>> we're now calling bono the father becausest so good. jonathan, you haven't seen it. >> i know. you didn't expect to be called rodney dangerfield walking in today, but you take it as a compliment. the finale airs this week. >> it can't be a finale. >> i know. it's happens do quickly. yeah, the tenth episode airs on friday. and i kind of threw everything in there. >> you really did. >> you watch the show and even if you enjoy the whole thing when it gets to the finale and they don't quite nail the landing, you end up being really angry about the show. >> there has to be more. >> well, i mean, yeah. it's tricky. i guess the characters really resonate. if i come up with a really good idea -- >> please. >> i mean, if you have any. >> we'll let you know. >> would you?

>> the prequel thing, movie with tommy shelvey and -- >> pgi on our faces, wrinkles and everything. >> are you not seen it? robert downey jr. a little creepy. that's okay. >> it can't end. >> by the way, west coast, top of the hour. >> fourth hour of "morning joe" just started. right now. we're talking with the star and executive producer of "bad sisters" on apple tv plus. >> watch it. it will improve your backswing. for me, i was, like, i had no hair. >> thank you so much. >> let me ask, you just said something that's fascinating. two of my favorite shows over

the past decade, i'm not going to name them because i know the creators and i love the creators. two of the best shows just had dismal finales. i was, like, oh, my god. guys, what were you doing? so, talk about the pressure of hitting the landing. like, how much of your energy, your creative thought process, was, like, we have to get this right? especially for a limited series. >> all of it. i think it had about ten different versions before we decided what we would do. a lot of stuff that was originally in episode nine we decided to shift into ten. the final episode, you spend as much time writing the pilot as you do the last one. you have to pay everything off and you have to get people's hearts as well as get them through their moments. >> yeah. >> and, you know, often finales kind of give you three or four

endings that you think it's ended but then there's a surprise. you always have a little something up your sleeve as well. >> right. so, i don't know. just a big sort of juggling act. >> "the lord of the rings" is still ending. >> yeah. >> they're still going. >> you need a good coda and surprise people. i think we're really going to surprise people. >> we don't know who did it, which tells me that we don't. but i love how at the end you threw everybody, like, the kitchen sink. >> yeah. yeah. well, you know, how think you know. maybe you don't know. >> i don't think i do. i don't think i do. >> here. you can walk off with it later. >> okay. >> hold on. i just also am -- my phone number. >> she is going to be wrong.

>> don't open it until -- you know. >> i'm going to swallow it. i'll tuck it down here. >> all right. >> i'm not going to guess the same one you guessed. >> you're not? you're wrong then. >> did you see what she wrote down? >> he knows. >> i think it's too -- >> the show is "bad sisters" on apple -- >> did you see the title of the last episode? >> yeah, but that's to throw you off. >> if you went back and watched it from the beginning, there's a clue at the very beginning of the first episode. >> thank you. i caught it. thank you. >> guess what? she's probably right. >> don't even write it down. throw that away. the show is "bad sisters" on apple tv plus. sharon horgan, i hope this was okay. sorry for me. >> we can't wait for friday. so exciting. by the way, thank you for being here finale week. >> oh, yeah. >> we're very honored.

>> i'm going to send you both t-shirts. one mommy and the other j.p. >> we won't say because kids with watching. >> has a good nickname. >> he does. >> we're past the top of the fourth hour of "morning joe." 9:00 a.m. on the east coast, 6:00 a.m. out west. we are now just four weeks until midterm elections, which some are calling the most important of their lifetimes. early voting gets under way in a handful of states this week, and soon over half the u.s. population will be able to submit their ballot early. in a moment, we'll be joined by one republican who is endorsing several democratic candidates across the country. also ahead, the latest from ukraine where a new round of missile attacks this morning struck the city of zaporizhzhia as the death toll from russia's missile barrage continues to rise. we'll get the latest when former u.s. ambassador to russia michael mcfaul and retired army

four-star general barry mccaffrey join us. first, in just two days the house committee investigating the attack on the u.s. capitol will hold what is likely its final public hearing. the committee's chairman, bennie thompson, said last week that this hearing's format will be a bit different from the ones in the past and will not have a live witness. joining us now, member of the january 6th select committee, republican representative from illinois, adam kinzinger. good to have you on the show this morning. >> good to be with you. >> what's happening? >> if i told you, it wouldn't be a surprise. the big thing is what you've seen over the summer, making sure people are reminded of that, and building more depth and having some information. the bottom line is by the end of the summer we had proved our case. though we're not out as a justice department-type thing, justice department really took a lot of the cues we had produced

and said there may be an issue here. so i think it will be a good hearing and we'll have a report coming up in a bit. >> congressman, looking at new information here, new witnesses, or does it amount to a closing argument? you said it's been since late july, a couple months since this issue was really front and center for a lot of people, midterms in a month. are you making one last case to the american people before they go to the polls? >> yeah, i think, no, it has nothing to do with november. it really does have to do with how do we get this report done, how do we get this information done by the end of this congress. we don't know how the election is obviously going to go. i think it's good to have a deadline on this. has nothing to do with the election. again, i think, you know, it's only a few days away. let's see what we produce out here. i don't want to give any secret sauce away, if you will, or any of the information we have, because it's important we present it to the american people when we have their attention. >> congressman, speaking of the midterms, yesterday you announced a new list of your endorsements, and there is a theme here, a lot of them are

democrats, jack shapiro, governor of pennsylvania, katie hobbs, governor of arizona, the list goes on and on, the theme being they're running against election deniers. was that behind your decision? >> it was. the most important thing that we deal with in november that we can vote on is based on do you actually believe in democracy. we're going to argue tax rates forever. we're probably going to argue abortion forever, even some of those hot topics out there. but the one thing we can't continue arguing if we lose it is are we going to be a self-governing nation. and you have so many people out there that are convincing half of the country or trying to convince half the country that the election system doesn't work, that their vote was stolen. democracy and self-governance cannot survive when they live in a bed of lies. so, you know, for me it's looking at this and saying, okay, is the tax rate the most important thing? is some false allegiance to a party that you don't even know what it stands for anymore, is

that important? or is it defense of democracy? there's a significant number of democratic secretaries of state because they are the ones that obviously run elections, you have two cases, both in arizona and pennsylvania, where you have massive deniers running for governor in a very important state that could change the outcome of the election. then you look at people like evan mcmullin in utah running against mike reid. this is a real shock for an independent to beat a republican in a very republican state because mike lee has been part of this whole election denying group. so i think it's important for us to stand up, smith in arizona as well. >> looking at the last hearing, not looking for you to give away secrets or name names, but the hearings you've had before built on themselves, with each providing new information. having those hearings in this hiatus for you guys, have more people come forward, more people who saw the initial hearings, they resonated with them, more witnesses, more information

you've learned because of the previous hearings? and will we learn that on thursday? >> well, first off, yeah, absolutely. we've had more people come forward. we've been able to fill in gaps that maybe were things we suspect bud didn't fully know. now we have, you know, confirmation of that. you also think about the fact that, look, here's the reality, though, people like mark meadows. dan scavino, who we know was donald trump's kind of twitter whisperer, if you will, he was the guy directly communicating through twitter -- these people refused to come to talk to us. it's hard to get information. we've been able to do the best we can around that, but it's very evident now that the department of justice i think largely because of some of the work we've done if not all of the work we've been able to do, realized that this is a big issue than they thought or maybe had evidence for, and so they'll be able to get the information maybe that we weren't. i think we've made a compelling case.

we'll continue to. but our job is coming to the sunset as we present this to the american people, and it's up to justice to actually do justice here. >> illinois republican congressman adam kinzinger. thank you very much. we'll be watching the hearings on thursday and riding toward the midterms as well. thank you very much. on the topic of the midterms in his latest column entitled "republicans have a lot to fear in november," "national review" editor writes, "the republicans take the house, it is likely almost every remaining democratic legislative priority will die. but if democrats keep the house and win a larger senate majority, even a 52-seat majority, which would still be narrow by historical standards, all kinds of opportunities open up to progressives because the party out of the white house usually does well in the midterm elections, coverage of the races this year has focused on whether republicans will win in a wave or just a ripple. but there's a greater chance of

liberal policy breakthroughs than conservative ones in washington next year. that's what makes this election consequential if not the most important of our lifetimes. liberals have more to gain and conservatives have more to fear." i think a lot of liberals feel like a lot has been lost in the past few months as well. fair enough? >> and i also think a lot of people who were concerned about republicans winning the house would suggest that -- and you look at the secretaries of state who are running, some of the gubernatorial candidates, some of the senators running, they would disagree with ramesh only because, again, feeling that western democracy, madisonian democracy, certainly if not at risk is not respected by a great number of these candidate who is may actually win. so, i understand his point.

first of all, i really -- i can't figure out how democrats win the house. there really has to be just a really dramatic, historic wave for democrats. i just don't see in everything i'm looking at right now. >> there's nothing in the data that suggests there's enough of a wave in that direction to get them to hold on to the house and senate, where their focus is. and that's why these races, talking about ohio, pennsylvania, georgia, nevada another one, steven kornacki was talking about it earlier, this is where the focus is for democrats. and on the question of -- the op-ed, we just heard from congressman kinzinger that there will be policy debates in every election. but this election to him, it's much more about the foundations, democracy, the fundamentals of our country. that's not some theoretical debate, john. we know a lot of these candidates, whether they're senators or governors or

secretaries of state or hope to become that, have just said out loud they're going to change the way business is done, and if a democrat wins, if joe biden runs again and he wins, that they're happy to call the result into question. they're not going to honor the result of an election. >> yeah. the republican candidate for secretary of state in nevada said that they would try to organize other secretaries of state around the country to relitigate the 2020 election to put donald trump back in office, which of course cannot happen, but let's be clear about that. this is something they're actively campaigning on. there have been a number who have not committed if they were to take office in 2022 to honor and certify and install the correct winner a 2024 election. that's at stake here. it's the local races as well. democrats feel a lot better about the house now than a few months ago, but they still recognize it will be hard. redistricting alone, the republicans do not have to flip a single district that joe biden won in 2020 -- >> say that again.

>> republicans do not have to flip a single district that joe biden won in 2020 in order to gain control of that body this time around. >> so they're fighting on their turf. >> yes. >> all they have to do is win the districts that donald trump won -- >> and they will control the house. the margin will be slim, but they will have it and all that comes with it, including the power of the subpoena. again, democrats not giving up, but they know it will be hard. the senate in play here, 50/50 now, a lot of people on both sides of the aisle think 50/50 is likely where it will stay with pennsylvania and nevada, the two states changing hands. >> real risk for republicans and this sort of is the obi-wan kenobi theory of elections so it sounds a little maddening to republicans, actually if this group wins the house. and you have some of the crackpots who have been back ventures that are making headlines every day with their

crazy bills, with their crazy committee hearings. and even appeasement. look how badly impeachment works as a political tool. bill clinton got impeached. i was there. and his approval rating jumped to record highs. i think he got into the 70s after impeachment. then you look at all the other craziness that would go on '23, '24, as ramesh said a double fact because a democratic senate, if there is a democratic senate, would stop their legislation or biden would veto their legislation. but the real risk is what people around george w. bush told us in 2000, that if newt gingrich had still been speaker, they don't believe he would have gotten elected in that close election. and so imagine -- again, just crazy headlines coming out of the republican majority house

over the next two years. >> and they promised to have those hearings already. >> promised. >> kevin mccarthy and those who would be in power said, yes, we would look at impeaching joe biden, we'll talk a lot about hunter biden. they'll have hearings they think are payback for everything brought up on donald trump, which he earned, by the way. >> matt gates last week in an interview said he thinks the republican voters would rebel against them if they didn't impeach joe biden. they're putting that on the table. the white house thinks, look, they wanted democrats to control the house. they recognize politically not a bad thing to have that gop congress be a foil going into 2024. >> it's just not, because they have people who will make sure they're making headlines. whatever the jewish space laser's equivalence is in '23-24 or the italian dude that stole the election or all the other craziness, the qanon conspiracy

theories, that will be front and center if republicans control the house. that is nothing but good news for democrats running in '24. bad news for america in '22. >> yeah. >> bad news for what comes out of the house. but it's something that actually some republican candidates i suspect in '24 are already figuring out. coming up, a new warning from the ceo of one of the biggest banks might have you thinking twice before clicking that buy now button while shopping. andrew ross sorkin will be here to explain that. and later, we are 3 1/2 hours away from first pitch in the divisional series, but the world series is not the marquee event in sports that it once was. a new book explores the rise and stagnation of the grandest stage. but up next, we have the latest out of ukraine as vladimir putin continues his shelling of civilians. former u.s. ambassador to russia michael mcfaul and retired general barry mccaffrey join us

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22 past the hour. turning to the latest out of ukraine, where this morning russian bombs continue to fall. the city of zaporizhzhia has been struck by a missile attack for a second straight day. it follows the ukrainian counteroffensive that severely damaged the bridge connecting russia and the annexed territory of crimea on saturday. nbc's chief international correspondent keir simmons has the latest. >> reporter: this morning, more attacks following what president putin called his massive strike across ukraine yesterday, potentially marking a new escalation in the conflict. with his reretaliation for the attack on his prized russian crimea bridge, he responded to internal pressure to hit back. the dramatic attacks on civilian centers signaling an uptick in

virus as russia aims to turn the tide after military setbacks. the u.s. concerned. president biden speaking with president zelenskyy, pledging to provide support, including air systems. today president putin will meet with the head of the u.n. nuclear watchdog traveling to russia after meeting with president zelenskyy, trying to negotiate a demilitarized zone around a nuclear power station. while president zelenskyy is set to speak in an emergency meeting of the g-7. on the agenda, is this a new phase in russia's offensive? russia is drafting 300,000 men. at a mobilization station 100 miles outside moscow, this man says he's sending his 22-year-old grandson to fight. i feel positive, he says. this woman's husband and father to her child is leaving. she says, i have an emptiness inside. russia's newly appointed commander of its ukraine operation has a ruthless reputation. he was on the ground in syria

when aleppo was leveled. the hard liners around president putin increasingly vocal bike a chechnyan warlord who posted videos of his sons firing automatic weapons and rocket launchers saying he was sending thome fight. we met a moscow businessman driving a cab for now. he's met young people fleeing the country and men going to fight. >> for some, reasons fleeing the country, some are staying. >> reporter: he says he took a pregnant wife around moscow buying clothes for her husband on the front line. >> yes, because she loves her husband and she wants to get him back. >> nbc's chief international correspondent keir simmons reporting for us there. joining us now, former u.s. ambassador to russia, now director of the institute for international studies at stanford, michael mcfaul. also with us, retired army four-star general barry mccaffrey. he is an nbc news military analyst.

good morning to you both. general, let me begin on the military side of this. vladimir putin just now going straight for places like playgrounds. we know he's attacked hospitals, train stations with refugees, a pedestrian bridge yesterday. what does this tell you about his state of mind right now? >> well, i think he's desperate. the wheels are coming off the russian army. their senior leadership is in disarray. putin sacked eight of his generals, ten have been killed in action primarily because of their poor operational security. it doesn't appear as if he has remaining options except what essentially has turned into a criminal campaign against the ukrainian people, going after their power, trying to make sure they freeze in the dark this winter. it's highly unlikely that this approach would do anything but steel the resolve of the ukrainian people. it won't tip the military balance in any way in the russians' favor. so, you know, it's a savage

attack on ukraine's civilian population. it's a tragic outcome. but we should be -- take out of this a notion that we've got to increase support to the ukrainian armed forces. in my view, we have to give them m-1 modern tanks, missiles, and enhance their air defense system so they can get through this winter and possibly have dramatic successes on the tactical battlefield. >> ambassador mcfaul, what about from your side of things? you know vladimir putin well. you understand how russia works. putin trying to draw similarity from a attack on his bridge to a playground or hospital or theater in ukraine. what do you see in these attacks from putin yesterday? >> i agree with general mccaffrey. these are signs of desperation. you know the one place they didn't strike anybody?

on the battlefield. so ukrainian soldiers, their armed forces, they attack installations including this bridge that supplies their soldiers to the south where they're fighting in kherson, and putin's only retaliatory measure is to attack playgrounds. i know that part well in downtown kyiv. that shows to me he doesn't have a plan. he's involved in the planning of the war efforts these days more than ever before, but he doesn't have a plan. and these are signs of desperation. i would also say one other thing. there's a real paradox compared to what he said he was trying to do. remember, several months ago, he said he was going to unite ukrainians and russians because they're all the same people, yet he continues to attack the ukrainians. the exact opposite outcome that he was intending to. and today and yesterday, he's attacking zaporizhzhia. that is a place that he just on paper annexed in a meeting at the kremlin ten days ago, again, underscoring he does not have a

game plan for how to win this war. >> so, general, we've been showing video this morning again of the bridge being blown up. you had said a few days back you've blown up a few things in your time. but i'm trying to figure out this image, if we can show the truck on there. the explosion is so huge, and it spreads so quickly. it's hard to believe that that all came from a truck bomb. what's your best operating theory based on this footage? >> i don't have a clue. bringing down reinforced concrete bridges is really a difficult task. at west point we trained on how to blow bridges down. it's tough to do without hours of engineered dem lipgss. it looks to me as if it was a truck bomb, and either deliberately or by chance it got

the seven fuel cells on a railroad on the other span. an absolutely brilliant move in that it humiliated putin on the day after his birthday, and to some extent has impaired the lo gist you cans supply to russia's criminal invasion of ukraine. we'll see how it comes out. but at no point now does the russian military have any argument that they're likely to achieve putin's political purpose. they're in trouble. the country is coming apart. there's a good argument that more men have fled russia than have reported in to the conscription services. economically, i think russia's permanently impaired, not just during the course of this war. so, putin has no reverse gear left on him. he's plunging ahead. the looney tunes on russian

state tv now are urging him to continue terror attacks on the ukrainian people. this guy has run out of ideas and it's a tragedy for ukraine. >> ambassador mcfaul, the white house has let us know that the g-7 virtual meeting began ant abhour back. they're still talking. those nations are united against russia. what pressure, what further steps could be take on the cut russia off from its other partners? we know china and india have both in recent days sent some disapproving signs to moscow what they're doing, but they're still acting as an economic lifeline for putin. what more can be done, if anything, to change that? >> well, first, as general mccaffrey said, more weapons. this is going to be decided on the battlefield. president zelenskyy, he stated very clearly that that's what they need and that's what we should do first. second, there's a lot more that could be done on economic sanctions and the g-7 is the right group to do it.

these look like terrorist attacks to me. i'm not an international lawyer. so why not discuss the steps to declare russia a state sponsor of terrorism? that would cut them off in a major way from all kinds of financial institutions. third, you know, very brilliantly the g-7 made the decision to freeze russian central bank assets, over $300 billion, several months ago. why not transfer those assets to the ukrainian people for reconstruction? why should american taxpayers have to pay for reconstruction and not the russian government? they could do that today. they could make that decision today. the canadians have been the leader on that. and that would be a real boost in the arm to the ukrainians for their reconstruction efforts. so, i could go through list. i hear all the time, oh, we've sanctioned everything, there's nothing more that could be done. that is not true. >> former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael mcfaul, and retired army four-star general barry mccaffrey, thank you both

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37 past the hour. turning now to wall street where the markets have just opened and traders are responding to new comments from jpmorgan chase ceo jamie dimon. in a new interview with cnbc, the bank leader said he expects the u.s. to enter a recession within the next six to nine months. he also urged the u.s. to begin pumping more oil and gas to avert a global energy crisis. joining us now, co-anchor of cnbc's "squawk box," andrew ross sorkin. yikes. >> yikes is right. jamie dimon making some comments, and a lot of people listen to jamie when he speaks. right? >> yeah. >> a couple things to put in context.

he's talking about potentially a couple thins, the recession which he says could be six to nine months away. he talks about the stock market, and you see that falling, he talked about it potentially falling another 20%, which of course would feel a lot worse than the 20% we've already fallen thus far. >> yeah. >> and so i think a lot of folks are saying what does this mean? jamie has tried to be -- i would say he's generally risk averse, has been a better sort of risk manager than most on wall street. so the question is how much to take away from that. we talked to ray last week and others and they're talking about the downside. nobody is talked about the upside. you could say if the conventional wisdom is all downside, maybe there is upside, but it's hard to see how this gets materially better anytime soon. >> reaching consensus with the guys where this is headed. >> yeah. >> jamie also talked yesterday about oil and what the united states should be doing, jamie dimon saying we have to pump more oil to avertd a crisis here. what's the thinking on that? >> i think the thinking is that

otherwise, and we've already seen the prices go back up again, we sort of saw it come down, but here we are, and what are you going to do both here in the united states and abroad over the next call it 12 months depending on how you think the situation with russia and ukraine lands and the inflation story throughout europe? it's almost impossible to see how you're going to improve the situation at the pump without pumping more oil. of course there's all sorts of issues to talk about when it comes to climate and fossil fuels, but in terms of the economy, it's real. >> republicans are saying that since biden has gotten in, he's froze an lot of drilling. what kind of difference would it make for the economy, for the challenges we're in right now? >> so, look, i think even if you were to pump more gas that the issue -- and we talked about last week, that will cost us 15 to 30 cents more per gallon.

you could argue we're already moving in that direction already. you're in the $5 range in california. could you reduce it by a dollar? could you reduce it by 50 cents? that's what we're talking about. that may sound like it's on the mar skrin but it's not if you have to go to work every day. >> right. >> speaking of economic warning signs ark few weeks ago the possible rail strike the white house deemed an existential threat. >> we thought it was averted. >> we thought it was. there's a cooling-you are a period. the next vote is after the midterms, political implication. >> sure. >> but also economically. >> absolutely. this is back on the table in a way it wasn't. everybody thought this was done. you had the biden administration supporting this decision. we thought the unions and workers would go along with it. they said not enough. and specifically they're saying not enough because of the issue around sick days. that's still the issue. that was the issue then. it's the issue now.

you can, by the way, at least go to the doctor for routine -- the issue before was you couldn't get a routine doctor's appointment to go to the hospital without actually counting a sick day or a day off. they've put that back in. still i think you'll see this issue play itself out and there will be another game of brinksmanship unfortunately. probably around the holidays. >> he brings a lot of good news. >> i'm sorry. >> thanks, andrew ross sorkin. >> short seller. >> it's the truth. >> no. >> the question, what do you do about all this? that's the problem. >> we'll keep talking about it. >> okay. up next, hours away from the next round of major league baseball, the playoffs. a new book explores the world series and how it became the greatest game in america's pastime. that's straight ahead on "morning joe."

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>> i've never seen anything like that in my life. >> oh, man. that is bill buckner getting a do-over on "curb your enthusiasm." we love him. the new book titled "the grandest stage: the history of the world series." full disclosure, tyler is one of my oldest friends. we worked at the vanderbilt hustler, the school newspaper, when we were 18 years old. >> you did got not. >> tyler was the star. i was riding his coattails. >> look how it turned out. >> just fine here. >> still doing all right. great to see you. we showed that clip partly because you talked to larry for this book. what was that like? >> that was so much fun because i wanted an angle on bill buckner that maybe hadn't been explored too much. larry david we know is very acerbic, you know, he's not known for sentiment, but -- and yet he redeemed in a way bill buckner on a national stage,

right? he was able to have buckner make the catch in new york city and be the hero in new york city instead of the opposite. so, he talked about editing that piece and how it really brought him to tears almost just because buckner was -- he had to live with that error for so long. you know, he handled it so well. >> by the way, one of the most moving moments i'd seen in fenway is when buckner came back and threw out the first pitch. the entire place erupted. i don't know if there was a dry eye in the house. >> in a lot of ways that was comedy, "cushing your enthusiasm," larry gave him that moment in front of the world. buckner had to live with that and went underground a little bit and didn't make a lot of public appearances. did larry have to convince buckner this was a good idea? >> he said -- part of larry said that he actually kind of wanted him to drop the baby, thought it would be funny. >> no! larry! >> but deep down he really did

want him to catch it because there was nothing -- >> larry would say that. >> he said -- buckner's daughter is an actress and he cast her in a later episode. it was an easy trade because they were both wonderful and everybody wins. >> that was the most painful world series, probably the most painful sporting event i ever watched, i almost passed out about 12 times. it's weird. i never blamed buckner. >> no. >> in real time. i won't say because another human being said -- i have the people that i blame, but i will tell you, even in real time, i never blamed that series loss on buckner. a lot of true red sox fans did. >> most of the season he was lifted far defensive replacement. he was at the end of his career, couldn't play bad feet, and the manager wanted him out there to celebrate. >> every postsan they had dave

stapleton for defense but they wanted to keep him in there to celebrate with his team. >> obviously, the book is on the world series. i guess you rank the best world series of all time. i have them at 2004, 2007, 2013, 2018. after that, what's next? >> the greatest i ever saw 1991. >> no doubt. >> two last place teams the year. they meet in the world series. the first ever in atlanta. minnesota had been there, but they had fallen on hard times. the home team wins every game. so everybody goes home happy. you go back toen minnesota. down 3-2 and minnesota win this is a walk-off in game six. and a shutout in ten innings. hall of fame stuff. >> you know what's incredible about that series though? i'm so glad you said that. because first of all, it broke our heart.

but every pitch mattered. the moves that each one of the managers made. it really was like seven chess games played out. you could see it unfold. i have never seen a series like that. >> it was incredible. in talking to the manager of the twins back then, talking to terry pendleton where he hesitates around second base and can't score. there's all these little moments. ten innings, you don't see that anymore. >> willie's friend tyler, quick dwe question. are you a savant like joe is? can you remember each year, each player? >> you can ask me any world seerds game since 199 and i can tell you the starting pitcher.

>> 1934, the gas house gang beat the tigers. >> 1950. >> the yankees swept the phillies. >> '60? >> one of the coolest world series, win it is with a walk-off, but what was so cool about the series is the yankees crushed the pirates in three of the games. >> 55-27 was the overall score. >> and the pirates just squeaked by with that incredible shot. >> '63? >> you picked the good ones. >> dodgers swept the yankees. so thank you. >> how? i can't do it. >> let's talk 1988. we know the headline, he hobbles around. you go back and talk to the players. i had totally forgotten this. eckersley, who gave up the home run, it was the at bat before

that that might have cost him. >> that's the one that sticks with these guys. bases are empty. two outs. he has to get mike davis, who was hitting .196 this year. he was teammates with him a year before when he had a bunch of home runs. so he's taking this guy seriously. he walked -- he would face 95 more batters and didn't walk anybody. but he walked mike davis. if he had gotten him out, gibson doesn't get in the game. gibson hobbles to the plate. davis steals second. gibson can relax because all it takes is a single now and he hits it over the fence. >> it's been the joy of our red sox fans. just the greatest. and it's all stream of conscious. last game they were asking about

you must be thinking about your dad. i don't really. i don't really think about a dad. i should. because he was always -- he goes, i need to start thinking about my dad. but hids heart was on his sleeve. he was so thrilled that you can see how excited he was. losing them, it's tough. >> this season, there weren't many reasons to watch, but eckersley was one of them. so handicap this year's field. we're down to our final eight. we have established the table and we're rooting for the guardians. >> ifsz out in seattle. they had a 21-year stretch. i covered them. and now they are back. and i can't say they are going to win because they are a wild card team, but that wouldn't fun to. oous ton has made it five years in a row.

if seattle could knock them off, that's what i'm rooting for. all that said, dodgers are the best team in baseball. the dodgers have built something really special. to me, they are the favorites. >> covered the yankees for the long time. we have to talk about aaron judge. they start their series. what is the conversation inside baseball about more people believe he is the realtime single season home run record, or like it or not, it's bonds, it's 73 home runs. >> that's the feeling. it's bonds' record. it's convenient, none of the al guys broke it. he will have that. i think it's just the context of the times. that's the way the game was. they weren't testing anybody, so it was look the other way and let it all happen. and we saw a lot of records fall. it's great to see judge do it -- three yankees hit 60 home runs.

nobody else in the american league has done that. it's cool. a guy like judge who seems to get yankee history and a humble guy, handles himself the right way, it was a great story. >> do you not think that major league baseball should recognize judge as a single season home run champ? >> bonds set the record. like it or not. >> his head grew. >> but he was always eligible to play. are we going to say those world series didn't count? or the pitchers who he hit home runs, the pitchers, what do we do with that? it's a real slippery -- what do we go with ruth? he played in a segregated league. the context of that was different. so it's the context of the times unfortunately. >> wow. good to meet you. >> he's all our friend. >> he's america's friend. >> the book is called the "grandest stage." it's great to have you on. >> thank you very much.

that does it for us this morning. jose diaz-balart picks up msnbc's live coverage after a quick final break. s live covera quick final break.

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