judgment based on the facts about the use of force. >> the shooting itself, it was unjustified both administratively and criminally. so since there were, there was a criminal component to this, that's why we investigated it as a criminal offense. >> straightforward explanation of what happened. was it a good or bad shot, that has to do with whether you should be a police officer or was it a crime that has to do with whether you should go to jail. the officer faces two charges of aggravated assault and up to 20 years in prison. i wanted to get that story on the record for you and remind you tomorrow is a big day on msnbc with the final january 6 hearing. coverage begins at noon. 6:00 p.m. eastern i'll be with you on the beat and by evening, rachel maddow will lead our recap special as we make sense of what we're told is the final hearing. the readout starts now. now

tonight on the reidout -- >> i was in the vicinity of a conversation where i heard the president say something to the effect of you know, i think they have weapons. they're not here to hurt he. take the f-ing mags away. let my people in. they can march the capitol from here. >> remember that? tomorrow at the much anticipated likely final hearing, we are expecting to hear evidence that trump knew things could turn violent that day. also tonight with just four weeks to go until the midterms, stacy abrams is here on her very close race and her thoughts on the georgia senate race that could once again determine which party is in control. new report frg "the washington post" is shedding light on a lingering question

surrounding the fbi east investigation into donald trump's hoarding of classified documents at mar-a-lago. who in trump's orbit has been cooperating with the doj? people familiar tell the post it was a trump employee at his florida golf resort who informed agents about moving boxes at trump's specific direction. the post writes the people familiar with the investigation said agents had gathered witness accounts indicating that after trump advisers received a subpoena in may for any classified documents that remained at mar-a-lago, trump told people to move boxes to his residence at the property. that description of events was corroborated by the security camera footage which showed people moving the boxes. said the people who spoke on the condition of an them ty. the post added this employee has been interviewed multiple times and first denied handling boxes

that could contain the classified documents. but after federal investigators gathered more evidence, this employee changed their story. the employee is now considered a key part of the investigation. nbc news has not been able to independently confirmed the post's reporting, but if true, it would as the post indicates, offer the most direct account to date of trump's actions and instructions leading up to the fbi's august 8th search. joining me now is charles coleman, civil rights attorney, former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst and olivia troy. thank you both for being here. charles, i want to start with you. another little piece of this reporting, more of the post reporting. the fbi uncovered evidence that the response to the grand jury subpoena was incomplete that trump gave in. and that additional classified documents likely remained at mar-a-lago and has been taken to obstruct the investigation. looked like some of the additional evidence uncovered

were photos, like security camera photos, showing them moving the specific documents. so if this employee, whoever they are, at first said they didn't do it and then additional information was uncovered including security camera footage showing it happening, could this employee be cooperating in lieu of potentially being in some legal trouble? >> joy, i think that's a pretty accurate assertion in terms of what may be driving this particular employee. i think for those watching it's important to understand the most significant aspect of what we are learning is the timing of this. because this is after the subpoena has already been issued. so it is a clear obstruction to an investigation which you have now been given information was taking place and you have now tied a knot or tied a line directly to donald trump in terms of his instructions around moving these documents. so that timeline is critical in

assessing the fact that this likely is the clearest line to an obstruction of justice charge that we've seen thus far. >> and stay with this just a moment. trump's lawyers have gone all the way to the supreme court asking the supreme court, clarence thomas, that he can make a decision or send it to the full court, to essentially force these documents back into the hands of the special master. they're sort of playing all these waiting games, but in the end, does any of that matter? if trump himself is directing people to take classified material and government-owned material period and move it after he gets another request, give it back, and he's the one directing it and there's surveillance footage and there's a witness, what games are we playing here going to the supreme court? sounds like he committed the crimes that were issue nd the original order. >> i don't want to call this a game changer, but this opens up a different line of conversation

that really does nullify whatever is going on over there. i think what you're talking about with respect to the actual documents in the special master's review could intensify the overall picture, but just taking on this alone like you said, looking a the timeline, looking at this connection and the evidence that has now been sort of uncovered with this "washington post" story, that in and of itself is enough to deal with obstruction of justice even if the other stuff does not pan out. even if for some reason somehow the special master were to find no problem, the fact is there was an investigation going. you have a subpoena and you've directed people to move documents as a means of subverting that subpoena and trying to interfere with that investigation. so that is enough. >> that is the piece that's just come out. i have a printout. i'm going to read more of it for those who can't read it. multiple witnesses had told the fbi that they tried to talk trump into cooperating with the national archives and records administration. that's nara.

and the justice department as those agencies for months sought the return of sensitive or historical government records. people familiar with the situation said the former president was adamant in private conversations that he would resist those efforts, continue to say he owned those documents, that they were his. olivia troy, you worked in this administration. you dealt with donald trump. can you make any sort of sense of why this person seemed to be so determined to keep classified information including information about another country's nuclear material? >> it was probably honestly, probably a key, i guess, a get out of jail free card. although i think is going to put him in jail. i don't know what kind of secret he was keeping. i don't know if this was leverage. i don't know if he was sharing these with foreign adversaries. there's no reason for him to have those documents. they don't belong to him.

i don't know if he's doing show and tell during dinners down there, but i'm certainly glad this trump employee is cooperating and i worry for that person. because i can only imagine honestly the fear going through them on why they originally didn't cooperate and now they're being told they have to tell the truth. i would just tell everybody involved in this whole mess they need to be telling the truth because when it comes to it, they know what the truth is and he is not going to defend you or protect you. you will get thrown under the bus. >> yeah. and i have to come back to you for a moment, charles, because you have somebody in christina bobb, who's one of trump's attorneys, who signed an a testation and she's handed these documents by other people and they didn't want to sign it. should have been a clear sign, right? that if the people, the lawyers who were signing sign this paper aren't signing it themselves, is she in any trouble here or could they be?

>> well, i think she may be in the most trouble because it's a question of whether you knew or should have known. i think that it's reasonable to assume under the circumstances that if you are going to other attorneys and they are not willing to make the same a testation around the completion of this surrender of these documents, that should tell you something in that you had a responsibility to conduct due diligence as to whether these items had actually been turned over or whether there were still things that were lingering, which we know they were. she's put herself in a very precarous position under the professional standard of what it is to be an attorney, of what it is to swear on something of this nature. so i don't know necessarily think it is an exposure issue for the other lawyers, but for her, she's in her own bit of hot water. >> indeed. charles, thank you very much. olivia is sticking with me. up next, tomorrow is expected to be final hearing of the january

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nbc news has obtained audio of a private meeting last summer between kevin mccarthy, michael fanone and harry dunn and the mother of officer brian who died the day after january 6th. y 6th. that's strange. because during that phone call, trump reportedly told mccarthy quote, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. according to an exert from a new book, mccarthy yelled back, more upset? they're trying to f-ing kill me. when the committee reconvenes for what is expected to be the final hearing tomorrow, we will hear much more about the former

president's indifference to the violence. according to the "washington post," the hearing will focus on newly obtained secret service recording showing trump was briefed about the growing threat of violence that day and decided to stoke the flames anyway. according to the post, the committee plans the share new video footage and internal secret service e-mails that corroborate the most startling accounts of that day. that includes damning testimony from cassidy hutchison that he didn't care they had weapons and became irate when he was told he couldn't go to the capitol. the secret service has turned over more than 1 million pieces of electronic communication sent before or on january 6th. the hearing will also shed light on the alleged ties between those in trump's orbit and the extremist groups in the mob that day. today, we learned more about their intentions in the trial of

the oath keepers including the former leader, stewart rhodes. today, one member testified to seeing a massive stockpile of firearms stajed in a virginia hotel room the night before the insurrection. he testified i had not seen that many weapons in one location since i was in the military. the committee will remind the public that trump was the central force. a point enforced by michael fanone. >> donald trump sat for 187 minutes and didn't do [ bleep ] while hundreds of police officers were fighting for their lives on the capitol steps and we now know that he was watching intently throughout that entire period. the select committee i think has done outstanding job investigating the root causes of january 6th. to me, it was very clear at the end that you know, donald trump

engaged in defrauding the american people. lying to them about you know, the election. 2020 election and having not been a free and fair election. and i think he needs to be held accountable. >> joining me now is denver riggleman, former republican congressman from virginia, former adviser to the committee and author of the breach, the untold story of the investigation into january 6th. back with me is olivia troy, former homeland security and adviser to mike pence. denver, what do you expect? what do you think just based on having advised the committee before. what do you think we're going to hear that's new in these hearings tomorrow? >> well, you know, thanks for having me, joy. when you give a military or intelligence briefing, you tell what you're going to tell them then you tell them what you told them. we're going to get the tell them what you told them with some new

data. i think a lot of a that's going to be the secret service text. looking at those lines of communication which they have the technical prowess to look at that. but i think they're going to memorize everything you were talking about like cassidy hutchison and the most important part of her testimony was the president saying he wanted to remove the mags. people are going to remember that. they're going to take it from the officers who testified in july and talk about their evidence that president trump was aware was going on, but also those individuals underneath of him there were very aware, help ng the planning and fund raising and the grift and conspiracy theories and all that happened on january 6th for stop the steal. lastly, we go into a lot of this. olivia knows this. i think they're going to talk about vice president pence. the fact that he was in danger and the alternate electors. >> olivia, i want to ask you about mike pence. i wonder how you read this when

you, if donald trump knew that there could be violence that day, if you had proud boys and oath keepers and three percenters and piles of guns that looked like a military attack near the capitol and that there was plans for violence and trump says remove the mags, they're not here to hurt me and that he knew these people were here to essentially lynch your former boss. to lynch the vice president of the united states, to punish him for not throwing the election. i don't know any other way to put it. i wonder when you read that when you think about all the things that happened to pence that day. >> absolutely abhorrent. i'll never get over the fact that the sitting president of the united states new his own vice president's life was in danger and didn't care. he didn't care about any of these people. didn't care about those law enforcement officers out there. and he also once it was in progress was told repeatedly

about it and he did nothing. he did nothing to stop it. and the reason this matters is because donald trump is still out there. he's still out there emboldening the stolen election deniers. there's a bunch of election deniers today. all of this runs deep. the extent is so expansive across the board here this this isn't going away anytime soon. people need to remember if he or someone like him comes back into office, remember these moments. remember the fact that he almost had his own vice president killed because that is what we are looking at going forward. >> are you disappointing, olivia, that former vice president pence has not testified to this committee? >> i'm grateful his staff has and they've given the information. i wish that mike pence would say more and would be more forward leaning on this. because i think that his voice still matters. especially in republican circles and i think he could make a difference. i think we are in a moment where anyone who can make a difference, especially when it

comes to people the republican leadership should be doing that right now. >> and denver, i have to ask you as a former member of congress yourself, the idea that members of congress were hiding terrified from a mob that would have killed them. we just showed footage of them trying to breach the door to the speaker's lounge. you see these police officers have to train their firearms a t the door in case anyone came through. knowing ginni thomas, who still told the committee she believes the election was stolen, that roger stone, who's worked to elect republicans all up and down that ballot. senators, congress people. he's been involved in politics since the nixon era. that people who are well-known to you i'm sure and to people who you worked with when you were a congressman. all either conspired or were willing to allow people to die. allow members to die. for what? because they lost an election. i wonder how you react just as a

human being. >> it's tough because you know i know a lot of those individuals. you're look at jason crow popping up and some of those people i know very well. that's why it's so stunning. when i saw the meadows text messages, you had dozens of current and former members that were pushing this nonsense. you had cabinet officials. you had republican officials from multiple states. you had people like ginni thomas. you had activists. even individuals that were conducting those bizarre cyber investigations right and doing the briefings about interference of the election all going to the text messages and still you had 139 of those in the house of representatives. as a former member of congress, i've been known to defend the constitution, i find it abhorrent we're still going down this rabbit hole. it's getting worse. it's in the data. this is now what's believed. this is a fantasy. i said before a lot of these

individuals thought lord of the rings was a documentary. that's a real issue. if you have those people actually in the house or in the senate or in the executive making policy. we don't want the lunatics running the asylum. that's the shocking thing. not just the criminal stuff. you really want that kind of crazy permeating every level of the gop. i think that's why it's so important to have these hearings. >> absolutely. let me play one more clip from michael fanone from last night. >> what did shock me was the level of indifference that i experienced from people like kevin mccarthy and many of the other republican leaders and not only to me who was there you know trying to represent the other officers that responded to the capitol that day. that fought to defend democracy and the live of the individuals that were in the building. but also the indifference that he showed towards brian

sicknick's mother, gladys. this is the mother of a fallen police officer, a dead police officer, and many of these people you know took an adversarial position with this woman who was you know, looking for answers. >> denver riggleman, can you imagine what it would mean for kevin mccarthy to be the speaker of the house? we know he would much likely dismantle the january 6th committee. and probably launch a rival investigation to try to attack people. people like the person you just saw there. people who defended the capitol that day. maybe democratic leaders and others who were on this committee. >> yeah. i've wondered if there's going to be a committee to investigate the committee. i'm happy to participate on the other side. we know what the data says. when you look at mike fanone, who i've talked to, and gladys and sandra and harry, it makes

you sick to your stomach there's any indifference to what capitol police go to. my god. i was in the military. i got a love for law enforcement personnel. they took an oath and what they're protecting. here's what gets me, joy. there was so many people in the white house involved with this. we know there were phone calls in and out with rally planners. we know there were texts going from andrew giuliani to kelly sorrell. we know there's people like bianca grassia and contacts with roger stone but also with stewart rhodes. so there's so many people in the white house that were aware of what was going on. we know because of records and data, but we know the human element of this and it's that we had a president if you look at the call logs, wasn't just 187 minutes. it was seven hours and 37 minutes. that's really the issue. how long that individual did not do a damn thing to help those

individuals on the ground who were being attacked by a mob believing that italian satellites were changing votes or italian dictators were changing votes or chinese servers were rerouting votes. i think at some point, we've just got to tell the truth that we don't want crazy making policy in this country anymore. >> and sadly, it is now the basis for the majority of the people who are running on the republican tickets. all over this country. it's frightening. we appreciate both of you for being here to talk about it tonight. former congressman denver riggleman and olivia troy. thank you very much. up next, we're going to talk about georgia politics and the critical inference of this speaking of midterm election. this midterm election with stacy abrams. the democratic nominee for governor. the reidout continues after this. the reidout continues after this mom couldn't decide. but thanks to the right plan promise from unitedhealthcare she got a medicare plan expert to help guide her with the right care team behind her.

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little story about this bull out in the field with six cows. and three of them are pregnant. so you know you got something going on. all he cared about is kept his nose against the fence looking at three other cows that didn't belong to him so one day, he measured that fence up and he said i think i can jump this. so that day came where he got back and he got back and as he took off running, he dove over that fence and his belly got cut

under the bottom, but as he made it on to other side, he shook it off and got so excited about it and he ran to the top of the hill and when he got up there, he realized they were bulls, too. >> still here? that right there. was mr. herschel walker. whose campaign is a smoking hot mess. sharing a story about a bull who knocks up three cows. why? it's not clear. but it sure looks like florida senator rick scott is in charge of republican senate re-election or election strategy was sure wondering the same thing. brian kemp was running the governor and sharing the republican ticket is praying herschel keeps his bull story and his other stories a safe distance away but just because walker is a bull in a china shop, see what i did there? it doesn't mean that kemp isn't equally dangerous. during his time as the governor of georgia, kemp has implemented

extremist policies and laws like signing legislation that restricts access to voting and a ban on abortion after six weeks yet he has gotten what could be called a herschel pass. a recent analysis has found that sb 202, the voting law, has effectively cut access to voting. this year, 4% of voters cast absentee ballots compared to 26% in the 2020 general election and 49% in that year's primary when absentee ballot applications were sent to all active voters. joining me now is stacey abrams. i feel like herschel has obliterated the law. there are now 7.8 million registered voters in georgia. data shows that 95% of the state's eligible voters are signed up. that is huge success to which

you owe the credit. you've been this for a long time. 68% of eligible voters in georgia turned o ut in the 2020 election. a country where we can barely get 60%, that's a miracle. i wonder if you believe that this law is going to undo that miracle and reduce the turnout of georgia voters this year? >> we know that this law is having a dell tearrius effect on voter turnout. but let's understand that while election denial has been on denying the outcome, the trump and lake methodology, we also have to recognize that election denial is denying access and that is brian kemp's specialty. you don't have to manipulate the outcome if you can break down and stop people from even showing up. and that access piece is what so many republicans are getting

away with because we've been so drawn to the denial ism of outcome and because of that, laws like sb 202 are having a very pernicious effect on voting rights but they're getting less attention because it's not the cap nip that is what we've been talking about for the last year, but here's what we know is happening. because of that law, 64,000 voters have had their eligibility challenged including by white supremacist groups. we know those challenges especially in cobb county where disproportionately targeted voters of color. we know senior citizens and disabled people are having a harder time filling out these more complicated applications for absentee ballots because brian kemp said he was frustrated by the results in 2020 so he changed the law. he has made it more difficult for voters to participate to access the right to vote, but because it's not as grotesque as it may have been in years past,

he is getting a pass and unfortunately for voters, we have to do the makeup work to get them to the polls. that's why we're encouraging voters to start early starting october 17th so we can get them through and get them home with their votes cast and counted. >> this is what confuses me about the narrative. in my circles of people who are paying attention to georgia, there is in narrative about kemp that because he didn't go along with donald trump's scheme the steal the election that he comes across, oh, he's more moderate. he's not like as out there as some of these other candidates that are running for office. and there is this narrative that he will get a pass from black male voters. that you somehow will not get. i want to play something that's been going around a lot. i'm sure you've seen it, too. this is killer mike and this is what he had to say about brian kemp. >> the guy she's running against is running an effective campaign. >> brian kemp. >> i would advise if i was in

the camp, you need to go everywhere he just went. >> you need to go everywhere kemp went because he had an effective week with black people. >> i am confused as to how somebody who is working to suppress the votes of black people which includes black men could have an effective week with black people. is there a black male brian kemp sort of fan base and if so, is it divorced from the voter suppression piece? i'm confused. >> 10% of black voters are conservative and let's be clear that the two events that are being referenced here, one was a curated event led by a self-professed conservative and the other was an event i was at before he was. but let's put that aside. let's also talk about the fact that today i was with black and brown business owners, small business owners that invited us to come and talk about plans for the state of georgia. i showed up where they are. he went to brooks county where

ten years ago, he arrested ten women on christmas eve and charged them with 120 felonies because they had the tamaraty to wait for it. use absentee ballots to get representation on the school board for a majority black school district for the first time getting more african americans on the school board. he held a fund-raiser at a restaurant known for its cast of segregated restaurant where many black diners still won't attend instead of sitting down with black and brown business owners to talk about how he's going to help close a 100-year economic gap in the state of georgia. brian kemp has been clear about who he is and showing up twice in october before an election will not negate his eight years of voter suppression, four year of disregard for black and brown communities and his long history of denying access to the right to vote. and so while with all due respect to those who would say that two moments of showing up

count, i will say that for the last four years, i have shown up in community. when i didn't have the job. i paid off the medical debts of 68,000 georgians when kemp refused to expand medicaid during covid. i put 150 wi-fi devices in communities when he refused to solve the challenge of the lack of access to broadband. i made sure families got access to vaccines when he said black and brown families weren't motivated to take care of it hems. they know who he is and what he's done and despite the attempt to recast his story, it's well written and we're going to write a new story on november 8th. >> let me ask you quickly before we run out of time. there's a narrative there's ticket splitter voter in georgia that finds kemp acceptable, but does not find walker acceptable. let me put up what people say is the most important thing to him.

republicans, they're just inflation voters. independents are somewhere in the middle. they care about inflation and abortion laws, healthcare. democrats really care about abortion. which issue do you think is the driving issue for the majority of georgia voters as they go into the poll? and for the voters you're targeting? >> georgians don't have the luxury of picking one issue. they have to look at totality of what's before them and they know that healthcare costs are too high because kemp won't expand medicaid. they know they don't have the freedom to control their own bodies although he believes that freedom belongs only to herschel walker and therefore abortion is top of mind because it's also an economic issue. they are concerned about the skyrocketing price of housing. when a governor is willing to make thousands of, hundreds of thousands of dollars on real estate, but deny access to $400 million that's available to stop evictions and he won't spend it.

what we should look at is the fact that 60% of the absentee ballots returned so far are from women and 37% are from african american voters in georgia. that is an extraordinary number that signals that what people are paying attention to is what the future looks like and we believe the future looks blue. >> stacey abrams, thank you very much. we appreciate you joining us this evening. thanks. as this "new york times" columnist puts it, there is a sleeping giant that may be the deciding factor in the midterm elections. we'll be right back. election s. we'll be right back. blood press, a cold is not just a cold. coricidin is the #1 doctor recommended cold and flu brand. specially designed for people with high blood pressure. be there for life's best moments. with unitedhealthcare my sister has a whole team to help her get the most out of her medicare plan. ♪wow, uh-huh♪ advantage: me! can't wait 'til i turn 65! take advantage with an aarp medicare advantage plan...

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joining me now, political analyst around ceo of target smart, president and ceo, thank you for being here. let's get into this real quick. let's talk georgia for a second. i went through these polls, tom, and i feel like the polls don't necessarily tell you. i don't think they tell you what's going to happen. but they do tell you kind of what people are kind of paying attention to and i did ask stacey abrams whether it's an inflation election or an abortion election but you have a thought on that. that you think abortion, abortion is such a huge issue. >> so the polls are asking people what they think most important issue. i think that's interesting. we're looking at the actions people are taking in the end. that's the most compelling thing. for a while, it was registering to vote. and we were seeing this huge vendor gap among voters

registering in georgia. really around the country. now it's voting. over a million votes have been cast in the election. people are voting in georgia. stacey abrams said, we look at those ballot requests. huge gender gap. 60% of the people requesting ballots are women. it's a bigger gender gap than they've had in previous elections including in 2020 when democrats obviously did well statewide. so those actions are suggesting that yes, this issue is still very much motivating. >> is that true across the country or in some states more than others? >> frankly where the issue is more present including in some very red states. we've talked about kansas where you had 40-point gender gap. women turned out in record breaking rates, but it's also happening in places like idaho. michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, ohio. and out west. places like nevada and arizona. >> diminished from summer. >> the funny thing is, it had a

huge surge after dobbs. came back a little bit but still well above where it was before. a big gender gap. then after lindsey graham said what he said, the numbers started going up again. >> so there is this sort of sectioning off of the latino vote as the vote that, and people say this a lot. but this year, they're saying this is the vote that's going to go for the republicans this year and sort of carving abortion out of that conversation and saying latino voters are economic voters, inflation voters, they're going for republicans. are you seeing that on the ground? >> no. i'm seeing a rise in texas and arkansas after the leak of the dobbs decision. this is where we have an opportunity to make sure that we're talking to people about things they care about. we have an ad that shows a lift among independent voters in arizona and nevada. and it's the leading ad among men. the ad is abortion.

it's an issue that is something that is private. when people say that you're going to see a surge of the latino vote, which latinos are going to vote. oftentimes we hear this idea is that the vote is a monolith. but among generations. i will share with you in 2020, we had a 34% of voters were first time voters in the latino community. in nevada, in 2014, we saw a decline of participation by latinos. in 2012 to 11%. in 2016 young latino voters. an uptick -- there was an investment in young latinos. we saw that uptick go to 39%. >> i want to start with you if i can. there is this narrative because she is a woman she is latina. one of the very few in national

politics. she is a woman, so it feels like in this is a state where there is a very solid democratic party. why is the narrative that laxalt is on his way to sharing that c? >> because i can share you from an organization that is the largest organization in the latino community, we went we registered 16 and 50,000 people, there is a lack of interest in investment and young latinos. what they are doing is reading the headlines. you know who's investing on the conservative side of the young latinos, the republicans are. we know that 15% of latino voters have not received any contact from any political party. i know they are especially young because they don't have a history of voting. these campaigns, what they usually do easily target individuals who have a record of voting released five times. the people we talk to our 18 to 29 years old, at best they have a voting record of two times.

so no one talks to them and they are doing a self fulfilling prophecy. get this. arizona alone, has 56,000 new voters since two years ago. biden won that state by 12,000 votes. this lack of consistent investment and talking to the community in a way that is authentic. to think they care about abortion? you better believe it. because when they talk about inflation they know that abortion is an economic issue. 68% of latinos and keep battleground states, in georgia, and arizona and nevada on polls that we have done, they believe in abortion care regardless of gender. when you look at just woman, that's skyrocketed to about 80%. >> let's talk about ohio and pennsylvania. you talk about lack of investment, the democratic parties are always afraid to spend in ohio because it's a red state. --

i've never understood this calculus. there is a sense of maybe the democrats being reluctant in ohio, and in pennsylvania you, then have them trying to question the healthiness of the democratic candidate but he's ahead. and they are still nervous. i don't understand. pennsylvania and why, how do you look at those states? >> as you said, the polls in both those states actually look close. the democrats, fetterman is up, that race is getting a little bit closer. i think republicans are seeing those polls trying to change the narrative. both of those seats are winnable for democrats. when you look at the numbers i was looking at talking about, engagement. those are two of the states that have the biggest gender gap caps after dodge. the potential for younger voters in those states to participate. prior to dobbs younger voters were not engaging in this election. they were engaged at all. they were given president biden low approval rating, they weren't for a connected. totally changed afterwards. >> you know how you get younger

voters engaged? threatened by ownership by the state, and young women understand. people understand. thank you can have a guys packed thanks very much. next on the readout, a stunning and just verdict against alex jones who's finally facing the consequences for the years of vitriol and hate and lies and least in the founders of sandy hook victims. we'll be right back. l be right back. we've designed vehicles that bring a sense of quiet and calm to their drivers... looking ahead, things are about to get decidedly hushed. here's to year hundred and one. ♪♪

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accused the victims families are being actors to place it in the plot. this is the second jury to order jones to play damages. in august, a texas jury awarded nearly 150 million to the parents of another child killed in this shooting. before deliberating this jury heard from families about the kind of threats in harassment they have received as a result of those threats from jones. >> it is one thing to lose a child. it is quite another thing when people take everything about your boy who is gone and your surviving child and your husband and everything that you did in your life that is on the internet and harassed. you >> she's home by herself, she's really, really stressed. she said, i feel better when i'm at a friends house because nobody knows who i am but when i am home, i feel like i am a target. >> it's just so hard to go see a seven year old child headstone and hear the people

were desecrating and urinating on it and threatening to dig it up. i don't know how to articulate how it feels. >> wow. after the verdict was read, jones reacted live on his infowars show. >> 20 million, 50 million, 80 million, hundred million. you get 1 million, you get 100 million. you get 50 million. ain't gonna be happening. ain't no money! >> what a horses asked. charles lawyer says he'll appeal the jury's decision. all in with chris hayes starts now. ith chris hayes starts now. tonight on all in. >> there's a lot going on cars, but i don't know, things might get real, real bad on january 6th. >> the january six committee teases new revelations ahead of tomorrow's hearing for weeks for the next election, what these hearings have meant for american democracy with rachel maddow.