good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. high stakes political drama unfolding today. in two of the closest senate races in the country with two embattled candidates trying to keep their shot at victory from slipping away. this georgia republican nominee herschel walker is tripling down, maybe quadrupling down on his denials about an ex-girlfriend's abortion. >> flat out denial a lie. >> and democrat john fetterman giving his first in-person interview since suffering a stroke to nbc. he claims he's good to go, but he won't release his medical records to prove it. we'll have live reports from both states, show you that interview and ask pennsylvania democrat whether she thinks voters deserve more. plus will there be a smoking gun at the investigation on capitol hill the answer just 24 horse away.

and finally it turns out intentionally slamming a $330 million spacecraft into the side of an asteroid is a good thing. how nasa's grand experiment that could one day save the planet went from science fiction to science tact. we start with politics and new dramatic twists in georgia and pennsylvania. for fetterman, national democrats assumed he'd benefit from a weaker candidate in maine mt oz, but his lead has been cut in half and new questions about fetterman's health put the candidate squarely on defense. in georgia he was expected to embody the conservative values of the republican base and he asked donald trump's entorsment. but polls show warnock leading. the repeated allegations against walker undermining his support among women. and now the race is so close it's very possible neither candidate get 50% in november, and that would force a runoff.

allison barber is in atlanta. dasha burns is in pittsburgh and cornell belle. er is an analyst. so despite all the allegations, the race in georgia is still essentially a dead heat. have you opinion able to assess on the ground what kind of impact the allegations have had on walker's candidacy? >> look, this is dominating headlineses. people are paying attention to it. we're starting to see although slight, some movement in the polls. you have two new polls out today in both of them warnock is slightly ahead of walker in one of them. warnock is above that 50% threshold. that being said, this is still a really tight race. and while you have seen some very few, but some republicans at the state level talk about concerns they have in regards to walker's candidacy, we're seeing national republicans really rally behind walker. in terms of the republican base

here, most seem to still be in herschel walker's corner. he did give his most extensive denial of those allegations that he previously paid for an abortion for the mother of one of his children in an abc interview that aired last night. listen some of them. >> but at this point, you know now? >> yes. >> did you have a conversation with this woman at any time about an abortion? >> no. >> did you ever to your knowledge give money to pay or the cost of an abortion. >> no. >> is she lying? >> yes, she's lying. >> people are going to be paying close attention to the taebt here on friday. one other thing worth noting, "the washington post" is the third outlet to report that they have seen a copy of the $700 check walker sent this woman in the days after. she reportedly had an abortion procedure. nbc news has not verified that check. but the details match details in

reports we have seen from "the daily beast" and "new york times"s. >> she has that receipt according to the other sources, which we have not confirmed. we appreciate that. cornell, we don't know why because they didn't ask the question in the poll about the abortion controversy. but walker is losing ground with women. there's no doubt about that. put the two candidates are basically still tide. what do you take away from those two facts? fbz. >> i take away from it that it is a toss upstate. thank you for pointing out in that poll that it's not really a lead. sometimes we say he leads 48 to 46. for average voters, that means that warnock is winning. and he's going to win the race. that's not true. it's a toss-up. that can go any direction.

i suspect that herschel walker is going to get darn near every one of of those trump voters because it didn't disqualify donald trump, why should it disqualify herschel walker. what is interesting about georgia if you look at warnock's performance the last round, he won women by roughly 8 points in the last election. the question is warnock doesn't have a chance of getting ahead of warnock if warnock holds on to that gender gap if women voters are still plus 8 points for warnock. so with all these allegations and even before the abortion stuff, allegations about abuse, with all these allegations, how do reports in georgia shrink that agendaer gap. how did they shrink warnock's

advantage among women voters opposed to a growing. >> what about the reverse of that question? which is how do democrats take advantage of it? we know the republicans are pretty much all in mitch mcconnell said just said i think we're going to stick with walker. they are going to hang in there and scrap to the finish. so what do the democrats need to do? >> democrats are doing what they need to do. that is put his record out there. he has a horrendous record on women's issues and all of this are proof points to that. it's disqualifying. if warnock pulls this out, it's going to be because, quite frankly, gender gap that we saw developing in 2018 and 2020 is going to continue to grow not shrink in georgia. i look at warnock and i see no way they are going to shrink

that gap down to 3 or 4 points which they need in order for them to win that state. democrats in georgia are doing all across the country continue to drive these women's issues, continue to drive the gender gap and make the electorate look more like 2018 than it did in 2010. >> you got the first in-person interview. how do you think it's going to affect his candidacy? >> reporter: john fetterman said i'm not your typical politician. this was not your typical political interview. i want to set up what you're about to see as i play this portion of the interview for you here. we agreed to use closed captioning during the interview. this is an accommodation that the campaign has been open about. he has lingering side effects from the stroke including

auditory processing issues, which means he has a hard time understanding what he's hearing sometimes. so he uses that to address that issue. meaning he's reading our questions as we're asking them. it's a live transcription. experts say this is something that is a common symptom of strokes. it doesn't mean he's cognitively um pard, meaning his problem solving abilities, his memory, that's not necessarily affeced. he can fully recover from this. but what every of medical expart we talked to has said the caveat they have given is they cannot fully assess a patient without all of the information. we have asked time and again for medical records. we have asked to have a conversation with his doctors, and i asked in this interview why he has not revealed that information to reporters. take a listen. >> don't voters deserve to know your status now? >> as i said, being on -- in front of thousands of people and having interviews and getting around across pennsylvania, that

gives everybody and the voters decide if they think that it's really the issue. >> but the voters aren't doctors. you have styled yourself as the noble candidate. it's why a lot of people are drawn to you. sometimes that's easy, and sometimes in moments like this, that gets tested. why not follow through on that and be fully transparent and release all of that information? >> i said, i am putting everything tested. i am being out and being tested day in and day out. and if my doctor teams already said that i'm fine and i'm ready to go on that, then i'm not really sure that's much more beyond transparent. >> fetterman is set to debate his republican rival dr. oz on october 25th. the voters i have been talking to, i met some folks who are still undecided. they said they are waiting to watch that before they make

their decision on who they are going to cast their ballot for. >> thank you for that. i want to bring in congresswoman mad line dean. is it fair for a voter to say maybe i have a chance to see him on the campaign trail or saw the interview that dasha burns did. i want to know what his doctors are saying now before i dpo to the ballot. should he just put everything out there right now? >> i don't have an answer for that. put what i will say is i have spent time with john fetterman and his wife over the course of this campaign and previously. i also was in touch with him after of the stroke. he was recently in montgomery county at our community college in front of nearly 3,000 beaming, cheering crowds. he did well. he was funny. he was honest, as he was in that interview about sometimes smoosh ing his words together.

i do that as well. i have to tell you from my personal conversations with him, from his work with that entire crowd ask then with a smaller crowd, he was funny, he was capable, and i don't know what doctors reports would reveal that. >> you like to be in the halls of capitol hill. do you believe that currently he can function in that capacity? >> i have every confidence. >> do you think it will hurt him with some voters? >> it may, but what helps him is values. what does he stand for and what does the snake oil salesman mehmet oz stand for. he stands for selling you supplements and lying to you. john tether man believes in the values of protecting a woman's right to choose and privacy. mehmet oz thinks it should be illegal. take a look at their values. oz, election denier, hugs up to trump. what does fetterman care about? protecting our democracy. those two are probably the most important issues that really face voters this election cycle. so would you actually let the snake oil salesman, who is

mocking john fetterman for having had a stroke, a medical doctor, mocking the man for having had a stroke, be the person to sit, do you think that's somebody capable of leading us in the senate? i know my suburban voters say no way. >> big picture, you have talked about the fact that you're excited about the political talent that is in your party. fetterman and others. you could be somebody who could go into a higher profile role. there are a lot of people who are talking about the fact they are concerned about joe biden's age. they are concerned about nancy pelosi. people who have been sering for decades and decades and decades. is it time for fresh blood? >> fresh blood is already coming in. you know -- >> in leadership. >> yes. it's already coming in in leadership. i came in '18 and have had the chance to work with our talented top three, nancy pelosi, hoyer

and clyburn. and then we also have katherine clark. this is generationally different. katherine clark, pete aguilar. >> is it time for them to replace the nancy pelosi'ss? >> i look forward to number one getting through this election and making sure we hold the house. to your original point on this, bring in these talented people. it excites me like 2018 did. we brought in such diverse folks who said i want to step up. i wasn't thinking about politics at all. i want to step up. women, diversity of all types with great careers in their past. they are apart of our caucus. this election cycle gives us a second chance at that same kind of wave of talent that will begin to fill in and move up in our leadership. >> let me ask you quickly about something we know democrats are very interested in the issues of democracy. and presumably quite a few independents and swing voters as

well. folks. you have been an impeachment manager. you know the pressure. people are looking for a blockbuster final hearing. are they going to deliver it? >> i would not be a movie critic or blockbuster predictor, but our history tells us they have done an extraordinary job. i could not be prouder of this bipartisan committee headed by liz cheney and bennie thompson. my good friend -- >> but should we expect something that people would say, okay, that was worthy of wrapping up this whole thing. >> i'm confident of it. and here's what will be revealed at a minimum that i know of. the culpability of donald trump for the january 6th insurrection will be cemented in our history books forever. if he had only accepted electoral defeat, none of this would have happened. think about that. but the other thing i know that they will emphasize is january 6th was not a single day in

history. the precious nature and the precarious nature of our democracy is still hangs in the balance with all of these election deniers on the ballot. >> thank you so much. we appreciate you coming in today. >> thank you. this just in. former president trump has been ordered to sit for a deposition next week in a high profile defamation lawsuit. trump raped a woman in a dressing room in a department store in the mid-1990s. trump has repeatedly denied that claim and carol claims the denial of the allegation damaged her reputation. trump's legal team tried to delay the lawsuit and prevent him from being questioned, but u.s. district judge decided it's time to move forward writing, the defendant should not be permitted to run the clock out on plaintiff's attempt to gain a remedy for what was a serious wrong. president biden will soon arrive in colorado starting a

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we're getting new details on what we would hear from the january 6th committee tomorrow. it can be summarized in a single name. trump. axios reports the committee wants to behind miez players becoming a side show and keep evidence to dth on the attack. a former police officer injured reminded us what trump did or did not do that day. >> donald trump sat for 187 minutes and didn't do [ bleep ] while hundreds of police officers were fighting for their lives on the capitol steps. we now know he was watching intently throughout that entire period. >> nbc's ali vitali is with us on capitol hill. nicholas woo, for politico joins us as well. i don't know if you have a chance to hear madelyn, but i know shoois been talking to committee members, she feels

awfully confident about what they are going to be able to deliver tomorrow. what are you hearing? >> and congresswoman is someone that's been at the back of most of these hearings because she was in the house gal i ri on january 6th. she and i have talked extensively about her experience and frankly, for dean and other members and people in this community, the accountability factor having this aired in the public eye, presenting the public narrative, that's the key point of this committee. now the committee members would say that their responsibility here goes a step further and making a final report that will come at some point before the end of the year. here we do expect them to tease out new details, new video, documentary footage of roger stone talking about how even before we were in the month of november of 2020, how he thought that the former president trump should no matter what say that he won, regardless of what the votes looked like. we know that's what trump ultimately endeavored to do. so the focus will enevident bliss be on trump, but there

were key players in the orbit to speak to what the committee has tried to do all along, establishing his mind set, trying to show what the former president knew and what he didn't do on january 6th, as the officer points out there too. >> up with of the most interesting interviews people are waiting to hear about is ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. that interview was not videotaped, but how likely to get insights into what she had to say to the committee tomorrow? >> it remains to be seen exactly how they will deploy ginni thomas' testimony. with past interview, the committee that weren't recorded, you'll have a staff member or committee attorney reading out part of the interview. at the same time, committee members that i talked to didn't really seem to think that they actually gathered that many new gleans or information from ginni thomas. the chairman told us recently that what she told them was

fairly typical of what a lot of people who came to the capitol on january 6th or involved in denialism on january 6th thought. that being that they thought there were issues with the election and that motivated them in some ways to join in something else. as we saw that she did in trying to message officials to try to contest the election results. >> so all of this, obviously, could be an important motivator in getting democrats to the polls. we have seen polls that show that there is a lot of concern that they see trump republicans as a threat to a whole range of their rights. you wrote earlier this week about showing up in ads, and that it's really not. is that because candidates don't think it's going to move the needle with undecideds? what's happening in terms of democrats and them putting money into this message? >> democrats i talked to saw a lot of the former president's legal concerns. things related to mar-a-lago,

the attorney general investigation, fullton county and that issue. it's really being less of something that played well in swing districts and more that was an appeal to the base. it was something that would help them raise money. the difference, though, january 6th actually is something we see show up on the trail in very candidate-specific cases. we have seen democrats take out ads, for example, against republicans that weren't at the capitol on january 6th. just now i was watching a debate in virginia's second congressional district, not too far from washington, d.c. for elaine gloria is locked in a tight match. gloria is on the january 6th committee and we saw in her closing argument she tried to make her work part of her message to constituents. she said it would be one of the most important things that she's done in her career, as she was trying to prevent a clear and present danger to the country. this is where we're more like think to see january 6th show up. this these individual races

rather than in broader messaging. >> ali vitali, nicholas, great to have you on the program. thank you so much. don't forget to join msnbc for special coverage of the next january 6th hearing. that's tomorrow starting at noon eastern on msnbc. also available on peacock. now to the escalating political controversy taking over los angeles right now. president biden will be there later today after joining in with calls for the resignations of three city council members. audio was released of them making racist and offensive remarks about their colleagues, constituents and different l.a. communities. mike bon nondid not mince words about how painful this moment is. >> i take a lot of hits. i know i practically invite a bunch of them. but my son, that makes my soul bleed. it makes my temper burn.

i know i'm not alone. because los angeles has spoken and it feels the same way. >> i want to bring in senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell. you saw the emotion there. the president decided he was going to weigh into this full throttle. what do we expect to hear from him today? >> reporter: i have to kind of characterize this. the president has not spoken about this himself directly. it's been through his press secretary. she said that the president's view is that these members of the council should resign. so we will be watching to see how when he's in california how much he wants to step into this directly. of course, this is very much in line with the president's views on matters like this. and often as you know so well, when it comes to subjects that would be at a local city council level, very often that would not rise to the president's involvement, but this is the kind of issue that transcends a lot of of american life. it is the sort of corrosive kind

of issue that is part of what brought joe biden into the run for the white house that has him in office today. because it's not that far off from the soul of america point of view that has animated a lot of his reasons for wanting to be president at the time that he decided to enter the race back in 2020. so the president will be in california. we have not been given a lot of details about what his west coast swing will include in terms of how he will be engaged with some of the democratic candidates who were on the ballot out there, but los angeles has a mayoral race. he will be doing fundraising and doing some official events on the way as well. he's currently flying with air force one traveling west as we speak. his spokesperson has made it clear that the president does have an opinion on this subject and feels very strongly about it. >> kelly o'donnell, always good to see you from the white house.

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a harrowing scene in ukraine. this video released by ukraine state emergency service that chose a family literally being pulled out of the rubble after being trapped in a cellar of their own home following a russian attack. nee' toast's top leader is calling for an air defense to protect the skies after a wave of deadly strikes from moscow devastated towns and homes like the one there. right now president zelenskyy is meeting with leaders about funding for ukraine. even as more help is arriving from western allies, including a new air defense system from germany, a mid-range air defense system on the way from the united states, president biden saying the russian leader, quote, totally miscalculated this invasion and contingencies are ready should moscow use

techal nuclear weapons. is sdpli don't think he will, but it's irresponsible for him to talk about it. once you use a nuclear weapon, the mistakes that can be made, the miscalculations, who knows what would happen. >> have you asked the pentagon to game it out just in case? >> the pentagon didn't have to be asked. >> i want to bring in cal perry from kyiv. and evelyn farther cuss, former deputy assistant secretary of defense for russia, ukraine. cal, i have seen you walking around kyiv. you have seen firsthand when these missiles have done. how much of the people you're talking to depending on the decisions that are being made right now with world financial leaders, with joe biden and other western allies? >> people are relying on this. the people of kyiv are relying on the air defense systems. you look at church behind me. the church is usually brightly lit. it is stunningly beautiful.

this is a city that's intentionally dark tonight because this is a city that's right now living under air raid sirens. we're under an air raid alert. we're hearing the thud of air defense systems going to work. so it's something that people live with here every day. it's all the more real because of what happened on monday. and as you can see this damage on the left side of the screen, we've been watching people not just sort of try to repair and get life back to normal, but survey the damage. this city has not felt this way really since april, since the russians withdrew from the suburbs of kyiv. even then we didn't have airstrikes like we do now. we spent the day watching children survey a playground that they played at their entire lives. that was te stroied by the rockets. it has changed lives here. it's changed the way that people are going about their lives. and the cost in blood has been very real. two dozen people were killed. more than 120 were wounded in just 48 hours across the country. you look at the gripping video you played of the family coming out of the rubble, 70 people have died in just two weeks.

these airstrikes are effective on infrastructure and they are killing a great many people. >> thank you, we appreciate it evidencely, it's not just joe biden who is warning about putin. the spy chief made a rare speech calling his judgment flawed. >> rusia's forces are exhausted. the use of prisoners as reenforcements and now the mobilization of tens of thousands speaks at a really desperate situation. >> it's what we're hearing that it's increasingly desperate on the part of the russians. was he speaking to putin and the russians as to the west? and is the he issage hear we have an opening to shut this down. let's be united and do it? what did ewe hear in that? >> i think that's what heard.

that the russians are weak. they suffer from low moral, poor equipment that's insufficient and in need of repair. they can't get some of those components for the more advanced rep wep ri from overseas because of the sanctions. they suffer from poor communication, they don't have enough trained personnel. the list goes on. so yes, the moment right now is to help ukrainians actually push the russians out of their territory and frankly, it's long overdue for protecting civilians. as you pointed out, there's been thousands of ukrainians who have been killed and injured. the russians are not playing clean war, it there's ever a war that's clean, but they are breaking international law. so we need to really double down to force the military out and to protect the civilians. >> so obviously, those are the goals, but you're somebody who worked at defense. you know this stuff.

the asks from zelenskyy. can they help shorten the war or end the war? >> they certainly can do both things because the asks, providing tanks, he wants artillery, all of those things will push the russians back and deaden the exact of the artillery. they will make it neutral so the ukrainian forces can go forward. everything he's asking for will decrease the amount of time the ukrainians have to fight if they can get it fast enough. putin, on the other hand, is counting on us being too slow, not giving enough equipment. he's hoping to drag this out. so it's really in our interest to back ukraine up and get as much as we can to them. the air defense systems the germans are providing is great. it's not enough. there are more than four cities that need defending. >> so the president also called

vladimir putin a rational actor who miscalculated this war. where do you think nuclear weapons factor into the equation? because there's a lot of folks that think the more he's backed into a corner, the more likely he's to do something irrational. is biden right to think he won't go there? >> i think that president biden's correct that vladimir putin is a rational actor. he's motivated by this um peer y'all vision and to try to cement his place in history. put he's rational. he's threatening the use of tactical nuclear weapons to try to intimidate not so much the ukrainians, because he realizes he's not going to intimidate them, but he's trying to intimidate the west into halting or slowing support to the ukrainian government. it's in the first instance about than you can't rule out the possibility he might use them because his doctrine does say if the existence is at stake or the

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and said among other things in the courtroom, i'm not tolerating that. i will tell him this is not a dress rehearsal. it's real life. and i order that he be brought to the courtroom. so the court is adjourned. they are waiting for officials to go get him and make him leave where he is in lockup and show up in the courtroom. that could take a couple hours. we'll keep you posted on that. doj has made its case to the supreme court to stay out of the fight over documents that were seized at mar-a-lago arguing, among other things, that trump has no plausible claim of privilege or for return of the documents. and while that fight escalates, the central question remains, will attorney general merrick garland take the unpress dependented step of seeking an indictment against a former president. a provocative new piece suggests it's inevitable and could come sooner than you might think. for more i want to bring in ken dilanian and the author of that oral franklin fore, national correspondent for the atlantic.

ken, let's start with the doj filing. how soon can we expect the supreme court to rule on the appeal? gives us the laltest. >> chris, he could rule at any moment because the trump appeal was brought on an emergency basis. but the issue in contest here is a very narrow one. the only question before the supreme court is whether those more than 100 classified documents seized should go before the special master. because you'll remember the appeals court decided that the judge was wrong to block the fbi from using those classified documents in its investigation. so the fbi has the classified documents, they are using them in the investigation and the trump side is not con testing that part. they are only saying that these documents should be reviewed by the special master. but the justice department doesn't want that to happen. one of the reasons they are citing is they are saying if they do that, they have to turn the documents over to donald trump's lawyers. and they are saying that these are some of the most highly classified documents in the

government. very limited distribution, special access programs. lawyers have no business with these documents. neither does donald trump. he has no plausible claim to ownership of these federal government documents that are highly classified. now the question is whether the supreme court even takes up this argument or whether they just decide not to take the case at all. >> the big question where is all this going. frank, you spent months researching your story and you sat down with the attorney general. you acknowledge he didn't tip his hand, his colleagues didn't tip anything. so why do you believe an indictment is inevitable? >> two things have happened. i think one is that when you're attorney general of the united states, you sit in this position where you can see everything that's happened to american democracy. merrick garland, who is somebody that came into office as a very cautious, consensus-minded institutionalist. a lot of his faith in the american institution has begun to wobble as he's seen this

grand assault on democracy. i think that's led to a bit of a shift within his own thinking, where steps that he wouldn't have wanted to take at the beginning of 2021 are steps he's more willing to entertain. the second thing is that as the mar-a-lago case has filtered forward, you have trump assaulting the department of justice and the fbi accusing them of planting evidence. you have a case it's about an animating principle. it's the thing that he's talked about for all of his life. and so the question of whether to indict trump over the mar-a-lago documents or whatever the charge is, then becomes a question about does a rule of law apply to donald trump. i think in merrick garland's mind, that will be hard to make

that decision. as a matter of principle and morality, it becomes much clearer. >> as a reader, i think you made a strong case that given his personality, given the person he's been throughout his career, he maybe the only choice he can really make. my question is there such a person this this day in age who can ugh norse the political pressures, stay true to his job and stay true to who he is. >> merrick garland has taken so much heat. we have had this split screen where you have the january 6th investigation on capitol hill, which has presented a very clear narrative of what happened. and garland has taken so much heat because he hasn't told the same story where the commission makes it sound so simple. garland, who is somebody who is meticulous, who is all about procedure, who considers himself immune to political rage has

moved in this very slow step by step meticulous process of investigating the events of january 6th where he started for the people who set foot in the capitol and worked his way up the chain. apparently according to reports from the grand jury is getting closer and closer to trump's inner circle and closer to trump himself. i think it's really important to manage this case in a way that is above politics. it doesn't wreak of political revenge. and even if it's excruciating for some people, the case if it's brought needs to be brought in a way that sticks, that gets the the desired result, and that isn't half-baked, that doesn't decide exculpatory evidence and i think that's the way garland has approached the issues.

>> i can't recommend this article enough, whether or not people agree with your conclusion, the way you think about this and report this is so fascinating. frank, thank you. ken dilanian, goo to have you on the program as well. if it sounds like a hollywood sci-fi movie but it is as real as it gets. nasa calling the asteroid strike test a major success. why that could one day save all of us here on earth next. ay sav of us here on earth next 12 irresistible subs. the most epic sandwich roster ever created. ♪♪ it's subway's biggest refresh yet! ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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