that's the goal and that's where the energy comes from, to keep walking through the jungle with blisters and broken bones. it's like -- that's hell. crossing the darien gap is crossing hell. the people aren't prepared. they don't know what they have to face to cross there. they are encouraged by other people doing it. so most of them told us they thought if someone else did it, they could do it. but at the same time, at the end when we asked if they would do it again, most of them said no. i wouldn't recommend it to anybody. >> federico rios, extraordinary work, julia turkewitz thank you so much for being with us. it's an important story that you have covered with such passion and compassion. thank you.

that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. i'll see you tomorrow night. thank you for the privilege of your time. yasmin vossoughian picks up with more news right now. good morning. what a friday it is. i'm live for you here at msnbc headquarters in new york city. a defiant response from the former president this morning after the january 6th committee voted unanimously to subpoena him in their final investigative hearing accusing the panel of wasting money. ahead, where this all goes next. and then reaction to the jarring new evidence presented, including this never-before-seen footage from inside the capitol on january 6th showing top congressional leaders scrambling to get help and regain control. it was, in fact, shot by house

speaker nancy pelosi's daughter. >> now apparently everybody on the floor is putting on tear gas masks to prepare for a breach. i'm trying to get more information -- >> they're putting on their tear gas masks. >> can you believe this? can you believe this? >> i can't. >> plus the second in the one-two legal punch for the former president. why his legal options in the mar-a-lago investigation get a little bit slimmer after a resounding no from the supreme court all happening yesterday. this morning, shock and anger in the state of florida after a jury recommended the parkland school shooter should get life in prison instead of the death penalty. i'm going to be joined by parents of one of the victims, the mother asking the question, quote, if this was not the most perfect death penalty case, than why do we have the death penalty at all? we begin this hour with the multiple investigations

surrounding the former president starting us off this morning, ali vitali, "washington post" investigations reporter and an msnbc contributor, and peter baker and msnbc political analyst, and harry litman. harry, let me start things off with you if we could. we got this letter in from the former president responding, in fact, to the subpoena from the january 6th committee, same playbook, saying that the election was stolen, saying it was a witch-hunt, accusing the committee not working into certain things that we felt as if were outstanding from the 2020 election. what do you make of the response from the former president and how do you see this going next considering what we've heard from him so far? >> same playbook, longer playbook. it's quite a screen and takes a while to get through. it's like someone standing up on

a bus and starting to scream randomly, except the one thing he doesn't scream is the one thing everyone wants to hear, will he or will he not testify. i think this is just part and parcel of a strategy of giving excuses or making un -- making conditions that the committee would never meet and in other words, not testifying. what happens from there? everyone is assuming a big battle in court. my best guess is that congress is about to run out, they want to keep, you know, things focused on their report, and they will just let it lie. they've made their point, it will be an exclamation point at the end of the report. they won't go to battle in court, just my best guess, and they'll be able to say in their report, we asked him to testify, instead he supplied this screed of charges we've heard again and again but are completely false.

>> ali vitali, his best guess is often right. that being said, i know you got the insider info on what this j-6 committee plans to do. what are their plans going forward with the subpoena? >> reporter: they're going to send the subpoena sometime early next week, is the latest that i'm told. their level of optimism in voting to subpoena the former president was never going to be high. this is a question that we've been asking here on the hill all summer, if this was something they would be willing to do and open conversation among committee members over the course of the last few months. they were aware, even as they were talking about whether or not to do this, that subpoenaing trump was not likely to yield an interview with the former president. certainly not one that goes down without a fight. and at this point, just with the amount of weeks left in the calendar year, the fact that it expires at the end of the year, and who controls congress

determines what happens next. all of those were things that were in the consideration when they did ultimately make the move to subpoena trump. nevertheless, what my sources said to me yesterday is, this was about getting it on the record which is exactly what raskins said this morning. listen. >> we intend to get this information from the former president and then also to pursue questions the way we have with more than 1,000 other witnesses and, of course, we have the authority to issue subpoenas and we would expect that the former president would come the way the vast majority of people have come. >> they can expect that because that is what you're supposed to do when you are subpoenaed by congress. but they have seen multiple other people ignore those subpoenas, including five republican lawmakers who serve alongside the lawmakers that make up this january 6th committee. there is an open question, though trump did not answer it,

about what he would ultimately do here. i would put the punctuation that this is the final investigative hearing but now the committee is turning its work to doing that final report. chairman thompson intimated yesterday that there could be some release of information, whether you call it an interim report or something like that, sometime before election day, that remains to be seen. but the attention squarely focuses on the final report that's going to be done at some point in december, and we expect to see the committee publicly release those findings too. so while it's the last hearing that will look like this one, it's not necessarily the last hearing of the january 6th committee. >> so it seems like the overarching theme here is let's get this thing on the record, whether or not we're going to force it, we're not expecting the former president to oblige, whether or not we're going to enforce it is the question here. if we were speaking more broadly, right, what tools does the committee -- or the house, really, have at its disposal if

in fact they plan to move forward in enforcing this subpoena? >> that is the question that we were already all asking some of the lawmakers on the panel yesterday as soon as the hearing was over, if the president decides not to comply, will this come to the floor for a vote from the house and ultimately be sent to the department of justice? we've seen the committee do this with high-profile figures but not with someone as high profile as a former president. this is at least to some of the research we did yesterday, unprecedented. there have been former presidents who have testified before congress, but that's been under -- that's been voluntarily. this is an entirely different case. we did see the department of justice rule in the committee's favor when it came to holding in contempt people like steve bannon, peter navarro. when it came to mark meadows, he is someone who the house voted to hold in contempt. it was referred to the

department of justice and after months of agonizing over the decision, they ultimately decided not to prosecute mark meadows. so i -- you know, i haven't made all of the rounds with legal experts just yet. i defer to harry on this. but it would probably be far-fetched to think that this department of justice, which has been extremely risk-averse, very cautious and wrapped up in a number of other investigations, including the mar-a-lago boxes case, which we've been told they're much farther along on than the january 6th investigation, that it would be unlikely that they would hold a former president in contempt. but never say never. this has been an investigation over the past year and a half that has been full of surprises. >> harry, we heard your guess earlier, but just expand on what jackie just said there. >> briefly, that would be the route for holtding him in criminal contempt. first they hold him in contempt and then go to the courts to

enforce the subpoena. they have to hold him in contempt first. that itself is a weighty constitutional question. i don't think it's very likely. second, it's possible that trump himself files a preemptive suit saying they cannot do this to me because he wants the fight. i think that's somewhat more likely. but still probably not going to happen. those would be the two routes to set up the actual question -- illegal question of, is this a valid subpoena. >> so peter baker, a lot of folks asking and kind of scratching their heads and thinking, if this subpoena is not in force, what is the accountability here for the former president after all of these investigations have played out? i want to read for you -- and we paraphrase this a bit because it's long. section three of the 14th amendment saying this no person shall hold any office civil or military under the united states or under any state who shall have engaged in insurrection or

rebellion against the same or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. so you have to be deemed an insurrectionist, according to section three of the 14th amendment in order to not be able to hold any sort of office. that is if this former president decides to run for re-election in 2024. is this something that could apply to donald trump going forward, or you think the committee plans to move forward with? >> it's an interesting question. it's obviously a november one in our history. that was obviously approved after the civil war. it was meant for the confederate figures who were being barred from office and has not been used since then except now in the last few months, i think, for one local office out in new mexico, if i remember correctly, where a january 6th rioter was held to be disqualified as a result of this amendment. never been applied to anybody running for president before.

it did come up immediately after january 6th. some members suggested trying to find a way to cite this clause of the constitution to effectively bar president trump. but we don't know how it would be, you know, enforced. there's not -- nothing in the amendment explains who decides whether you are barred under this -- under this term, is it a court, does congress have to pass a resolution, is it automatic because it's part of the law? who would enforce it and how would that be enforced. that's an unknown question. whether anybody would go to the extent of saying it applies in this particular case with this particular possible candidate for president, big, big if and in some ways an esoteric question because it doesn't seem likely as a practical matter that it would go ahead. >> and there's the question of doj and merrick garland and how much pressure they have on them. nancy pelosi obviously reacting to what was happening outside of the capitol on january 6th and this footage obtained by cnn, i

believe, showing the former president saying, in fact, he will be marching on the capitol. let's take a listen to that and then we'll talk. >> they have dissuaded him from coming to capitol hill. they told him they don't have the resources to protect him here. at the moment, he's not coming, but that could change. >> if he comes, i'm going to punch him out. we're waiting for this, for trespassing on the capitol grounds. i want to punch him out and i'm going to go to jail and i'm going to be happy. >> how much pressure does this put on both merrick garland and the department of justice? >> it ups the ante for sure because the evidence is vivid and strong. but that's part of it, but there was strong evidence, much of yesterday was greatest hits, but there was new evidence of his knowledge, secret service having reports that the violence was

going to happen, new evidence of his just sitting by and doing nothing while everyone was trying to get him. i think it builds the case -- of course, this case, much more complicated and one issue is if they bring a case in the mar-a-lago matter, will that just -- in practical effect, kind of set this to the side. very quickly on the section 3 point. it has been enforced before in world war i days and the question will be, do you need a congressional resolution, which happened there, or if he's actually held to be an insurrectionist, would a court be able to do it? most likely it would be congress. as peter says, it's very much unsettled question, but there is some precedent there. >> guys, you're the best. thanks for starting me off. thank you, all. coming up, everybody, we are just hours away from one of the most high-stakes debates of the

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welcome back. we are following breaking news out of north carolina this morning where raleigh police released new details on the shooting that left five people dead. officials saying the suspect, a 15-year-old white male, who was in custody and in the hospital, opened fire along a two-mile stretch of greenway. the five victims who ranged in age from 16 to 52, including a raleigh police officer. the mayor delivering this plea about gun violence. >> we have to end this mindless gun violence that is happening in our country. we have work to do, but there are too many victims and we have to wake up. >> the police chief sayings they are still investigating the motive and how the teenage

suspect obtained the weapon used in the attack. today the families of the victims of the parkland school shooting are expressing everything from anger to shock after a jury spared the life of shooter nikolas cruz. >> this monster killed 17 people, like how can that -- how can he live another day? >> i hope he has the fear in him every second of his life. >> if not now the death penalty, then when? when? >> a range of emotions understandably played out in the courtroom as the jury made its recommendation. 17 students and teachers were killed in that horrific attack. joining me now is linda schulman, the mother of scott, a geography teacher and coach who was killed. thank you so much for joining us. i know every time you have to talk about it, it's incredibly hard. we appreciate it. how are you doing today? >> thank you for having me. thank you for having me.

>> of course. how are you? >> you know, yesterday was more than shocking and more than disappointing, that's for sure. and today it's just -- it's setting in, the anger and the -- it's really disbelief. i mean, i woke up this morning not believing that this murder got life in prison. i mean, you know, he murdered 17 innocent people and he has no remorse, i sat through this trial starting july 18th. i sat through the trial. if i wasn't in florida sitting in the gallery, i was home with it in the corner of my screen. he has no remorse. he's an animal and the jurors found him -- they give him mercy. how do you give mercy to somebody who does something like that? and what does that tell people? does that tell people that,

okay, fine, if we -- if we decide that maybe there's a mental illness that we just let it go, we give them life in prison without parole? why do we have a death penalty? why does florida have a death penalty? if this was not the most perfect death penalty case, then they'll never be one. >> what was it like to sit in the gallery with your son's murder? >> it was like sitting and going through the worst day of my life, february 14th, 2018. the worst day of my life. and sitting there through the trial just compounded the horror. it just made it -- even if it could ever get worse, it did it sitting through that trial. >> how often do you replay the moment that you found out your son was dead? >> i replay that -- i replay that all the time. but i will tell you, sitting through the trial and listening

to the medical examiner explain for each and every victim and then i'll talk for myself, having that medical examor explain how each bullet went through my son's body and which bullet did the most damage, i can never think of my son's murder more exactly how it happened. it's a horror. and i think it's time for the public to actually stop hearing about it, but actually seeing, seeing what it does. seeing what that bullet does when it enters anybody's body, let alone in your loved one's body. i can see that over and over and over. i think about scott and that's what i see. >> can we talk about november 1st for a moment because that is the date in which your son's killer will be sentenced and we know according to florida's law

that was changed back in 2017 it requires a unanimous jury recommendation for the death penalty, meaning the judge cannot change now what the jury has put forth. what does that mean to you? >> i don't think that the judge would have changed anything. if the murderer got the death penalty, i'm sure she wouldn't have changed it. the bottom line is every aggravating factor was checked yes, unanimously by all of the jurors. sorry. every aggravating factor. and there's no way in the world any of those mitigating factors outweighed those aggravating factors. the bottom line is there was -- there was a juror -- there was a juror who decided that no matter what, no matter how horrible this person was, that person

could not bring themselves to say i'm going to be someone who is going to put him to death. >> tell me about -- >> the truth of the matter is, okay, really, the verdict at this point gives credibility to the nra's talking point that the problem is mental illness and not guns. are you serious? if anything came out of this, a good portion of the victims' families, i'll speak for myself, yesterday's verdict did one thing to me that will never stop me, i will go forward, i will be rededicating my life to work even harder than i'm doing right now to end the epidemic of gun violence in our country. i will do everything i can, i will show photos of my son if i have to of his autopsy of what it is to show people what that assault weapon, what that ar-15 does to people. instead of the media saying this

might be disturbing, you might want to look away. no, don't look away. look at what it does to people. look at how it goes into someone's head and goes off like a cherry bomb, quote/unquote, from one of those medical examers and the only thing left in this poor victim was his scalp holding his head together. it's time for people to see what's going on. we cannot let this go anymore! this person who took away 17 lives was given back his life from the jury. that's wrong. that's really wrong. >> linda, i thank you so much. i know it's not easy but i feel the fight in you. >> i'm sorry, but i'm so -- >> no apologies. >> it rips you from your soul. >> you never have to apologize. i'm a mom as well. you do not have to apologize. we thank you so much. you bring tears to my eyes along with many people who are watching right now. and we appreciate your fight and

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a claim that he denies. warnock has a lead in the race. the spread is largely unchanged from the month prior. last night in wisconsin as well, senator ron johnson arguing his case for re-election. the two sparred over inflation, abortion, law enforcement as well. the latest polling giving johnson a six-point lead over barnes. let's bring in katy tur who is in savannah for us and nbc shaq brewster who is in madison, wisconsin. great to see you. one night, katie. all eyes on georgia right about now. and i mention that quinnipiac poll. go ahead. >> reporter: finish. >> okay. so the poll, right, you got 99% of democrats siding with warnock, 90% of republican with

walker. independents, still split. we know they're both going to be vying for that independent vote in this debate tonight. what we're really talking about and wanting to address is, of course, how are they going to talk about the allegations made against herschel walker if in fact they address it at all. >> reporter: this is the most -- i'm sorry, shaq, this is the most interesting state to be in right now. because this state has absolutely everything. you have issues of scandal that are hanging over -- i'm sorry, hanging over the state, you got a lot of talk about serious policy issues and you should see some of that at the very least tonight on this debate stage. you've got issues of voter access with ballot boxes and drop boxes limited in this midterm cycle. the possibility of split ticket voters which we don't see that much anymore. some people voting for governor kemp, some voting for senator warnock. it's also a state that is turning purple and could turn a

little bit more purple today again. and the balance of the senate hangs in play here. so it is fascinating. the debate tonight, scandal will obviously be a part of it. it would not expect raphael warnock to bring it up, though, because he's shied away from being the one to address the scandals of his opponent head on. he hasn't want today get dirty with that. he's answered questions from reporters when they've been asked, i expect to hear it from the moderator and expect walker to try to turn it around on warnock and talk about the child support case that he's currently in where he's raising child support. anybody who has been in that certain thing, you understand when you get a pay raise, that's usually what happens. they're going to say it's a standard practice and the allegations against walker are not standard practice. but there's a desire to hear more about what the issues are and where the candidates stand. and you're going to see walker try to say warnock is just a biden surrogate, that's all he

is, a yes-man to joe biden's agenda and the democrats and georgia doesn't want that. and warnock is going to say, no, listen, i worked with republicans on the infrastructure bill, i helped lower prescription drug prices for seniors. i've delivered for the state. when you're talking about savannah in particular where this debate is, the infrastructure bill delivered money to the port of savannah. that along with all the other ports in this country were severely clogged over the past few years because of the supply chain issues, because of the pandemic, and that money went to helping unclog that port. he's going to say, i helped georgians and he's going to point to this, likely, as an example. it's going to be really interesting. really, really interesting. superhappy to be here for it. >> more interesting, though, than we heard last night in wisconsin, shaq. give katy a run for her money and georgia as well. katy talked up a begin game when it comes to that state.

and we've been talking about georgia, but all eyes were on the senate debate last night in wisconsin. if you could, kind of give us some of the major outtakes there. >> reporter: when you compare it to georgia, georgia is where republicans see a potential pickup opportunity. wisconsin is where democrats think that they can have a potential pickup opportunity in this battle for control of the u.s. senate. and big picture, it was contentious. both candidates were prepared with their snappy one liners. the dynamics have shifted in the last couple of weeks. the latest poll that you mention, that you mentioned in your intro, showed ron johnson with a six-point lead. that's not only erasing the lead that barnes came into the race with, part of the reason for that are the ads you've been seeing. the attacks against barnes on

the issue of crime. listen to how they duked it out on that one issue. >> we need law enforcement and the problem with the defund movement which he's been a big supporter of, they're having a hard time recruiting members and we aren't going to have the law enforcement officers we need to reduce crime. >> no police officers in this country are more dispirited than the ones at the united states capitol on january 6th. this talk is not real, it's not true. >> reporter: now, why is wisconsin better? it's not just the senate race, but there's the tight governor's race, the closest governor's race in the country when you look at the average of polls. that debate is coming up tonight. >> i don't know, guys, i'll call it a draw. all eyes on both states, wisconsin and georgia. good luck to you both. thank you. of course you can watch katy this afternoon 2:00 p.m. eastern

right here on msnbc live from savannah. a bit of unpredictability, everybody, from wall street this morning. the dow has slid back down after a opening pretty strong following the release of a hotter than expected inflation report. the rate came in at 8.2%, higher than economists predicted. driven by record high costs for housing, groceries, health care. i'm sure you know what i'm talking about considering the fact that you're paying for that stuff. joining us now brian cheung. brian, let me start with you. i believe the dow is down about 107 points right about now. it's kind of going up and down. as it does, right, but i think everybody was wondering what happened yesterday, right? we got this inflation report, right, there was a major dive, and then it rebounded and then some. what's going on? >> well, i mean, do you have deutsch bank said calling things

a roller coaster is a cliche. they said it was one of the biggest turnarounds in living memory. it closed up 800 points. all of this is about figuring out when inflation peaked and the report we got yesterday doesn't tell us what's happening here and it's interesting because all of this also has to do with the federal reserve's interest rate hikes. what do they do next? likely more aggressive yesterday. the market action showing the uncertainty over what happens in the next few months. >> what do they do next, right? also, though, is it working what they're already doing? that, i feel like, is coupled with that initial question. i'm wondering to you if you're jerome powell right now, are you saying, we got to increase interest rates even more so because what we've done so far has not worked? or do we have to wait a couple months to see the results of these interest rate hikes?

>> it's such a blunt instrument and you wish that the fed had more tools in its toolbox. going in 75, 75, 75, did we just kill the economy? is that good news? is that bad news? that's the lament here. you don't know exactly what you're rooting for, bad news, good news, unemployment news -- if unemployment goes up, should the market rally? if inflation could fall without the economy falling into a deep recession? this is why we're in sloppy territory right now and it doesn't make sure to read the tea leaves of the market. it's more of a technical capitulation, was it something about options traders and others, it's really kind of the dregs of the business cycle right now. >> it does seem that the more good news, when it comes to kind of unemployment and that kind of thing, the worse it is, right? for where we're headed and for inflation. people are continuing to spend, they have the money to spend. people are working. when you're taking a look at how expensive things are, housing,

groceries, health care, still at record highs, astounding. is there any sign that that's getting better or it will get better in the near future? >> not as of the inflation we got yesterday. when you see food is getting expensive, the catch all in this report for rent and mortgage payments, that increasing by 0.7% on a month over month basis. those types of things could be stickier. when you think about food, it doesn't have that much to do with the interest rate hikes. rents you're locked into a 12-year lease or a 30-year mortgage, that kind of inflation can stick around for longer. that's going to be something that's going to bleed through the next few months of inflation reports which tells us we're not quite at the light at the end of the tunnel yet. a real challenge for the federal reserve and for markets. you don't really know how to read these numbers. >> and just speaks to kind of

the domino effect this has on economic disparity in this country when it comes to inflation. to that point, thinking about major supermarkets, we're hearing about a merger between kroger and albertsons. what does this mean for inflation? >> i think they're capitulating in their own way. this would have been unthinkable just a couple of years ago. but it's hitting these players and they wish they could be more like walmart and amazon and treat food like a loss leader and make a profit on other things. but by proposing to combine here, you're not just talking about albertsons and kroger, you're talking about safeway, fred meyer. there's a lot of fury right now about food prices and i would be curious to see how the biden administration handles this. kroger says we need to be able to compete better to bring our prices down like walmart. others are going to say the economy needs this like a bullet

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midterm election. what did you hear from folks there, from students there? >> reporter: i tell you what, i'm on the campus of clark atlanta university. it's homecoming weekend. everyone is excited. one thing they do better than they throw homecoming, they organize voters. they created this robust voter registration and turnout machine that has pushed black youth turnout to record levels. with that success has come pushback. it comes in the form of law. >> how are you doing? are you registered to vote? >> reporter: this senior is doing one of the things she does best. >> you live on campus? your polling location is moore house. >> reporter: harnessing the power of young black voters, just like herself. she's the co-chair of cau votes, a non-partisan voter

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i think it was just a lack of people understanding where that real power resides. that's just been the constant, constant battle. >> reporter: the voters of georgia will not only decide who wins the governor race rematch between abrams and kemp, but could also determine the future of the u.s. senate as incumbent democrat raphael warnock is challenged by republican herschel walker in a dramatic race. the stakes feel higher than ever. >> a woman's autonomy, voting as we know it our democracy. >> reporter: this election will also be a test of georgia's new voting law, which critics say is an attack on the black vote by limiting things like absentee ballots, mobile voting sites and bars passing out water and snacks. she says this could contribute

to a lack of engagement. >> people feel like their voice doesn't matter. this is why. they feel as though every vote doesn't count because mine keeps getting removed over the decades. >> reporter: supporters of the law have dismissed claims it will limit voting access, pointing to record early turnout in may's primaries. those opposed say primaries with smaller levels of turnout than general elections aren't a fair gauge. the justice department is suing georgia, claiming the law targets black voters. but no matter the obstacles, she believes young black voters can overcome with time and drive on their side. how far off do you think we are to seeing the hbcu student body being a huge, important block that matters to politicians? >> give us 5 to 10 years. >> reporter: with determination and grit, the power is theirs to

take. while the justice department is suing the state of georgia, saying the law targets black people, a federal judge in a different lawsuit has allowed this law to be maintained and upheld. while the federal lawsuit is pending, these students are going to fight, push back. >> we will watch. tremaine lee, thank you. important stuff. hear more in "into america" wherever you get your podcast. that does it for this very busy hour. i will be back here tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. eastern. "andrea mitchell reports" starts next. next ♪ what will you change? ♪ will you make something better? ♪

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