good day. i'm chris jansing in new york city. no answer. former president trump venting his rage at the january 6th committee instead of responding to their subpoena. what we got was a 14-page die tribe released this morning packed with falsehoods, attacking the committee and defending the rioters who trump

calls patriots. plus the secret service called out by the committee to answer for its actions on the 6th. why did they leave congress to fend for itself? >> this cannot be just waiting for so and so. we need them there now, whatever you got. finally, stunned and heart broken explains the emotions for the families of the parkland shooting victims after the gunman gets life in prison instead of the death penalty. one family member saying he has one question for the jury. what were you thinking? we'll talk to the wife of one of those who died confronting the gunman later. we start with donald trump. rehashing debunked claims about election fraud instead of asking the question put to him by the january 6th committee, will you testify or not? i want to bring in a former

federal prosecutor in new york, michael schmidt the washington correspondent for "the new york times" and frank feglusi. in terms of the subpoena and the committee's work, what happens next? >> reporter: next step is for the chairman to formally issue the subpoena, the 9-0 unanimous vote yesterday authorizes him to do that. he would specify what documents, along with testimony, the committee wants from the witness donald j. trump. beyond that it becomes a question whether or not trump will comply. he's given no indication whether he will and what the committee, if anything, will do about it if he refuses.

there are a couple things to consider. the first is what the committee wants out of donald trump. the members say they believe they've made a clear and compelling case about the former presidents centrality to the attack on the capitol. members have also said there are about 30 witnesses who plead the fifth, taken the fifth amendment, refused to answer questions when it comes to donald trump and his actions. they believe that's justification for them to call on trump to set the record straight. the second consideration is the calendar. in about two and a half months this committee will be out of business. they have to set deadlines that will be reasonable for the witness to produce the documents and testimony in time, as well as give themselves enough time to decide what to do legally potentially a criminal referral if they choose to go that route.

they have to juggle that with the fact they're writing a final report that would explain what happened on january 6th, why it happened and how to stop it from happening. you add it all up and a busy final stretch for the january 6th committee. >> michael, you have written trump told aides he wants to testify, but he wants to do it live which is probably a nonstarter. bottom line, why would he or wouldn't he testify? what are you hearing? >> trump has said in the hours after it came out that they were going to move forward with this subpoena that he wanted to do this. it's easy to say that. it's another thing to do that. trump believes he is his own best spokesperson. he wanted to go and speak with mueller at the time during the russia investigation. he wanted to speak with congress during the impeachment investigation. he was stopped by his lawyers. more recently he has invoked the

fifth amendment when he was deposed as part of the new york state attorney general's investigation into the trump organization, taking the fifth over 400 times. he certainly understands the pit falls of that. at the same time he's not someone who has shown a lot of self-restraint and could he stop himself from the idea of having a nationally televised deposition where he gets to have the whole country watch him. would that push him to go along and do that? i'm pretty sure there's no lawyer who would think this is a good idea. this is someone who has a terrible history with the truth and someone who has his own legal exposure. there are ongoing justice department investigations into his conduct. if you're a lawyer, you do not want your client going under

oath to talk about things while that is going on. at the same time trump has such a history of ignoring lawyers and flouting norms. maybe he would be willing to do this. so it really remains to be seen what will happen in the coming weeks between him and the committee. >> tally, legally speaking what happens if trump decides to go the other way and ignore the subpoena? >> that's the more likely outcome despite what he's said. we know he's very comfortable exerting executive privilege. more likely he would exert that privilege against a congressional inquiry. he often relies on the strategy

of running out the clock. i have to believe that the committee, of course, knew that was the most likely outcome when it said it wanted to hear from him, and they have made the judgment that it's important for the historical record and important for the public's current understanding of what happened for him to actually do that, for him to not come in and not respond to this branch of government that said we need this information from you. >> frank, one piece of trump's response that points to a defense is his claim that he recommended and authorized thousands of troops to be deployed to the capitol days before january 6th. is there any evidence to back that up? >> numerous outlets have dug deeply into this assertion. it seems like there's nothing there. in fact, this whole prospect of trump testifying really raises

the potential for the committee to lay these things to rest. not only hear what he's going to assert in defense, also completely counter it before a television audience. there's tremendous value in that in terms of suppressing all his assertions from more voters voting than on the record to suitcases in atlanta in fulton county. all that could come out. all could be suppressed with facts. i think it has tremendous value. no, that assertion of calling out troops, which has been denied, mimitigated, all that could come out. there's tremendous value in having the committee counter each and every one of his defenses during testimony. >> one big takeaway, tali, was the evidence trump knew he lost the election and pushed ahead to overturn it anyway. here's a clip. >> the president says i think --

it could have been pompeo. he says words to the effect, yeah, we lost, we need to let that issue go to the next guy, meaning president biden. >> he said can you believe i lost to this effing guy? >> i said does the president believe he lost? he said he believes he lot, but wants to keep fighting. >> does this go to his mindset? >> that was the most interesting new information that we heard yesterday, that the president understood that he was on his way to losing fair and square, that he was casting about for a reason to -- a pretext for saying his loss was actually a victory. he was being advised not to be incumbered by the law by asserting that he was victorious despite absentee ballots and

early voting still pending. look, this was not a criminal proceeding. if we think about what information came out of this committee hearings that could contribute to a criminal case, then i think that is a spectacularly important piece of information. >> so, of course, there's illegal and then there's the political. michael, i want to play a clip obtained by cnn shot by alexandra pelosi showing her mother, speaker pelosi, on january 6th. >> secret service said they dissuaded him from coming to capitol hill. they said they don't have the resources to protect him. at the moment he's not coming, but that could change. >> i hope he comes. i want to punch him out. i've been waiting for this. i want to punch him out. i'm going to go to jail, but i'll be happy. >> a lot of democrats feel that

way. i'm curious as to your take on the impact of this video just ahead of the midterms. is there a bigger picture that maybe it's just not about what happened that day, the historical record? i wonder what you thought when you saw that video. >> what i thought about when i saw that video was the -- what it was like for these individuals inside the capitol while it was going on. i had a lot of colleagues who were there that day. what a terrifying event that was. you have these people storming into the capitol. it wasn't clear whether you should flee or take hold in an office. if you stayed in an office, what would happen? the fright that comes with that in being stuck there as this is all going on. we've seen at the hearings in the video played, these mobs can

very close to different lawmakers as lawmakers were trying to get to safety. there's the whole breakdown of how the vice president was ushered out as the mob was coming in to the building. just the absolute terrifying nature of that and what it was like to try and navigate that at a time when the president of the united states had taken the side of those that were storming the building and it was really unclear who was running the country and who could make decisions about deploying the military and responding to it. just the extraordinariness of that and frighteningness of that. >> we saw leaders on both sides. a real show of bipartisanship. they were calling for help. >> thank you all so much. whether or not that clip ends up as a rallying cry for democrats,

they're going to need some of that toughness if they're going to prevail in the midterms, particularly on the economic front. thursday's report showed prices rising faster than expected and inflation still near 40-year highs. that's got the american people looking for answers and some relief and not finding either one. i want to bring brian chung. brian, where are we with this? any hope the economy is going to improve any time soon? a lot of folks are getting more and more nervous. >> reporter: it's an open question without a clear answer. there are some signs that we're at some inflection point. you mentioned the inflation numbers, 8.2% was the different between september prices of this year and september prices of last year. americans are feeling that at the stores, at the pump, wherever they're going. we are seeing some encouraging signs when we see the retail

sales report we got this morning. it showed a flat lining of retail sales between august and september. one reason is that americans had to spend more on food. they had to par back on other expenses like furniture, electronics, hobbies, musical instruments. it's not good to see americans pinched by high inflation. it does tell you that there's perhaps steam coming out of the economy, something is fed will keep an eye on. >> the fed has raised interest rates .75% three times in a row. now they're talking about another .75% hike. when people look at that and say why, it hasn't worked so far? is that an old response to a new kind of post covid problem? >> reporter: one argument is it

is the same old response, the one used in the 1970s when the chair of the fed did something similar. the federal reserve having to resort to ratcheting borrowing costs. it's not had an impact yet because it could take time for the rate hikes to bleed through the economy. the federal reserve only started raising rates in march of this year. some projections are the hikes take between 6 to 12 months to bleed through. >> brian chung, thank you so much. oh, the pressure as election day looms. why reporters are calling last night's wisconsin debate ugly? the high anticipation for tonight's georgia showdown. plus, more russia bombings and suffering in ukraine. i'll talk with someone in the

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republican don johnson and della barnes taking the gloves off. >> he's a reformer. >> he hasn't done a single thing for us. he's had 12 years to show up and work in wisconsin. he's refused to. >> we need law enforcement. the problem of the defund moment which he's a supporter of it disspirits law enforcement. >> johnson is leading barnes by 6 points. that's a dramatic shift when the numbers were flipped. >> in georgia it's almost impossible to overhype tonight's one and only face off between raphael warnock and herschel

walker. katy tur is in georgia where she'll be hosting her show and matthew dowd, nbc political analyst. katy, i think tonight is going to be amazing. the controversy affecting herschel walker having no effect on voters. walker is trailing warnock, but i wonder if you're getting a sense how crucial the debate tonight might be. >> reporter: those poll numbers look good for warnock. they're by no means a shoe-in. i've been speaking to people on the street and ask them who they're voting for. i've gotten mixed. i've also gotten i'm not voting for herschel walker because he's

a liar. their words not mine. there's also the scandal that he paid for an abortion. also the scandal about what his son has been putting out there, calling him a bad dad. also the other issues where he said he was in the fbi, he was not. there were questions about his fitness for office. this debate is going to get fiery. i don't expect raphael warnock to bring up the scandal we've been hearing about, paying for an abortion. the moderator will bring that up. raphael warnock has shied away from that. i would expect walker to talk warnock's child support battle he's in. it's standard when you're in

that situation. when you're considering what's at stake for georgia, there are a lot of voters who want to hear about policy. they've heard about the scandal. there are a lot of independent voters who want to hear what this person is going to do for the state of georgia. you have walker who is going to say that warnock is a biden puppet, he's a rubber stamp, just a part of the democratic party. warnock is going to say i was part of a bipartisan infrastructure bill. i got a lot of money for this state. we're in front of the port in savannah that was clogged and backed up because of supply chain issues. millions of dollars went to make this port more functional, more storage area to clear out that backlog. a lot of that money is being used right now and there's an expectation that raphael warnock is going to say i've done a lot. you have a track record now.

i've been proven. give me six more years. >> it's going to be a good one, matthew. "the new york times" called raphael warnock a study in restraint. he's also known for his skills on the pulpit. on the campaign trail, on the debate stage would he be missing a chance not to go after herschel walker, not to have an opportunity to put this race away? >> first, to set a context on the race, though the movement has been slight, it's been enough in georgia right now over the course of the last few weeks to erase the democrats only win by a point. it's two points or so in warnock's direction. if i were advising warnock, i would go after herschel walker's

competency to hold office, his faith and what that means to him. i agree he should not go after him on the personal allegations. go at him on his competency to hold office, his election denying and all the stuff related to trump. we're almost three weeks out. we're at the moment when things begin to get locked in. not fully, but locked in. it means all you're talking about is moving 2 or 3% of the people that are going to vote. it's done through motivation, motivate your base. it's done through mechanics and message. if i were warnock, i would want to disqualify herschel walker, which he's done a good job himself doing. >> all of this applies also to wisconsin. did the debate change any minds? what are you hearing? >> reporter: that's the big question, chris.

one thing i felt inside the debate hall is the crowd was there to support barnes. when you look at the statewide picture, you're seeing people's minds being shifted in the direction of ron johnson. it was clear that both candidates understood that. excuse me. both candidates understood that. as they were on the debate stage, they were prepared with one liners attacking the other. the one thing we've been seeing that's responsible for that shift in opinions are the ads targeting barnes on the issue of crime. you saw that montage. that's something we heard on the debate stage. barnes firing back bringing up the insurrection in washington, d.c. and also saying that ron johnson is too extreme on abortion. democrats believe they can have an advantage and retake the momentum in the state. crime and abortion, we'll expect

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having to work overtime to discover the bodies of those killed. this is 11-year-old artem who was trapped for seven hours under the rubble. it was such relief to see this video. his dad now tells he died hours later from heart failure. one example of how children are brutally victimized. i want to bring in kyle perry in kyiv and dr. irwin in lviv, ukraine. he's co-founder of ukraine's children action project. kyle, you sat down with the speaker of the ukrainian parliament. what does he see as the stit of the war and what are his thoughts on western support? >> reporter: it has been a rough week in kyiv. the death toll, three dozen dead across the country. it raises the question that few

people want to talk about, who is next in the line of success after president zelenskyy. we spoke to the head of the ukrainian parliament. i asked about russia's nuclear threats and his reaction. take a listen. [ speaking in non-english ] >> translator: according to the information i have from ukrainian intelligence sources, there is a possibility, but it is not high. this is primarily due to the fact that the use of nuclear weapons is a red line that no one in the world will forgive putin for. the user of nuclear weapons -- they will have no borders and could affect people not subjects of this war. >> reporter: it's a surreal scene in kyiv. you can see how dark it is behind me. this is a city anticipating or worried about future air strikes. when you talk to people on the streets, they have a plan if there's a nuclear attack.

it's surreal and a city that's very much at war. >> doctor, this is your fourth trip since april. you provided photos and videos of what you have seen. ukrainians taking to shelters. here's one in a hospital basement. every time a missile drop it escalates the humanitarian crisis. what are you seeing on the ground? >> this is an unmitigated disaster for the children of ukraine. ukraine had about 7.5 million children living in ukraine prior to february 24th. three quarters of them -- two thirds have been displaced, some from the east and the south to western ukraine and including where i am in lviv. another 2.5 million are out of the country as refugees. these children are not just living someplace comfortably.

these are children who are not going to school, who are deeply traumatized psychologically and they're in very abnormal environments with uncertainty. when the attacks started on monday all over the country, including lviv, which was thought to be a safe area for them, that has caused a significant amount of terror and disruption. you wouldn't know it walking on the streets because people are trying to live their lives. the fact is there's anxiety. anxiety is anxiety about the nuclear question. it's just an ongoing problem and from a child's point of view the war has to stop. even it stopped tomorrow, we're talking about many, many years of recovery and getting communities back and homes rebuilt and at least $1 trillion in recovery costs. every day of continued bombing and missile strikes adds to the

crisis that children are facing. it's just a shame. >> it's extraordinary. i know that you talked to a lot of children. we've seen some of the video of you with kids. there was that one child who even said to you what they wanted to be when they grew up that really touched you deeply. tell us about that moment. >> i think you're looking at images of this. these are a dozen kids in an orphanage in lviv that came from the east. you know, they were really suffering a lot, but i wanted to see what they're hoping for. we went around and i asked every one what do you want to be when you grow up? they said nurses, teachers, singers. this last young lady right here is a young girl. i said what do you want to be? she said i want to be the president of ukraine. i'm thinking, oh, my god.

it knocked me over. what this is is a universal truth which is that children everywhere want to grow up healthy and fulfill their aspirations, reach their potential. that's what they want. same thing american children want. same thing children all over the world want. the problem is when they're facing adversity like in the middle of a war, their possibilities of achieving a productive and happy future get completely attenuated. by the way, i don't know how ukraine is ever going to recover if the futures of their children have been impaired like we're seeing right now across this country. >> we thank you for the work you and everyone are doing. we look forward to hearing more from you and keeping this on the forefront so people understand the ongoing toll this war is

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the source went on to say their plan is to literally kill people. despite this certain white house and secret service witnesses previously testified that they received no intelligence about violence that could have potentially threatened any of the protectees on january 6th. >> that was congressman adam schiff raising questions about the u.s. secret service, which despite seeing warnings of violence for more than a week failed to put a plan in place that might have stopped the january 6th rally from turning into an insurrection. was it an intelligence failure or deliberate decision to ignore it? nbc news has confirmed evidence just handed over to the committee showing at least one secret service agent in regular contact with members of the far right oath keepers before january 6th. the extremist making, quote,

numerous calls once they had the agent's number. i want to bring in ben collins and frank. the committee showed the secret service had these threats. not only did they fail to do anything to prevent the insurrection, but they sent the president into the area. what is your explanation? >> i wish i had an explanation. i don't think any of us do. there's too much here to explain easily. if the committee doesn't get to the bottom of this and their final report doesn't point out who may have lied to them and how we avoid doing this again, then the committee has failed. chris, there may be people -- i think adam schiff was hinting at it, within these agencies, who actually need to be referred

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willful blindness here. >> ben, you studied this, the relationship between members of secret service and trump and far right wing insurrectionists. is there strong evidence that this wasn't an intelligence failure? >> they absolutely knew. jason miller sent a thread from the donald over to people in the white house. that thread talks about hanging people and constructing gallows. guess what happened on january 6th? they constructed gallows. he seemed to be happy about it. he said he got the base riled up. these people knew. just a thought experiment. imagine tens of thousands of people coming to the capitol to decertify a vote that were from another organization. say they identified as antifa or

black lives matter and they talked about killing people in congress. do you think the secret service and the fbi wouldn't follow up? do you really? the answer is, of course, they would. these people had diplomatic immunity because they were in favor of donald trump. >> which may lead us to the call or calls between the oath keepers and one secret service agent that just came into the committee. we just learned about it in the last hour. is that unusual or concerning in any way? >> so, here's the deal. it's not unusual for law enforcement to reach out to potential protest groups or even to people who say, hey, we're helping provide partial security for this event and coordinate that. who is going to be armed? here's our security perimeter. what are you planning? i get all that.

what i don't get is repeated contact with a group like oath keepers that's a paramilitary militia with a sorted history and treating them like a security partner. who are you going to be escorting in and out of our event? that troubles me. we need to get to the bottom of it. >> i think the key question here, frank, is that a procedure problem or personnel problem? >> you have the heart of the issue. we don't want this to be a mystery as to what happened and why. the committee has to get this locked down. there has to be accountability from the biden administration once they see what's in the final report from the committee. >> ben and frank, great having you guys on. thank you. today in north carolina police have a 15-year-old suspect in custody after that

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verdict. this verdict, what it says to me, to my family, to other families was his life meant more than the 17 that were murdered and the 17 that were shot and the thousands of people in that school and in that community that are terrorized and traumatized every single day. >> the wife of chris himson, the school's athletic director killed after he ran into the building to try to stop the shooter. debbie, thanks for being with us. i never want to talk to you and i remind folks that your husband was a hero. 24 hours after hearing the decision, what are you thinking? what you are feeling today? >> still in shock and disgusted. devastated. to me, it's still it shows that at least one person in that jury found his mitigating factors, which that they knew exist, that

they were more valuable than the aggregating factors of cruelty, heinous crimes that he was calculating, that it was a cold murder, that he might have a mental illness or a physical upraising, those would outweigh the cruelties of these murders. it's just unbelievable. >> the judge will have to give him life in prison, but will you speak before that sentence is handed down? and what do you want to say? >> i'm still debating. i think i will probably know november 1st, the day of the sentencing, so we have the opportunity to say something. i know that my older son wants to say something, possibly my younger son, as was shown on the screen, there but really, it is an opportunity to say something to the shooter, and i just want him to know that this isn't

going to break us, that's what he wants, right, he wants the families to suffer, and to be famous. and for me, i hope after november 1st, that door shuts on him and who he is, and that he even exists. so the opportunity to say you didn't break us, we will pull ourselves back out of this and honor all of those that you stole from us in a way that bridges light and positivity -- brings light and positivity, where you brought darkness and sadness. >> as you know, five more people were killed yesterday in a mass shooting in raleigh. nobody knows the pain of those families like you. there have been more than 500 mass shootings this year alone, according to the gun violence archives. debbi, what can be done here? >> you know, we have to as a society agree that not everybody should have the opportunity to own a firearm.

there are just people who shouldn't have it, and there should be an older age, you know, 21 at the minimum, you can't rent a car until you're 25, because studies have shown that your brain is not fully developed, so why is it that in some places, you can purchase a firearm at 18? you know, there could be special ways that if you're a hunter, that you have certain license, and because i know people use weapons, or firearms for different reasons, but they're way too many people who use them to hunt people, and we have to find a way, we have to agree as a society that this is enough, and that we are going to work together to make sure that we stop allowing this to happen. but until we start those conversations, it's going to continue. >> i think an important part of the conversation is to remind people what has been lost. and i know you've been at this many times over the years. but what is your, what has your

family lost? tell us about chris. >> chris is one of those people who made you feel like family as soon as he started talking to you. he made you feel safe, he made you feel important, and that he would do anything for you, because that's really 100% who he was. he had his open office for his students, if they needed lunch money, we took in a couple of students in our house, because they were having difficult times with their families, and you know, he was just such an extraordinary man, and he was -- he didn't deserve this, nor did any of those other 16 beautiful positive rays of light in this world, and we just have to remember what is lost, because it's not -- we have to move on, we have to figure out how to

move through it and honor them in ways that brings back some of their light to the world. >> i hope it helps you to move through it to know that a door will shut, and you and so many families continue to amaze me how you move forward and try to make something out of the most horrific experience anybody can have. thank you for being on the program. we appreciate it so much. >> thank you for the opportunity. that is going to do it for us this hour. please join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday at 1:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. you don't want to go anywhere. katy tur is reporting live from georgia next. a private 5g netw. so you can do more than connect your business, you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns and order their own replacement parts. (foreman) nice work. (vo) and retailers can get ahead of the fashion trend of the day with a new line tomorrow. with a verizon private 5g network, you can get more agility and security.

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good to be with you. i'm katy tur. there is probably perhaps no more more interesting than this midterm election cycle than georgia, and that is where we are today, broadcasting from

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