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campaign trial today. plus, in pennsylvania's senate race, dasha burns sat down exclusively with democrat john fetterman. what he is telling our team in his first in-person tv interview since his stroke. plus, in ukraine, president zelenskyy is asking for help from ukraine's allies in the west. military aid to be specific. better air defense systems and those massive russian strikes on ukraine's major cities continued today. and later on this hour, we're going to ask the national security council's john kirby if

the white house is ready to give mr. zelenskyy what he wants. i am katy tur in for hallie jackson. we're going to start this hour with ali in carrollton, georgia, and atlanta journal constitution holly mitchell. what have you been hearing on the trail about walker and the folks who came out to support him? >> reporter: after i left you guys last hour, he spoke here at the podium with senator rick scott and senator tom cotton. they spoke for about 15 minutes. abortion only coming up once in this speech. brought up in the sense of these three republican lawmakers saying that herschel walker's opponent, senator warnock, believes what they call in abortion on demand. and i would call their speeches really more of a reason not to

vote for senator warnock rather than a speech promoting all the reasons that republican georgia voters should vote for herschel walker. we heard a lot of mentions about biden's policies. biden's agenda. lack of a focus on crime. the opioid epidemic. inflation. high gas prices. things that cotton and senator scott said should be the focus of this race. notably herschel walker spoke last and is now taking some photos and speaking with voters. that's when senators scott and cotton really had a press availability with reporters here where we asked them should these allegations against walker that a former ex-girlfriend is saying walker paid for her abortion in 2009, pressured her to have a second one in 2011. whether that should factor with them given their stances as anti-abortion rights republicans. they say that doesn't matter at

the end of the day. that the issues that should matter to republican georgia voters are the issues that i mentioned before. i also asked senator scott whether there are other republican lawmakers that have committed to coming here to georgia to support walker. he said there are more. i asked who those specific lawmakers are and he didn't say. i asked him if he will be here in the next four weeks stumping for walker. he said he would come back, but again, republican voters here and republican senators scott and cotton saying these allegations against walker at the end of the day don't matter. that republicans have had their minds made up for months now and especially in this critical state of georgia. really this critical race, if republicans want to win back control of this currently 50/50 senate. >> whether those two republicans will give voters cover for continuing to support herschel walker. we've seen some campaign ads tia, from warnock, talking about the allegations against

walker. they're not voiced by warnock. i don't believe his image add peers in the ads. correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think we've heard from warnock on these allegations. there are also other democrats who are pretty quiet on this. what's the strategy from the reporting and how's it playing? >> well, warnock has only directly responded to the allegations when asked by the media during those gaggles. he is not talking about the allegations in his stump speech during the official campaign activities, but when he's been asked by the media, he's said he finds it disturbing, but it's up to the voters of georgia to decide if they think herschel walker should represent them in the senate. and what we think the strategy is for warnock and for other democrats is to try to be as hands off as possible because, well, two things. number one, the adage in politics, if you're enemy is digging a hole for themselves,

you don't need to get your hands dirty. you let your opponent do all the work. so that's part of it that they think herschel walker is doing all by himself. getting himself in more trouble. they don't think they need to pile on, but there's also that concern and we're starting to see that now, that republicans, if they think warnock is going too hard about walker's you know, blemishes so to speak, they will then start bringing up warnock's perceived blemishes and there's a new ad out that brings up for example the allegations from reverend warnock's ex-wife. she accused him of running over her foot with the car. he did not face any charges. the police came, said they saw no signs of injury, but she's you know, basically said he's a bad guy and now republicans are saying hey, warnock has problems, too, when it comes to his dealing with women. democrats know that. warnock has said he did nothing

wrong. democrats have stood by him. this came up during his campaign in 2020 and 2021, but that is a risk that as democrats empathize walker concerns, republicans are going to start amplifying what they say is problematic behavior from warnock. >> today is the last day to register to vote in georgia. have we gotten any numbers from georgia officials about who's registering and how it compares to prior years? >> so of course we'll wait and see what the final numbers are, but in general, the trend in georgia has been more younger voters are registering. more voters in those new younger voters and to be more diverse, voters of color, newer voters. that is i would say the overall trend in georgia but this, you have to note that the registration today is not just for the general election, but if

there are any runoffs in december. so, yes. both parties are trying to make sure that anyone they think could be a help for their side does get registered, but democrats feel very good about the numbers. then it becomes a turnout question. >> and it is one of those races where if one candidate does make it over 50%, there will be a runoff as we've seen in the past. thank you ladies for joining us. in pennsylvania senate race, nbc news just sat down exclusively with the democratic nominee, john fetterman. his first in-person interview for television since his stroke. fetterman talks about his recovery along with issues that have loomed large over the race including abortion rights, crime, and inflation. it comes as a senior biden administration official tells cnbc the president will join fetterman at a campaign event next week. dasha joins me now from pittsburgh with that exclusive interview.

i want to hear about the interview, but is this a first time we're going to see fetterman with the president in quite some time on this campaign trial? in the past, i know fetterman has been otherwise engaged when the president was in town. >> he did meet with him when he visited pennsylvania just a few weeks ago here. in fact, that marijuana announcement coming from president biden that he will be pardoning some federal marijuana offenses. that was a conversation that fetterman did have with the president. that's some reporting that nbc news had put out during that visit. but i will tell you, we are just four tuesdays away here from voters heading to the polls and in fact, i'm standing in front of the board of elections building right now where voters are already dropping off their mail-in ballots and we sat down with lieutenant governor john fetterman in his first in-person interview since his stroke. look, i talked with him back in may. back before the primary.

before the stroke. at his home. that interview very different from what we discussed. very different from the backdrop that we have here today. same venue we sat down with him at his home. but even the set up of the interview looked very different. he is still suffering from auditory processing issues, which means he has a hard time understanding what he's hearing so nbc news agreed to closed captioning during this interview so you'll see in the clip i'm about to play, he has a screen in front of him transcribing those questions. once he can read, he can fully understand what i'm asking and he's also still suffering from some of those speech challenges. he's doing speech therapy every day. his campaign says he's recovering and i'll tell you, we've been to several rallies since the stroke and it does seem that he is improving every day.

however, we did press for medical records. we pressed for an interview with his medical team because right now, we're really taking the campaign's word for his recovery. we have not received any of those records. we haven't been able to speak to anyone on his team. there's a lot that's changed between may and today. that also includes the supreme court decision to overturn roe v. wade. another topic we spoke with him about. take a listen. >> on the issue of abortion, i just want to clarify your position there. do you believe that the government should set, be able to set guardrails on abortion or do you believe that this is a decision that should only be made between a woman and her doctor? >> i'm saying that roe v. wade should have never fallen and that should be codified into law. that's my answer on it. to be absolutely clear. >> but you say you want to codify roe v. wade which

protects a woman's right to abortion before viability, but allow states to enact abortion restrictions after that. so do you want to codify roe v. wade or leave the decision between a woman and her doctor? >> i don't know how much clearer. roe v. wade. that's the way it should have been, the way it was for the last 50 years and the way it should be and i would vote and vote to call, get rid of the filibuster and deliver that if i was a senator or that kind of a vote. >> reporter: we also talked with him about the issue of crime, about inflation, gas prices, and so much more. you'll be able to see more of this conversation tonight on nightly news and tomorrow morning on the "today" show. >> thank you very much. you can catch more of her exclusive interview as she just said on "nbc nightly news." coming up, president zelenskyy is asking today for more military aid and stronger

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today on day eight of the oath keepers seditious trial, text messages ahead of the january 6 attack between members of the far right group were read out in federal, or in court, excuse me. one of the texts read quote, war is on the horizon. we either will have a country and will be battling antifa like bugs to keep it or we will have

lost our country and we will be fighting to regain it. ryan riley is outside of the courthouse. walk us through what happened today. >> reporter: there's this battle going on about the betrayal of the oath keepers. what would be most beneficial would be to down play their actions, to say it was a lot of bark. not a lot of bite. if they can make the jury think they were just playing dress up is also a benefit to them. but a lot of these messages have shown how serious a lot of these were. there's a real contrast between how defendants are presenting themselves and these messages we see in court and the other evidence that's come out as a result of this. i take thomas caldwell, one of the individuals whose messages you just showed there. in court, if you look at it, he's got a cane with him. he's got a seat with a really

high back on it. he's certainly not making any effort to down play any restrictions he might have in terms of his age or physical capabilities but contrast that when he arrived at the capitol on january 6th with his wife. >> day i wipe my [ bleep ] on pelosi's doorknob. >> reporter: same sort of thing in the text messages we see coming out of here. a lot of threatening language and planning. caldwell is the individual, he's a former intel guy. he actually briefly worked for the fbi for a couple of months and he was organizing this quick reaction for us outside of d.c. and was in charge of basically a boat load of weapons stored at a hotel not far from the capitol that were going to be ready for anyone to come in and use were there an emergency is what the defense would say.

but what the prosecution is saying is they were at the ready and there's a lot of suggest to suggest they were at the ready in case donald trump called them up to interrupt the peaceful transfer of power. in fact, several oath keepers did go inside the u.s. capitol on january 6th and we should expect more testimony in the coming days including officer harry dunn. >> that was a very loud motorcycle muffler. you covered through it. thank you very much. nbc news has exclusive reporting related to another january 6th investigation. secret service agents tried to find out what information was seized from their personal cell phones, but their requests submitted by the freedom of information act was denied. this comes after nbc news previously reported secret service leadership took 24 phones from agents involved in the response to the attack on the capitol. julie joins us now with her

exclusive reporting. this underscores attention between the agents and their leadership. why were they denied the requests to find out what they had taken? >> in the document we reviewed, we were able to see a denial of the foia request, a question to figure out what information the government might have on a particular topic and in this case, it was secret service agents asking their own service service foia department for information that might have been taken from their cell phones and handed over to investigators. this could include who they've called, how long those calls lasted and communications with right wing militia. last week in court, we learned that the head of the oath keepers has been perhaps in touch with a secret service agent leading up to january 6th. they want to know what information has been gleaned and

handed over to congressional investigators and department of homeland security inspector general. the fact that secret service leadership is not sharing that information with agents might point to a bigger issue here and the fact that perhaps these agents are reluctant to share this information and that leadership coming off the burn last summer when those text messages were reported missing, they are now trying to repair that image and hand over as much information as they can. >> i know the work phones were raised as part of a system upgrade. the personal phone, even if the messages were deleted off them, any reason to believe they might be easier to access through you know, whatever extra technology the department might have? because they weren't wiped officially by in a more official, formal way? >> yeah. there's definitely reason to believe that. this summer when we were talking about the fact that the work phones were wiped, a lot of

people said what about the personal phones. that there were communications anyone might want to keep secret. often time, they don't do it on their government phone. they do it on their personal phone. so that would be a reason why they might want to get to the bottom of that. it's not just a matter of what they would want to keep secret. it's the response to that day. think about cassidy hutchins' testimony. all of those are big questions and the secret service communications might just have the answers. >> julia, thank you so much. and still ahead, protests in iran are ongoing after a 16-year-old girl was allegedly beaten to death by security forces. how her death may be impacting the movement. but first, ukrainian president zelenskyy asked the g7 for more weapons today. how far is the united states willing to go? i'm going to ask john kirby from the white house national security council, next. the white house national security council, xtne if rayna's thinking about retirement, she'll get some help from fidelity to envision what's possible and balance risk and reward. and with a clear plan, rayna can enjoy wherever

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cities without power across ukraine for a second day today. those strikes largely targeting the energy grid have killed at least 19 people and injured 105 according to ukrainian officials. richard engel joining me now from mykolaiv, ukraine. the issue is that they're launching them in places they can't get. being pushed out of the east and the south as we speak. >> reporter: so in many ways, this is the weakest that russia has been since it began this invasion nearly a year ago. the invasion started on a very early morning in february. february 24th. i remember i was in ukraine at the time and it began in a similar way. you saw russia launching missile strikes, air strikes, all across the country.

into kyiv. into densely populated areas. and russia's done that again for the first time in many months, but there's a striking difference. when russia first launched this war so many months ago with these wide scale attacks, there was panic in this country. fear. refugees were running toward the train stations. they were streaming out country. i crossed the border into ukraine today as these widespread strikes continued for a second day and there was not panic here. ukrainians are no longer afraid of what the russians have been dishing out against them. they've been making enormous gains on the front lines in the east and in the southeast where i am right now and they saw these attacks in kyiv and lviv where there were major power outages and they are determined to push on. there was absolutely no one at the border. where we crossed today, we didn't see a single person in any of the refugee centers. we saw humanitarian aid workers there waiting to receive people,

doing absolutely nothing. just waiting for crowds that never emerged. so a very different situation psychologically from the, in response to these wide scale russian attacks. >> it's interesting because what you're seeing in the russian borders is that same fleeing you once saw on the ukrainian border, but over there, it's men who are trying to avoid the draft. >> reporter: so that is a very interesting dichotomy here. you are seeing russians, by the way, some russians who were recently supportive of the war or from families that were supportive of the war that are escaping the draft and there's increasing criticism on a popular level in russia, and i know this anecdotally and you could see it in the russian media. still no overcriticism of president putin, but certainly criticism of the military.

an acknowledgment that the war, which is now being called a war in russia. for a time period, it was illegal to call it a war. you had to call it the special military operation because of this belief it was going to go quickly and smoothly and be victorious. now it is described as a war and is a war that is facing setbacks and that is why according to russian analysts and according to putin himself, they are trying to turn the tide by relaunching this offensive against ukrainian infrastructure. in particular, the power grid and civilian infrastructure as it is getting cold here. they want to freeze the people out. they want the people to be afraid to suffer so that there can be some sort of negotiated settlement that ukraine will give up part of the east. give up the south. make concessions and that's why he sought this emergency meeting of the g7. zelenskyy said he's not in the mood to negotiate. they feel they are on the front foot while russians are on the

back foot now. >> richard, thank you so much. richard engel from ukraine. and let's bring in the coordinator for strategic coordinations at the national security council, john kirby. really good to have you. let's start where richard ended, which is where zelenskyy says putin has no future and he's not going to negotiate. is it as richard said, his mood right now? could that change? or does the u.s. believe this is zelenskyy saying he's never going to negotiate with putin? >> i think we're going to leave it up as we said to mr. zelenskyy to determine if and when there's a time to negotiate then what success at the negotiating table looks like. clearly one thing is certain and that is that putin has shown no desire to end this war and he could end it today without negotiations if he chose. he seems to be doubling down. whether it's the reserve mobilization richard was just talking about. these sham referendum, attempts

at political annexation then these missile strikes over the weekend. every indication is that mr. putin wants to continue to prosecute this war. we're going to do what we can to make sure that when it becomes a negotiation, that president zelenskyy has all the tools at his disposal to be able to do that successfully in a way that he determines. >> i know you want to leave it up to him to decide when he's going to negotiate obviously between him and whoever at the negotiating table in russia, but for him to say i'm not going to negotiate with putin, if that is something he's going to stand by, that means unless something massive changes in russia, that there's not going to be a negotiated settlement to this war. >> we all want to see, we all want to see the war end, katy, period. obviously, the way that seems to be the best posture would be through some sort of negotiation. now obviously, both sides are just not willing to do that right now. but clearly, we in the united

states, this administration, we want to see the war end and we would prefer to see it end through some sort of diplomatic process. but again, mr. putin has shown no indication he's willing to stop fighting so it's understandable that president zelenskyy and the ukrainian armed forces want to keep defending their territory. >> zelenskyy wants more military aid. part of the reason he says there was not more damage done to ukraine is because they were able to shoot down a number of their missiles. is the united states planning on sending more of that sort of weaponry capable of shooting down missiles to ukraine soon? >> president biden in his call with president zelenskyy over the weekend, they talked about this need for air defense and the president committed that we would continue to provide air defense capabilities to ukraine. this is something we've been providing since the beginning of the conflict. whether it was stinger missiles or helping slovakia give them their s300 long range system. we're procuring eight surface to

air missile systems, the first two should be getting to ukraine in the near future, so yes, we will continue to do what we can to help them. >> what's your sense of the u.s. assessment of how russia is doing now in terms of weapons? the missiles they've sent over, not the most highly sophisticated. maybe ones they've used in the past. what does that tell you about what russia has at its disposal? >> i think and we've talked about this before. we know that the sanctions and the export controls have had an effect on mr. putin's defense industrial base. particularly when it comes to manufacturing precision guided munitions. that is why over recent months he has relied more and more on quote unquote dumb bombs. not precision guided munitions because he's having trouble stockpiling the precision guided munitions that are available to him. sorry. we know he's struggling with that. why else would he reach out to iran for drones?

we think some of those were used in this weekend's attack. because he's having trouble getting the micro electronics to make these. >> you said there's no change to russia's nuclear posture. nothing's being moved around to suggest they're readying for something. last week, and i know you've already responded to this, but president biden used the word, armageddon. scared a lot of folks. what he was pointing to was the severity of the circumstance. still, still, using the word armageddon is a lot. here's what congressman don bacon who's on the house armed services told kristen welker on "meet the press" over the weekend. >> i do think putin is a cornered animal. i think he is unpredictable, unstable. he is getting beat in ukraine. piece by piece. he's being embarrassed. we got to stand firm towards him. if you can't let a bully push you around. i also think president biden's

got to be more careful though throwing down the nuclear armageddon was a little too flippant. president of france, macron, chided him on it. >> is it too flippant? he said it in new york. here in new york, we've seen psas put out by the local government here that are telling people what to do in case of a nuclear attack. so when you use that word armageddon and you have that psa, it scares people. any regrets from the president? >> i want to stress we are monitoring mr. putin's nuclear capabilities as best we can as we have since the very beginning because since the very beginning, he's been using this irresponsible rhetoric about the use of nuclear weapons and we have seen nothing that would indicate mr. putin is prepared to move in that direction. nothing that indicates that his forces are even preparing to tee up the option for him to use nuclear weapons and we've seen nothing that would make us change our own nuclear deterrent

posture. the president's been very clear about that. i think he wanted to reenforce that the risks are still there and that the stakes are very high right now as the congressman just noted, as mr. putin becomes more and more aware of his own failings inside ukraine, as he becomes more desperate to try to fill the ranks, we need to be mindful of escalation management here and the president was simply reenforcing the fact the stakes are very high. >> i want to change gears and talk about north korea. what's the u.s. assessment for why north korea's conducted so many launches in such a short period of time? >> difficult to know what kim jong-un is thinking on any given day. we don't have perfect intelligence into his decision making process. one thing we know is number one, these missile launches only continue to contribute to instability on the peninsula rather than stability. and two, with each one he does, whether it's successful or not, he learns. his program improves and he gets to sharpen his capabilities and

that in and of itself is not good for our national security interests or those of our allies in south korea or japan, which is why we have increased our intelligence gathering capabilities in the region to try to get more visibility on what they're doing and why. but it's also why we have conducted now several exercises in just the last eight to ten days. some bilaterally. some with japan, with south korea, and we're also working on improving trilateral cooperation between the three of us to make sure that we can defend ourselves and our interests. that we have the appropriate military capabilities in place should these spur a conflict or endanger our national security. >> what about the readiness of our troops and bases in south korea? they changed the law to say they can strike first. they can use it on the battlefield if they think they're losing. they've also said it's not just kim jong-un who has the power to launch a nuclear weapon. they're transferring that power

down to someone below him in case they say the leadership gets taken out. >> all the more reason for us to make sure we've got the appropriate security arrangements in place. that we have the appropriate military capabilities on the peninsula and in the region because it's not just the peninsula that's under threat by kim jong-un in the region to be ready to go. that's why we conducted these exercises. it's why we have tens of thousands of troops on the korean peninsula and that they're regularly training. as they say, ready to fight tonight. they have to be. >> on iran, i know the united states has said it supports the protesters there. they let go of some of the regulations allow for internet companies to get people access to internet in iran. star link is one of those. elon musk's star link. needs terminals there in order for it to work. has the u.s. helped terminals get into that country? >> as far as i'll go today with you is to tell you we have been

and will continue to find ways to help the iranian people stay connected to the outside world, which they very much want to do. so that has the regime continues to crack down on their access to information, we're going to work with friends and allies and partners to make sure that there's, that there is some access to outside information for all the innocent iranian protesters who simply want to state their case and to do so peacefully. >> is there going to be a change on the iran deal and whether we continue to pursue it? there's been criticism that any deal made by the u.s. in these circumstances only goes to fund the regime and make it stronger. >> one, we've sanctioned the morality police and other iran officials with respect to the death and the violence they've been inflicting on their own people. we have instituted sanctions.

the second thing is that we are just not anywhere real close to getting the iran deal back in force right now. we are in fact farther away than we were four to six weeks ago when we thought we were close. so there's no immediate worry right now that for anybody who might be worried about it that there's going to be an iran deal. we still believe that a diplomatic path is the best path to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon and the president is 100% committed to that outcome. to them never achieving a nuclear weapon. no matter what the problems are in iran or the region, none of them get easier to solve if the regime gets a nuclear weapon. >> john kirby, thank you so much for joining us. appreciate all of your time. >> you bet. iran's oil workers are working off the job in solidarity with the ongoing protests. more than four weeks after a woman died after being in police

custody. 60 people have been killed, but human rights believe that number is much higher. one of the possible casualties is a 16-year-old girl. you see her here. human rights groups say this is her and she was beaten to death by security forces last month. but iranian officials dispute that saying her death was unrelated to the protest. joining me now is nbc news correspondent, megan fitzgerald. what's the latest? >> i've been speaking with scholars who say it's quite a statement to see these men as you mentioned from iran's biggest industry, the oil industry, standing in solidarity with these women. now we know there's a couple of things at play here. they were standing in solidarity with the women, but they were also protesting work conditions. now that of course is according to a group that represents these contract oil workers. a governor of a city where we've seen this demonstrations says this is nothing more than community gatherings, where someone in a crowd decided to

chant and put fires in bins. you can't overlook the fact that we're talking about country that's seen economic decline over the years. where inflation is sky rocketing. there's this understood lying tension of frustration among the people there so we are seeing these men joining women in solidarity, protesting. these are young women under the age of 30. many of them teenagers taking to the streets. taking to schoolyards to protest. to find the supreme leader really risking it all. risking getting arrested or even being killed as you mentioned. that 16-year-old who attended a protest then died. the iranian government of course saying she took her own life. the family disputing that, but as we continue to see these deaths, it continues to fuel this revolution. this is a movement that doesn't show signs of stopping. >> thank you very much. coming up next, why there is skepticism, confusion and frustration inside meta. some of it directed at mark

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meta is launching a new virtual reality headset this afternoon at a difficult and high stakes time for the company. the tech giant is trying to become what it calls a meta verse company where billions of people work, socialize and play games in a virtual world, but those efforts are off to a rough start. "the new york times" reports that there is skepticism, confusion and frustration inside the company. meta executives have butted heads over the metaverse strategy. some employees are skeptical it will even work. and the company's flag ship virtual reality game so far is buggy and unpopular. this is according to more than a dozen current and former meta employees and internal communications obtained by the times. in response, quote, being a cynic about new technology is

easy, actually building it is a lot harder but that's what we're doing because we believe the metaverse is the future of computing. i want to bring in "new york times" technology reporter, ryan mack. good to see you. you write that employees told you, two of them, some workers now jokingly refer to key metaverse product as mmh. an acronym for make mark happy. what is going on? >> so that's a reference of course to mark zuckerberg and yeah, the employees that we've talked with believe or at least are a little confused by the metaverse. of course, last year, the company made this big pivot thi reality world and changed its name to meta. and now there's just a lot of doubles internally to the point where a lot of these meta verse projects, whether these are games or different apps that are being built or even the hardware itself, are being questioned.

and like you mentioned, a lot of people are referring this to kind of a mark zuckerberg vanity project, if you will, so yeah, not great inside the company. >> what about what facebook says or meta says, that we're still figure, it out, we're working on this technology, i mean, is there a sense that -- that maybe it's a little bit too early to start trying to take it all down? >> i think so, and if you go back to markzuckerberg's presentation, he said some things would be five, ten years down the line. if you are facebook or meta, they made this very long-term bet on the future. at the same time, you're looking at, you know, its business performance, the stock is down about 60% in the last year, the company spent about $10 million on vr and ar projects last year. and it seems like investors are quite unhappy, as well as employees, as to the direction

of this pivot. and so, our story was kind of looking at how things have gone over the last year and it's been quite rocky. >> what about users? are people buying this headset, were they buying the last headset? >> it's -- it's a little tough out there. if you look at horizon world, which is the kind of flagship app that they built for their vr headset, it has about 300,000 monthly active users, which is a fraction, i mean, if you look at something like facebook, a very well-used product, facebook has, i think more than 2.9 billion users around the world. so, yeah, some people are buying these things, whether they're using them or not is another question. >> we had one for a second, we were testing it out, my family and it was -- it was weird to put it on. there's a walk the plank thing and even though you know you're standing on the ground, i couldn't walk the plank and jump even in virtual reality.

that being said, it didn't feel real other than the fact that i couldn't jump off the plank, it didn't feel like i was in a real space. there was no touch, there was no smell. all of those physical sensations that we associate with the real world aren't there. is that part of what's forcing this struggle right now? or is there a feeling that none of that stuff really matters for the future? >> well, i think, i mean, meta would probably argue it's not meant to be -- completely mimic the real world, but at the same time, it's supposed to give you an escape to a different dimension, i guess. and they would say the experience will get better over time. today they had an announcement with a new $1,500 device that's supposed to have a lot better experience and a lot better, i guess games and apps and that kind of thing, but you know, i think it will take time for them to develop and it's a question of whether people are ready to accept, you know, this new

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mother. >> why don't you pass the time by playing a little solitaire? >> reporter: in real life, she was just three years older than harvey. >> i think "manchurian candidate" was the best thing i did on film. >> reporter: frustrated that hollywood was making her old before he time, lansbury went to broadway and created the role that changed her career. ♪♪ it made her a full-pledged star. >> i love playing her, because for the first time in my life. i was admired as a woman. >> reporter: for the act centric ander repressable maim, she won the first of five tonys, honored for a play and musical including "sweeting tom." ♪ what's your rush ♪ ♪ what's your hurry ♪

>> reporter: born in england, lansbury married twice, the second time to peter shaw for 54 years, with whom she had two children and became an american citizen. her remarkable range kept her career strong as she aged. for a dozen seasons as jessica fletcher on tv's "murder, she wrote." >> one of you please tell me what's happening. >> reporter: and mrs. potts in the big screen's "beauty and the beast." ♪ true as it can be ♪ my kind of thing has always been, try me, you know? people said, would you do so and so, i said, i don't know, try me. let me read it, you know? and that's the way it's always been. >> reporter: leaving a legacy of characters that were just sensational. ann thompson, nbc news. >> i like that. try me. that will do it for me today. "deadline white house" starts

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