use your phone to scan that just like a menu in the covid era and get rachel maddow ultra. you can go on any podcast delivery service and search for it. thanks for spending time on us. "the reidout" with jason johnson filling in is up next. tonight "the reidout." >> some people say they're soft on crime. no, they're not soft on crime. they're pro crime. they want crime. they want crime because they want to take over what you got. they want to control what you have. they want reparation because they think the people that due the crime are owed that. bull [ bleep ]. they are not owed that. >> it's october. after a weekend of blatantly racist remarks from the right, we know it's that scary time of year. met by complete silence from republican leadership who

surprisingly are in allegiance with both of these comments. also tonight, russia unleashes a new round of air strikes against ukrainian civilians. trump's lawyers meet with federal investigators as trump again says the documents are, quote, mine. the fallout today from racial slurs caught from an l.a. city council president who as of now is the former l.a. city council president. good evening. i'm jason johnson in tonight for joy reid. we begin with the shamelessly unapologetic racism and xenophobia on display this weekend. not surprising. the twice-impeached former president is doing a traveling road show around the country. most of the offensive commentary seem to follow him like rats to garbage. first alabama's tommy tuberville. republicans refused to condemn

his comments. don baker suggested tuberville should have been more polite with his racism. the next day, georgia's congresswoman said hold my racist beer and joined in on the racism, targeting immigrants. >> joe biden's 5 million illegal aliens are on the verge of replacing you, replacing your jobs and replacing your kids in school. coming from all over the world, they're also replacing your culture, and that's not great for america. >> yes. indigenous people's day. if you want to talk about replacement, marjorie taylor greene, you might want to take a different look at how you're looking at these things tonight, given the fact that the entire culture of native americans was destroyed so you could complain about the next group of people coming in. even though marjorie taylor greene isn't running for office in arizona, he presence at the

rally shows how key her ideology is to the current republican legislation. blake masters and kari lake have parroted similar talking points, claiming that democrats want an invasion so they can maintain power. that rhetoric is popular with a number of mass murderers who have targeted black and brown communities in texas and new york. while it's popular with the extremist base and remains repugnant to most normal thinking americans who care about gas prices, health care and abortion rights, one independent voter in arizona recently told "the new york times," i see the racism, if you're hispanic, if you're of a different color, it does not sit well with me. clearly they have a sixth sense. they see racism. on the same day trump was campaigning for kari lake, democratic opponent katie hobbs was holding a rally at the barry

goldwater park. adam freesh, a democrat running to unseat lauren boebert is statistically tied. unaffiliated voters seem to be repulsed by boebert's rhett dick. tim ryan and j.d. vance are facing off in their first debate. vance telling women they should remain in violent marriages and enlisting marjorie taylor greene on the campaign trail. while he was busy doing that, tim ryan was left to campaign across the stated and talk about actual issues that matter to people in ohio. independent polls suggest the race is a toss up. joining me is democratic strategist stephanie brown james and sir michael singleton, host of screen share on peacock. thank you so much, both of you, for joining me this evening. shermichael, i'm not going to ask you the traditional question, hey, shermichael,

you're an african american republican, tell me why so many people in your party are so racist, because we already know the answer to that. what i'm going to ask you is this: in our current political environment, is that effective, is the kind of racism you hear from tuberville and marjorie taylor greene, is that effective with anybody other than hard core maga voters? if i'm an independent voter not motivated by anger, i want to hear about grass prices, health care, student loans. i don't care how much you hate immigrants. >> don, that's a really good question. looking how close the midterms are, i think it is effective with some people in this country who identify as independents or swing voters. i would go as far to say there are even individuals of color who may identify at right leaning, that might also identify with some of this rhetoric, as crazy as that may seem. you would think, when you listen to rhetoric like that, that democrats would have a

significant advantage. we're looking at 46, 47% difference, within margin of error. republicans need to gain five seats in the house. they need one seat in the senate to take it back. these aren't significant margins. you have to ask yourself, it clearly isn't just, quote, unquote, maga republicans saying i'm going to vote republican. there are clearly other folks in our country who is overlooking these things, doc, for other reasons. >> if you've got anybody out there right now who is like, i'm okay with the racism if you lowered my gas prices, probably not the kind of person i want as a neighbor. >> stephanie brown james, you're cohener of a pac that helps many minorities run for office. when you're facing this kind of rhetoric, obviously part of the strategy is your candidate has to go out and deliver a message. the other thing you have to do is somehow get those people who

may be, as shermichael suggests, somewhat motivated by this rhetoric to think not in terms of cultural animus, but practical bread and butter issues. what are some of the things you hear effective democratic candidates saying right now when they're up against that kind of racism? >> it's exactly the point you raised, jason, and that is that we have to focus on the issues. we talk to our candidates all the time, we focus on black candidates running on a local, state and federal level, listen, it's about the everyday experience of your neighbors, of your constituents. you have to focus on the issues. it also means it's important to keep your ear to the ground and make sure you're not shying away from some of these cultural racist situations happening which oftentimes are targeted towards black candidates. but you have to make the voters realize that there's a clear choice when it comes between you and what your opponent is standing for. unfortunately we're seeing too

many times, right now we have a candidate that's running against marjorie taylor greene, and we let them know, show the stark differences. if people want a racist individual representing them, then they should vote that way. but if not, you need to vote my way because i'm focused on the issues and focused on making the country move forward and not move back which is exactly what so many of these individuals who you saw on these videos are trying to do. they want us to go back so bad, that they will use the same old racist language and tropes to get folks thinking back 100 years and how we move forward together. >> at a practical level, racism is a policy position. it is. >> true. >> by running and saying i don't like black people and brown people. what i am saying is i will promote policies that will harm

those people and i will promote policies that in theory help you over them. the racism just hans to be a shortcut. how do you convince a white voter -- let's be absolutely real about this. how do you convince a white voter, if one person is saying, hey, i've got policies that help all of americans, going to replace hospitals in georgia, improve roads in north carolina, and the other person is saying i'm going to make sure you get all that stuff and they don't, how do you combat that? is that something you cannot do realistically with 30 days left in a campaign? >> well, the most important thing is to not shy away from it. it's important that we are calling out these racist candidates and the ads and the companies that support these efforts, that we call them out, but at the same time, listen, this is what unfortunately a lot of us are used to seeing. this is the same retired republican strategy they always use when they know they can't relate to voters. you have a lot of independent

voters, a lot of white voters that do not want to be put in the same bucket as racist individuals like marjorie taylor greene, and you have to be able to call it out and say, listen, this person is going to advance policies that not only will take back people of color. guess what? especially if you're white women, many of these policies will impact you. if you're a person in the lower or middle class economic structure, it's going to impact you. that's a number of americans who will actually be impacted by these policies that are not going to actually benefit white people in the way these folks are saying what they will, but will actually harm them. we can't shy away from the facts in telling that story. we encourage our candidates to stand strong, but also to make sure they don't lose their message in the process as well. >> shermichael, right now we've got word that rick scott and tom cotton are going to go down and campaign for herschel walker. it's a roomer he's having a

halloween party where he's dressed as nick cannon. we don't know if that's true or not. herschel walker has been trying to reframe his image over the last couple hours or days after the latest revelation that he's not only been a bad and absentee parent but also paid for at least one abortion with someone he used to be romantically involved with. my question for you is, does bringing down these kinds of republicans actually do anything for herschel walker? if i'm not a hard core conservative, i don't know who cotton is. he looks like lemony snikt. are these the kind of thangs that will help herschel walker, or is it just a sign from the republican party saying hey, we've got your back even if you're in a losing campaign? >> i think the concern from herschel walker's campaign -- and i don't have any inside information here -- he has probably isolated some part of ultra conservative christians in georgia. tom cotton is an uber conservative person, talks a lot

about his christian faith. that's someone, if he were to come down and talk about herschel walker being a good person, the right person for georgia, someone they need to add to the senate, will be perceived as i'm endorsing them. if herschel is okay with me, he should be okay with you. just to break it down for the viewers, to understand the reason why. with that said, doc, i think they're recognizing they're potentially isolating a lot of independent women, suburbanites. even mitch mcconnell acknowledged that republicans want to win those voters back. and it's also why he said i don't like some of the republican candidates that have been selected because i think we may not win back the majority in the senate because of some of those types of candidates. looking at that to me, in terms of the campaign, holy smoke, this revelation is damaging, this could cost us the election and we need people to come down and sanction and say, hey, he's still okay with conservative

republicans. if i can add really quickly, doc, something about white women in general. i don't mean to offend anyone by saying this. i've always wondered if some individuals, even if they don't necessarily identify or are in sync with every single thing extremist individuals may say, if they view themselves of being part of a said group as it pertains to black people versus the other group, i think many of these people will say, you know what, if it benefits me versus those people, i'm going to side with the other side, even if they don't publicly acknowledge it. what i'm trying to say, doc, is whiteness, even some hispanics that identify as white will more than likely side with others versus siding with black people. this is not my opinion. this is something that historically gone on in this country for a very, very long time. it's also why, as a former republican, i became an independent because the racial stuff is a line -- you can't defend that stuff. you can't defend it. you can try to fight and say the party needs to be better.

black people do deserve an opportunity to look at two healthy parties and talk about other policy issues. the reality is most people in our community don't view that. for me as a former republican, you know what, i can't be with this stuff. i wish you guys the best. you can't have me go to my community and say this is okay because i don't sanction it. >> i have to say this really quick, shermichael, i apologize for calling a republican earlier. >> that's okay. >> my mistake. thank you, stephanie brown james and shermichael singleton, for starting the show with us today. >> thanks, doc. up next on "the reidout," a new round of brutality on ukraine. putin is relying on deadly missile attacks. "the reidout" continues with this discussion after this.

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after months of a war in ukraine that's going very badly for putin, russia unleashed a wave of air strikes on ukrainian cities today including the capital of kyiv, directly hitting civilians and infrastructure. ukrainian officials say 14 people were killed and 97 were injured. one of the blasts in kyiv almost hit the city's iconic glass bridge while a pedestrian was walking across it as well as a playground in the city. putin said today the attack is retaliation for what he calls

ukraine's terrorist acts including destruction of the bridge from russia to crimea which putin illegally annexed in 2014. it's a bridge so important to putin, he held an official ceremony featuring him driving across it, boasting at the time that, quote, even during the reign of the czars people dreamed of building this brinl. now he's once again illegally annexed territories in ukraine. today the u.n. began an emergency session to begin condemning the annexation. cal perry has the latest from kyiv. >> reporter: the first rockets landing here in the capital at 8:15 in the morning at the height of rush hour. in many ways people coming back to the city, but the calm destroyed in an incident. that was the first volley of fire oopsz. at least eight people dead with another dozen or so wounded according to emergency services, though those numbers could easily rise. these were attacks across the country, not just in the capitol city. to the east in the city of

kharkiv, five explosions taking place around the same time, 8:30 in the morning. in the center of the country, at least five people dead there, another dozen or so wounded there, and to the far western part of the country, the city of lviv which has managed to stay out of the line of fire hit by a volley of rockets. we understand it was electricity targets being hit there. the power was out for some time today. in the capital city tonight things are tense. people are taken shelter. they're taking cover wherever they can including the subways underneath the city. the mayor here says there will be rolling blackouts. the electricity was really brought to its knees by these attacks so these rolling blackouts will try to prevent a larger crash of the electricity grid. the lights behind me are off, not just to save that grid, but in the hopes there won't be further strikes in the coming hours. >> sobering and sad. thank you, cal perry. joining me is former u.s.

ambassador to russia, michael mcfaul, an international affairs analyst. thank you for joining us, ambassador. this isn't ace symmetric warfare. putin calling the defense of one's own homeland, putin calling the ukrainians terrorists doesn't seem to make any sense. i'm curious who is that rhetoric for? is it for international arms dealers that want to supply russia? is it to appease populous and right wing people on russian television? i don't think anybody's definition on the far left or the far right that could say what ukraine is doing is terrorism, right? >> great question. most certainly it's not terrorism as far as i'm concerned. i'm not an international lawyer. i want to be clear about that. the attack on the bridge was to stop a critical supply line to soldiers moving up through crimea to fight around kherson. that's a target. by the way, they targeted it

during a time when the least amount of traffic was there, right? it seems to me, whoever did it and we don't know who did it, were going out of their way not to target civilians. what putin did in response was exactly to target civilians. that photograph that you just showed, that map, all those cities were civilian targets. that is the definition of terrorism. targeting civilians to terrorize people, the exact opposite. to the question of who is it for, it's definitely for the russian population, for a domestic audience. it's to give him an excuse to double down, to mobilize forces. it's proving to be rather unpopular inside russia. he's saying we need to protect the home line from these quote, unquote, terrorist attacks by first launching all these missiles and second by sending all these soldiers into all parts of ukraine. >> ambassador, one of the things

that strike me is the symbolism. you hear the rhetoric from vladimir putin, it's terrorism and i have to do it. the symbolism of taking out that bridge, this is a bridge he walked across, a bridge he bragged about. this would be the equivalent of attacking delaware or something else like that, something that is personally linked and associated with the president. at this point, could we argue that what putin did in retaliation was personal, that this was not necessarily strategic attacks because he now feels that the war has come to his symbolic doorstep? >> exactly. it's all personal and has nothing to do with strategy. by the way, the attack took place on his 70th birthday, right? he took that as a personal thing. i think that's a metaphor for the larger war. remember, ukraine wasn't threatening russia. there was no threat to russia. this talk about nato expansion was not real. this is a personal war because

putin believes that ukrainians should be part of the russian empire. they're just russians with accents, as he said before he invaded. this is a completely personalized war. tragically for the ukrainian people, they've had to endure that, but now that he's losing, it makes it all the more difficult for him because it's all about putin's personality, his ego and has nothing to do with actual russian security objectives. >> ambassador, i think this is key, when you talk about what his motivation was. vladimir putin has been very clear. this is imperialism. i want to get these territories back because i want to make sure i create this greater russia. even the international left said no, no, no, putin was provoked into this action, the united states is propping up ukraine to fight some proxy war, that there are tons of diplomatic solutions out there and united states is preventing those things from

occurring. when you see actions like this from vladimir putin, does this bring us any closer to a supposed diplomatic solution? it seems to me if this has gotten into a personal spitting match between zelenskyy and vladimir putin, i don't see any diplomatic solutions on the table any time soon. >> it's very hard to see, i agree. that's what makes this moment to tragic. my assessment -- i talk to two ukrainians professionals regular. i had two zoom calls canceled today, by the way, because people were without electricity. when i talk to ukrainian officials, i think they're ready to negotiate some kind of terms. they want this war to end. after all, their people are dying every single day. it's also clear putin does not want to negotiate. this is a war of imperialism. think about it. if after decolonization in africa the french, british, portuguese came back 30 years later and said we were just kidding about angola for

portugal, algeria for the french, the british saying we want to take nigeria back, that's the apt metaphor here. ukraine gained its independence, the soviet union collapsed. 30 years later putin decided he wants to recolonize the territories. ukrainians are fighting back. because of that, it makes it very difficult to think about some sort of negotiated solution until the russian army is stpd on the battlefield. >> there are no givebacks in international relations. ambassador mcfaul, thank you for joining us this evening. still ahead, the plot thickens as officials question trump attorney christina bobb about the documents seized at mar-a-lago. we'll be back with that on the reidout. remember ads with young people having a good time. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance,

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look, i am not a legal professional, but i've watched enough law and order, reasonable doubt to know it's not a good thing when a lawyer representing a client has to get their own lawyer. it may be worse than that when that lawyer speaks with federal investigators about the case as a potential witness. nbc news learned christina bobb, one of the lawyers representing donald trump in the fbi

investigation of his mishandling of classified documents spoke to federal investigators on friday. the former anchor with the far right oan network was the trump attorney who signed a letter to the doj in june certifying trump turned overall classified material in his possession, a claim which has been proven to be false following the fbi search of mar-a-lago in august. that search was exactly nine weeks ago. to this day, the twice-impeached former president has not said why he took thousands of government documents including some with markings indicating they held the country's most guarded secrets or what he was planning to do with them. new reporting from "the new york times" indicates one potential motive, to give him leverage to pressure the government in a weird quid pro quo. the times writes trump was determined to show he had been wronged by the fbi investigation into his 2016 campaign sides to russia and wanted documents that the national archives wasn't willing to give him he thought

would prove his claims. trump's idea, he wanted to cut a deal. in exchange for the documents, he would return to the national archive the boxes of material he had taken to mar-a-lago. mr. trump's aides never pursued the idea. joining me now is jill wine-banks, former watergate special prosecutor and co-host of the sisters in law pod casted. i can't think of a better person to talk to about this. i first want to get to this idea of a quid pro quo. what we're hearing here is that trump, still believing the fbi was unfairly investigating and was like, okay, here is my plan, everybody, i'm going to steel stuff that i know isn't mine in the hopes that the government will then give me documents to prove a theory that i had four years as president to find out when i did have access to classified documents. am i crazy for thinking that that doesn't even make sense by trumpian standards, or was there

some logic here where maybe the doj would have been willing to cut that deal in exchange forgetting some of these documents back snk. >> you are not crazy. i'm afraid it's donald trump who is. he is definitely delusional in thinking this. first of all, as you noted, if he had such documents, if there were such documents, if they possibly existed, he had four years when he had every right to ask for them tond to get them. my suspicion is they do not exist. so let's take that first. secondly, you cannot steal something to barter. it does go back to what happened in ukraine where he was trying to say, okay, i'll give you what you're legally entitled to, the funding, if you do this terrible thing for me and make up something about joe biden. that is not how america is supposed to be doing business. that is illegal on every aspect. so no, there's nothing there.

you have it completely correct. there's nothing wrong with your thinking, and it should be that everybody in america realizes that there are no such documents, and even if there were, he can't trade stolen documents that he has no right to possess. this goes back a long way. the presidential records act was a result of richard nixon wanting to take tax deductions for having documents and trying to leave the white house when he resigned with the tapes. that's why we have this law, to give it to journalists and historians, to the american people, not to the person who created them as president. >> so, jill, here is the other part of this that baffles me and a lot of people want to understand. at this point you have the president who lied. it's very likely that his lawyer, christina bobb, is, look, i can only operate based on what my client tells me.

it looks like more and more people are getting nervous about the idea of even working for this guy. not that i have too much sympathy for a maga lawyer that works with trump. as a lawyer, are people working for him putting themselves in jeopardy by representing a client who seems to consistently be implicating himself and incriminating himself in his own public statements? don't you run the risk of being disbarred? don't you run the risk of some other sanctions from the legal field if you are knowingly representing somebody who even you know is committing crime? >> yes t. answer is clear. look at rudy giuliani. it's already happened to him. it's happening to sidney powell. it can happen to many others. in addition, your reputation is shot. who is going to hire you in the future? i'm stunned, for example, that jim trustee signed the cnn complaint. that's a frivolous lawsuit. it will be dismissed which says

failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted. his reputation will be shot. who is going to want to hire him. yeah, it really makes no sense. i have to say that christina bobb was careful -- she did not say there's absolutely nothing left, everything has been turned over. she said based on the information provided to me. that is deliberately misleading, but under a supreme court case, deliberately misleading but literally true is not perjury. so it's not perjury. on the other hand, by saying what she said, she opens herself up to be questioned and i assume today's questioning included who told you that information and even if it's your client, you have to reveal it because of that. if it's another lawyer you're working with, they're in trouble for having said that. then you go to them and say how did you get this information? why are you saying there was

nothing there? it really opens the door to really deep diving into questions of those lawyers. they become witnesses against their client. >> i want to play you some quick sound from twice-impeached president trump at a rally in arizona and get your thoughts on the other side. >> i had a small number of boxes in storage at mar-a-lago guarded by secret service. there is no crime. you know, there is no crime. it's not a crime. they should give me immediately back everything they've taken from me because it's mine. it's mine. they took it from me in the raid. they broke into my house. under the presidential record act everything should come back, it all should come back, and under the presidential record act there is no crime. >> he is literally admitting to crimes. on the scale of clients i wouldn't want right now, it's like rudy giuliani, brett favre, donald trump. what's your response as a lawyer

if donald trump was your client and saying these kinds of things publicly over and over in front of live studio audiences? >> i'm sure every lawyer who represents him has said you cannot talk about any of these things, and they promptly are ignored. i think it's time for lawyers to get smart. they don't get paid. he cheats them, and the one who did get paid in advance, kise, got $3 million in advance. he's been sidelined. he got paid and he said i'm not doing your dirty deeds. i'm going to stay honest, so he's sidelined. it's really absurd that the lawyers keep signing on when they will hurt their representations and never get another client again. >> and get robbed in the process. jill wine-banks, thanks for joining us this evening on "the reidout". up next, los angeles city council president resigns after recordings surface of her making

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los angeles council president newer rah martinez resigned from her leadership role today after audio leaked of her making racist times. "the l.a. times" first broke the story of a leaked conversation that took place in october of 2021, literally a year ago this month from a meeting attended by martinez as well as council members cedelio and kevin

deleon. all are latino democrats. among the most egregious comments made by the former city council president included this about her colleague, council member's african american son. >> it's like an accessory when we do the mlk parade --

>> there's a lot to unpack in there. believe it or not, it got even worse. nury martinez called the child a spanish term meant animal. she implied l.a. county's progressive district attorney, george gas cone shouldn't be recorded saying, quote, if that guy, he's with the blacks. all four politicians made statements apologizing. the source of this recording isn't known. nbc news hasn't determined whether or not it has been edited. joining me is julio castro, former secretary of housing and urban development and now an msnbc contributor. i've interviewed you about different things. today i want to talk to you about being a mayor. you were the former mayor of san antonio. i want you to sort of take us inside in your time, and that was one of the fastest growing cities in america when you were the mayor there.

there were a lot of changing demographics in san antonio. you had african american population, white latinos, latinos who don't consider themselves white, immigrants, all kinds of different people. have you ever experienced something like this, city council members, staff members, this sort of internalized racism and how did you deal with it if you had any of those experiences? >> i never encountered anything quite like this. we did encounter someone on the council who was recorded i think by a staff member vocalizing homophobic remarks or comments, talking about the lgbtq community in a very der rye sive and homophobic way. when i got elected mayor, especially when it came to vulnerable communities, you absolutely needed to build coalitions to be successful and successfully serve those

vulnerable communities. what really struck me about this recording, jason, is you had these council members, each of whom represents some vulnerable communities, neighborhoods in l.a. themselves, being racist, being homophobic, being anti indigenous, putting down other vulnerable people when what they should be doing is trying to build those coalitions because the constituents they're trying to serve, or at least say they're trying to serve, are elected to zephyr, absolutely need them to do that in a power structure that too oftentimes is stacked against them, all of those groups they're talking about and the ones they say they represent. that's what makes it particularly sad. i think disappointing and embarrassing for these council members. >> your former colleague when you were both in congress, karen bass, is currently in the lead against republican suddenly turned democrat rick caruso, a good chance of becoming los angeles's next mayor. put yourself in her shoes.

if she gave you a call and asked for advice. the city council president stepped down. others have not. if you were advising karen bass, what would you tell her to do should she become mayor of los angeles knowing there may be members on the>> representativey doing, she put out a statement today. she's called for the resignation. but more than that, she's gonna be on that, and said, look, tomorrow, i am gonna convene a group of angelenos, to figure out how we can all come together and work in the best interest of every community in the city. that is fundamentally what you need to do as a mayor, and that's what people need to hear during campaigning, that you're gonna be a mayor for everyone. the good news is, karen bash has a history of working across black and brown lines. she's very well-known in the latino community for years, she's worked to bridge that sometimes, you know, tricky divide that can exist there. it's also true that, at least,

two mayors who were trail blazers in their times, mayor bradley in 1973, and mayor who was elected in 2005, they got elected with a coalition that included blacks and latinos. so, she has a lot of fertile ground to work with here. >> i want to redo a quick statement. this is full from a comment by the l.a. times. roll latinos, the worst and we are letting a political power, ourselves. quote, casual racism and classism among latinos is something our community has never really confronted until recently. as a new generation started on this continent conversations about our anti-blackness and colorism. it's a pathology exaggerating the united states as a movement to new neighborhoods and fight for political power, with communities that have held it longer than us, and on quite ready to give it up. what i loved about this statement is that it talks about the fact that, sort of, the larger democratic dream of the black, brown, aapi coalition, it's not magically gonna happen. it's gonna require some

conversations. what do you think is the positive outcome that can come from the revealing of these tapes, as far as that coalition building needs to happen, not just in cities like l.a., but across texas, arizona, and places where you have a growing latinx population? >> hopefully, it will prompt those serious conversations about how communities can come together, respectfully, and productively, to look out for each other, and to build a coalition in a way that recognizes that each of these communities is vulnerable, sometimes in the same way, sometimes in different ways. they all bring something to the table. but the common denominator here, jason, and the reason that i think it's important for these folks to resign is you need people who can do that credibly and effectively. and no matter what is in the heart of the folks who were caught on the state, they can't do that credibly and effectively right now. they can't build those coalitions, and so, you know, it's unfortunate. >> former secretary julián castro, thank you so much. i apologize for confusing you that you were in congress, i literally confuse you and your

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>> in many ways, it is a thing i'm most worried about, because i think you have candidates that can't lose. but there's an expression that's often use, that we saw in 2020, that the vote counter is oftentimes far more important in that candidate. >> it was there in support of a maga republican action denier. there's a lot of them, including secretary of state candidate mark finchem, who as a reminder, try to decertify the arizona election, it was also in 2020, attended the capital insurrection, and it's a self identified member of the oath keepers militia. there is another battleground state with a danger democracy on the ballot, nevada. trump endorsed secretary of state candidate jim marchant made this pledge on saturday. >> so, we have something in common, president trump and i lost an election in 2020 because of a rigged election. and when i'm secretary of state of nevada, we are gonna fix it, and when my coalition of secretary of state candidates

around the country get elected, we are gonna fix the whole country. president trump is gonna be president again in 2024. >> that coalition is his america first slate of candidates, to oversee elections, a group that includes mark finchem, and trump's pick for secretary of state in michigan, christina karamo. and it's not just secretary of state candidates. the maga republicans running for governor in -- kari lake and dog master are also lined with this group. revealing the existence of his crew at a qanon affiliated conference last year. but the really scary part, has jim marchant been leading in his race, which has the nevada democrats sounding an alarm. one right, quote, this could be the last free and fair election in nevada. so, look, i cannot stress this enough. democracy is literally on the ballot this year, and it's not just those top of the ticket races at stake, with candidates like mark finchem and jim marchant on the ballot this november, the 2024 presidential election is also at stake right now in november. that is tonight's reidout.

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