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the midterms, just 30 days to go. and a new controversy surrounding comments made by a senator at a trump rally in nevada last night. senator tommy tuberville attacking democrats on crime, added this to his argument. >> the democratic party have a majority. they can stop this crime today. some people say, well, they are soft on crime. no, you're not soft on crime. they are pro crime, they want crime. they want crime because they want to take over what you got. they want to control what you have. they want reparation because they think the people that do the crime are all dead. they are not -- >> today, a republican congressman was given an opportunity to weigh in on it. here is his exchange on meet the press. >> there is a differently to say that. most people heard those comments and felt, not just polite, but a lot of people heard those comments as racist.

>> yeah, that's not the way i present things. but we've got to be honest, we have a crime problem in our country. >> do you feel as though those comments cross a racial line? >> i am not going to say he's being racist, but i wouldn't use that language. >> okay, also new today's january six committee preparing for what could be its final public hearing on thursday. we are getting some insight into what we might expect. >> they have incredible investigative teams on the committee that are trying to link all of this into a holistic way. they are on the legal and militant strategies going on. if you put those sides of the triangle together, with the investigative teams that they have, they can put all the different lines into a report that gives a holistic look at how all these players work together, how are they are marching to the tune of one drummer. and that was donald trump, who really was the person who said this election was overthrown. and by december 19th, we see

sort of a full court press. >> first, let's go to arizona, where former president donald trump will be rallying for republican candidates tonight, ahead of early voting. which begins on wednesday. nbc's ivan hillier is here for us. i know you've been following donald trump on the campaign trail. what are voters hearing from him? and what can we expect in arizona? >> i think this is really an instance of voter turnout here at this point, alex. donald trump still has a loyal following in this country, and that is exactly why these republican candidates across the country continue to go out and campaign alongside him. he was in nevada last night, arizona today. over the last three weeks he was in michigan, pennsylvania, ohio. we saw evidence in 2020, while he lost, he also did in fact turn out voters who don't normally come out. he galvanized, if you look at rural arizona, numbers the state has never seen before. staunchly loyal republican

trump voters. that is why these candidates from blake masters, who's running for the u.s. senate seat. the democratic incumbent, as well as keri lake, the candidate for governor here. they have each decided to come and stand alongside him today, because there is a recognition that he still has a following. when you look at the crowds here, they maybe are not what they once were. at the same time, this is his hers third stop in arizona this year. you're looking at thousands of people who are still coming out to the rally and he is six hours away from addressing it. mike lindell is at the agent's been talking for an hour to this crowd by microphone. continuing to re-litigate the 2020 election and spewing conspiracy theories. when you are looking at these candidates, these are defining days we will be talking about for years to come here, alex. for the likes of election deniers who are running across the country, you have each of the three top positions here. governor, secretary, state attorney general. those folks will have to certify any election here.

so the 2024 election could potentially be held up if any of those individuals -- i want to let you hear from donald trump because so much of these turning up investigations and political ramifications is he is using to try and boost turnouts. listen to him last night in nevada. >> we want to run against trump trump trump. but all they do is fight to try and make sure that i can't run, because they don't want to run against me. we are leading in every single poll, republicans we are leading by 50 points, 60 points, 48 points, 44 points. >> of course, the former president has a penchant for looking at polls that are not based on any statistical samples. but when you are donald trump here, it is a way of deflecting and pushing back against the investigations that are mounting against him. not only the january six investigation, but the doj and the j six committee up on capitol hill.

but also the fulton county investigation. you have civil cases that are slated to go to trial next month, or i should say next year. there is mounting evidence against the former president. not only is he trying to boost his down ballot candidates, but potentially his own presidential run in the months ahead. alex? >> thank you from the comprehensive report there, including the report that the my pillow guy is still talking at the other end there. thank you very much, ivan. joining me now, luke broadwater, congressional reporter for the new york times, and tracey walter, former cia officer fbi special agent. a big welcome to you both. tracey, you first hear. because donald trump was attacking the investigations, targeting the fbi for violating his fourth amendment rights. and at one point, praising the size of the crowd that he spoke to on january 6th. how do you view this messaging? from a security standpoint. >> thank you for having me, alex. i view this as a tremendous problem.

basically, he is encouraging folks to take action if their candidates get again, don't win his public offices. this is hugely problematic, because as we saw, that is precisely what happened. and he is really undermining the authority of the premier law enforcement authority in this country. i was an fbi agent and i can guarantee you that every i was dotted in every t was crossed before these search warrants were served at mar-a-lago. and what happened on 16 was an act of domestic terrorism. why it's not talked about moore's unbeknownst to me. but really, that's what he is encouraging folks to do. commit violent acts against this country. a furtherance of political and ideological goals. that is hugely problematic. >> so here's a question, luke. is it important to track trump's rhetoric surrounding the investigations into his conduct? is this just a former president that is airing his grievances, or do these speeches have

broader implications? >> his rhetoric does have a broad >> we see the time and again. if you talk with analyst for the fbi or the department of homeland security, they will tell you that there is often a relation, a direct relation between a rise in threats between law enforcement or members of congress after donald trump riles up his far-right supporters. and it's not just donald trump here, sometimes it is his surrogates, as well. and we have seen, ever since he started tagging the fbi and justice department after mar-a-lago, arising threats. we've seen some people go out and commit acts of violence against law enforcement. so there is a real world implications to his rhetoric that he -- >> in fact, luke, your

colleagues at the new york times reported yesterday his continued interest in cutting a deal with the national archives. this was back in december. and the risky legal moves that he has taken. i want to remind viewers, nbc news has yet to confirm that report. but what stood out to you in that reporting? >> a number of things. one, it is a window into donald trump's mindset. so he knows he has these documents at mar-a-lago. he knows he's not supposed to have them and they belong with national archives. and so he tries to come up with some deal that he can cut where he can get some information. he thinks this will vindicate him in some way. but there are a number of other things in that piece. one, it became very clear that donald trump misled his lawyers to essentially lie to the archives and the justice department, and say that they were just newspaper clippings, and things like that in these vote boxes. and not actually presidential

records or classified material. he actually told some of his aides it was just dirty laundry in these boxes. so it was donald trump directly going in and looking at the boxes, and then misleading his own lawyers, who misled law enforcement. i think this reporting is very important for tying donald trump directly to the misstatements that were made federal officials. >> you know the thing with that reporting as you think about the lawyers, what do they do? did they just take what he said is being truth of that verifying it? have they got to verify it and look at those boxes themselves? they are getting eyes on things that are not supposed to be seen by the average person. that's a whole another kettle of fish to open up there. >> that's right. and that was a problem for the trump legal team is they did necessarily have the clearances to look at some of this material. it was really only donald trump you could look through until he got some people who had clearances who could then go and assist with that.

>> tracey, we have the times reporting that the former president was determined to show that he had been wronged by the fbi investigation in 2016. he still hasn't given that one up. and he considered handing over boxes of records here taken from the white house. that would be an exchange for the sensitive documents he thought would prove his theory that the fbi's investigation was all a hoax. again, nbc news hasn't independently confirmed this and is reaching out to the former presidents legal team for comment on it. but what do you make of the trump team even considering these negotiating tactics? >> i understand, we have to look at everything from a legal perspective. that is what is prosecutable. but the reality is, we have to think about the fact that i am certain, and this is just my hypothesis, that trump either make copies of some of this, digital copies, hard copies, whatever. and he perhaps sold it to other organizations, other countries, kind of is a tit-for-tat. so yes, negotiations, fine.

i am not for those, necessarily. but there is sort of this overarching theme of really, we have to base the credibility of our intelligence services overseas, it is compromised. because of what trump has done with these documents. and i personally think that if we investigate this more, and find out really what he has done, that's what's most important to me. what is he done with these documents? i really think that if they do a deal with him now, his repercussions for that are going to be significantly lower than what they would be if we did a full investigation into this. >> those are very powerful statements you have made, and i want to reiterate that is a hypothesis by you and you alone. i get it, it is not one that is exclusive to you, we've heard that before. but tracey, sources confirmed to nbc news yesterday to the top doj counter intelligence official has in fact contacted trump's attorneys, letting them know they do not believe the trump team is handed over all

materials. so how concerning is it to you that there still could be government documents out there, and where is the question? >> it's deeply concerning to me. i have always suspected that they were probably were more. mar-a-lago was the only place where they were kept, i would imagine. trump tower would be one location. we are basically giving him a head start now with the reporting that it is believed he had them. so i think that is also concerning. my guess would be, and, again hypothesis only, that they are currently working on getting search warrants for some of his facilities. >> we will see how this plays out. luke, last question to you here on the 16 committee, which is expected to hold the hearing on thursday. is there an agreement among committee members of this is indeed the final hearing? >> your first question, i've been told there will be some significant information

revealed, some surprises that we don't know about. so obviously, i'm looking out for that. i'm also told there are a couple of strategic goals here. one is to refocus the countries intention on what donald trump did in trying to overturn the 2020 election. and then showing the continuing threat to american democracy as election denialism spreads out. but in terms of this being the last hearing, several of the democrats on the committee have told us that it likely will be. but the vice chair, who is very involved in the details and the direction of the committee has promised at least one more additional hearing. so i don't know if that will be after the midterms, we don't do food we really see that this may not be the last hearing. >> liz cheney is saying, it's probably true. think about so much, luke and

tracy, we appreciate time on the sunday. in the meantime, let's head to the economy and the key inflation indicator is expected this week. thursday, it is the latest data on consumer prices. that number could show an 8% hike year over year. on wednesday, the federal reserve meets. wall street will be watching for any hint on future rate hike plans. let's go to nbc's scott cohn. he's joining us from santa cruz, california. with high gas prices in california there, my friend. quickly rising, in fact, after opec announced its biggest output cut since 2020. how is that impacting inflation, and what have we seen from the labor market? we've got a lot on your plate, take it away. >> the last thing we need is higher oil prices and higher gas prices. it just hit three 91 a gallon nationally, that's the average, up ten cents for a week ago. we'd love that in california,

where the average price is 6:33 a gallon, which is really rough in a place like santa cruz, which is heavily dependent on tourism. and then there is the issue of the labor market. let's look again at the figures we got on friday for the labor department, showing 263,000 jobs added in september. the unemployment rate, three and a half percent. in general terms, that would sound like a great report. but average our hourly earnings up from a year ago. inflation is up 8%, people aren't making ends meet. and you look at the job growth a number of areas, yeah, we have 83,000 jobs in leisure and hospitality. but we are not near where we need to be. so there is still a labor shortage in places like public education, where were down 29,000 jobs from one year ago. the antidote to that is to raise interest rates. the federal reserve is likely to add another three quarters of a point to its key interest rate when it meets next month. take a look at ten year treasury note. that is a good bellwether for

the overall interest rates, a lot of things like mortgages are tied to that. so companies are already starting to scale back, worried about economic slowdown. walmart sees hiring, a third of what it was a year ago. and economists are increasingly saying that it does look like before the end of the year, we will be in a recession. the good news, it may be a mild recession, things could be on the upswing. possibly as soon as the second half of next year. >> i'm anticipating inflation on the decline, and actually, the economy growing again. so i guess i'm suggesting that the individual on the street should be thinking about this, weathering the storm. you don't have to stop living your life, but you should be somewhat careful about living your life in terms of financially careful. >> he says basically pull back

a little bit for a while. maybe delay major purchases as we get through this storm. possibly by the end of next year, if all of this works, we could be seeing a much better economy. alex? >> can i tell you, filling up my son's car in l.a. earlier this week, that filled like a major purchase. it was like 130 bucks. everything was $7 and change across the board, from regular to super. i was stunned in l.a.. anyway, thanks for the update from santa cruz, my friend. we appreciate that. signs of dissent over the war in ukraine. i'm going to talk with one of the writers behind this article on a major disagreement within vladimir putin's inner circle. and if it means anything will change for the russian leader. ♪ um, she's eating the rocket. ♪ lunchables! built to be eaten. ♪ (vo the new iphone 14 pro is here. and right now business owners can get it on us at t-mobile. lunchables! built to be eaten.

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is in delaware where the president is spending his weekend. we welcome you, what are we hearing from the white house today but where we stand with russia? are they offering any specifics? >> white house officials, ever since biden made those remarks as that fund-raiser, have been trying to lower the temperature from what he said. saying there is no new u.s. intelligence or information that prompted biden to say that. nothing that has led the u.s. to believe that anything is imminent. nor is there any reason for the u.s. to change its own nuclear posture or preparation level. but this morning, we heard from a white house national security council spokesman, john kirby, on msnbc. where he put president biden's comments in a slightly different light. saying that when biden was trying to get across as he raised the specter of nuclear armageddon was simply how high the stakes are. take a listen. >> it's serious.

mr. putin has been using this kind of rhetoric since almost the beginning of the invasion, jonathan. but certainly, he's been doing it a lot more recently. and when you couple that with the struggles he is having on the battlefield, the fact that he is trying to call up all these thousands and thousands of reservists, the fact that he is now claiming political annexation over four o blasts in ukraine, which are not going to be recognized. all of that makes you aware that the stakes are high right now. and that is what the president was speaking to. we have to take that rhetoric seriously, it would be irresponsible if we didn't. >> speaking of irresponsible, we are starting to hear from some republicans who are criticizing president biden sharply for the way that he spoke loosely about the risk of a situation like the cuban missile crisis. a former secretary of state, mike pompeo, was on television this morning saying that president biden's comments were reckless and these kinds of conversations about russia's nuclear capability should be

taking place behind closed doors, not with reporters present where they can really spark fears of an escalation. the one thing the white house does not want to talk at all about this week, alex, is the strike on the bridge in crimea. saying that the white house is nothing to add to that -- they are trying to avoid play into any notion that this might have been a ukrainian strike, they want to leave all kinds of strategic ambiguity around who is behind that and what happened there. they try to avoid any further escalation, even though clearly this is a major strategic victory for the ukrainian side in this war. >> clearly we will let investigation play out. thank you. >> joining me now, greg miller with the washington post. now based in london.

first, ever since that bridge explosion, who might have been responsible? could it have been a suicide bomber? are you hearing anything from your perch in london today? >> no, not any clarity yet on this attack. i would just note that the ukrainians have carried out numerous attacks behind russian lines in recent months and have shown their capability to orchestrate quite sophisticated and difficult operations like this. it is conceivable that it is within the ukrainians capability, for sure. >> okay. president biden's reference to armageddon their, pretty much raised global alarm. lots of commentary on it. what can you tell us from your reporting? our u.s. and nato leaders at all -- if so, how might they respond?

>> i think absolutely, they are gaming out those kinds of scenarios. and as your correspondent pointed out a couple moments ago, russia's moves in terms of the annexation's, the illegal annexation of territory in ukraine are largely what is -- russia is claiming this territory as its own, and therefore also, simultaneously, claiming the right to defend it as if it were russia's homeland or mainland. so that is part of what is raising these concerns. i will tell you that i have interviewed at least a half a dozen very senior intelligence officials across europe, who are consistent with what we hear from officials in the knighted states. they are very concerned about it, but they see no indication yet of any preparations or moves by russia to activate or deploy nuclear weapons. >> okay, let's get to what i am very happy to have you talk about. because you are the lead writer on this report. the u.s. intelligence picked up

signs that a member of putin's inner circle, directly confronted him over the handling of the war in ukraine. first of all, how unusual is this and how are your sources characterizing what happened? today get heated what do you know? >> i think that for starters, it's extremely unusual and it is becoming even more unusual the deeper the vladimir putin has gotten into his 22 years running russia. he became increasingly isolated during covid, we saw pictures of him meeting across long tables with very senior advisers. this is not a guy who is wanted to meet with many people over the past few years, and a guy who does not want ben is brought to him. it took extraordinary -- it was a move of extraordinary risk for this individual to go to him, to basically say this a war is not working like you said it would. and i think that is an indication that this

interlocutor had some stature with putin. probably someone who has known him for a long time and feels safe having a conversation like this with him. most of the senior officials in russia's national security council would not. >> i am going to get to the who to that point, but again, you bring up this point. the isolation being more so than ever. i'm going to highlight this quote from your article, a russian official says this. and all these months, we have heard that all half of the world is on our side, but neither modi nor she are now supporting this. how important is this distancing by the indian chinese leaders? can that lead putin to dial back his ambitions in ukraine? >> yeah, i think that matters a lot for putin because russia has been confronting a future, if not an existence already as a pariah state. at the outset of the war, russia sought to illicit better

relations with china and india as a way to offset the condemnations and the sanctions imposed by the west. so i think that is also an indication that the chinese and indian leaders are also quite worried about how this is going. when you thought this was going to last weeks, we are now entering our eighth month with no end in sight. that's not something that will please leaders for those countries. >> picking up another point you made, has people with him glad vladimir putin surrounds himself. one line here reads that his group of intimate circle is composed primarily of those folks from his days serving as a kgb officer, and those that he met well deputy to the mayor of st. petersburg. we have an associate with vladimir putin. these were in the 1990s, after the collapse of the soviet union. what does that say about not

only the advice he gets, but they tenor of his mentality about the time in which he resides. >> i think it underscores the high degree of paranoia, and a level of paranoia that many analysts think has only increased and intensified. he really only trusts a very small number of people. he runs one of the largest countries in the world, with one of the largest militaries. and the number of people who have his ear, who is council he is willing to even consider is really extraordinarily small. that is quite risky. i will say one other thing, the members of this inner circle around him are so linked to him that they also have a great deal invested in this conflict. because if vladimir putin is overthrown or leaves office, not on his own terms, that will

probably wash away many of them. so he does have this loyalty of those around him, if only because they fear the chaos that might be unleashed if he is gone or if putin and his style of governing is gone. >> that's an extraordinary article. greg miller, thank you for joining us. a lot of people are interested in this and should look at even read it. thanks. my next guest traveled the country, speaking to trump supporters about the upcoming midterms. next most surprising thing she heard. it also happens to be alarming. tible subs. the most epic sandwich roster ever created. ♪♪ it's subway's biggest refresh yet!

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a critical senate race. joining me now is nbc's allie raffa in atlanta, for us. ali, welcome. tell us who is coming to georgia, and what you are hearing from the walker campaign. >> yeah, alex. well, the walker campaign hasn't said much of anything since this most recent a wave of allegations. but despite this along a week of october surprises against walker in the form of these allegations, republicans are still rushing to his defense. we saw this commitment by the national republican senatorial committee earlier this week to continue supporting walker in the form of campaign donations, these in-person campaign visits by prominent congressional republicans. and now we are seeing that play out on the campaign trail. we know that in our sec chairman, senator rick scott, as well as arkansas senator tom cotton will be here in georgia, campaigning for walker on tuesday. rick scott staying in a statement, i am on herschel's

team. they picked the wrong georgian to mess with. i'm proud to stand with herschel walker. also, on me to suppress this morning, representative jon bacon of nebraska came to walker's defense. but also had something else to say. when admitting to this controversy, saying it is better to be candid and acknowledge the presence of all of these allegations. that may be better than hoping it states way. take a listen. >> i think people make mistakes, and if people acknowledge them and ask forgiveness, none of this are perfect. i'm not a flawless person, i have made mistakes in life. and herschel has, to, we all have. i think it's better to be honest. >> and alex, that really tracks with what we are hearing from republican voters here on the ground in georgia. they are saying that this is in herschel walker's past, the

past should stay in the past. and they say this is a distraction from issues they care about. issues like inflation and the economy, high gas prices, issues they want to take center stage at this debate between walker and senator raphael warnock on friday. >> we will look forward to coverage of that. thank you, ali. congresswoman liz cheney is keeping her word and speaking out against election deniers running for office. cheney sent a strong warning to arizona voters both republican running for governor, that being keri lake. and secretary of state nominee, marc mitchell. calling both threats to democracy. lake has repeatedly said the 2020 election was stolen, a notion that she doubled down on during a conversation with katty kay in a new bbc documentary, titled trump, the come back. >> do you really believe the 2020 election was stolen? >> yes, absolutely. i'm not the only one who believes it. the majority of americans believe it. unfortunately, the media refuses to cover it.

we have 1 million ways to cheat in the used in each and every one of them. >> katty kay is joining me right now. she is a u.s. special correspondent for bbc studios. also an msnbc contributor, and a good friend. let me say, i don't think she's right in saying majority of americans believe that. however, let's talk about what you did, which was traveled cross the country. you spoke with trump supporters ahead of the midterms. give me a sense of the most surprising thing in, caddie, what you heard during those conversations. did anything shock you? >> yeah. i have covered so many american elections now, but i have to say, alex, i've never heard the amount of talk of violence that i heard from both sides. you heard people on the republican side saying that if republicans lost the midterm election, they said they would take up arms to fight. you also heard democrats talk about how afraid they were of political violence in this country. i find it hard to imagine a second american civil war.

i don't know how you feel about this. maybe it's a failure of imagination on my part. but we did all watch january the 6th, and we know that violence is quite possible in this country. there are an awful lot of arms out there. and i was just struck by the number of people i interviewed, as they travel through arizona, wyoming, georgia, philadelphia, pennsylvania, during the course of a whole month on the road. how many people raised the prospect of violence in the country. >> that is very scary. in fact, if you ask me, i tend to be an optimist and i look at that which we've accomplished as a country over these 200 some odd years. i think, no, we can't go back there again. and yet, i am not sure of it anymore. we'll just say that. there was this moment in the documentary, kathy, murray spoke with the couple in the trump merchandise shop to talk about a feelings going to the midterms. let's play part of that for the viewers. here it is. >> if it gets stolen again, my

confidence in the whole system is going to erode. and then that leads to trouble. i don't want to see it, i know what war becomes, we'll find out. >> if it happens, i will take up arms, absolutely. and if we have to do that in order to save our country, we will. >> can you quantify, give me a percentage of folks who echo the sentiments? saying they will take up arms. >> it wasn't everybody i spoke to, but it was -- carroll and steve you saw there, who are in their late 60s, early 70s, they are not young hotheads. these were not young men in their twenties who were testosterone fueled and wanting to rush the barricades because of the way they are. this is a couple who run the store who have thought about this carefully. they've even thought about how it would unfold. it would start in small communities and they would spread from town to town, and then from state to state. this is a conversation they have had. they did say they thought it was going to be democrats who

would fire the first shot, which i don't think makes logical sense because the idea that the civil war would only happen for republican sake if republicans lose. they were not alone amongst the people i spoke to. i think one of the things that is perhaps also interesting, partly this could be what triggers donald trump to run or not to run. but it's also that you've got so many people around the country who could be put in positions of power who could change the way elections are held. and then you could end up with a situation in which democrats no longer believe that the system is true and fair. if you have marc flinch or, keri lake, the candidates that we saw earlier, winning in arizona, they could potentially change the way that the voting is held and the voting is counted, in such a way that makes it very difficult for democrats to win. and then where do we end up? we end up with republicans saying they don't trust the system if they lose, democrats saying they don't trust the

system if they lose. and at that point, the democratic experiment that america has been in philosophy and 50 years starts to feel very fragile. >> absolutely. that's where the optimism begins to unravel. let's talk about your conversation with pastor jamaal bryant. this was in georgia. take a listen, it's on voting and the rights of those who vote. here it is. >> what is taking place right now, to restrict voting, is not because of voter fraud. it is because of voter turnout. so this feels like the old georgia, not the george of 2022. >> the distrust you are talking about, is it more prevalent among republicans or democrats, when it comes to voting rights? >> i think when it comes to voting rights, there is more distrust among democrats. in particularly, in a state like georgia, where they feel that the rules have been already changed in such a way that it's going to make it harder for minorities to cast their ballots.

it's been interesting spinning today with pastor bryant, and his church just outside atlanta. he is driving the message in his sermons, and it was part sermon, parts help advice. but a lot of it was, you have to get out and vote. the only way the democrats feel they can over come the restrictions are being put into place is to give very large numbers of people to the ballot so that they cannot be a margin of error situation that makes it easier for one side or the other to say, this election is out, they want big victories. that is what they say will make sure there isn't a recount or suspicion, or any conspiracies about elections. >> sentiments edge. all right, kathy kay, the new bbc documentary, trump, the comeback. thank you very much. he wrote speeches for president obama for more than a decade. my next guest will tell us that winning message for democrats with wasn't one month before the midterms.

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politics to come to republicans taking up control of the senate after the midterms, even if democrats hold the line in georgia. a similar picture is emerging in the house, republicans no favor to pick up 220 seats, to democrats 180, with 35 seats as toss-ups. joining me now, cody keenan, former white house director of speech writing for president barack obama. his new book is grace. president obama in ten days in the battle for america. thank you for joining me. look, almost 14 years writing for barack obama. so clearly, you are a master at messaging. why do you think democrats are falling short? where are they succeeding as we push these midterms? >> on the contrary, i think joe biden is trying to something he couldn't in 2010. he successfully made this election a choice, rather than a referendum. and the choice is, who is

really fighting for me? who cares about the people like me? is it the people who spent last year criminalizing abortion? for us democrats who fought to lower energy prices, lower drug costs, focus on jobs and inflation. and let people marry who they want to start families when they want. >> cody, i hear you, and i completely agree with you. that said, what is it about that messaging that does not seem to be getting through, certainly two pollsters, when you see who is likely to win the election? as of now, things could change, 30 days can be a long time. but you note i'm saying. why is that message not getting through? >> the one thing republicans are always really good at, especially in midterm elections, is trying to scare everybody. run a crime, run on immigration, it's a broken record every time. the we don't have any way to help, they don't offer anything. and one of the things it has been most exciting about this book is people reach out and say, you know what? i am going to go register some voters and knock on some doors.

>> so what does that leave the white house able to do with her messaging? what is your view of that? are they doing enough to sell voters on their accomplishments that you so capably listed there? >> i think they are. and it's always difficult. even in 2010, when we got slapped in the midterms, it is just difficult. it's always hard to break through when it comes to vocal races. i think the democrats i've been watching are sticking to that messaging in an important way. and what makes these midterms so important, in fact the 2014 midterms when the democrats lost the senate, that's what led mitch mcconnell to block president obama from putting merrick arnold and on the supreme court. it opened up president trump which led to the dobbs decision. >> and doing that months and months and months in advance is really outrageous. that said, is joe biden using the bully pulpit of the presidency as well as barack obama did? >> yeah, i think he is. and i think he was very smart when he went out and gave that

speech in the late summer, pointing out moderate republicans and politicians, and showing they are the ones who are actively -- they are the ones trying to place people in different states overturn only last election with the next one. he set that tone, he's the one that -- >> here is something i want to ask you about that is totally an insider question. the remark that caught global attention, president biden's use of the word armageddon when he talked about the risk attached to russian threats of nuclear escalation in ukraine. here is a question. how likely is it biden's remark was strategic, or purposeful? and if so, what level of deliberation would it take in place beforehand? how can you put ideas into a president's mind, saying we know you're going to talk about this. can you put this word out there? does that ever happen? >> sure. and i don't know what went on behind the scenes there, but they've been talking about this for sometime. what i will say is, i think it's better that they are

focused on this than not. >> okay. what about president biden? we will get to obama. because he pledged to do everything he could to bring the country together. that is just like what president obama did. give me your assessment of his decision to address the mega republicans directly. is there any way to balance political unity and threats to democracy? >> i saw the last segment with kathy. this is a new. it has happened in our history, but it's relatively new. and this is where our presidents words really matter. barack obama went out of his way to not just preaching unity, but to use words in a way the profitable together. to chase our better angels. president trump said the opposite, he has unleashed this on the country. so if you look back on the speech that president biden gave over the summer, he was very careful not to paint all

republicans with a broad brush. i think that was a smart strategy, trying to convince them. there's a lot of republicans out there who are turned off by this. not just liz cheney, but further on down. and for him to say listen, you don't have to vote for this and you don't have to vote for people who are anti democratic. he gave people the permission structure to do that. and i don't think that is -- he has had more bipartisan pieces of legislation and president obama did this time in his term. >> that's a fact. so relative to the new book, i want to get one more question in here on that. is president obama's eulogy for the pastures killed in 2015 -- the president was set an impossible task, bringing the country together after this murder of nine people. here is what happened, it was amazing listening to say that. listen, everyone. >> ♪ ♪ ♪

[applause] >> that is extraordinary. but sometimes, cody, even the best written speech will not have the right tone. does biden have obama's delivery potential? >> sure. they are different, every speaker is different. president obama has strengths and president biden has strengths. hopefully he's not in a position where he has to give another eulogy like that. but president biden has a way of reaching americans at a visceral level. he has lived a life and i always found him to have a very

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