terrible candidates it could actually tear our democracy apart. then, the shameful gop attempt to take credit for one of president biden's biggest achievements. and the grass is greener. the historic presidential not spent on marijuana at that is changing thousands of lives for the better. i am ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. t's get started. all, right tonight we want to begin with a lesson. and, bear with me here for a second. because, herschel walker, for all of his faults as a senate candidate and georgia, he is actually taught us something important. now, i know it's hard to believe that we can learn anything from herschel walker at this point. but he has helped us distill a trend that is growing clear for decades among the gop. for republicans, winning is the only thing.

that is the blunt and ambiguous message conservatives have conveyed to the american people as they close ranks around the man who is alleged life choices so fundamentally contradicting the values that they report to stand for. it actually boggles the mind. the most recent development, the new york times, reporting that the same woman who alleged, herschel walker paid for her abortion in 2009 also alleged that walker urged her to terminate a second pregnancy two years ago. or two years later, excuse. me herschel walker has denied those allegations. saying, he has never paid for or pressured a woman to have an abortion. this october, as a, surprise which at one point would've ended other candidates chances just studded seem to not matter to the right-wing. we are full speed ahead in georgia, so the president of mitch mcconnell center leadership fund super pac. we have seen this movie before said christian coalition, leader ralph reid. this goes beyond hypocrisy.

it wouldn't be so outrageous if these people were just hypocrites. it is just that these people have completely executed they're supposed morals. and all of their values, all in an effort to simply win and control power. i want you to listen to far-right antiabortion, dana lashed this week. >> so, does this change anything? >>, i'm a do you want my opinion, are you listening? not a damn thing. so, i don't care if herschel walker paid to import endangered baby eagles. i want control of the senate. >> the virtues of the gop in 2022. look, back in 1990, to president, george h. w. bush, not knowing the price of a gallon of milk. almost ended his reelection campaign. some republicans, literally considered, it disqualifying. until most charming in retrospect, isn't it? one, time in a grand ole party

had some, some standards. but it is more than electing bad candidates just because there are republicans. what's even more frightening than entire party losing their moral compass is that that same party is now okay with rigging elections and threatening election workers and voters all in the name of winning. the majority of republican nominees on the ballot, this november, for the house, the senate and key statewide offices. to 199 in all have denied a question the outcome of the last presidential election. as tim alberta writes in the atlantic, the great threat is no longer machines malfunctioning or ballots being spoiled. it is the actual theft of the election. that is where we are in america today. and, just last night, we heard the clear threat yet on this front during a trump rally. jim march, and the republican candidate for secretary of state in nevada, openly in front of the world to see admitting that he wanted to

help steal the election for donald trump. >> president trump and i lost an election of 2020 because of a rigged election. when my coalition of secretary of state candidates around the country get elected we are going to fix the whole country. and, president trump is going to be president again. at 2024. >> substitute the word fixed for it. because that is what he is going to do if he gets in power. republicans will not do anything to learn. even kill our democracy. let's get into all of this with my sunday night panel, matthew dowd, former chief strategist for the bush cheney 2002 presidential campaign. he is an msnbc political analyst. maria teraesa kumar president and ceo of voto latino an msnbc contributor. and josh johnson, standup comedian and writer on the daily show with trevor noah. it is great to have all three of you with. us matthew, i'd like to start with. you talk to us about this win at all costs approach to the

candidates. am i wrong in my assessment that republicans will do anything to win? i mean, bush 41 was ambassador not knowing the price of. milk, and now, you have ellen juggles that are all in on herschel walker, despite these abortion allegations. >> you are not wrong. i, mean i think that it's become a complete and to justify the means party. i, mean in the end, it is full power. and the means are, whatever it takes, no matter the corruption of a candidate. no matter the incompetency of the candidate. no matter the craziness of a candidate. if the path to power goes through that crazy candidate. or that corrupt candidate. then that is okay. and, it seems acceptable. i mean, there's the unicorns out there speaking out against it like liz cheney and a couple of others. but, this is a wave of the republican party who has decided the power means everything. and, as you were leading up to this, i was, thinking it wasn't too long ago that william bennett, a republican referred to him and wrote a book of

virtues. the book of riches, which they have now completely abandon. all of those virtues have integrity honesty caring and compassion. all of those things they have decided the ends completely justified the means. maria, nbc news has confirmed that tom cotton rick scott scott of course being notably the chair of the center republican campaign arm they are going to campaign with herschel walker this week. can you explain this continued support? i, mean if you want herschel walker to, winds but you don't want to be associated with you just don't say anything. he's running his race, i'm doing my thing down here in florida and i'm not gonna lend my name a credibility to this. guy but the fact that they are only going this week with all of the revelations last week to going campaign and stand next to him, that has got to say something. >> well, it says that they are

the party of trump. none of them stood up what trump was been accused of many similar things. even the misdirection that we had on january six. and that is the danger that we are. and we have a party that is no longer playing in the democratic sandbox. i, mean the little democracy. not the party. and, as a result, we, are right, now seeing the erosion of democratic norms coming from within a party. and in, there lies the. rod, and we need more people like liz cheney speaking on their behalf. on the republicans be. out because there are moderate republicans. and there are independents who recognize that the republican party is now standing for. if not what we are going to see is sadly a demise that is going to be closer and closer to had talked a. c and none of us can support. that i often say that if you could ask any immigrant what a deteriorating democracy looks, like they will say that that is what we have led and that is what we're starting to witness here. and it is one of the reasons why we need to make sure that the substantive stuff of the january six committee actually

sticks. we need merrick garland to come out from the justice department and that he tries -- with all the issues that they found so far. because otherwise, the -- is not gonna. big >> josh, what do you think democrats should do here? i mean what is the page, if you will that they can use from the gop playbook on this? >> i mean i don't know so much about a page specifically. i think that outright lies have to start mattering again. i mean, it's one thing if someone lies. but it's another thing if the lie leads to ally, leads to ally, leads to ally. because first i would say i don't know who this. it is and then herschel walker i will give it to him that he's one of the worst lawyers that i've ever watched in politics. this is like out of a movie. because he says i don't know who this is. and then it's like it's actually the mother of one of your children. so i don't know if that means that -- >> it's a comedy sketch that is as funny. i mean i know it's a serious subject. but the fact that as you are

saying the fact that he would deny it and then turn around and be like well it's actually the mother of one of your kids allegedly. >> you could not know this person more. you know them publicly. there is no other way that you can know the more than the fact that they are the mother of the kids. and the fact that these lies topple on top of each other and still don't seem to matter at all. it is as if someone, no matter who you are i don't care who you vote for no one who last for you all the time will start telling you the truth when they are in power. that's just not gonna happen. that's not how people. work that's not how systems are for instance when i was in high school i want to be treasure. but i can't count. i'm not gonna do. that i'm just not, right? i was not gonna be bowl to magically count as soon as i won treasure, okay? they made the right decision. they picked somebody else. >> yes i think exhibit a would be donald trump. the guy lied his way through life and then when he got into office nothing changed about what he was doing. matthew let's talk about the

election rigging and being denied. because this obviously is a next essential threat to our democracy and our country. i mean this is far worse than just supporting a ban. this is potentially killing our democracy. >> yes it is lethal to our democracy. if this is allowed to occur we don't have a democracy anymore. if these people went secretary of state and attorney general and government in some instances like pennsylvania who get to a point to secretary of state we don't have a democracy if they can decide what the will of the people's no matter what the voters see in the course of this. i think it's incredible -- incredible and ruffalo tory in where we are today. and to me this isn't fundamentally about what trump says and the lies he tells in the crazy herschel walker. all of which is. but this is about what it reveals about the republican to vote in the republican party. donald trump is the great reveal. or he is not the great cause. he's the great reveal are about notice become of the republican party. and to me too often on our news

coverage we focus like in the nfl on the running backs on on the quarterbacks. but who is going to protect that democracy? they're the secretary of state. and who have protected by the secretary of state. and the attorney general. they are the left tackles of democracy. they protect a blind side of our democracy. and without them there is no way that we can win. and there is no way that we have a democracy. even though this experiment has lasted 240 plus years. we don't have a democracy anymore at the will of the people doesn't matter. >> maria really quickly. have you ever i mean do you remember or recall a time where government has faced -- our democracy has faced such a double that? you have very dangerous supreme court decisions that are pending. and we have talked about them on the show. and then you have these candidates that are running that our election denying election rigging candidates. it's almost like we're being switched from both. and >> yes well what are you seeing's strategy at the last

45 years of the republican party to erode our norms so that they can maintain powers. the fact that we have a supreme makeup as it. is it didn't happen overnight. the fact that we have election deniers, now it didn't happen overnight. i often joke. i am on this task force called the election crisis task or so nobody else has to be. and basically all we do is look at the erosion of our democratic norms. but here's the thing. it was for the very first, time the carter center came and did election pull watching. the united states for the first time in a 30-year history in 2020. that's to say it all we are in a sole boil. and unless the american people sit up and say and demand their free election that means yes voting. but it also means voting for the right people. it also means protesting. then the republicans are not gonna find a backbone to do the writing. >> all right panel stick. around the have a lot more to discuss. ahead republicans are going talks of civil war. but first richard louis is here with the headlines. he richard! >> hey mitt, good to see, a russian president, vladimir

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borders of the south, it. least it may not come as a surprise, after trump in 2017 lamented the removal of confederate statues in the wake of the charlie to rally of white supremacists. graham, right support for confederate symbols and monuments know exists across the country following the lines of race, religion, and education rather than geography. this is one of many ways in which the south is no longer simply a region. but rather certain version of it has become an identity shared among right rural conservative americans from coast to coast. more than any affinity for the confederacy, this talk of civil war seems to be shared by those who embrace and promote a specific type of political violence. this, week federal prosecutors showed a -- encrypted message from stewart rhodes, he's the founder of the oath keepers. which is an armed extremist group. he sent this to his lieutenant, two days after the 2020 presidential election. saying, in part, quote we

aren't getting through this without a civil war. rhodes is the government key target in the massive historic capital riot prosecution that is resulted in more than 870 arrests. those are for their alleged oath keepers are the first january six defendants disdain on trial for seditious conspiracy. a rare civil war era charge that cars up for up to 20 years behind bars. let's bring in our sunday night panel back into the conversation, matthew dowd, your reaction to this growing embrace of civil war rhetoric among the right, it seems that they are only seeing this illusion in this country to either complete control of power or through civil war. . well, i think that we've also seen a reflect in how the military of these militias that a shown, one, tried to kidnap the governor of michigan and they shop with guns and secretary of state houses that inning them with guns. with the biggest in america today, it is not al-qaeda or

radical islam or something internationally. it is white nationalism, which is represented by this moment with the confederate dragon america, white nationalism is the greatest violent vented america today. and this concerns me because there is 400 million guns in america today. 400 million guns. and there is, many many people, about eight or 10% of the population in united states that each have more than 40 guns. each person has more than 40 guns in this. and, so i think it's incredible threat. -- which i think it as it has made this that put high on this list. but we should be expanding the time that the justice department and all of that to the threat that it is not only inwards that people are sharing on the sites of social media, but actions that are actually following that we have seen in the course of this. it is incredibly concerning. i don't think we're gonna end up in a civil war.

but i wouldn't be surprised if we are faced with the threat of roving militias. which have been in the aftermath of the civil war. what we call the ku klux klan in the south. but now, the ku klux klan in the south has expanded into every state, midwestern state northeastern states. and so i don't think it's a form of civil war with battlefields. but we can certainly for east armed militias around the country. which we have already seen. >> maria, how do we, as a society, you know, combat this civil war talk. or can we at this point? >> well i think that it's a recognition. under president obama they recognize his administration. that it was white supremacy within the united states that was arming his threat. and as a result it created collaboration. come in donald trump, and he dismantled the inter agency cooperation. because it almost seemed like he didn't seem to care. and this is a result of that. so it's funny that he will

assist because not just the political sub how do you do the -- , then when they actually do something that is about of the law, the thought of a democracy through the book at them and that's what we're starting to see some of the results of the individuals that actually participate in the january six hearings. but then, we also have to make sure that we are protecting the communities that they're harming, but they are targeting. these roaming malicious that matt is talking about exist right now on the border throughout arizona and throughout texas and we talk to marginalize that happen to be bound and they feel the brunt of it. and so we have to make sure that we are actually creating spaces where people are basically becoming vigilantes across the border because they're saying that these individuals a pair of documents are all the sudden harming -- so they diminish it but at the same time having actual systems

in place so that they can prevent them from -- this idea of a civil war, i think it's nonsense, but i do think that it creates a difficulty for people of color in particular. where they feel unsafe because all of a sudden they have a target over the back for being a person of color in this country. >> josh, what do you make of how conservatives across america have seen confederate symbols. how much is this because of trump and the gop did not some of this kind of backlash in our society towards the symbol of hate that were all around the country? >> i mean i think that people will see just like for. the scene and i think that they see the support. and so they go with. it also think that everyone on the panel i am not overly concerned about an actual civil war with battlefields or anything like. that especially because these are the same people that want to ban the books about the civil war so they won't even really be able to build up on their history or learn from any mistakes. they're gonna have to start from scratch and they won't see

the spoiler alert that the civil war was lost but the south and by the people who supported the confederate side. it is all a bit as concerning as it is silly to embrace. because so much of what these people are worried about all comes back the following. essentially, the money and the pockets of the people who pretend to be on their side and show off all of the sort of ideas of blame are just an idea of how to fix the problem in immigrants, and people taking the -- woman automation is coming. and things that are just lies, you know? >> yes, i know. definitely. i think the lies are -- we have a misinformation pandemic in this country given the way lives are spreading. panel, stick around. we've got a lot more to discuss. up next, republicans. and you may be shocked to hear this. they are trying to take credit for legislation that democrats

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from the midterms, and republicans are finally realizing that it is not smart to campaign against president biden's popular policies. this, week reading from the cnn report, the president called out members of the gop who voted against the infrastructure bill and then had the audacity for trying to take credit for it. >> going down the list, kentucky representative and the bar, the biggest socialist agenda, three different projects. studying the importance of safety, and growth in his district. grandpa, we go down the, let's look it up. >> all, right i'm back with my sunday night palette -- panel to discuss this. josh, are you surprised? i, mean can you really be surprised? republicans taking credit for something they voted against. and then having the audacity to ask for money from the very

legislation they opposed. >> no, man. i feel like this is the thing that happens sometimes. and i have been guilty as well okay. there have been times where i have been at a wedding, right. and i forgot to get a gift. and i see a gift already there with no name tag and i say, that once for me. all right. i love you guys. and, whatever is in there is a symbol of my love. okay. i think that that is just part of how people are going to trying to work politics and trying to lean on people short memories. they're gonna try and lean on people not being right up on what exactly went down. they know that the general public isn't looking up voting records for every candidate. or just every city senator. so, then they just lean into it, you know. >> maria, why are democrats making a bigger deal about this. i, mean why is it that we're finding out about this from a campaign stop, if you will. it's not a campaign stop but it was during an event in upstate new york, i, believe the president was promoting his

legislative agenda. but to hang about it from the president. and not a full court press from the democrats to sheen these republicans, who, for months, talked down about the legislation. trying to block, it saying it was bad for our country. and, then you find out about it this way. if i were the democrats. i would be fanning out in every single congressional dick strict. there would be an empty share of the person who did not vote for it and, say we're opening up a cutting ribbon for the wrote that, so and so, it did not actually vote. four and gushing them. this is the challenge that the democrats are having. it's, that they do their conversations right now, all at the national level. but, oftentimes the people that need to hear it are locally. , so they need to make sure that the local press is covering it as much as possible. , and the best way to do it is by shaming them with the ribbon cutting ceremony. even, we should take that on the world. i think it would actually work. >> sign me. up i would definitely go to every one of these districts and happily put all the pictures of these republicans that voted against the

legislation wherever i can. >> -- the comedic take, basically with a big red chair, the big red bow. and then, we could go from there. >> i love it. >> let me pivot to another, thing matthew this week that got a lot of headlines. got a lot of praise. president biden's decision on marijuana. pardoning thousands of people convicted of marijuana position at the federal level. and asking for governors to take similar action at the state level. talk to me about that, how significant of it, does it go far enough? should it have gone further? >> well i think that joe biden took it as far as he could take it as the president of the united states without congressional action where our decriminalizing marijuana. i, mean this has been so long in coming. the super majority of the company completely supports this and if you look at the data and all of this. alcohol, which is obviously, people who are consuming a lot of it today as they were watching nfl games, alcohol, by all, data is 100 times more

dangerous than more. one and, the public recognizes. that, and so this is another one of those issues that the public is vastly on the side of the democrats in. there's supposed to most republicans in the course of this. and, the idea, i've heard people over the weekend, saying while marijuana, i think we shouldn't be doing this. it is a gateway drug. it's a gateway drug. first, all sign says, that's not true. , but second, you know what the two biggest gateway drugs are that are both at the scientists focus? it is nicotine and alcohol. and i do not see a single republican talking about what we should do about nicotine and alcohol. it is a long time coming. i'm glad that the president. didn't i hope congress will take action on this. it is about time that we got to this. the country's way for their head than our leaders on this issue. >> josh, your final thought on this. , obviously it affects communities, marginalized communities. how do you think that this will be received. and, more importantly, should the president have gone further?

i, mean all i can say is that this is going to sound pessimistic, all right. but thank goodness for midterms and scandals. because they get more done than anything else you could imagine. , like i think just like matt was saying, it's been a long time coming. but, it's always a nice bow right before the midterms. remember that don't thing? remember that thing that i did, that i just? did, you know i think that it is one of those things that is slowly moving. i think that, to matthew's, point the president, as much as the president could do outside, of you know a full-on congressional sweep and a bill, or something but i don't know. i think that this is great. i think that it just alleviates. because, we know now that a lot of the status of marijuana was due to, you, no corruption. it slowed down a lot of the testing and research that could go to be helping people using marijuana. and, honestly i have lived. i've had. neighbors they smoked a lot of weak.

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threat to the regime. [noise] >> now that is a group of iranian school girls, chasing a man out of their school yard this week while shouting, shameless. and, you'll notice most of the girls aren't wearing their mandatory job. and they are not alone. across, around women and young girls are defying their nations islamic dress code. and even burning their head scarves. protesting the death of muscle mini and others. and now, also, calling for a change in government. and, beyond iran's borders, women around the world are cutting their hair off in solidarity. including actors and oscar winners as robbyn white put it in the new yorker, this many we'll be the first time in history where women have been both the spark and engine for an attempt at counter revolution. but while this ground response for women has been loud and unifying inside iran, the response from most

international leaders, though, has been shockingly quiet. the u.s. in canada have sanctioned iranian officials that president biden has said that he remains, quote, gravely concerned about the iranian regime's crackdown on protesters. the european union has let -- yet to lift the sanctions across iran. but hasn't -- until the meeting later this month on october 17th. the disconnect between the iranian people and world leaders is remarkable. even, more when you consider the rarity of what we are seeing unfold in iran. just this, week the norway-based, group reported that at least 185 people, including at least 19 children have been killed so far in these protests. how many mormon, how many more women, how many more children will have to put their lives on the line for world leaders contend denim and take serious actions against the iranian government. joining me now is -- roya hakakian, she is the -- roya it's good to have you with us. thank you so much for coming

in. >> thank you so much for having me and for that wonderful under duck shun. >> thank you, i was drawn to an article that you wrote in the atlantic, and i just want to read a part of. a, right that it was titled the bonfire of the head scarves. you, say no one in iran today's setting fire to -- or the u.s. flag. instead, women are biting their head scarves in the street on bonfires that meant life for them. they do not object to the hijab itself, they objected not having the right to choose whether to wear. talk to me a little bit about what you mean by that. >> i think one of the difficulties that we have had is, especially in the, west, obviously to have an intelligent conversation about the hijab. because we who live under authoritarian rules are forced to wear the hijab as i was when i was a high school student. and here, in the west you have the anxiety that people who wear the hijab might be discriminated against. so to speak up against the

hijab on the conditions under which we had to live, in the west, has been incredibly difficult. because you don't find sympathetic ears. what this movie insider has done is to create the consciousness among the westerners, especially that, for the first time i would say has convinced everyone that this conversation needs to be sophisticated. it needs to be, nuanced and that there is more than one hijab. depending on where you wear it. and there is depending on whether it is a democratic context or not authoritarian context. and i would say this is a huge leap. not just for iranians, not just for iranian women. but for a feminist conversation. throughout the world. >> as i mention these protests are now in the fourth week. that is remarkable. just the ability that it's being sustained so much.

i think it talks to the frustrations of the iranian people. it has been led by women in teenagers. what is the significance of that? the fact that this is an organic movement. it seems to be now, i want, point it was led by the multi generational across all kind of demographic. >> absolutely let me give you the good, news i have never since seen such a solidarity across iran between different ethnicities. you know you are from the, region you know -- kurtz of service, but luci's are united. for the past many years everybody has been worried about the separatist movements within the states. not anymore. at this particular moment everybody is chanting the same slogan. knife woman liberty. and they are all united in the

same cost. that is something we hadn't seen. before all across social classes, everybody is out on the street. and there seems to be a unifying message in which people are saying together that they want the regime to. it addresses everybody on the founder of the islamic republic to the current supreme leader. and there is no conversation about reform. they are done. >> let me ask you something that i was talking, about which was the interaction of the international community. not just to make it sound that they're not doing enough but it's also what can they do. what can the international community to. iran has sanctioned, they have been criticize because they also weaken the iranian people. certainly make it harder for. them, but what do you think the international community should be doing now the on the sanctions? >> i can tell you about a single example which brought up

the international community together. in 1997, in the aftermath of a court case in berlin germany the trial ultimately led to the implication of the top iranian leadership in an assassination that is taken place in berlin journey by the iranian agency in 1992. as a result of that court judgment, all the eu member nations withdrew their ambassadors from iran. in april of 1997. that delivered a huge blow to the iranian regime that you're. it is time to bring that rust and loot, that unity in the part of the west. it's part to do that again, we have done it before. it was incredibly effective. >> right. >> the regime cease to assassinate the dissonance outside of iran as a result of

that for, you know at least a decade. and, i think that now that they're out on the streets, killing people we should try that again. >> roya hakakian, i know it's a complex conversation, but we look forward to speaking to you again. and obviously there will be something in the headlines for the days and weeks ahead. thank you again for your time. >> thank you. >> up next, president obama former chief speed writer, joins us live. joins us live. whenever heartburn strikes get fast relief with tums. it's time to love food back. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums ♪ my name is tonya, i am 42. as mother of nine kids, i think i waited this long to get botox® cosmetic because i take like no time for myself. my kids are sports kids. we're always running from one activity to another. i'm still tonya, and i got botox® cosmetic, and this is like the first thing i've done for me in a really, really long time. my life is still crazy, it's just as full as it was before. just with less lines.

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the victims family. the -- the killer. and that actually inspired president obama to give the amazing grace eulogy, and at the same time, we're preparing, my team and i all of the speeches or whether or not the supreme court would uphold marriage quality. whether or not the -- so in just, we, contends all these questions about america who we are and what we believe in and what we stand up for all came ahead at the same time. >> yes, and you write that the famous amazing grace moment with president obama saying during the funeral service for one of the charleston church shooting victims almost didn't happen. how did that come to be? >> you know, he and i had written so many eulogies after mass shootings at the point. and, the origin of him not wanting to do it up, first went back to 2013. for republicans and, the senate blocked votes on background checks. this was after the school shooting in newtown. where 20 kids, along with the -- and republicans block that vote with the parents, those kids looking on from the gallery, it's about a cynical as -- and he, said you, know the next

time that this happens, i do want to speak. if we're gonna disguised as a country that we're not gonna do anything about, this than i do want to just perpetuate the cycle of doing a eulogy and letting us move on. but, as the week unfolded for those families they forgave the color and an act of grace. and they ultimately decided, that's what i want to speak. of and i want to go down there. i want to hug those families. i want to talk about grace and how it could help, as you, know see with the. blind and maybe give people the chance to change. >> it is undeniable that president obama is perhaps one of the greatest orders of our lifetime. i, mean he is certainly up there among the best speakers in american political history. have you or how have you seen the president of all the -- since he left office? not only how he speaks but what he chooses to speak about. >> sure, he laid down a marker. i mean, i stayed in with four years after the white house. he laid down a marker that you should always speak up. what are your values. the things that we care about as americans in their state. i don't get ahead of us.

office i don't know what is planned for the midterms. are i assume, we will hear from him in some way. but he's been choosy with what he goes out to. speak, and especially now hill referred to president biden. >> and, like i said, you know a thing or two about communicating. and we have not realized how important it is for our leaders to communicate clearly and effectively about the important things that our country faces. so, i wanted to get your thoughts on that. how do you communicate. how do you write? for a democratic candidate helped up the midterms in the final stretch of the 30 days. but everything you're seeing on the country, how do you see crystallized a clear message to the american voters about what is at stake? >> it's always difficult in the midterms. you know i remember in 2010 are first midterms we knew we were in for a ride. the economy is 10% unemployment in a matter what it's gonna be a referendum. this year -- he's been able to make a choice,

election in the hopes that president trump asserted himself in every step. but he's giving candidates across the country a chance to see that there are significant things about democracy at stake. and you have to decide who is it that fighting for us? is it the people that have been trying to criminalize abortion and trying to overturn the last election? and promises to overturn the next. and fleshing violence in the street if they don't get their way. or, is it the democrats? who have been planning to lower bush crippen greta -- cost, let people decide what to start a family let people decide that they could marry whoever the law. it is hard to make that message they can breakthrough. republicans are just gonna do the same thing that they do every two years would just run on crime, emigration, and tried to scare the heck out of everybody. but the symptoms are just critical. i want people to think back to 2014. when democrats lost the senate. that is what freed mitch mcconnell to take the unprecedented step of denying president obama of supreme court appointee. and the answer run through president trump. and that's how you got the, --

these midterms are just critically important. and, you know, i'll tell you, some of the famous feedbacks from a book so far this people messaging me and saying that you've got me so fired up that i decided to knock on some doors. no speech. no book. it's not gonna change everything and make everything better. but if you could inspire people to just get out there and fight for this democracy. nothing can be more important. let me just get a final thought. just because you had such incredible access, do you think that the president needs to be a compelling secret to be a competitive leader? i think it helps. i don't think it's necessary. it's not critical to. and i think it's something that all of us need to keep in mind. we're not always going to have inspirational leaders. we're not always gonna have people -- sometimes you just have people who like doing the work and trying to move the mall forward every day. and that's just as important. we should need leaders to inspire us. it's nice when we get that.

we all need to dive in. and show up and protect the democracy every step. yes couldn't agree with him on that. congrats on the book. the book is grace: president obama and ten days in the battle for america. cody keenan, greatly appreciated this conversation. extremely fascinating. >> thanks damon. >> thank you for making time for us. make sure to catch him and back here on saturday at eight, sunday said nine. up next, msnbc films presents the final episode of the four part series model america in the last episode, the verdict is read, officer gary's best trial in 30 years later, the tina community still struggles to healed from philippe panel's death. model america concludes tonight, 10 pm eastern. and until we meet again, i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york. have a good night. good night. [ kimberly ] before clearchoice, my dental health was so bad i would be in a lot of pain. i was unable to eat. it was very hard. kimberly came to clearchoice with a bunch of missing teeth, struggling with pain, with dental disease.

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