republican strategists are telling us they feel the messaging tests well for them, which is a class war, us versus them type of message. it's simply a fact of political life that older americans are more likely to vote than younger americans. to the extent this is winning democrat support among that younger contingent, you know, it's just not going to materialize into as much support at the ballot box because young people are less likely to vote. >> lachlan markay, good stuff as always. thanks for joining us this morning. and thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" on this monday morning. "morning joe" with the latest from ukraine starts right now. the democratic party, they have a majority. they could stop this crime today. some people say, they're soft on crime, no, they're not soft on crime. they're pro crime. they want crime. they want crime because they want to take over what you got. they want to control what you have. they want reparations because they think the people that do

the crime are owed that. they are not owed that. >> blatant racism and fear mongering that appears to be the end game strategy for republicans with the midterm elections now one month away. can you believe what we just heard? >> yes. >> we'll talk about it. explosive new allegations regarding herschel walker's senate campaign in georgia. the running back urged a woman to have a second abortion, she says, but chose to have their son instead. we'll explain how text messages are now at the center of the story. good morning, and welcome to "morning joe." it is monday, october 10th. we begin with major developments in the war in ukraine where overnight, multiple explosions rocked the capital city of kyiv. for the first time in four months, according to the mayor ever of kyiv, explosions went off in the historic old town,

including several government offices. the number of casualties is not yet clear. ukrainian media is also reporting explosions in several other cities including lviv, which is seen as a refuge for many people. air-raids. yesterday, russia also launched a missile attack that hit a residential building in zaporizhzhia killing at least 13 people and injuring dozens more. at least ten children were hurt in the attack. according to the ukrainian air force, six missiles were launched from russian-occupied areas in the city. the city is one of four regions in ukraine that russia illegally claimed to annex. on his telegram account this morning, president volodymyr zelenskyy said quote they are trying to destroy us and wipe

us off the face of the earth. those attacks could be seen as a retaliatory measure, after a sole bridge attaching crimea, according to russian officials, the massive explosion killed at least three people and is being called a terrorist attack by russian president vladimir putin. the ukrainian government has not publicly claimed responsibility for the attack but one ukrainian official speaking on the condition of anonymity told "the new york times" that ukraine was behind the explosion. that official added that ukraine's intelligence services had orchestrated the blast saying a bomb had been loaded on to a truck that was driven across the bridge. the 12 mile long bridge is seen as an extremely symbolic target. it is the sole connector that physically merges russia and

crimea. putin personal oversaw the bridge's opening in 2018. so joe, a lot of development, especially in the last few hours, last 12 hours or so in ukraine. >> well, a lot of developments obviously. we all saw the news overnight, i believe it was friday night. about the bridge being damaged going to crimea. that was massive bit of news. and now we have a follow up where the russians are proving once again that they can -- and this is just the military reality. they can launch random acts of terrorism. they just can't win a battle on the battlefield. so if you're russia, all you can do is kill innocent civilians. let's bring in nbc news correspondent cal perry who is live in kyiv. cal, this is a bit surprising. i mean, obviously the ukrainians

were looking for retaliatory strikes from russia, but you hear about attacks in lviv and where you are in kyiv, this takes us back six, nine months. what's the latest on the ground there? >> yeah, well, look, for the first time in six month, you have citizens here in kyiv, huddled in the subway from incoming fire. there were over 85 rockets we understand from the government fired at one time in a volley. that is rockets and drones hitting a dozen cities across the country. the first explosions here were at 8:15 in the morning, distinct, loud explosions from the downtown area. as you set up, we heard vladimir putin say there would be retaliation from the bridge strike. he opened this bridge in 2018. there was the anticipation that something could happen, but nothing to the level like we've seen here. i can sort of walk you through to the eastern part of the country. multiple explosions where our team was on the ground. they are here in the capital of

kyiv, at least three separate waves of explosions, joe, killing at least eight people, wounding a dozens others in the central city, five are dead, and a series of explosions there, and as far west as lviv. as you mentioned, the power is out there at this hour because we understand they hit power structures. that's what's happening in kyiv as well. some of the targets, clearly logistical. we know of one residential building. we understand there are people trapped in the rubble at this hour as security services try to make their way to these sites. it's not clear if these are over. certainly there's a concern on the ground that we could see continuing attacks, guys. >> cal, any suggestion that there will be retaliation from the ukrainian government? are they going to pick out targets symbolic to vladimir

putin? >> i don't think there's any question, and when they hit these symbolic targets, the reaction is never a claim of responsibility. it's a mocking of the russians. they mocked vladimir putin when they hit that bridge. the real retaliation is going to come in the eastern part of the country and southern part of the country. ukrainian forces are on the move in the east and south, and they're moving quickly. at one point last week we think they moved that conflict line, that line of russian troops eight miles in four hours. it is partly that which the russians are executing. you said it perfectly at the beginning, battlefield losses, as they lash out continuously on civilian targets. >> nbc's cal perry, thank you so much. please be careful there. we greatly appreciate your reporting. with us from moscow, nbc news senior international correspondent keir simmons. obviously vladimir putin embarrassed by what's been

happening on the battlefield, russian forces collapsing, obviously the attack on the bridge linking russia to crimea, also a humiliation. we saw the strikes overnight. what's happening in russia right now? what's the reaction other than these strikes last night to the continued failure of russian forces on the battlefield? >> reporter: well, i think we're seeing the reaction from the kremlin behind me there in ukraine where you were just speaking to cal perry. we've actually just in the past few minutes, joe, heard from president putin who has described this morning's attacks as retaliation. i think it was clearly coming since last night when we saw president putin on television with his lead investigator for the attack on the bridge between russia and crimea, describe it as an act of terrorism. say it was an attack on civilian infrastructure now. that bridge has actually been

used for military supplies. it is also a symbol of power for president putin and for russia, and president putin now, i think, you're seeing his response. over the weekend, after that explosion on the bridge, he appointed a new general, general zarifkin who is known for his brutality in syria. this is that general's first message there i think in ukraine, and look, it's quite extraordinary, watching russian television yesterday, joe, and what you saw was wall-to-wall blanket coverage of the blast on the bridge. it wasn't not talked about, and what we have been hearing is vocal criticism not directly of president putin but the military and its campaign, and that, again, stunning, frankly, that is not something you would have seen just a few months ago. russian military bloggers coming

out openly and saying the enemy aren't scared of us. now, that of course is extremely dangerous for president putin who cannot afford to look weak. and i think this is his way of attempting to look strong. just think about this, for example, joe, there are two putin loyalists, one a chechnyaen war lord, the other who runs the wagner group, both control private armies, both loyal to president putin but criticizing the way the military campaign has been handled. that again is unprecedented in russia. president putin is under a pressure in a way he hasn't been in 20 years of his leadership. >> keir, could you explain to our viewers the putin regime, why they bay may be allowing this dissent, and also, if you could just put things in perspective i think a lot of

times because putin is illiberal and an authoritarian leader and a strong man, sometimes there's this morphing with putin regime with say joseph stalin's or brezhnev's when, in fact, he did allow dissent, as you said before, maybe to possibly let steam out. why now? why are we hearing these voices of dissent on russian television now? >> that's something i can't answer, honestly, joe. frankly, what is going on in the kremlin and the upper echelons of moscow power you, read the tea leaves but never quite know. i think it's important to understand, and we have said this, i think we just said it just last week when we spoke, it is important to understand that there are no liberals around president putin. there are hard liners, and there are long time allies and dug

into the government, if you like. so it's very important, i think, to recognize that group around president putin and there are many of them who have been with him for 20 years. they are all in this together, if you like, at the same time. those hard liners, they are outspoken from his more radical side, if you like. it would be difficult for president putin to criticize them. as you mentioned, he has always allowed dissent in his ranks up to a point. there are those who think that he has -- thought that it has been useful for his leadership. we are seeing it in public in a way we haven't seen, certainly of the beginning of what russia called calls its special military operation. your question about where it goes from here, i don't think we know. >> nbc's keir simmons, thank you very much.

let's bring in president of the council on foreign relations, richard haass. the giants won yesterday, he's still wearing the sean connery beard. perhaps okay. so i am curious, is putin allowing the criticism right now because it's coming from his right, from the hard liners instead of from pro democracy forces? >> absolutely, joe, that's his base. he can't turn on his base so he's allowing them to vent, and what he's doing, you know, with these attacks is giving them some of the red meat that they want. i think it's interesting to take a step back and connect the dots. what we're seeing is putin adopt an indirect strategy. as you suggested he can't prevail on the battlefield. we're seeing three distinct things going on simultaneously, one is the attacks on ukraine, to break their will. ukraine is a society that tasted normalcy after months of war, so i think this is psychologically tough on them.

he wants to break the back of europe, support for ukraine through the natural gas shutoffs, and third, he wants to weaken our will through the threats of nuclear escalation. all of this, again, is an indirect strategy designed to weaken ukraine, dilute support for ukraine, because a direct strategy, prevailing on the battlefield is something he has tried and after six months, the evidence is in. he can not succeed by going down that path. >> you know, you can't -- you don't have to be a military strategist or a graduate of west point to understand the russians are going to keep losing on the battlefield. there's a momentum right now, if you look at what's happening, it does seem that the training that the ukrainian troops get after 2014 from the united states, a lot of weapons coming from the west have just pushed this to, you know, advantage ukraine. and it's going to continue that

way. with that in mind, where do we go next? ukraine's going to keep making gains on the battlefield. is russia going to be limited to just trying to randomly kill civilians with missile attacks. >> that's where we were months ago, the short answer is yes. my short answer to what you just raised, that's one of the reasons this is likely to be a long conflict. again, there's no basis for peace talks now or for the foreseeable future. ukraine will gradually make some progress on the battlefield. russia will do what it can to limit that progress, and more important again, russia is going to continue to try to weaken support for ukraine by going after energy supplies or threatening nukes or now attacks cities. that's what we're likely to see. both sides in a sense, joe, can sustain this.

this war has been going on since 2014. it's going to go through the winter. it may dial down in intensity, but we all ought to psychologically and politically prepare ourselves for a long struggle. >> we don't know the extent of the casualties in kyivs. any word from the white house at this point, jonathan lemire? >> they're certainly watching it carefully. i think there's a sense that this is a display of putin's limits, that it's a temper tantrum. this is all he can do. these aren't making gains on the battle front. he's trying to terrorize civilian, indiscriminately bombing civilian infrastructure in kyiv and elsewhere. it's hitting parks, a pedestrian only bridge. there's no military or strategic value for these sites other than to cause terror. if part of his goal here is to try to disrupt the unity of the west, even in the first few hours, backfiring. they have scrambled a g7 call

tomorrow that will include zelenskyy, a video call. this is a moment for the western alliance to double down on their support against kyiv. putin's not able to disrupt that. >> the problem is richard is right. most people that look at this say this is going to continue on for quite some time. the problem for vladimir putin is the longer this goes, the more ukrainian land he loses. the more ukrainian land he loses, the weaker his land is at home, the less likely he is to settle. suddenly, mika, we have a situation that has overtones of 1914. i don't know who's creative enough to solve this crisis diplomatically, but this is going actually in a very good direction if you are supportive of freedom. if you're supportive of the ukrainians getting their land back, but it just causes a

number of problems that actually threaten to destabilize world peace. >> we're going to be coming back to this story with new updates as we get them. we need to turn to some explosive developments in politics over the weekend. the woman who says georgia senate nominee herschel walker paid for her to have an abortion back in 2009 now claims he urged her to terminate a second pregnancy, two years later. walker's former girlfriend tells "the new york times" that in 2011 she went against the former college football star's wishes and had their now 10-year-old son, so another kid that he didn't recognize. she claims walker has had little to do with the child aside from sending child support payments and occasional gifts through walker's wife julie.

in text messages between julie walker and the woman. walker's wife insist she was unaware of the claims that her husband paid for the first abortion or that he allegedly pushed the woman to have a second abortion as well. these text messages were provided to nbc news by the walker campaign and that after previously saying he did not know the identity of the woman making the claims. >> do you know the woman that is making this allegation? >> i have no idea, but it is a flat out lie. >> have you figured out who it is? >> not at all. >> walker now tells nbc news that he just learned her identity on friday. he now acknowledges he fathered a child with the woman but still denies he paid for her to have an abortion. still, more republicans are throwing their support behind

georgia senate candidate herschel walker, the latest being senators rick scott and tom cotton who announced they will travel to the southern state to campaign for walker tomorrow. >> wow, wow. >> in a statement to nbc news, scott writes in power. >> tom cotton is going. i expect rick scott, but tom cotton is going to campaign for this guy. >> yeah. mm-hmm. absolutely. so anyhow, writing in part, they picked the wrong georgian to mess with. i'm proud to stand with herschel walker and make sure georgians know he will always fight to protect them from the forces trying to destroy georgia values. >> georgia values, wait a second. >> can i just pop in there he keeps saying he has extra kid that he doesn't even recognize or spend time with. put the abortions aside, can we just talk about not recognizing

a child that you had with a woman and not supporting this child. >> by the way, the hypocrisy. >> multiple children. >> rick scott just said for the people of georgia, listen up, rick scott just said this georgia values is holding a gun to woman's head and saying you're going to pull the trigger and kill her. that's what rick scott says. rick scott says georgia values is having four children that you abandon. >> i mean, i think it's four. is it four? >> that you do not raise. >> four that we know so far. four that you do not raise. he says that georgia values are lying. i mean, in realtime, we saw on this show when this woman was brought up, walker lied and he goes, like she doesn't exist. i don't know who this person is. and then we find out that this

person that walker says on the campaign trail to georgia voters, georgia values, a politician lying through his teeth about abortions, a politician lying through his teeth about children that he's the father of who he's abandoned, four children. he says the woman doesn't exist. at the same time, the woman is texting his wife, at the same time the woman is talking to the "new york times," at the same time the woman is saying not only did i have one abortion because he pressured me to do it, he wanted me to have a second abortion and i refused to do it, so that was the end of our relationship. walker says this woman doesn't exist and yet in 2014 he started paying child support for the child that his girlfriend refused to abort. i think when you see all of this, you see the lying going on in realtime. you see the abandonment of four

children. you understand what peggy noonan write about this weekend for the "wall street journal" when she said republicans don't understand what's the central crisis for this campaign. it's not the abortions. >> nope. >> it's not that he made mistakes in the past, what peggy said what most people say,we're all humans, we all sin. we all make mistakes. that's not the problem. the problem is that he has abandoned four children, and one of those children started all this by coming out saying he refused to be a dad to any of us. he just continued going out having sex with other women instead of being our dad. and this really is the

republican point at its lowest point. i think even more than the "access hollywood" tape. rick scott talks about georgia values and says he's coming in to endorse a guy who's abandoned four children, paid for abortions, lied about the abortions, put a gun up to a woman's head, said he was going to kill her. never has denied that. he's just lying through his teeth. and even as peggy says, even if you put all of that to the side, this may be in our lifetime, and i would guess in peggy's and mine, speaking for myself here, the least, the single least qualified candidate for the united states senate that i've

ever seen win his party's or her party's nomination. and republicans like tom cotton who is so morally self-righteous rushing in to go, yes, i'm proud to support this guy who, again, made mistakes, we all made mistakes, we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of god, jesus tells us that's. that's not the breaking news. the breaking news is he's still lying about the abortions. he's still lying about the children he abandoned. he's still lying about these women who were saying he abused them or neglected their children. and this is what rick scott supports. this is what tom cotton supports. this is what the republican party of donald trump in 2022

supports. i've never seen anything like it. let's bring in political reporter for the atlanta journal constitution, greg luce. a lot of people said after the "access hollywood" tape that is going to finish trump. i don't think so. a guy who went on howard stern and wanted to have sex with a dead princess because he liked her skin. trump did, though, in a rare act of contrition, apologize for his actions. herschel walker is lying day in and day out. and i just, i'm just wondering are the republicans going to just fall in line. by the way, for people watching, greg is a reporter, what i'm saying i'm characterizing "the new york times" reports, the court papers. greg is not agreeing with any conclusions i'm drawing here. i want to stay that because we're on a split screen, but greg, there is a question, though, that reporters are asking that you're asking, will

this be a bridge too far that herschel walker caught lying on the campaign, saying he didn't know who this woman was, and it ends up that he wanted her to have a second abortion, she says and that there are court documents showing he's paid child support to this woman since 2014. is that a bridge too far for trump's republican party. >> there are a number of republicans who say this is fake news. there's a number of republicans who say they believe it but it's not an issue to them, that control of the senate is the most important thing, the most paramount factor of their november vote and a smaller number of republicans who say this is an issue, who are questioning their vote for republicans, signaling they're going to withhold their vote from either candidate, warnock or herschel walker. that's a small number. in georgia, the last month, you can't turn on a tv screen without hearing herschel

walker's ex-wife's dramatic footage talking about how he threatened to kill her. if that wasn't a bridge too far for many republicans, then it's questionable whether this will kind of be the breaking point. we'll see. we don't have polling numbers from the daily beast and "new york times" report. >> greg, strategists have said to me, this was baked in. we didn't know about the specifics or the abortions. but there was a sense that he was someone who came with a lot of baggage. and some of the accusations come after he said he was born again, saved. how are democrats approaching this. republicans rallying around walker: what's the democrats' strategy to try to take advantage of this and press forward in the wake of these seismic revelations? >> you know, it is really interesting.

democrats are largely steering clear. senator warnock on the campaign trail is not speaking about it. these are disturbing, this is part of a pattern of behavior, when your opponent is lighting himself on fire, you don't bring him the bucket to put it out. democrats are worrying about the boomerang effect, shifting the conversation away from all the mess. >> reporter for the atlanta journal constitution greg bluestein, we'll talk to you again more soon. the prosecutor investigating efforts to interfere with the 2020 election in georgia wants testimony from top trump allies. we'll have the latest on the former president's legal fight with doj. he's making new claims of executive privilege on folders seized from mar-a-lago. plus, friday's strong jobs report sent stocks lower and they're still in the red this morning.

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it's 6:33 in new york city, a beautiful morning. you know, most of my life i've talked about this a good bit lately, but most of my life i have been hearing from people, teachers in middle school, high school, professors in college that the united states was in collapse. its economy was going down in the '50s, soviets were going to overtake us in the '70s. '80s in japan, china the last 40 years. the best jobs numbers on friday, matched the best job numbers in the past half century. the dollar stronger than at any time in the past half century. you compare the united states

economy right now to any economy across the world, any other country, any other leader would take our economy in the second and yet, the stock market keeps falling. why, one word, inflation. to break down the numbers, breast let's bring in former treasury official and economic analyst, steve rattner. great job numbers. the dollar is extraordinarily strong, our economy as you and i have both said, relative to the rest of the world, better than other countries. at the same time, though, it's i guess because i'm always looking at the positive when it comes to the u.s. economy, i guess the bad news is at least for the fed, and for people in the market, is our economy is so resilient, our economy is so strong, that the fed just can't tamp it down. so they're going to have to keep raising interest rates, which of

course is bad for the stock market. take us through it. >> well, you said it in a nutshell, joe, that's exactly what's going on. we can start with the jobs numbers. as you said, the democrats have an incredibly strong argument for the fall about what's going on in the real economy in terms of jobs. we had 263,000 jobs created last month. you can see that in the first chart over on the left on the yellow bar, and that follows three other months and many month before that of strong jobs creation. we have unemployment at the lowest it's been since the 1960s. you can see that in the yellow bar there at 3 1/2%, and the problem is that the numbers came in a bit better than expected. you may think that's good news, but it's bad news, which i'll get to in a second. you can see the red bars at the top of the yellow bars showing what the expectation was and the fact that both numbers came in a bit better, and then the other number, which we watched carefully is how many americans are actually out in the labor force looking for work or

working, so called labor force participation, and you can see that that ticked down a little bit last month, contrary to expectations of a remaining flat and that's bad news because it means americans are not coming back to the labor force to the extent we wanted them to and expected them to as the economy recovered and we can all debate why that is. but fewer americans in the labor force means more pressure on wages, more inflation as i'll talk about in a second. >> take us through the next chart. >> so the next chart, we talked about the yin, here's the yang of the situation, wages falling behind inflation, and so the yellow in the middle is the difference between wages and inflation. on the left, before the pandemic, wages were out pacing inflation. the economy was doing well. americans' real income was going up, and then you can see on the right that inflation, which is the red line, kind of took over, and got above the black line,

which is wage increases. this is that gap in there, the whole yellow area is the extent to which americans are falling behind because of inflation being higher than wages. the problem is the only way we know to tamp down inflation is to get wage growth to come down a bit. it came down a tiny bit last month, running about 5%. we generally like that. the problem is that for inflation to get to 2%, wage growth that has to get down to 3 or 4%. >> if you're looking at these charts at home. let's keep the chart up for a second. if you're like me and see charts and numbers, things start to blur for me, i'm a simple guy. the good way to look at this, see the yellow starting in may of '21. that yellow represents pain. pain for working class americans. pain for middle class americans who see their wages going up, which is the black line. but not as fast as inflation, which is the red line.

so despite the fact they're making more money. that yellow represents the gulf between the money you're making and wages and how fast prices are going up. and that at the end of the day, steve, that ends up really really bad news for middle class americans, for working class americans. and also go to the third chart to show it's also bad for the retirement, it's also bad for investments. it's also bad for people that are invested in the stock market. >> so what happened on friday, joe, is as soon as those numbers hit, the market reacted because they were, as i said, for the most part, better than expected. so what happened? the expectation for the next fed meeting later this month jumped. the odds of a 75 basis point or .75%, and interest rates jumped from 88%, the black line

to the left, all the way up to 95%, in other words, a virtual certainty will get a fourth increase of 3/4 of a percentage point. the problem is that that's the enemy. higher interest rates are the enemy of the stock market. when you have interest rates going up, it means americans can turn to bonds and other kinds of fixed income investments and earn more income and then come out of the stock market. you can see the s&p immediately rolled over the futures at 8:30 when the news hit, and then they just kept going down. ended the day down about 2.8%. and they're expected to open down, excuse me, slightly today, but we felt a lot of pain on friday, and this is exactly what has been ailing the stock market for some months now. >> and should in the future, interest rates continuing to go up for quite some time. the stock market a volatile place until inflation is tamped down, right? >> sure. and interest rates are probably going to keep going up. i think many of us believe the

fed's job in getting inflation down is tougher than the market thinks it is. i'm not here to predict the stock market, but history would tell you, not great for the stock market. >> steve rattner, thank you very much. we'll be talking with you about this a lot in the coming weeks and months. coming up, we're going to have the latest from ukraine as the country's capital is hit with the first major overnight in months. plus, donald trump spent the weekend ranting about the fbi's search of his country club. meanwhile, a republican senator who took the stage with the former president made racist comments, very blatant racist comments at that rally. we'll have more on all of that ahead on "morning joe." e on allt ahead on "morning e.jo [ sneezing ] are you okay? oh, it's just a cold. if you have high blood pressure, a cold is not just a cold. coricidin is the #1 doctor recommended cold and flu brand. specially designed for people with high blood pressure. be there for life's best moments. trust coricidin.

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end zone late in the first half, here's barkley, another end around, wanting to throw, bellinger is going to keep it,

and daniel bellinger, rumbling for the touchdown. >> got to get back here more often, and we will. here's allen, trying to go deep. he pulled it in. incredible. >> incredible is right. >> it's in the hands of kyle duger, and he will take it all the way for new england defensive touchdown. >> on with the tight end, on the move, with a fake by wilson, and a block, and down field. this is the rookie running back. there's a block down field by barrios, still on his feet, dragging defenders, down to the one. right up the middle, breaking free, touch back all the way,

touchdown dallas. >> the boys who would have believed it. the cowboys doing well despite some early season injuries. those were just some of the top plays from around the nfl yesterday. we're going to talk to richard haass about one of those, and by the giants. let's go right now to baltimore for a thrilling ending to sunday night football. the beagles, down 6 points with two minutes to go with joe burrow scored a qb speak. the ball went over the upright. it was good. giving the beagles the lead. they have way too much time on the clock for lamar jackson. three big rushes to get baltimore into field position. 43, mcmorris snaps it. justin tucker, wins this for baltimore. >> one of the best kickers in the history of the league, guess what he does, he comes through in the clutch, gave the ravens a

badly needed win. 3-2. and cincinnati, who was the rags to riches story last year, back in the cellar, two and three. let's move from football to baseball, and the final game, this was painful, this was painful mika, final game of the wild card weekend. >> now plays the hop, throw to first is in time, and the padres have not only captured the moment, they have captured the wild card series. >> san diego padres, eliminated the new york mets thanks to a dominant pitching performance from joe musgro, had his ears checked, everything else checked by the umpires, he was glistening, and his spin rate was up to 8,000 rotations per second. it was crazy. i'm not exactly sure how he got that much better in one night. neither did the mets.

he threw seven scoreless innings, gave up one hit, something that has never been done in an elimination game, and the padres headed back to california and the series with the l.a. dodgers, here's a look at the other match ups in the division series. the phillies who swept the cardinals, i can't believe it. they're taking on the braves. probably the hottest team with the dodgers. the seattle mariners shocked the blue jays, an ugly loss for the blue jays, they gave up a seven-run lead. they're going to be facing the houston astros after that incredible comeback saturday, and the cleveland guardians still hard to say guardians will be in new york to take on the yankees, all eight teams play tomorrow starting with the phillies and the braves at 1 eastern. you get used to the cleveland indians, and it is something, but they are a great team.

you look how cleveland did, and the guardians pitching, jonathan lemire, let's go through this quickly. the guardians pitching on the weekend, just absolutely stellar. it also reminded us of just how bad the boston red sox are. >> the guardians have ten pitchers who are better ouch their bull pen than anyone the red sox have. it was extraordinary, they played three full games, the saturday game went 15 innings, and the guardians gave up one. one run to the rays throughout that stretch. so that's the recipe if they're going to upset the yankees, they've got power arms, one of the best managers in baseball, our old friend, terry francona. that should be a good series. if there are any mets fans in your life, they deserve a hug this morning. this looked like it was going to be a magical season for them, and ten days ago, it all went

away. they got swept by the braves, and now this pretty disheartening series against the padres, lots of question about their off season, what a disappointment in the way this year ended for the mets. >> yeah, it was really ugly. i hated to see it. you can never blame one person for the loss of a series, but let's go ahead and blame scherzer, he got paid a lot of money. he did not deliver down the stretch. degrom had trouble down the stretch. degrom did not have his stuff. something off. his slider wasn't close. he couldn't get them chasing but that guy gutted through it. he really did, and got the win, but scherzer just not strong down the stretch. >> when he was their prize off season acquisition, he scuffled on the stretch, and didn't have it in game one. gave up a bunch of home runs, including to trent grisham,

manny machado hit a thousand miles per hour out into left field. degrom is a free agent and the mets have a lot of questions. it was a great season of baseball. the mariners come back, a fun, young team, they stunned what i thought was a really good blue jays squad. >> a great blue jays team. >> the phillies, the cardinals, outside of the braves were the hottest team in baseball down the stretch, and the phillies, the recipe for playoff success. they have two aces, zach wheeler and aaron knoll, two guys who could win games by themselves, and that's why they're dangerous going into atlanta. braves are the better team, but if those two guys clicking again, phillies, could make another upset. >> a lot of great games and a lot of little league style pitching, card analysis absolutely blue the first game with a lack of control. the mets, we're glad he didn't

stay in boston. he made a mess of game two. they got through it. we'll see what happens. and richard haass, you can talk about the yankees if you want to, but how they match up with the guardians, but you would probably rather talk about the giants right now. the giants looking good, can you believe it, the giants and jets looking really good. new york football, who would have thought. >> who'd of thought. the giants are the most injured team in football, somehow they prevailed. i thought the performance of they beleaguered quarterback, much criticized quarterback, daniel jones was extraordinary yesterday. just impressive. obviously saquon barkley, just gifted this year. fantastic to watch. the giants doing much better than want expected. the knicks undefeated in the preseason. 2-0. >> come on, richard. >> a little too far there.

>> it's the knicks. >> come on, show some love. show some love. >> you're so critical, man. you guys need to spend more time in new york. >> i'm still stuck on the mets loss, my daughter is going to be so sad. she needs a hug. >> it was ugly, mika. it was just ugly. >> it was ugly. >> 101 wins, and boom. >> i'll tell you what, though, they have an owner. they have an owner that's not going to sit still until the mets win a world series. if you're a mets fan, celebrate the 101 wins and understand your owner is going to patch the holes and be better next year. we'll see. still ahead, the reverend al sharpton joins us after what we saw, this sort of racist word salad from senator tommy tuberville over the weekend

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a live look at the white house, it is just about one minute before the top of the hour, and we have developing news this morning from ukraine overnight. russia retaliates for the bombing of a crimea bridge by launching missiles all across ukraine, including the capital city. ukraine says at least five people have been killed, and more than a dozen injured so far including civilians. we have been told water and power have been knocked offline for wide portions of the country. we're going to get a report from kyiv in just a moment. welcome back to the second hour of "morning joe," it is monday, october 10th. jonathan lemire is still with us, and joining the table is the host of msnbc's "politics nation", and president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton is with us this hour. good to have you. and we'll start with politics.

the woman who says georgia senate nominee herschel walker paid for her to have an abortion in 2009 now claims he urged her to terminate a second pregnancy two years later. walker's former girlfriend tells "the new york times" that in 2011 she went against the former college football star's wishes and had their now 10-year-old son. she claims walker has had little to do with the child since aside from sending child support payments and occasional gifts fa -- facilitated through walker's wife julie. walker's wife insists she was unaware of the claims her husband paid for the first abortion or that he allegedly pushed the woman to have a second one, too. these text messages were provided to nbc news by the walker campaign and after previously saying he did not

know the identity of the woman making the claims. >> do you know the woman that is making this allegation? >> i have no idea, but it is a flat out lie. >> have you figured out who it is? >> not at all. >> walker now tells nbc news he just learned the identity on friday, and he now acknowledges that he fathered a child with that woman, but still denies he paid for her to have an abortion, and here are the comments from a panel on fox news show yesterday, pointing out that herschel walker's comments are simply not adding up. take a look. >> herschel walker's initial denial, given the $700 check to the unnamed woman came during the period when she had an abortion, came across as pretty thin. >> yeah, he decided that he was going to deny the whole thing

outright, and i remember thinking the day that the story broke having seen some of the evidence that "the daily beast" said they reviewed, seems like they have something here. this is not a baseless allegation. this is not kavanaugh 2.0 as he's claiming in some of his campaign fundraising e-mails. >> i'm not just talking about the left lane media. he does not look credible in his denials here. this is not good for herschel walker. >> you figure out who it is? >> not at all, and that's what i hope everyone can see. it's sort of like everyone is anonymous, and everyone is leaking and they want you to confess to something you have no clue about. >> no clue about, some alleged woman, he said at a different time and then came the daily beast follow up, two years later she had herschel walker's child. now the woman confirms that to the "new york times." he pressured her to have a second abortion. she had the child who is now 10

years old. and herschel walker says to nbc, i dated this woman, she's been angry at me for years. on this point, whether he had some clue about who the accuser was, was he caught in a lie? >> it appears that way. >> so joe, your thoughts, you can take it to the rev, the bottom line here, i think it's important to make clear every time we talk about this story it's not necessarily the mistakes that he herschel walker may have made in his life. it's two things, it's the constant barrage of lies, the obvious lies, as if he thinks the people this his life, including the women he fathered children with and the children he have are stupid and don't exist, and then abandoned children. nobody wants to get behind someone who would lie about children he has had, abandoned them, and then continue to lie. it's the lying. >> yeah, i mean, if you look at

howard and his guest and liz, they were very clear about the fact that this guy is not credible. he's lying in realtime. and i think if you look at, again, if you look at peggy noonan's op-ed over the weekend, she said republicans may be taught a lesson very soon about herschel walker, just like they were taught a lesson about donald trump that it's not, as you've said, as everybody else has said, it's not that he's made mistakes in the past. it's not that he's struggled with mental health issues in the past, even though holding a gun to a woman's head and saying he's going to shoot her. >> that's pretty severe. >> that's severe. that's extraordinary. it's not that. as peggy says, it's the

abandonment of the four children, and i would say on top of that, it's the lying in realtime. he was asked, herschel walker was asked by sean hannity, do you know who this woman is, and he said not at all. not at all. everyone is coming forward with these anonymous claims, and i have no clue at all. he was lying in realtime. he knew who the woman was. he actually fathered a second child with the woman. she says they broke up because he wanted her to have an abortion. she refused to have a second abortion for him. this woman he says is a fiction, is made up, actually got child support from him in 2014 and has gone forward, as howard kertz said on his fox news show. the critical thing to recognize

here is, you know, in romans 3:23, we're told for all of sin and falling short of god's glory, and you and i are living proof of that, and we've talked about that. it's what you do with your past, what you learn from your past, what herschel walker learns from his past, but he's lying in realtime, and as he's lying in realtime, as he's continuing to abandon his children in realtime, as he's denying this woman even exists, republicans are flocking to him, tom cotton, going to support him. rick scott saying herschel walker has georgia values. herschel walker is going to defend georgia values. herschel walker is going to support georgia values when he's lying in realtime. and they know exactly what he's done, and they know he's lying. but he's still supporting. it's really incredible. >> well, the people of georgia

ought to be insulted that rick scott would say these are georgia values because let's be clear, we're not playing detective here on where he got caught in a lie or where he didn't. the first thing that voters ought to think about is he wants to deny them the right to make the decision that obviously he and his ex-girlfriend made the first time and that was they decided to abort a child, whether one agrees with that or not in georgia, why would you deny me something that you exercises and did. secondly, i think that the point peggy noonan and mika is making, you abandoned your children. i don't care what happened with you and your girlfriend, your wife, your husband, to abandon a child, i grew up in a single parent home. if a man has the ability to walk away from a child he brought in this world, why would i let him represent me in the state. why would i send him to

washington when he won't even deal with his son or daughter right there. forget the relationship with who he had it with. i think these are very critical points. we can play got you all we want on what he said, and i agree with everything you quoted howard of saying that he said, but the important thing for me is that he's denying people a right that he exercised. >> what do you make of republicans getting around him? how do you feel about the fact that they keep pushing him given the extent of what appears to be not only just a barrage of lives but a moral deficit? >> i think that it is saying to the country, the republicans feel that we're all stupid and you take what we give you, and we are now in a donald trump zone, shoot somebody on 5th avenue, you're going to vote anyway. do what we tell you, you have no values, you have no standards, you don't look for any consistency.

he's with us. do what we tell you. because that's our instruction. >> joe. and i'll tell you what, jonathan, we saw his son last week come out and what did his son talk about. >> the lying. >> how hurt he was by the lying, yes, and by the abandonment, but the main thing was the abandonment that he had his son and his father didn't raise him. he didn't raise the other children that he abandoned them. he abandoned us, didn't raise us, and was instead going out there, getting other women pregnant, having sex and getting other women pregnant, and, you know, some republicans said, oh, he's a liar, this kid's got mental problems. this and that. herschel walker, you know, again defended, and then we find out

within a week in the most -- in the most painful way, i'm sure, for the family, that his son christian was right, and we -- christian was talking about the lies, christian was talking about the other, you know, all the other things. and herschel walker proved his son right by lying through his teeth and getting caught the next day. >> yeah, and his son christian, first of all, we should note is a conservative, that he is someone who is very pro desantis, pro a lot of the maga agenda, and yet, he was pushed to say something here. this was not some act of sabotage. this was someone who was really hurt, and he did, to your point, joe, talk about abandonment. we should note these text messages uncovered by "the daily beast," have exchanges between walker and the other son, the son reaches out, trying to get contact.

and walker either ignores it or a pro forma, love you, dad, with taking no interest, no response to what his had child was asking about. heartbreaking stuff to read. i know you spent a lot of time in georgia over the last couple of years, including this cycle. it has the governor's race and senate race. it's also ground zero for voting rights. my question is any of this going to make difference. most republicans i have talked to in recent days, we're seeing a sign of support from elected officials. they basically feel like they don't think this is going to change one vote. >> i have talked to people in georgia. we have an office in the action network and i'm getting the same feedback. it does not matter to voters who are trump supporters. speaking at morehouse college, this thursday, and i have been talking leading up to that event, and the thing that is most disturbing to me is that we have lost such a moral compass

in this country in terms of our politics, that doesn't matter. and when it doesn't matter, you have to start asking when do we matter as a people in this country. >> it's the desensitization. donald trump, i can shoot someone on 5th avenue, i can grab them wherever, they don't care. they want to push the maga agenda. that's it. >> and when we become so numb that nothing matters that's when you're really going to see the fall of the country. we have got to wake this country back up. >> it continues, rev, as we move to the blatantly racist comments from a sitting u.s. senator while talking about crime at a trump rally for candidates in nevada on saturday, alabama republican and former auburn university football coach tommy tuberville said this. >> the democratic party, they have majority, they could stop

this crime today. some people say they're soft on crime. no, they're not soft on crime. they're pro crime. they want crime. they want crime because they want to take over what you got. they want to control what you have. they want reparations because they think the people that do the crime are owed that. [ bleep ] they are not owed that. >> that's just blatant. that's just awful, joe. >> it's a combination of really. >> just awful. >> remarkably stupid, one of the dumbest statements ever made, you can tell he's struggling just to get through it while inhaling and exhaling. this is a guy that didn't understand the basics of world war ii. he's sort of herschel walker before herschel walker, minus the moral stuff. we don't know about his life. but he was extraordinarily ill equipped to be a united states senator but he coached football, so let's go ahead and send him. good luck, alabama, over the

long run. the first part, the second part is tommy tuberville knows exactly what he was doing. he's basically using a racist attack without exactly using the racist term, and rev, all of the implications here that black people want what you have, that black people are all criminals, if you read the text of it, that's what he's saying. this is straight out of -- i mean, this is straight out of the 1950s. and this in 2022. a quote that jonathan capehart had in his "washington post" column this morning, which really, i think, kind of puts it all into perspective here.

this is jonathan capehart in his "washington post" column this morning. he said lee atwater broke down the strategy in a 1981 interview. you start out in 1954 by saying the n-word. by 1968 you can't say the n-word except atwater is actually saying it. that hurts you, it backfires, so you say stuff like forced bussing, states rights and all that stuff is what lee atwater said in 1981, and here we are, 41 years later, and actually, tuberville is going even further. it's -- i would say it's shocking. actually, it is shocking. i'm sorry, i think i'm just naive. i'm actually shocked that somebody would be this morally depraved when it comes to race and racism, that they would do that. thinking that's how they got

votes, but this is where the trump republican party is right now. >> and he said it on the stage of a donald trump rally. and of course it goes in line with donald trump playing the race card. to go back as you accurately say to the 1950s, they want what you want, and then make them, which is blacks synonymous with crime and act like crime is some kind of way to give reparations by legitimate quests by many of us, how do you repair the damage of slavery and jim crow, that's criminal, and we're robbing people. the fact of the matter is where there is crime from blacks, it's mostly against other blacks unfortunately, so it is factually off, but to stand there in alabama and act as though that some form of reparations is they want what you want, it's you, it was also what they used to tell whites

that were not being treated fairly in the economy, that were working at low wage jobs with no guarantees, at least you're better than them, and they're trying to take what you want. it's playing on the intelligence of whites and blacks and they ought to be offended by that in alabama. as you know, i have relatives in alabama, and i'm telling you, the standard of living of whites there should be demanding more out of the republicans, rather than playing this, they want what you got. well, look at what you got, and they gave it to both of us, something that is not fair while they gave tax cuts to the rich. the same donald trump that was standing on that stage. >> so listening to blatant racism from that sitting senator, and back to herschel walker, i'm looking at this piece in the atlantic written by jemele hill, saying this herschel walker's candidacy is insulting, especially to african americans. would you agree with that, what is the saying, they continue no

matter what comes out, and they knew this was an extremely flawed candidate from the get-go. anything that's coming out, even though it's shocking, it's so saddening to see a man, not even recognize a woman that he pushed to have two abortions and a child he had with her, that's as sad as it gets, but for black americans, is it condescending to a sense that these republicans would elevate him? >> it's extremely condescending because when you look at someone as learned and as astute as stacey abrams running in that state, and reverend warnock, rafael, who went to school seminary here. i know him. he's worked here, and pastoring his star church, and just throw black out there. that's what donald trump did, oh, a football guy. it doesn't matter what he did. had a bunch of kids, who cares. any black is the same black.

that is the insult jemele is saying. any black will do. you never achieve being beyond, whatever errors in life, it doesn't matter that you did everything right, any black can be equated with you, and they'll go for it. and that's what they said, that's the insult here, and i think that jemele hill is absolutely correct. you could not anywhere in the world equate the background of herschel walker with rafael or stacey abrams, when it comes to their character and their discipline. i don't down him for having mental health issues, for making mistakes, but live up to them, repent for them, then go on. these people did not make those mistakes, so don't act like there's an equal journey here, and any black will do. people died to give people the right to run for the u.s. senate

and be black in the state of georgia, people literally died, black and white, jews, and gentiles, goodman died to give herschel walker a right that he is absolutely disgracing. >> squandering. >> we'll be revisiting this. thank you for that, rev. we want to get to the breaking news overnight in ukraine. multiple explosions rocked the capital city of kyiv for the first time in four months. according to the mayor of kyiv, explosions went off near the center of the city in an area that includes the historic old town as well as several government offices. the number of casualties not yet clear. ukrainian media is reporting explosions in several other cities, including lviv, which has been seen as a refuge for many people fleeing fighting. air-raid sirens sounding in every region of ukraine, except russia annexed crimea for four straight hours, and yesterday,

russia also launched a missile attack that hit a residential building in zaporizhzhia, killing at least 13 people and injuring dozens more. at least ten children were hurt in the attack. according to the ukrainian air force, six missiles were reportedly launched from russian occupied areas in the city. the city is one of four regions in ukraine that russia illegally claimed to annex. on his telegram account this morning, president volodymyr zelenskyy said quote, they are trying to destroy us and wipe us off the face of the earth. nbc news correspondent, cal perry is in kyiv with the very latest. >> it was at 8:15 this morning, when we first heard the series of loud explosions in and around downtown kyiv. it was one of three waves of rockets hitting this capital area, at least eight people are dead at this hour. more than a dozen wounded. again, just in the city of kyiv and you can expect those numbers

likely to rise, but these were strikes across the country at least 85 different rockets or drones impacting sites. we understand that, according to the ukrainian defense ministry from the east to the west in the eastern city of kharkiv. five explosions reported on the ground there. and all the way west in the city of lviv, a city that has managed to basically stay clear of this war for so many months, hit by rockets. the power is out there at the moment. back here in the capital for the first time in six months, the streets are deserted. the subways are filled is civilians taking cover. the mayor says he does not know if the attacks are over. he wants people to shelter in place, and the anticipation that these attacks again, across the country, could continue. mika. >> cal perry, thank you. joe, it seems the russians are flailing. >> they are, and again, it comes

down to the fact that they can't succeed on the battlefield so they randomly killed civilians. they effectively have become terrorists who will launch random attacks on civilians, killed little children, kill other people because they can't win on the battlefield. let's bring around professor of international politics at the fletcher school of law and diplomacy at tufts university, daniel drezner, thank you so much for being with us. you had an important column talking about the concerns that we have to walk a tight rope as we move forward, and i'm wondering your thoughts on the fact that chances are good if you look at the training we have given the ukrainians, the weapons systems, things aren't going to get better for the russian army. what happens if they continue to collapse.

>> what happens if they begin to collapse is among other things, ukraine starts moving in on all of the loss that russia annexed illegally, and potentially threatens crimea. if putin realizes he's losing worse than he is now, does he escalate. it seems at this point throughout this war vladimir putin has been basically good at only two things, right, issuing nuclear threats and killing ukrainian civilians, and so if he's continuing to be on the offensive, does he continue to ratchet up nuclear threats to try and coerce ukraine and/or nato into standing down or does he choose to use a weapon as a way of trying to demonstrate that he has escalation dominance. go ahead. >> i'm sorry, dan, we have a slight delay and you paused, i

apologize. i'm curious. if he continues to lose, if the russians continue to lose land in the east, which they likely will do. if they continue to lose land in the south, which they most likely will do, and winter sets in, the question is what do we do? what do our diplomats do? again, i think most americans want to see ukraine prevail. they want ukraine to get their seized land back. and at the same time, we've all been talking for some time about a cornered putin is a dangerous putin. i suspect things are going to get worse. this is starting to look a little bit like 1914. what does the state department do. what does the west do, what do our diplomats do? >> i think there's two things that the diplomats can start preparing for, the first is to try to make it clear what russia should be doing in a post loss in ukraine. in other words, we need to make

it clear that while we absolutely support ukraine and we want russia out of ukraine, we don't want the end of russia because that's not feasible under any circumstances and also it's not practical, so the idea that if russia pulls out of ukraine that's somehow an existential blow to russia is something putin has said repeatedly as a way to ramp up the stakes of the conflict. one thing u.s. diplomats need to do is send the opposite message, if russia pulls out of ukraine, they're the largest country in the world by size. they're still going to have a seat on the u.n. security council. they're still going to be an energy power that in fact, this was a really dumb war of choice on their part. the other thing that we need to do, i think, and i certainly hope that u.s. diplomats are doing this now, is starting to game out the what response will be if putin decides because he's

lose to go escalate in any way, with respect to killing more civilians. there are a lot of fence sitters out there. china, india, the gulf states and the question is, trying to figure out what are the red lines at which even these countries will say, okay, this has gone too far. we obviously need to send a message that he can't go any further than this. and those are negotiations that should obviously take place behind closed doors and we don't know the extent to which they're going on. one would hope you can ring fence putin as he gets more desperate. one way u.s. officials are trying to suggest to russia it's not an existential threat is to how angry they were with the ukrainians. they have concluded that car bombing in moscow that killed the daughter of a russian nationalist. i want to press further about the idea of how to engage with a post war russia. the whole world is not abandoned russia. they haven't gotten the help they would have liked from china or india.

a lot of the countries are standing by, willing to play ball with russia economically. how do the u.s. convince europe and particularly ukraine to coexist with a russia post war if putin's still in charge? >> with europe, that's not going to be that hard. they have been having to do this for quite some time. with ukraine, it's the reality of the fact that it's not like ukraine is suddenly going to be able to send tanks into moscow. they don't lack the capacity to get rid of vladimir putin. i think the better way to talk to ukraine is simply say that if putin loses this war, it is a legitimate question how long he stays in power in russia. the fact that you're already seeing this much internal discord within moscow because of what has happened, the loss is on the battlefield, the attack on the bridge in crimea suggests that he's going to have to focus on a lot more of consolidating

his domestic support. the simple fact is there is no way that any outside actor can depose putin, and that's just a reality that we have to face. and further more, i think any attempt to do so would actually backfire, so the -- it's just a reality that putin, if he manages to stay in power is just going to be a fact of life, and then the question becomes, again, how do you ring fence him, make sure that, you know, ukraine feels more secure, one way is to accept him into the european union, and i think you have to think of accepting him into nato, frankly. >> and dan, finally, this brings up the difficult question of china. obviously our relations with china at a low right now. but do we become far more pragmatic with the chinese in asking their help to end this war because, again, with all the problems that we have with

china, we're talking about the possibility of major escalation in russia, and wouldn't it take china along with india, to perhaps blunt some of the worst reactions of vladimir putin? >> i would go further, you can argue that china is the most important actor in terms of potentially constraining vladimir putin. you have to engage pragmatically. it's worth remembering, china does what it does to act in its own interests. it's not in china's interest to see a further escalation. it's not in china's interest to see nuclear weapons being used on the battlefield. this isn't a case where the united states needs to make concessions in order to get china to play ball. china is going to want to constrain putin to some extent. i don't think this is a case where the united states needs to somehow, you know, make concessions on let's say trade

or semiconductors of what have you. it's more, if this is china's own interest, how can the u.s. and china work jointly to make sure putin is constrained. >> professor of international politics at tufts university, daniel drezner, thank you very much for coming on this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," arizona's republican gubernatorial candidate kari lake is kicked out of the audience at a town hall event at a stunt meant to throw off her democratic opponent. von hillier will join us with the latest. and the democratic candidate trying to unseat elise stefanik, the number three house republican. former cia officer matt castelli will be our guest. and the time when extremism at an all time high, inspired by

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challenging and volatile times in american history. but our next guest says this isn't the first time that domestic extremism has ran rampant with a presidential candidate leading the charge to lock up his opponents and shut down media outlets. joining us now, we have historian, adam hochschild, his new book "american midnight," thank you so much for being on the show. congratulations on the book, and take us back to the crisis before this crisis. >> well, thanks, mika. it's great to be with you. the book that i wrote "american midnight" is about what i think of as the trumpiest time in american history before trump. roll the clock back a century to the years 1917 to '21, and you'll find a lot of things

going on then that feel eerily familiar today. one thing, for example, was that there was a torrent of outrage against immigrants and refugees, and up to the very last minute, the leading republican and democratic candidates for nomination for president in 1920 were running on platforms of mass deportations. another similarity you mentioned, wanting to lock people up, you know, in 2016 trump's followers shouted about hillary, lock her up, lock her up, woodrow wilson did one better, he did lock up his opponents. eugene bebbs, the former socialist candidate for president was sentenced to ten years in prison, and during those years, and it's incredible to think of this number, more than 1,000 americans spent a year or more in prison and a far larger number shorter periods of

time solely for things that they wrote or said. and furthermore, trump hated dissenting media, but the wilson administration went to war against it. they started a censorship program which shut down 75 american newspapers and magazines. >> so reverend al, you can take the next question, but you have to go back a hundred years, that's definitely disturbing in terms of the setbacks that we're seeing today. >> and what is disturbing is that for a season succeeded back 100 years. let me ask you this, as you did your study, i know that we have always heard wilson played the film in the white house of the ku klux klan and had racism as acceptable. was this part of what was the winning strategy for him that he

was able to rally? i mean, was it successful is what i'm saying, and when did it begin to kind of edge out? >> it was very much a part of his strategy. wilson was a southerner. if you read the books of history that he wrote during the many years he was a college professor, he takes a startling benign view of slavery, telling you that the slaves were really pretty happy, they rather liked it, and i think often the significance in what a president does is what he doesn't say, and the year 1919 in particular saw an -- i don't need to tell you, reverend, saw really the worst racial violence in the united states since the immediate aftermath of slavery. the estimates are that close to a thousand people were killed, almost all of them black, wilson said one sentence about it all

while it was going on. so essentially he gave the nod for these kinds of racial killings to continue. >> certainly also at the time made global conflict and a pandemic, so there are plenty of echoes here, professor. so walk us through some of the other characters we should know, wilson of course is the most obvious center piece of the book and the trump parallels. are there echoes in history of time that you write about of other people that have parallels today. >> there are fascinating people. history is composed of people. i'm always looking for lively characters, and there's no shortage of them. wilson was president, of course, and he let me just say a little bit more about him. he was the most solemn dignified professorial of presidents, to

me is a lesson, terrible things don't necessarily have to happen under a loud mouth demagogue, they can happen after somebody who looks very gentile, you know, one of wilson's opponents during this period was theodore roosevelt who was not president but very much wanted to be, and was storming and ranting and very trumpian fashion,menting the u.s. to fight the war harder and suppress dissidence harder, these two men loathed each other, which makes it fun to write about, and there were some brave people as well, you know, who spoke out against the u.s. entering the first world war, which they recognized at the time this was a war that was going to remake the world for the worst in every possible way. emma goldman, the anarchist leader, kate richards o'hare. a socialest party, a wonderful

woman named marie eckwy, a doctor in portland, oregon, a women's right activist, kept being arrested by police when she spoke for these causes and she finally realized the one place they couldn't arrest her was the top of a telephone pole so she borrowed a lineman's cramp ones, climbed to the top of the telephone pole, gave her speech and only then were they able to arrest her. when you've got characters like this, you've got a lively patch of history. >> you've got a great book. adam hochschild, "american midnight a great war, violent peace and democracy's forgotten crisis," thank you very much. and coming up, she integrated the university of georgia, reflecting on 50 years of reporting on the black experience here in the u.s. and around the world.

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how much their accident case is worth.h barnes. t ouour juryry aorneneys hehelpou have the majority. they could stop this crime today. some people say, well, they're soft on crime. no, they're not soft on crime. they're pro crime. they want crime. they want crime because they want to take over what you got. they want to control what you got. they want reparations because they think the people that do the crime, they are not owed that. >> we have prosecutors, county attorneys and mayors who are releasing violent criminals back on the street. >> congressman, there is a different way to say that, i mean, most people heard those comments and felt not just polite, but a lot of people heard those comments as being racist. >> yeah, that's not the way i

present things. we got to be honest that we have a crime problem in our country. >> do you feel as though those comments cross a racial liberia. >> i'm not going to say he's being racist. >> republican congressman don bacon of nebraska saying that the problem with those comments from republican senator tommy tuberville was that they just weren't polite. joining us now, award winning journalist charlayne hunter-gault, her new book is entitled my people, five decades of writing about black lives and it chronicles her storied career as a journalist, reporting on black people from around the world. it's great to have you on the show. congratulations on the book. i want to ask you about it, and i want to start right there, though, with the comments that we were just talking about. the racism coming from the republican party whether it be in subtle ways, propping up herschel walker or in more

blatant ways as we heard from senator tommy tuberville, as the author of "my people," what are your concerns about your people in terms of the political atmosphere? >> well, it's very nice to be with you, i really appreciate it. i enjoy your show. you know, part of my job is to do sort of what you do which is to look at things and try to analyze them. so i'm not going to comment on what the various political people are saying about what's going on politically in the country now. but what i think is very important for those of us and at this age, 80, i still -- >> amazing. >> -- can do a little reporting. and so i talk to people. and i talk to all kinds of people. i wish actually that i could talk to some even more people like those who just interviewed

because my problem with what i'm hearing from a lot of people is that they don't have the facts. and they don't have the context and they don't have the history. the and so that is what i'm hoping my book will do. >> will be able to at least sit down and listen. >> i think the history is what is mising in a lot of these comments. >> so, rev, to her point, the disinformation is really exacerbated people that have a lack of historical context. the specific mindedness or lack thereof. for a lot of even sitting members of congress and what we just saw with a sitting senator. >> if you don't have historical

context, you deal with operating out of context. and i think a lot of them missed that. but charlene, as we look back, i will -- i tell everybody everywhere that charlene huntergof was the one when she wrote the first "new york times" story when i was 16 years old. i was a youth director. i started a youth group. i did a kwanzaa celebration in harlem. and she wrote the first "new york times" piece on me. i still have it. and i don't care what anybody says, she knows history because she wrote about me before anybody thought i was only 16. but i raise that to say also you lived in and wrote and was in my opinion the preeminent writer at that time from "the new york times" perch. during the '68 to '72 wave of where we were dealing with everyone from george wallace running for president to adam

power still in congress in harlem. what can we learn from that period? give us the historic context of that national political convention and what we can glean from that that can guide us from where we are now in this era of trump and et cetera? i don't think anyone could tell us more than you because you have the front seat and wrote it and told it like it was then and now. >> well. i followed you and i watched what you have done. and i think that it's been very good for my people and other people. although the book concentrates on people of color, black people for the most part, you know, it's about people. and as i follow you through your career, you never let go. you never put your feet anywhere than on the ground.

and it remind me of something the late julian bond included in my book told an audience in new york when i had left "the new york times" and working for the new yorker. and he said we have achieved on a national level, now it's time for you to go back into your communities, put your feet on the ground and help educate people about what is about -- what is going on in our country. >> sometimes we need to give our people, all of our people, the kind of education that they need to make this well, a more perfect union. you see those words, a more perfect union indicates that we all have to keep our feet in the street. i was covering you on my

typewriters. we didn't have cell phones, thank goodness. we didn't have computers. but we had people who were making news and good things and saying the right things. and so i think that that's what we have to do. all of us. those of us who are journalists and as you know, local newspapers, news organizations are going away. and we've got to get people to support. i know after all these years, you probably made a little money. so let's put it into local journalism so that our local people can have the information they need to put their feet in the street. >> let me pick up on that exact topic, the importance of journalism. you look back on your career here and the decades you've been doing it. institution like so many others under attack. so many americans can't even agree on the same set of facts. everything is looked through a partisan lens. and according to polling, the media is never trusted less. how can we in an industry that

is under assault both financially and rhetorically, how can we do our job? how important is it? >> you have to keep on keeping on. you have to do what you do on msnbc. wish other networks could learn from you and you could learn from them. we can learn from each other. but look at our history. because our history is -- takes us on a path that is not perfect. but it gives lessons. and i'm encouraging journalists on the ground. i had great journalist recently on a program i did for henry lewis gates at the harvard school. she came from miami. she had covered the people who were opposed to teaching black -- some black history people. and she was very good on it. yet, she didn't depart from her role as a journalist. but she had talked to these

people who are opposed to teaching black history. and so i think that we need journalists like her. we need journalists like all of you to give context to our life in this country. because we can save this country and have it be what it intended to be. i'll come back on the program and talk about how successful we've been. >> i love it. charlene hunter gault. my people, decades of writing about black lives. thank you for coming on this morning. still ahead, the latest on a growing humanitarian crisis in new york as city officials are scrambling to find housing for thousands of migrants who have been bussed to new york city from the border. and we'll be joined by a former cia officer during the trump administration who says the

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i think this is part of the donald trump hangover. we can never get to this place again as republicans. this is a horrible place to be in georgia and other parts of the country. this should be a lay-up in the house and senate and tracking in

2024 to be able to step up to the plate and put the president forward. yet, we continue to have to deal with donald trump. >> georgia's republican lieutenant governor jeff duncan speaking out about the republican party and against his party's senate nominee in the state. saying the former star running back has not earned my vote. we'll have the new developmented in the scandal surrounding herschel walker. what do you make of these comments, joe, by this lieutenant governor kind of speaking the truth to the power in his party. >> the georgia lieutenant governor has been doing that for some time. and it's so interesting that the republicans are politically shooting themselves in the foot. this is a race, for instance, i know it is seen as just a almost a sin politically for

republicans for the base. the if they put the lieutenant governor in the election, he would probably be 5, six, seven, eight points ahead right now. they found the least qualified candidate they could find in the state of georgia among all of the republican lekted officials. they could have chose for. of i must say right now, rev, that the lieutenant governor is saying what every republican is thinking. in the state of georgia. even if they're still coming to support him. you know, they would like, i'm sure if, they could take walker's name off the ballot right now, and put somebody else's on so they would have a better chance of winning that seat, they would have. but the whole republican apparatus, they got behind walker and you have to say if walker could -- if there were a

device, we would get walker off the ballot. not only for republicans but good for republicans, it would be good for herschel walker. an herschel walker's family, whoever they are, wherever they are. this is a guy who not only in the past threatened to kill somebody else, kill a member of his family, he also almost took his life. he's not mentally well. he deserves our prayers. we need to keep him in our prayers and certainly all those who have been victimized by him throughout his life. but this is, again, it just seems heartless that donald trump put somebody this ill equipped and someone with mental difficulties, motional difficulties, running. it's mind boggling. you know republicans are thinking the same thing that the lieutenant governor is saying.

they're just not saying it. i would say most republicans in the political community is thinking the same thing that just not saying it. but, you know, when i look at georgia and, like i said earlier, we have an office down there. it is the home of the civil rights movement. and to think of the embarrass of people like dr. king's family to see this guy erode in public his son having to come out against him. that is the worst thing in the world for us to have to look at this and say did dr. king die for this? did goodman die for this? the bigger picture is what i'm looking at here.

it is the ultimate disrespect for donald trump to say here's a black guy. run him because i'm telling you to run him. don't vet him. don't worry about any of that. this is the most striking about this. there were many credible republican black that's they could have run if they wanted to run a black. about it to just do this is insulting. >> when you put it in historical context, it makes it, if possible, even more painful to look at this candidacy and watch the disappointment that he creates among the people in his life. it's sad. nbc's chief washington correspondent has the latest on the allegations surrounding georgia's republican candidate for senate. >> a republican rally this morning behind embattled georgia senate hopeful herschel walker.

strict anti-abortion candidate denying explosive accusations he paid for an abortion for an exgirlfriend in 2009. top senators rick scott and tom cotton now set to head to georgia tomorrow to build support for walker and the senate's campaign arm ad more money to the state. they hope that they will take back control of the senate after the midterms. a source telling nbc news that other senators want to join them on the trail too. now new revelations about text messages initiated by walker's wife julie to the woman who alleges he paid for her abortion. in a text exchange, the woman says walker suggests she terminate another preg nonyears later but refused. writing to walker's wife, did you know herschel paid for my abortion the first time? or that he told me it wasn't the right time to have their now 10-year-old child? julie walker could not be reached for comment.

but walker's campaign provided copies of the messages to nbc news. and in a short off camera interview, the candidate says he confirmed the woman's identity for the first time in those texts on friday. and nbc news is withholding the woman and her son's name. she provided "the daily beast" a copy of the check she says walker gave her for the procedure but nbc news has not independently confirmed that reporting. walker himself has denied paying for or knowing about the abortion. >> it's a lie. >> and republicans aren't just rallying for walker, big gop names showing up in key states as part of a midterm push. >> thank you very much. including president trump in nevada. tommy tuberville who made these controversial comments criticized by some as racist and talking about democrats and crime. >> they want crime because they want to take over what you got. they want to control what you have. they want reparation because they think that people do the crime are owed that.

bull. [ beep ] >> we'ring to a candidate in just a moment. my lord. my lord. that just blatant racism. and he's got to know -- >> he does. >> he does. >> he knows. and people have been bringing this up all weekend. >> they're successful, what are you thinking about this? if you're represented by him in the state of alabama, what you are thinking? again, nobody's being morally self righteous here or being a prude politically. >> this is just out and out

racism, the sort of racism that would have gotten somebody shunned from the republican party when i was there. i heard republican members of the house and senate say things far less egregious than this who were pushed to the side. my god, you can even look at kevin mccarthy's republican party and see what they did to steve king who did far less than this. he was stripped of the committees. he was shunned by the republican party. he was defeated in a primary. this shows you how quickly things have changed. and jonathan, the fact that you have rick scott saying that herschel walker is fighting for georgia values, given the fact that republican knows rick scott knows what he represent right now to voters. if you look at the last couple of weeks on the campaign trail are abortions he denied.

abandoned children that he denied. mothers of those abandoned children that he said didn't even exist. and lies. he was caught. he did it just last week. lying about a woman who she says forced her to have one abortion in she wouldn't have the second abortion, well, he broke up with her. and then said last week to shawn hannity and also on "fox & friends," you know what? they didn't know what they were talking about. they were just making this up. this woman doesn't exist. and then she goes to "the new york times" and says really? well here is the text that's i've had with his wife and here the child support payments that he's been paying me. i exist. his child exists. he can't lie his way out of this one. and rick scott says that's georgia values? what about people in georgia? i wonder what voters in georgia think about that?

>> we'll find out in one month and a day how they feel about that. but you're right. a couple points. what is outraging many of us, the unending lies from walker. that doesn't seem to bother the republican party. we know historians changed a number of times in recent days. yet, just yesterday rick scott and tom cotton announced they're going to head to georgia to campaign for walker. i think it shows two things. the governing should be put in quotes. it's about wing. making mitch mcconnell the majority leader rather than minority. they're willing to unsavory characters they're willing to associate with. kanye west used blatantly anti-semitic language. there is a twitter account with the house republican party that has kanye still in it endorsing him. it was before kanye's meltdown.

they have not deleted it. it's about kanye west, elon musk and the others that are inflammatory figures they think own the libs and still backing it. this is who the republican party has become in 2022. >> i saw the praising of kanye and the house judiciary committee. and i was thinking, i served on the judiciary committee under henry hyde. i wonder what henry hyde would be thinking about the endorsement of kanye west as -- and keeping a sweet up. again, a tweet that was meant not to push a policy position but to, quote, own the libs. it really -- it's just stunning. i'm sure a lot of people have issues with henry hichltd if you do, that is making my point even as stronger point.

henry hyde would be deeply offended by this. and, you know, henry hyde, you know, he actually, the judiciary committee, he constantly was lecturing us. get along with democrats. don't fight democrats. if they attack you, if they call you racist, don't take the bait. argue facts. don't get personal. it's something, you know, he took me to the side several times. he said, joe, will you please, don't take the bait. argue policy. let's have a little bit of decorum here. well, you know you're right. even after an anti-set emic attack, keeping up kanye's name because that matters less than owning the libs. i understand it. it's politics. but there are times where you

say, listen, let's stop doubling down on this guy. he's got serious problems. he's had serious emotional problems. he's had serious mental health care problems. and it's just melting down. let's double our efforts in nevada. let's double down our efforts in ohio. let's double down our efforts in pennsylvania. fedderman is not looking as strong as he did two weeks ago. let's double down in wisconsin. they're throwing good money after bad. they're going to lose georgia. i'd be stunned if they didn't lose georgia. yet they keep coming out. tom cotton coming down. really? are you kidding me, to endorse this guy?

then you have the head of the republican party saying herschel walker represents georgia values. it's no the necessary. republicans can focus on races where they don't have to put themselves out this politically. >> these are the same republicans who won't recognize the january 6th attack on the capitol as something that was significant. there are those who were deeply and personally offended by what happened on our assault of our democracy. and one of those people is matt castelli, former cia officer. he is from the national security council under president trump. he says the attack on the capitol motivated him to leave his job but a health care company and run for public office. he is now challenging the number three house republican for her

seat in new york's 21st district. he also created the moderate party of new york which will appear with his name on the november ballot. and matt joins us now. you worked in the national security council under trump and obama, former cia officer. so tell us about january 6th. how did that impact you? were you watching on television? >> i was. it was disheartening to say the least to see this assault against a building and the largest assault against law enforcement in our nation's history. i spent 15 years of the cia protecting our democracy, our freedom from international terrorists and extremism. to be embolden by folks like the congresswoman. she is now the chief defender of january 6th.

the reason why we have this on going threat can largely be tied to her. it was her actions and the th, stabbing liz cheney in the back to take her position to create the messaging going forward and embracing this agenda that close this is ebb during threat to democracy. >> so how is it campaigning? >> you have a sense of the disinformation out there. what is it like on the campaign trail trying to convince voters of what you're trying to say? >> there's, i think, people are tired. tired of the extremism and the -- >> are they hearing you? >> we're building a strong coalition. independents and republicans as well. we have a lot of republicans supporting our campaign that don't feel like they have a home in this wing that he is leading. they have a sense of political homelessness. we're creating this coalition

that can really build together this repudiation of the division and extremism that we're seeing manifested on days like january 6th, the embrace and support for candidates like herschel walker. and this is an opportunity for us to come together to start solving problems in this country. >> so a close trump ally and defender. you mentioned she is now the number three republican in the house. that's a pretty lofty perch. democrats don't think she can get beaten. they haven't been all that helpful you to to this point. make your case to change that. >> yeah. well, i think the national democrats are focused on trying to defend their majority. i'm trying to defend our democracy. and we have a tremendous opportunity here. this district is a moderate district. stefanic was once a moderate. so embrace the far right is a new phenomenon that voters haven't had an opportunity to

see except like in this election. and right now we're seeing folks coming to our campaign, again, not just democrats, but independents and republicans as well, joining forces. she understands how much of a threat we pose to her as well. she is refusing to debate us. she certainly putting up attack ads right now. she understands i'm the strongest challenger she ever faced. we have an opportunity to be the front line in the battle for the souls of america is right here. >> let me ask you this based on your law enforcement background. the fact that we have been talking a lot this morning about the racial language that tuberville has made, senator john kennedy and louisiana also. when you look at the fact three weeks ago anti-defamation league, urban league, all of that. what the president had a hate crime summit. do you think any of this rhetoric feeds into those that will go out and do hate crimes?

i mean, we see the increase of hate crimes. do they in many ways normalize this to where you have the people that feel they have the right to go to blacks, jews, asians, does this raise the stakes of danger of thisser aare a based on who they are? >> absolutely. we saw it in buffalo. that was a terrorist attack. it was inspired by the same extremist rhetoric of great replacement theory that she put forward. the major difference we have right now from decades of past about domestic extreme six and terrorism is you have members, senior leaders of a political party mainstreaming rhetoric, the same rhetoric that can lead to extreme violence. >> okay. democratic nominee, matt castelli. thank you. nice to meet you. good luck. still ahead on "morning joe,"

we'll go to arizona. the election denying republican candidate for governor is kicked out of the audience at a political vent. we'll explain why. plus, former president donald trump's new comments about the mar-a-lago documents case. he's now demanding the fbi return everything it took in its search because "it's mine". but hasn't he been saying the fbi planted the evidence? so is it his or did they plant it? i'm completely confused. we'll try to figure out which one it is. plus, a check on the market avs last week's strong jobs number. some new key economic data expected this week. including a key report on inflation. also ahead, we explain how internal russian politics led to the carnage we saw today in ukraine. how it could lead to more civilian deaths. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. "morning jo" we'll be right back.

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go on simultaneously. one is the attacks on ukraine. to break their will. ukraine is a society that kind of tasted normalcy after months of war. so i think this is psychologically tough on them. secondly, he wants to break the back of europe. support the ukraine through the natural gas shutoffs. and third, he wants to weaken our will through the threats of nuclear escalation. so all of this, again, is an indirect strategy to weaken ukraine and design support for ukraine because direct strategy prevailing on the battlefield is something he's tried and after six months i think the evidence is in. he cannot succeed by going down that path. >> you know, you can't. you don't have to be a military strategist or a graduate of west point to understand the russians are going to keep losing on the battlefield. there is a momentum right now if you look at what is happening, it does seem that the train that

the troops got after 2014 from the united states, the weapons coming in from the west. just pushed this to, you know, advantage ukraine. and it's going to continue that way. with that in mind, where do we go next? they're going to keep making fields on the battlefield. are they limited in trying to kill civilians with missile attacks? that's where we were months ago. my guess, the short answer is, yes. you know, russia will be more in defensive positions in the east and south. less difficult to hold defensive positions than it is to carry out offensive operations. but my short answer to what you just raised is that's one of the reasons i think this is likely to be a long conflict. again, there is no basis for peace talks now for the foreseeable future. ukraine will gradually make some progress on the battlefield. russia will do what kit to limit that progress and more important again, russia is going to continue to try to weaken

support for ukraine by going after energy supplies, threatening nukes or now attacking cities. so that is what we're likely to see. i think both sides in a sense, joe, can sustain this. this war has been going on since 2014. p it's going to go through the winter. it may dial down in intensity. we all ought to psychologically and politically prepare ourselves for a long struggle. >> coming up, a look at how republicans continue to rally around georgia senate nominee herschel walker amid allegations he paid for an exgirlfriend area abortion. and that's not all of it. "morning joe" is coming right bag. joe" is coming right bag. quality healthcare goes beyond prescriptions and procedures. it's about making people feel ca no one knows that better than physician associates because we don't just see patien

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terminate a second pregnancy two years later. walker's former girlfriend tells "the new york times" that in 2011 she went against the former college football star's wishes and had they're now 10-year-old son. so another kid that he didn't recognize. she claims walker has had little to do with the child since aside from sending child support payments and occasional gifts. in a series of text messages between julie walker and the woman, walker's wife insists she was unaware that he paid for the first abortion or that he pushed to have a second abortion as well. the text messages were provided to nbc news by the walker campaign and after previously saying he did not know the identity of the woman making the

claims. >> do you know the woman that is making this allegation? >> i have no idea. but it is a flat out lie. >> you have figured out who it is? >> not at all. >> walker now tells nbc news that he just learned her identity on friday. he now acknowledges he fathered a child with the woman but still denies he paid for her to have an abortion. more republicans are throwing support behind herschel walker. the latest, rick scott and tom cotton who will travel to the southern state to campaign for walker tomorrow. >> wow. wow. >> in a statement to nbc new -- >> tom cotton is going?

i expect rick scott. but tom cotton is going to campaign for this guy? >> yeah. absolutely. so anyhow, writing in part, they picked the wrong georgian to mess with. i am proud to stand with herschel walker. and make sure georgians know he'll always fight to protect them from the forces trying to destroy georgia values. >> thut is out. this is not about. >> it's on positive vibes. >> rick scott just said for the people of georgia, listen up, rick scott just said that georgia values is holding a gun to a woman's head and saying you're going to pull the trigger

and kill her? that's what rick scott says. rick scott says georgia values is having four children that you abandon. four children that you do not raise? four that we know so far. four that you do not raise? he says that georgia values are lying? and in real time, we saw on this show when this woman was brought up. walker, it's like she doesn't exist. i don't know who this person is. and then we find out that walker says to georgia voters, a politician lying through his teeth about abortions, a politician lying through his teeth about children he's a father of who he abandoned four children? he says a woman doesn't exist. at the same time the woman is texting his wife.

at the same time the woman is talking to "the new york times." at the same time, the woman is saying not only did i have one abortion because he pressured me to do it, he wanted me to have a second abortion and i refused to do it. walker says this woman doesn't exist but in 2014 he started paying child support for the child that his girlfriend refused to abort. >> when you see all of this, you see the lying going on in real time, you see the abandonment of four children. you understand what peggy nunan roet when she said republicans don't understand what's the central crisis for this campaign. it's not the abortions. >> nope. >> it's not that he's made mistakes in the past. >> nope. >> peggy says what i think most

people say. we're all humans. we all sin. we all make mistakes. peggy says, though, that's not the problem. the problem is that he is abandoned four children. and one of those children started all this by coming out saying he refused to be a dad. to any of us. he just continued going out there having sex with other women instead of being our dad. and this is what rick scott -- and this is the republican -- this really is the republican point at its lowest point. i think even more than the access hollywood tape. rick scott talks about georgia values and says he's coming in to endorse a guy who's abandoned four children, paid for abortions, lied about the abortions, put a gun up to a

woman's head. said he was going to kill her. never denied that. but in this campaign, he is just lying through his teeth. and even as peggy says, if you put that all to the side, this may be in our lifetime, i would guess peggy's and mine, speaking for myself here, the least, the single least qualified candidate for the united states senate that i've ever seen. win his or her party's nomination. and the republicans like tom cotton who so morally self righteous. rushing in to go, yes, i'm proud , i'm proud to support this guy. we've all sinned.

we're all fallen short of the glory of god. jesus tells us that. that is not the breaking news. the breaking news is he is still lying about the abortions. he's still lying about the children he abandoned. he still lying about these women who are saying he abused them or neglected their children. this is what rick scott supports. this is what tom cotton supports. this is what the republican party in 2022 supports. and i've never seen anything like it. >> coming up, democrats in tight midterm races are trying to preempt republican attacks that the party is soft on crime. nbc's reporter joins us to break down how the issue could play out ahead of november. "morning joe" is coming right back. " is coming right back

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you know, most of my life and i talked about this good bit left but i've been hearing from people and teachers in middle school, high school, hearing from professors in college that the united states was in collapse. the economy is going down. the 50s and 60s, the soviets were going to overtake us in the 70s, 80s. it was japan. it's been china over the past 20 years. right now jobs numbers are out on friday. the best jobs numbers matched the best jobs numbers over the past half century. the dollar stronger than at any time in the past half century. you compare the united states economy right now to any economy across the world, any other country, the leader would take our economy in a second. and yet the stock market keeps falling.

why? one word. inflation. to break down the numbers, let's bring in former treasury official and "morning joe" analyst, steve ratner. great jobs numbers. the dollar is extraordinarily strong. our economy both said relative to the rest of the world, much better than other countries. at the same time, though, it's, i guess, because i'm always looking at the positive when it comes to u.s. economy, i guess the bad news is that at least for the fed and for people in the market is our economy is so resilient. our economy is so strong that the fed just can't tamp it down. so they're going to have to keep raising interest rates which, of course, is bad for the stock market. take us through it. >> that's be exactly what is going on. we can start with the jobs numbers. as you said, the democrats have a strong argument for the fall

about what is going on in the real economy in terms of jobs. we had 263,000 jobs created last month. you can see that in the first chart on the left. a very strong jobs creation. we have unemployment at the lowest it's been since the 1960s. you can see that in the yellow bar there. 3.5%. and the problem is that the numbers came in a bit better than expected. you may think that is good news. but it it's bad news which i'll get to in a second. you see the little red bars at the top of the yellow bars showing you that what the expectation was and the fact that both of those numbers came in a bit better. and then the other number which we watch very carefully is how many americans are actually out in the labor force looking for work or working. the labor force dispags. and you can see that tick down a little bit last month, contrary to expectations of it remaining flat. and that is bad news because it means that americans are still not coming back into the labor

force to the extent that we want them to and expect them to as the economy recovers. we can debate why that is. but few americans in the labor force means more pressure on wages means more inflation as i'll talk about in a second. >> all right. take us through the next chart. >> so the next chart gets -- we talked about the ying, here's the yang. wages falling behind inflation. and so the yellow in the middle is the difference between wages and inflation. you can see on the left before the pandemic that wages were outpacing inflation. the economy was doing really well. american's real income is going up. then you can see on the right that inflation which is the red line kind of took over. and they got above the black line which is wage increases. and so this is the gap in there, that whole yellow area is the extent to which americans are falling behind because of inflation in higher than wages. the problem is the only way we know to tamp down inflation is to get wage growth to come down a bit.

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in iran, over the weekend, at least two more people were killed in protest as the nation continues to be rocked by the fallout after a young woman died in custody of the morality police. nbc's tehran bureau chief ali arouzi has the latest. >> reporter: protests and

violence continue to flare. over the weekend, protests with anti-government slogans. saturday night, the flagship news program on iran's state broadcast apparently hacked. on sunday at a university in tehran, students painted their hands red in a show of solidarity for students that had been arrested or injured since the unrest began. demonstrations are being led by determined young iranians, much of the time women, even schoolgirls joining in on the streets, on campuses, and even in the schoolyard. the state department sending a strong message to tehran. >> we continue to have tools in our tool belt to hold the iranian regime accountable. >> reporter: the women are facing off with security forces and continuously challenging, waving in the air on the streets, weaving through traffic while being supported by the endless honking of car horns and

the rally cry of these protests, women like this. still seething not only over the death of mahsa amini who died after being arrested by the police but also now focusing on the deaths of two other girls. authorities deny involvement in their deaths. a human rights group says two people were killed over the weekend. authorities deny any involvement. the scope and duration of these protests not just catching the government off guard but rocking their foundations. >> that's nbc's ali arouzi with that report. our next guest has the new piece on knowyourvalue.com about how the fight for freedom, equality, and power is fundamental to democracy not just for iranian women but for everyone, and even true here in the u.s. joining us now the co-founder and ceo of "all in together," lawrence o'donnell leader. on that piece and on the

conversation we were having before we came back on the air, there is such a link that you say between authoritarianism and how women are treated. >> one of the activist who is's helping to animate the iranian protests from afar said that the hijab is the berlin wall. when it comes down, the entire system crumbles. what iranian women understand is the fight for their rights and equality, their human rights is ultimately a fight for democracy in iran, but that's true everywhere because autocracy really thrives, patriarchy thrives in misogyny. we soo that in the united states, so many of the folks who are election deniers who have supported the january 6th insurrection are also people who demonstrate incredible tendencies towards misogyny towards women, herschel walker being the latest one. it's not an accident that the

same man who held a gun to his wife's head is also somebody who supports trump and refuses to acknowledge the election. that's true around the world to, that strong men thrive on patriarchy. >> the backdrop to that candidacy is women losing the right to an abortion for the first time in 50 yearyears. >> the rollback of women's rights here is concerning. it's tied -- many of us understand how profound the rollback of abortion rights is after dobbs for imto live in this society. that undermines democracy. ultimately, women's full and equal participation in society at every level including bodily autonomy is equivalent to democracy functioning. >> and women bearing the brunt of the pandemic, societal changes as well. there's been anecdotal thoughts, democrats saying women are

registering to vote in untold numbers. is that going to happen? is that going to fall through with a push for midterm elections, which by any measure, raise that? >> right. i've talked on the show about our polling around this and how galvanizing the dobbs issue has been for women and the kls kst vote as a potential bellwether. the polls continue to show that abortion is not the top issue for voters. the economy continues to be. but in places around the country where there are very thin margins, where the turnout of independent women just even a marginal increase in the turnout of young women, black voters, that can have a hugely transformative effect on the outcomes of the election. i think, and our polls continue to show this, this is a transformational issue in american politics, as it should be. >> the thing that speaks to me from what you are saying is i'm hearing both in the faith community and the black community misogyny becoming the -- becoming more acceptable.

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