary of state attorney general, they don't often fit the profile that u.s. senate races get and governor races get. >> juanita, this thursday we are looking forward to the january 6th committee holding its next, and possibly last public hearing. since the panels last hearing, they interviewed ginni thomas, wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas, the panel has also heard testimony from former trump secretary of state mike pompeo. juanita, what are you most interested in hearing about, especially if this might be their last public hearing? >> look, i guess it is less a question of what i want to hear, and how i want to hear it. i want them to fill a comprehensive narrative that goes crime by crime, evidence by evidence, deposition clip by deposition clip and lays it out for people exactly the truth of what happened on january six, and who is responsible. on top of that, they should

absolutely name who should be held accountable in the contact of this being an ongoing threat to our democracy. as matt mentioned, the polling shows people will be tuning in with democracy, and concern for the threat to our democracy front of mind. so those democratic voters, those independent voters, and some disaffected republican voters absolutely will be meeting to hear that before they go to the polls. because katie, as you said, the potential last time this committee will be addressing the public before the midterms, before they release their report. and they need to tell a story. and they've shown time and time again they can do that, i just want them to do it one more times that people have it clear in their minds, the ongoing threat represented by republicans and the accountability that should follow. >> you know, as i let you guys go, matt, i will borrow one of your phrases. it is country over party. and that is an organization, and a phrase. it's amazing, right? i think that's what we need. matt and juanita, you guys are really emphasizing. that i think that's what we need to remember, it is country

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it is our fellow citizens who remind us who we are. nd us who we are >> some school districts in florida are facing backlash for asking female student athletes to report their menstrual history online. and in a world where row is the way it no longer exists, there's a lot to be worried about. let me break down what is going on. in florida, if you want to play school sports, you are asked to share information under medical conditions, like seizures and allergies. sounds reasonable, right? but for female athletes, some of the questions, although presently of tunnel to answer can be very personal. like, when was your first menstrual period? how about, how much time passes between your periods? these questions may not be new, but how the answers are being stored is. the used to be submitted in paper form to the school's athletic director. but now some schools are using

an outside third-party company called activate to store the data online. and with a subpoena, the company acknowledges it may be required to share that information with law enforcement. an activate spokesperson says the company adheres to the privacy status side by each school district in addition to all state and federal laws relating to the confidentiality of student records. but in a statement criminalizes abortion after 15 weeks, and bans transgender women from sports, families think storing the reproductive information digitally could put their kids at risk's. even doctors are taken aback by the move. one telling the palm beach post, i don't see what school districts need that access to that type of information. it sure as hell will give me pause to fill it out with my kid. now jordan's civil rights activist nadine smith, executive director of the equality florida. nadine, good morning. thank you for taking time to

join us. i will talk about why this move to store medical questionnaires online by a third party company, which by the way is not even governed by hipaa, cause for concern. we've seen this play out in nebraska, and faced with responding to a warrant was turned over to lawton forsman, private messages between a mom and her daughter about her use of abortion pills. nadine, is this the kind of disclosure that his parents in florida worried about this new move? >> absolutely. it is quite understandable. we are living in a florida where anti lgbtq hysteria is being whipped up by the government. and as access to health care is being dipped in my politicians, not doctors or families. as a parent, i understand why parents are reacting, why students are fearful, desantis has made our schools less safe with a diverse population that makes up our date. we see it in statewide student walkouts, during the

legislative session. we see it in the teacher shortage. because educators are tired of being vilified, told outright lies to students of our history. this governor footers everything through the lens of his 2024 presidential ambitions. not the needs of florida. so he knows he needs to outflank trump to the extreme right. to do that, he does what extremists do, scapegoats minorities, makes a climate of invading privacy, of censoring, banning books and replacing parents and doctors with politicians. there is no trust this information is being taken for the right reason, stored in a manner that is responsible. you have parents telling their daughters, when you go to the doctor, don't talk about menstrual cycle, don't give them that information. because we fear that will be weaponized to turn you into a criminal for seeking attention. >> nadine, there's been pushback from the lgbtq+

community. florida law identifies transgender girls and boys, women, when announcing a new law that bans trans girls from women sports, governor ron desantis says in florida, girls will play girls sports, boys will play boys sports. could that questionnaire be used against trans students. and if so, how? >> again, that fear is well founded. this is a governor who has weaponized a place where the public is unfamiliar, does not have exposure to a group. he demonizes them whether it is immigrants, whether it is trans people, the lgbtq community, so i think it is a very perilous and dangerous thing to see this invasion of our privacy, the stoking of fears, outright hostility. you know, it was the governor and his office using this rhetoric, basically to describe teachers, anyone who stood up for the lgbtq community,

especially students and parents feeling very uneasy about sending their children back to a school system, that's been the outright hostile. i think this is what we are seeing, this suspicion is well founded, so is inflicting on the desire to strip away our right to privacy, to engage in this, we don't have the information we weaponized, but every one to be very concerned. >> nadine smith, we'll keep an eye on what happens with this questionnaire. as a county in florida, palm beach, pressing to keep out those questions. we appreciate you taking the time you hear, to express and share some insight into why this will be a concerning move on the part of floridians. we might be entering into more of a big brother state than anybody else. nadine sniff, thank thank you. and coming up, the dark side of

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teach kids about inclusivity, imagination, and kindness. but there was something about the fictional character that did the opposite. and ignited a surprising level of vitriol across america. take a look. >> some of the rumors that i heard. barney has jokes on his tail. >> they were explicit -- dismemberment of my family. >> i love you barney. >> they were gonna come and find me and they were going to kill me. >> just the dark side of this whole moment, but last devastated -- >> there was something darker going on here. >> i don't think you could ever think somebody would go and shoot someone. >> the 90s were time when the internet was starting to go mainstream, and the amount of vitriol directed imaginary dinosaur seem a bit ridiculous, but some trace modern hit culture back to, yes, barney. i love, you you hate me, the

docuseries coming to peacock this week, explores this series. -- in miss that he was part of this hate. as a teenager he asked his aunt to make an barney costume so that he and his friends could beat up barney on camera. i am, happy i think, to be joined by tommy abalone this morning. no, tommy, i am joking. this is a really interesting docuseries. why did you choose to tell this story about barney? >> i saw this 1993 news broadcast in college at the university of nebraska were all these college kids got around and started bashing barney in the end the newscasters said that is a future of our country right there. and i, was like we are living in the future right now it would be nice to explore love and hate through barney the dinosaur. my it made me a costume so so we could jokingly make fun of barney. >> i figured as much. listen, bernie seemed to set

some people off, obviously. was it really bronny that people were so mad about. or was it something sinister otherwise going on there? >> bob wes, the voice of barney, says in our movie that parties in some ways was a mirror to all the things we did not like about ourselves. here is a character talking about love and happy family, and if you do not connect with that it hits the certain cords that make you feel less than. whenever you see something that is perfect there is a need to try to take that down. >> and, this is not just about barney, the. this is been deemed to be the beginning of a wider problem. you just touched on it a couple of minutes ago. some say it really set off modern-day hate culture. talk about that a little bit more. >> because barney, the tapes word in 1980. eight but the show premiered on pbs in 1990. to that is early internet. you have before aol in all

these sorts of things, before some of the word jihad was ever used on the internet was the jihad to destroy barney. so, it is a very early into that where everybody collectively got a line to find something to hate. we talk to the people on that website, and they say it is like a culture that it was brewing or starting. people collectively disliked barney and got together and talked about a. you can see that progressively happen through other things. >> so you admittedly used to be a barney bash for yourself. but you say you have changed. what was it for you, tommy, the make you change your mind. and do you think actually the evolution of that for you could be applied today to mitigate the hate culture that we are seeing almost everywhere? >> yes. when i was too old for, barney bernie came in there was ten years old. and later in life, me and my friends had a video camera and thought we were funny and we do

these scuds. my, friend to me, was dressed as mr. rogers and he would beat me up his barney. it was a sketch. we were just trying to fit into what was funny about -- we watched mad tv a lot. so the idea of bashing this thing, like my, son six years old, i could imagine being a parent and having a -- secret society like some parents have. and i hate barney secret society. because my son loves a blip. and if i is a parent openly bash this thing, he goes, if dak doesn't like it what's wrong with -- maybe i shouldn't like it. so it is the sort of idea. a lot of the reasons certain people dislike barney, it was not anything that barney did. it was all about these things to get triggered in us. all haze a kind -- of you look at a, hate it dehumanizes things. we wanted to dehumanize barney

so that -- hate is kind of unnecessary behavior. is ki>> tommy avallone, i'm sod you came here this morning. because i think a lot of it will be quick to dismiss this idea of a docuseries about barney. but you do touch upon a lot of parts about our human nature. which seem to be repeated over time. so i'm really glad that you joined us this. morning i love, you you hate me premiers on peacock starting this coming wednesday. i invite all of you to want. tommy avallone, thanks again for being. here we appreciate it. >> thanks so much. >> and we will be right back. e will be right back

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