good to be with you. i'm katy tur. the midterms are four weeks away. we're taking a look at what

issues have sticking power. because there are indicators the momentum might be shifting again. from georgia, to arizona, democrats are placing it all on abortion. candidates with a full-page newspaper ads, and pouring millions into commercials splashing across tv screens trying to remind everyone especially women every single day what could happen if republicans are in control. under kemp, i could be investigated and imprisoned. for a miscarriage. >> only a handful of republican candidates are pushing back directly on the issue of abortion, and instead they're going all in on crime. >> i.c.e., open our borders to illegal immigrants and violent felons without bail. mandela barnes, dangerously liberal on crime. >> some republicans are going even further, zeroing in on

communities of color, with anti-crime speeches in diverse nyc neighborhoods and dr. oz has been throughout pennsylvania with faith forums in black community and tommy tuberville of alabama said this, just this weekend. >> the democratic party, they have the majority, they could stop this crime today. some people say, well they're soft on crime. no they're not soft on crime. they're pro-crime. they want crime. they want crime because they want to take over what you got. they want to control what you have. they want reparations because they think the people who do the crime are owed that. bull-[ bleep ]. they're not owed that. >> joining me now from cleveland, ohio, is nbc's jesse kirrish covering tonight's senate debate between jd vance and tim ryan and ali is in georgia and vaughn hillyard is in phoenix, arizona, all places

with tight races. let's start with you. jd vance, and the debate tonight, what are you saying? what's working? what's not working? and why is the race so close? >> yes, that last item right there might have a lot to do with what tim ryan has done in recent months, katy, the democratic nominee and faces off against someone who can appeal to moderate republicans and boasted about agreeing with former president donald trump and the vance campaign will tell you that that is a two-faced persona, that is the what the campaign is telling me today about the democratic opponent. donald trump won this state, the former president won this state twice handily and polling has suggested it may be closer to millions of dollars poured in here, along with senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. i think tonight, they will be talking as much as who you believe as opposed to what you believe, because again, the

democratic candidate in this race is trying to appeal more to the right, and the republicans saying they will try to paint the democratic opponent as far left. and i think on this issue of crime that you just talked about that there, and police issue, one of the ways that might come up is through a discussion of drug, and according to the cdc data from 2020, the third most drug overdose deaths of any state in the country, and we know that the opioid crisis is a big problem in the country, and other has certainly been hit particularly hard by opioids, and by fentanyl and so those are things that i think we will hear from both candidates tonight and that ties in with policing and crime on the streets, so those issues that we hear about, in the larger context of conversations politically, across the country, i think we'll find a home in the discussion around drugs in this campaign debate tonight. this is the first time you see candidates will go face to face, and it is certainly something that is going to have a lot of attention across this country. >> tim ryan, very interesting, and talking with his wife and

admitting they don't agree all the time, and he is saying that to voters, you don't need to agree with me all the time, we just need to come together and to compromise and that's what working together looks like. but beyond that, democrats across the country are really going all-in on abortion. i mean here is a lot about the abortion, you hear a lot about abortion in ohio? is this a defining issue of this race? >> so we certainly talked to both candidates on this and we heard from other groups talking about it as well. i will say it is not an issue that is the first thing that comes to minds when we talk about the ohio senate race. i think the buzz words that we hear are jobs, china, fentanyl, as we talked about that as well, and abortion is not as playing heavily here. and i think what is interesting here, you look at the senate race and how it is tight, the governor's race in this state does not look to be as close, and we know that the democratic candidate for governor here nan whelan, she has leaned into the

debate over abortion. and we have also recently seen more restrictive abortion laws take effect here, and obviously the current governor who is running for re-election, mike dewine, a republican, with courting the tougher stance on abortion rights here, and it is not factoring into that race, perhaps, and that may be something that is influencing how the senate candidates are handling that here, but i will say we went to an event for tim ryan, weeks ago, at a form and they were talking about farming issues there, but we also talked with one woman there about what was important to her, and she talked about farming issues at this event, but she also talked about reproductive rights, and that was important to her, too. so i don't think we will know for sure until the very end but i can tell you the candidates are not making that the number one issue with other campaigns may have been doing so, and in this state and otherwise in the country. >> an interesting indicator. ali, we know abortion has been a big issue in georgia. any indication that the

revelations, the daily beast has reported, we have not confirmed independently about herschel walker, and doing anything to his candidacy down there? >> so far, i've talked to democrats and republicans here on the ground, in georgia, and abortion is not coming up. the word, it is hard to describe about how voters are feeling, it is unsafe about the allegations, and we spoke about the first wave of the allegations, when they came out, and recommit and support behind herschel walker can and it wasn't until today, that we found the official campaign plan, and along with senator tom cotton, to come here and campaign on the georgia here with walker tomorrow. and i think it is important to note, it this is the leader of the effort to elect senate republicans and underscoring how critical republicans consider this race, if they want to win back control of this now 50/50

senate. we have all hands on deck redirecting campaign funding, from new hampshire, and redirecting it here to georgia, and stocking up here on georgia, and that could really fall on deaf ears. like i said, we've been hearing from voters here that their minds are made up. listen to what i was told today. >> i feel like in georgia, a lot of people already have their minds made up what they're going to be voting for leading up to election day. so no matter what they hear and who says what, they have their vote and whichever way they have their mind made up to vote. >> it is probably the worst candidate for the senate than anybody in this country. >> and voters on both sides of the aisle are saying they would rather talk about anything but this controversy. we have republicans saying they would rather talk about issues

like inflation, the economy, how gas prices are up, and then democrats are also telling me that they're actually happy that senator warnock is not going to be on the campaign trail unless he specifically asks about it, but they're happy that he is not taking advantage and using this as political ammunition, so it is going to be very interesting to see whether this will be brought up on the debate stage when they face off. and so far the only debate so far. >> and we are looking at arizona, and i know you are following that senate race closely there, vaughn, and all of the races there closely. what are the issues that are factoring into the voters' minds less than a month before the election? >> in two days, until early ballots go out, in the state of arizona, i think abortion is an important issue here, and that is where you see the likes of kari lake and blake master, the two republicans running tore

governor and u.s. senate respectively, they are in a difficult position because the polling would indicate that this is not a position, that their current positions are not favorable to the majority of arizona voters, and yet, at the same time, all of the abortion issues are playing out realtime at the policy level. just last week, a judge issued a stay on what we've called here in the state, the territorial ban. this is an 1864 measure that banned abortion across the board except when a woman's life is in jeopardy. but the arizona circuit court of appeals just last week issued a stay to what has gone into effect since, it is a 16 week ban. you saw blake masters at the debate last week with mark kelly, he stood behind that measure and kari lake saying she would defend that measure. and that is where you have seen mark kelly as well as the democratic candidate for governor, take those issues head on. and using these issues in their campaign ads, and we have to note, too, this also trickles down to the attorney general race and ultimately, a

democratic attorney general, that candidate being chris mays, and to what extent would she then defend these laws that are currently on the books here in the state of arizona? all of those things happening in realtime. that first appeals hearing is going to take place this week. so it is an issue that kari lake and other republicans cannot outrun. and that's why you saw last night when donald trump campaigned here in the state with his latest candidates, they're focusing on issues like the inflation, and the economy, and you mentioned crime, and he was making a reference to pima county and the greater tucson area with a record number of homicides last year, they are trying to look at that, as democrats are focusing on issues from abortion to the election denialism and other conspiracy theories that have galvanized democrats and more mccain-era republicans, to come out and vote democrat and those are the issues that are playing out diametrically opposed to one another in realtime in arizona.

>> thank you very much for starting us off. let's look at this a little bit closer. we have the senior editor dave wasserman who joins us now. i want to set tup. i know republicans are going all in on crime across the country and there are places where crime is on the rise and places where crime, depends what you're talking about specifically, as far as the crime, "the new york times" says this about national stats right now, the whole picture on crime rates is nuanced, homicides soared in 2020 and 2021 before decreasing slightly this year and an analysis of crime trends in the first half of 202, and found that murders and gun assaults in major american cities fell slightly. so it's nuanced, as "the new york times" is putting it, but when you say nuanced, it seems like that is a hard thing to run against if you're a republican, who are hammering democrats in more liberal areas on these issues. >> you know, katy, one of the interesting things is republicans are polling better in house races in these states,

in districts like in oregon, or new york, and in rhode island, where they can run against democratic leadership and rising crimes and looking at democratic state officials. but one reason republicans are looking more at crime because the gas prices have gone down and the attacks from earlier this summer, they believe republican attacks but it has lost a little bit of the bite because the gas prices are down about 25% from the june peak. and democrats are behaving a little differently than 2020, keep in mind democrats are very reluctant to feature law enforcement backing in their ads, in that summer and fall of 2020. and now we're seeing virginia and wisconsin and more, featuring sheriffs and law enforcement officers to laung of , launch those republican attacks and beef up their credentials. >> what about the look at the

fbi into the investigation of donald trump. is that making any sort of impact? i mean the investigation into donald trump, and donald trump moving through this race, as he does, and has been, for seven years now is, that making an impact? is it emboldening democrats? or is it making republicans more interested in these races? >> well, it is a tactic that the democrats are using, particularly with republicans who were present on january 6th, and there are a few, a democrat in toledo, has been hammering his opponent in the ninth district in ohio for being present at the capitol on january 6th. and she has sheriffs backing her up in her ad. look, any time the spotlight has shifted from joe biden on to donald trump, that is helpful for democrats. and the abortion issue as well, even though it is showing that

inflation is far more important than abortion in the poll, and in the most recent poll, democrats are closing that gap, and there is less of a chance to see a lopsided republican turnout advantage, and republicans are hoping for biden's low numbers on the economy and independents to give them the house majority. >> is this all going to hang on suburban women and how they decide? are they as important as they have been in recent history? >> obviously, a majority is part of it. and in the suburban districts, it is women, the majority of every district, pretty much, and so there is no doubt that democrats who are suffering from the double digit advantage, and they have been able to capitalize on this surge in energy to close that gap, but biden's handling of the economy, and the independent voters in the most recent nbc poll, is 27%, and it includes that,

looking at democrats to overcome. >> correct me if i'm wrong, polling is kind of hard right now. how confident are you that the numbers are going to hold, that there might be some undercount maybe with republicans, not answering the phone or not telling the truth, or not counting the suburban, i don't know, you tell me, are you confident in the polls? >> there's a lot of uncertainty, more than there has been in recent years because i believe we're in a polling power outages, where pollsters should be disclosing their response rates to the polls, and they have looked at the response, more with the bias than before trump came along, and the fact that respondents at polls are likely to have higher levels of trust in social institutions, and that may affect poll tersters and they had to look at rural voters and noncollege voters and they're looking at who may show up on november 8th,

and it may or may not be accurate. so i don't believe we can automatically add five points for republicans to every poll to account for that. and we do need to approach some of the averages, on the aggregation sites. >> before we go, your last tweet regarding congress, and where things stand, you say 211 seats, and 194 seats swing democrats, and they need to win 24 of 30 toss-ups. 80% to keep their majority. that would be major, you say. it would indeed be major. dave wasserman, thank you very much for your time and all of your expertise. >> thank you, katy. and still ahead, attacks against civilians in ukraine's major cities and what vladimir putin is threatening next. also, newly-released audio of house minority leader kevin

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russia unleashed a barrage of deadly attacks on cities across ukraine. civilians in a part of kyiv were targeted with air strikes. the largest russian attack the city has seen in months. missiles tore through rush hour traffic into parks and skyscrapers, russian president vladimir putin is calling it retaliation after an explosion damaged a key bridge linking russia to the annexed crimean peninsula over the weekend. ukraine's military has not claimed responsibility for that attack. joining me now from moscow is nbc's chief international correspondent keir simmons. anything changed from vladimir putin in the way that he is talking about these attacks and what they're going after?

>> reporter: well, i think what changed, katy, is that it has ramped up, if you like, and last week, we had president biden speculating about how president putin might find an off-ramp. frankly it is the opposite what has happened today, hasn't it? and both sides have been drumming things up over the weekend. we had that blast on that bridge from russia to crimea, and that clearly infuriated president putin. there are suggestions today that this missile bombardment this morning across ukraine was actually planned earlier than that bridge alleged attack. having said that, in his statement this morning, president putin had a whole list of different attacks on which he said russian territory, quoting them terrorist attacks, that were his reasons for carrying out this onslaught. so, you know, i mean it's more than tit for tat, it's getting

really very, very risky in the sense that both sides are prepared to back down, and certainly the kremlin is showing no signs of backing down, and yet, there is no sign of any kind of a resolution, and around president putin, i have to tell you, katy, there are hard liners and increasingly so, and just for example, president putin over the weekend appointing a new general, who is known for his hard line tactics in syria when he was the commander on the ground. there and yet there is no sign that this is ending any time soon. president putin though of course, the challenge is, that these tactics, that he is threatening more, if ukraine doesn't step back, if you like, and if these tactics don't work, then where does he go then? >> he is losing territory to the ukrainian, the reason that missiles are being launched against all of these cities, keir, is that his military is not there.

so i know he is threatening more. is there any indication how long these missile attacks, you kind of answered it, it's not clear, how long it is sustainable, and you talked about the hardliners and they're surrounding him, we also heard from some people, prominent people, in russia, coming out on public telegram channels saying that they weren't happy with the war effort, that was a change, any reason to believe that there is more to the story there? >> well, what's happening there is that russian bloggers are criticizing, not criticizes president putin but openly criticizing the ministry of defense, and the tactics and this russian operation in ukraine as they call it. so that is notable. because it is a public criticism, although of course again not of the russian president himself. you are seeing that too from other hard liners, the chechen

warlord for example, overly criticizing the operation, he indeed posted a picture of his teenaged sons firing automatic weapons, and grenade launchers and sending them to ukraine, so that is the kind of talk that you are seeing in public, from these people around president putin, and it goes back to that question of, you know, where does president putin go from here. you asked a good question about how sustainable it is. there are real doubts about whether russia will be able to maintain the kind of barrage that it unleashed today. and so the threats that president putin is making are not landing, it isn't seem, with people in ukraine, and again, that is the issue for president putin, if this intimidation, if you like, doesn't work, what does he do next?

does he escalate in the way that president biden warned last week? >> tactical nuclear weapon that everyone is worried about. keir simmons, thank you very much. and joining me now from kharkiv nbc's erin mclaughlin. it has been difficult in kharkiv, correct me if i'm wrong, power is out there, vapz is clearly trying to make it hard to sliv in these cities, any reason to believe that people are not going to stand their ground as they have been doing for so long now? >> well, ukrainians are outraged by the events of today. 83 missiles launched towards this country. 40 of which landed on ukrainian soil, striking primarily residential buildings, schools, playgrounds, a pedestrian walkway, all of those things damaged, during this massive attack, what ukrainians are looking at is essentially a

country-wide terror attack. and also looking at it as a sign of russian president vladimir putin's weakness, a sign that they have him on the back foot on the battlefield. and essentially losing this war at this point. it began as a counter offensive lightning fast. ukrainian forces moving in, pushing the russians out of the kharkiv region. another victory in the donbas, and also encroaching to the south, on the kherson region, moving closer and closer to the city of kherson. and all of that capped off with this damage done to the bridge attack, which they have not so far claimed responsibility for. all of that adding up and projecting this weaken, projecting president putin as a weak leader, and according to one ukrainian official, and in a country that values strength. so clearly, president putin in the eyes of the ukrainian is scrambling and essentially

taking it out on ukrainian civilians, and it is worth noting, and i was speaking to one ukrainian official who told me that there is actually very little militarily in today's attack. so from a military standpoint, this is out of absolutely nowhere on the battlefield, katy. >> erin, thank you very much. we have new secret recordings about kevin mccarthy and his response to the january 6th attack. we will play them for you in a moment. also, what "the new york times" says donald trump asked the national archives to do for him in exchange for the documents he had at mar-a-lago. [coughing] hi, susan. honey. yeah. i respect that. but that cough looks pretty bad. try this robitussin honey. the real honey you love, plus the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash? robitussin. the only brand with real honeyand elderberry. (vo) with verizon, you can now get a private 5g network. so you can do more than connect your business, robitussin.

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recording. >> this rhetoric is going to push us back into another violent political experience like we had on january 6th. >> if we don't handle it in a political way, i don't believe it happens again. >> i mean unfortunately -- >> we treat it like -- >> listen, kevin, i agree you with. the problem is, it is political. because it happened here on capitol hill. and it involved a political movement. it involved a group of extremist white right wing element of our, you know, american society, which was mobilized by politicians. and that's just a fact. >> and that's just a fact, he says. with me now, here in the studio is nbc's ali vitali, i want to underscore when this recording was made. june, 2021. so this is five months after, more than five months probably, after the insurrection.

>> exactly. and as they were trying to figure out what it would look like going forward, with the investigation piece of it. but there are a few things in here that stuck out to me. with the frame of knowing everything that we know from the january 6th committee, the idea at one point that fanone, and the two officers who were in the meeting tried to say to mccarthy that trump wasn't doing anything, while he knew what was happening on capitol hill and mccarthy said i'm not sure he knew what was happening when i spoke with him, and if you take mccarthy at his word then, the then president of the united states didn't know that the u.s. capitol was under attack, which is a really difficult thing to believe but would be a major breakdown of communication at the white house. and then the way that most people interpret it, which is what was happening, trump was watching tv, knowing what was going on, and still doing nothing, but there's also the part of the conversation that they were asking the top republican to validate their experiences on january 6th and he could not do that. >> i found it interesting that

no one went back to him and said, i can't believe you're trying to disassociate this from politics. >> right. >> that this isn't a political event. when it was clearly a political event. and he was pretty forceful. that is just a fact, to kevin mccarthy's face. >> it is. but what we've seen in the year since the recording has been taken, is flew the january 6th -- through the january 6th committee hearings we've seen republican lean in even further this is all politic, trying to stick as close as they can to the former president because for him, he doesn't want this to be his fault, despite everything and the evidence has shown us that these people were here because of him. >> does anybody feel like if this happens again, is there any guilt of maybe perpetuating this drama that we are living in, this violence, this that hangs our over our heads? >> i think it is posed to republican leaders in various

ways but to engage with that question would to be say that there was something wrong on january 6th and we still have some people in the party saying well, it was a day of a tour, well, there are some people who won't engage with the central premise that this was something that was so bad, and that it was political and until you say it was political and can't happen again, i don't know how much more -- >> i am wondering how much worse it can get, steve scalise, shot in the head and still suffering after that, doesn't get better after that, didn't get better after the insurrection, how much worse can it get. ali vitali, thank you very much. open question. "the new york times" has new reporting on an attempt by the former president to cut a deal with the national archives. the presidential records he took from the white house, he wanted documents about the russia probe he thought he would prove he was wronged by fbi. so according to "the new york times," they became his bargaining chip, quote, in exchange for those documents, mr. trump told advisers, he would return to the national

archives the boxes of material he had taken to mar-a-lago. mr. trump's aides never pursued the idea. joining me now is "new york times" washington correspond michael schmidt, by-lined on this reporting and author of the book "donald trump versus the united states," so we wanted to make a trade, and what is this revealing to you about the way donald trump was seeing the documents that he had, and what he could get out of the united states government? >> for us, the idea that trump could take boxes and negotiate them for classified documents that the archives didn't want to give him about the russia investigation, that they didn't want to give him, but they didn't think he had the people around him to handle them, it is just another example of how trump is sort of, how trump has sort of approached all of these

investigations, entertaining outlandish ideas, ideas that were not certainly based in typical reality of what you can and cannot do. the idea that if you had material that were government records and you could use them as a bargaining chip, you know, it's just, it's trump, where you run out of adjectives, and the best one we could come up with is outlandish. but in the story, what we do is we chronicle that not only did he fit a pattern about the previous investigation, like the russia investigation where he entertains crazy thoughts, but he also, he misled his own aides, he pushed them to take actions that he was unwilling to take himself, and that in turn exposed the airds and the lawyers and the representatives that were working for him, in increase their own legal exposure. wand trump, it is a story that time and time again repeats itself. >> his lawyers sometimes have to

hire their own lawyers. let's play donald trump at a rally last night. hear's what he said about the documents. >> i had a small number of boxes in storage at mar-a-lago, guarded by secret service, and my people, and everybody, i mean it's safe. there is no crime. it's not a crime. and they should give me immediately back everything that they've taken from me, because it's mine. >> it's mine, he says. we've seen this before, michael. he will get accused of something and we will come out and said i did it, it's not a problem, it's not a crime. >> yes, it's mine, it's something that he was saying behind the scenes, in the year and a half after he left office, as the national archives, and the justice department were pushing for these materials to come back. and it is certainly a true lack of understanding of how presidential records work. what you can and cannot do with them, who truly owns them. obviously, very similar to the way that he approached the

powers of the presidency. he thought that the attorney general was a lawyer who worked for him, that was there essentially to defend him, and to protect him. so these are all similar themes that sort of build on each other in the trump story. obviously, this is different than the other ones, but there are these patterns that emerge. and here he is, again, going out publicly, and saying these things, and as a prosecutor, i'm not even sure how you look at them. because he has said so many different things about this issue that now seemingly contradict themselves, and now, he's admitting, yes, he did have the documents, originally the documents were planted by the fbi, that was the narrative that he was pushing, so i just don't know where you begin, if you're a prosecutor, to understand his public statements, because they're just so all over the place. >> michael schmidt, thank you very much for joining us.

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his owe won't was invited to join us as well but he declined. thanks for joining us. this goes against. so personal believes that you've held in the past, right? >> look, i've always traditionally described myself as pro life. and we have to examine what that means. and you know, after roe was overturned with the dobs decision, we're simply seeing things become too extreme. i spent most of mice life fighting extremism overseas but know we have to fight it here at home. and after roe was overturned, we're seeing these dangerous and extreme laws being passed in states like louisiana, where victims of rape and incest are forced to give birth and we're threatening's women's health care and those are not the values i fought to defend and i would codify roe to protect women's health care. >> so kansas is a deep deep red state and they voted to protect abortion, the voters in that state did, and are you, the polling doesn't show you doing

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this is not slowing down. this has momentum behind it, it seems. what are you hearing out of iran? i think you're right, katy, we've seen these protests have expanded geographic scope and they were very intense over the weekend. and it is not only young people, women, students, we're now seeing some strikes among petroleum workers, that was one of the things that collapsed the iranian monarchy in 1978, so i think that the regime has to be worried. they say about dictatorships that while they rule, they collapse and it is inconceivable and after they've fallen, the collapse appeared inevitable, i'm not going to argue that the regime's collapse is inevitable in the near term, but its collapse is no longer inconceivable in the eyes of people, it is starting to show real chunks in the armer. >> did they try to crack down by getting violent and doing so, by, the reports that people have been killed, a man has been killed in his car for honking

his horn in support of the protests, and other people who have died including some young girls. they're trying to show that we will get violent, but why is that not changing the momentum here? why is that not scaring people maybe more? >> i think that people are really fed up, and they have come to understand that this is a system which cannot be reformed via the ballot box. it is not going to evolve into a more moderate system. and discontent in iran just spans so many socioeconomic groups. on one hand, it's obviously political, because people don't have political freedom. a huge chunk of it is economic, because of a lack of economic dignity. and there's also a huge element which is social, and there's no release valve for this young society. the regime is not only, it policing the political and

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