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like oh i can do that. and then learn another language. >> when i was a kid, i can't remember a time where speaking spanish wasn't cool. i just remember at school i was told, you leave that at home. you job as a different version of yourself here so now knowing that i've gotten to work on a project that is promoting bilingualism. is teaching kids spanish. it's really special. >> it is really special. and you can catch the rest of my discussion with jimmy and andrea on my show, american voices this sunday 6 pm eastern right here on msnbc. and that night, i wish you a good night from all of our colleagues at msnbc news. thank you for staying up late! we will see you on monday! u for staying up late! we will sewe have a lot to get . every senate race in the country is essentially the most important senate race in the country, with dozens of election deniers on the ballot, and democracy itself hanging in the balance. not one of them is more
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critical than the georgia senate race. it is the battle that could determine the future control of the upper chamber. that debate tonight, just a few moments ago, actually, between the incumbent democratic senator from georgia, reverend raphael warnock, and republican candidate, herschel walker, is the thing that could tip the scales. the stakes were already high headed into this debate, by the way, it's the only debate that candidates will participate in. for a race that could determine which party controls the senate. in other, words a lot of people have a lot of interest in how this debate went down. especially because, for the past few weeks, we have endured, seemingly, and this barrage of stories about the republican candidate in particular, herschel walker. there have been reports about domestic abuse allegations, having secret children, paying for an ex girlfriend to have an abortion because he wasn't ready to be a father, that the ex girlfriend was also the mother of one of secrets children, and had to press
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walker to pay for the abortion he asked her to get, and that walker wanted her to and they second pregnancy, and walk, or a multimillionaire, pays just above the legal minimum in child support, and, and, and, and, and, it has been a lot, especially three days before early voting starts in the state of georgia. walker, who is running on a platform of family values and anti-abortion rights, has issued near constant denials about almost all of these stories. while this has sent him inching down in the polls, it is not by as much as you might expect. across all four of the polls taken since october 3rd, when the most recent wave of herschel walker stories broke, walker only fell behind raphael warnock by 2. 5 percentage points on average. that's well within the margin of error of all of those polls. it is a tight race. two very different candidates are running neck and neck, and
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voters will start casting ballots on monday, which brings us to the debate tonight, again, just a few moments ago. it was nothing short of surprising that, and that debate, senator warnock chose not to address most of the allegations by herschel walker, and the abortions, and the absentee fatherhood. he chose not to address them with anything more than this. this is under the radar remark which came in response to allegations against the senator. >> your ex-wife i'll a lawsuit that has increased child support, saying that she had to pay for childcare on days that your duties as a senator interfered with your parenting time, and citing significant increases in your income. in 30 seconds, what is your response to that lawsuit? >> listen, i went through a divorce. like a lot of people. while that was a painful period, what came out of that was too amazing children, that i just talked to before i came on the stage, and my children know that i am with them and for them, and that i support them in every single way that a father does. >> walker was asked to address some of the allegations about
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urging and paying for an ex girlfriend to have an abortion, but this is about all we got on that. >> we're going to start with you, mister walker. a week before this debate, a former girlfriend made public accusations, saying you paid for an abortion, and you encouraged her to have another. in an abc news interview this week, he said the accusations are, quote, all lies. for the voters watching tonight, can you explain the circumstances surrounding these claims? you have 60 seconds. >> as i said, that's a lie. most thing, i put it in the book, one thing about my life, is i've been very transparent, and unlike the senator, he's hearing things, i said that's a lie. on abortion, you know i'm a christian, i believe in life. i tell people, this georgia is a state that respects life, and i will be a senator that protects life. >> he's a question and he believes in life, full stop.
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warnock, reverend warnock, did not bring up allegations of domestic abuse of violence and spousal abuse, but he keyed reverend warnock was asked about his own child support payments, as you heard earlier, and a claim by walker that warnock has spoken ill of law enforcement. that prompted, probably, the most interesting exchange of the night. take a listen. >> one thing i have not done, i've never pretended to be a police officer, and, and i've never -- i've never threatened a shootout with the police. and now -- >> i have to respond to that. >> we are moving on, gentlemen. >> i have to respond to that. you know what is so funny? i am one of many police officers. at the same time -- >> mr. walker --
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>> no, no. >> mister walker, excuse me, mister walker, please -- out of respect, i need to let you know, mr. walker, you are very well aware of the rules tonight. >> yes. >> you have a prop. that is not allowed, sir. i ask you to put that probe away. >> it's not a prop. this is real. if he said i have a prop -- >> it is considered a prop, mister walker. mister walker, excuse me, sir, you are very well aware of the rules. aren't you? >> well -- >> aren't you aware of the rules? >> he brought up the truth, let's talk about the truth. >> thank you for putting that prop away. >> that was essentially herschel walker strategy during the debate, heavy on the political theater, light on the substance, and praying that senator warnock would go high well he went low. the question is, how does this all pan out? in just a few weeks, or days. joining us, now tim mitchell, washington correspondent for the atlanta journal-constitution. miss mitchell, thank you for being here tonight. i think, i found the debate, sort of, both shocking, riveting, and confusing, in a lot of ways. what was your assessment of how each candidate approach the debate stage and their strategies, respectively? >> well, it's clear, number one, herschel walker was very well
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prepared. we know that, in the past, you know, sometimes, impromptu speaking is not his thing, some rambling nonsensical answers. he was pretty obvious, he was very well prepared, and it was clear his strategy was to try to tie senator warnock to joe biden every chance he could. we saw a lot of records, and you could start hearing the crowd reacting to herschel walker peppering up joe biden anytime he could. i think reverend warnock tried his best, number one, to defend his record. he tried his best to humanize themself, and humanize the politics, so he was telling stories and talking about constituents, and talking about the people he has met along the way that have informed his decision making, but again, focusing on saying this is what i have done, this is what i have accomplished, and pushing back on that line that he is tied to joe biden. he talked a lot about being
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bipartisan talked a lot about saying that he would stand up to president biden, and things like that. >> what do you make of warnock 's strategy not to bring up any of the allegations against walker, which have dominated the national news media? is that a georgia specific strategy? tell us a little bit how you read that choice. >> that's definitely been the strategy throughout these recent controversies. warnock has responded when asked, he has not and promptly, brought up allegations against herschel walker. i think it's twofold. i think, number one, his campaign is taking the posture that these allegations are damning enough on his opponent, on their own, that there is no need to pour gasoline on the fire. i also think because, you know, in that divorce reverend walker to talk about today, there was an allegation from his ex-wife that he ran over her foot, and she filed a police report, and said he is a great pretender.
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he did not face any charges, police said they saw no sign of injury, but, you know, it's an obvious kind of counter point, should reverend warnock bring up the allegations against herschel watcher. in general, i think it's safer to steer clear. i was surprised, as you noted, that to the allegations against herschel walker didn't get as much attention in the debate as they received in all the days leading up to it. >> i think it was a single question with 30 seconds for a response. do you think -- i mean, let me ask you one more question, before we go, which is, i mean, to what degree do the allegations make a difference with georgia voters? to what degree does the debate make a difference with georgia voters? i mean, how do you see this race play out? early voting starts on monday. like, where are we in all this? the race seems extraordinarily tight? >> i think the race is going to be tight because georgia is a swing state, and our statewide
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race is going to be tight these days. i think that, you know, the allegations have definitely heard herschel walker, but we all also know that many conservative voters, many republican voters are still with him, and i think there are some voters who may have been on the fence, and this debate might have kept them in herschel walker's corner, because he didn't have any major blunders. yes, he made comments that, you know, when you fact check them, we're all over the place, not accurate. he did flip-flop his stance on abortion, so to speak. there were no major blunders, you know, that could turn of someone who was looking for a reason to support him. i think this might have helped some people stay in his camp. these are people who are more likely to be in his camp starting out. i definitely don't think that
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either candidate changed any minds tonight. >> tia mitchell, washington correspondent for the atlanta journal-constitution. tia, thank you for joining us, thank you for your time. let us turn now to my wise friend, my colleague, host of the readout, joy reid. joy, thank you for being here tonight. >> i am so glad to be here. he gave me a great excuse to stay longer and watch the debate! >> yeah, what did you think of it? >> so, i think that tia is correct, no minds will be changed, i don't think any could be changed in these races. people are locked, in and republican voters who are choosing herschel walker polling at 40, five 46%, they've already built in any of their feelings about his lies. i pulled in an exhaustive list of his lies. they trained at quantico. it's not exhaustive. he made up the charities that he gave her senate of his income to charity, not true, not true, not true. so he graduated at the top of his class in college, when he didn't graduate from college,
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right? >> in addition to everything else, in addition to everything else. they've baked that in, they say they don't care, because what republican voters want is the seat. i think that the sad thing about it is anyone who's -- lieutenant governor of georgia said. he's only the candidate because he's cast by donald trump. so, what you saw tonight was a guy who was heavily scripted. he stuck to the script, he was told to say these three things, 96%, 96%, 96%, joe biden, joe biden, joe biden. >> raphael warnock voted, 96% of the time. [inaudible] and that's your strategy. >> yeah. >> to your point, i think we have a quote from shelley winter, a black conservative radio show host, in atlanta, considering herschel walker a means to an end. there's a lot of stuff that doesn't look so good for herschel, but my vote is strictly about control of the senate, period. >> it's literally about doing the bidding of donald, trump and donald trump has said it. he is a vehicle to it. i think what is unfortunate, it does damage -- i don't know, the lack of respect for interest in the
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quality of the politician you are sending to represent. do they really don't care. they don't care. by, the way we didn't get to the theatrical. there was the essential moment, let's not forget, he is donald trump. he is doing the donald. trumpy comes with a prop. let's say i had a, prop he had his. he said, you have one to! >> i have one too! >> where can i get one? >> this, to me, is what's going to be the take away from this debate. nothing else in it was actually -- nothing else moved the debate. this moment is the moment that's going to get reproduced on saturday night live because it was herschel walker doing a donald trump. he decided to pull a theatrical move, and elicited laughter. it's ridiculous. he's not a police officer. there's no reason -- >> he just plays one. >> there is no reason for him to have a badge then there is for me. >> you're not claiming you are a police officer. i do want to talk about
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warnock's strategy, because it is consistent with the strategy we saw. i mean, i thought of barack obama, in debates where i think a lot of people were frustrated, and you are so much smarter than this guy. how can we not be more aggressive? why can't you go for the jugular? it's a decision on warnock's point. i know that tia mitchell said there maybe a feeling in the warnock campaign there's vulnerabilities in terms of his past, his relationship with his ex-wife. the excess of scandal that clouds herschel walker's candidacy is too rich to stay away from, unless you really are making a concerted effort not to have that as part of your strategy. i wonder if there is something deeper here about expectations for candidates like barack obama, and like referenda warnock. >> you are absolutely right. i think this is the difference between the expectations of democratic voters, and the independent voters who choose to vote for democrats. and the expectations of republican voters. republican voters don't care if
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the candidate of their choice is violent towards women, they don't care if you put a gun to the head of his former wife, they don't care if, and their minds, he is a murderer, because they believe abortion is murder. he is a means to an end, and as long as he is the one thing they need him to be, compliant, he will be compliant. he will vote the way trump wants them to vote, mitch mcconnell wants him to vote, and he will vote the way the party wants him to vote for the ends that those voters want. they don't care who he is, or what he. as i don't care he started off by saying, i want, you know, to start by thanking my lord, jesus christ, which is how he started. doesn't matter, the christianity isn't even a factor for them, really. for democratic voters, and independent voters, and let's be honest, white, moderate voters are also going to be the ones voting for raphael warnock. >> that's what you've been actively courting, though. >> what do you have to, be if you are barack obama, raphael, warnock is measured. it's not angry, it's not attacking, it's not aggressive. for democratic votes, democratic candidates, you know,
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there is a different expectation of dignity. there's a different demand for dignity. you have to -- remember, president obama, barack obama, when he was running, it was said that he was the least angry black man in america, it's the only way he could win. that is the same charge raphael warnock -- >> that idea of the angry black man hangs over, it clouds, kind of, the way that incredibly accomplished black candidates feel they have to comport themselves. there's the question of what herschel walker's candidacy does to this sort of world of black politics. i want to read an excerpt from the usa today editorial, which is rather scathing. for some republicans, any warm body that can be used as a pawn is sufficient. the fact herschel walker happens to be black is an irony too delicious to resist for some voters who've chosen to rally behind one of the most unqualified political candidates in recent memory. a community that fought against stereotypes of violence, criminality, intellectual inferiority, and sexual promiscuity, walker is an embarrassment. the idea of being judged by the
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worst examples of your community is not a burden which with most americans are familiar. as a leader, walker would be a representative of the black community by default, whether he intends to represent the community or not, and whether the black community wants it or not. i mean, talk about that for the second, the idea that -- even right now, he's a representative of the black community by default because we're talking about, him he is the republican candidate for senate. what is his candidacy? what does he need to white republicans, and what does he mean to, you know, the black community, if he is actually elected? >> here's the reality. donald trump is the person who is the casting director for much of the republican feud. so, he told you what he thinks of black men. he is athletic, he is compliant, he might be a little violent, right? but he is going to forward the interests of those same white voters, the same white folks who love donald trump. he will never, in any way, interrupt the drive toward a white, christian -- >> nationalist. >> nationalist agenda.
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he will comply with that agenda. number one, he's never going to think through an alternative agenda. he would never defy that agenda. that is the perfect black candidate, right? you could say, i'm not racist, i voted for the black. >> i--. >> it's the black guy who will never, ever question, or interrupt the drive toward the white christian nationalist agenda that donald trump himself believes. and donald trump casted the one -- candidate. he texted somebody who is simply an entertainer. okay, maybe pushed supplements, might hurt you rather than help you. maybe a few dogs got hurt in the process. he is compliant. he will do what i say. it's okay to be a minority, it's fine, they want you in the party. you must be compliant. think about the noncompliance, high level, black men in the
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republican party that you could think of in the most recent era. it's michael steele. you know it happened to michael steele? he stopped being compliant. he got the boot. the complaint piece is the important piece. all that stuff about christianity as performative, if they truly believed in the dogma they're saying they believe in, he would be unacceptable, not just in the violence against women, abortion, but the fact she hasn't taken care of his children. you know what, that's a stereotype of black, when they don't take care of their children. untrue, but he lives down to it, and that's awfully convenient, as well for what donald trump thinks about black people. >> and what other white republicans may think of black people. >> it's why they love donald. trump >> overly destructive -- feels like a destructive moment for the country, for people of color, the race goes on, early voting begins monday. joy, no better person to talk to about this, live reaction from one of my favorite people. thank you for joining me, my
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degree that it is in charge of protecting the president's life. the agency's motto is, literally, worthy of trust and confidence. new revelations from the january 6th committee have raised significant doubts about whether the agency is actually living up to its stated goals. even before january 6th, there was public reporting president elect biden sought to change his presidential secret service detail, partially out of concerns that certain agents had exhibited loyalty to president trump. this summer, we learned the agency had somehow lost all of the text messages from agents phones on january 5th and sixth, and at yesterday's january 6th hearing, the committee outlined major discrepancies between the testimony it heard from members and secret service, and the evidence the committee has gathered. committee member adam schiff assorted that, quote, certain white house and secret service witnesses previously testified that they had received no intelligence about violence that could potentially threatened any of the protectees on january 6th including vice president pence. that testimony is now a direct
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conflict with agency emails that have been obtained by the committee. these are quotes from the secret service email ten days before january six. quote, they think that they will have a large enough group to march into d. c. and will outnumber the police so they can't be stopped. quote, their plan is to literally kill people. please, please take this tip seriously and investigate further. quote, the proud boys have detailed their plans on multiple websites. a week before january six, secret service received an email showing that the u.s. marshals service is seeing a lot of violent rhetoric on parlor, directed at government people, entities in addition to our protected persons. just to be clear here, the day before the riots, secret service communications warned specifically about threatening online chatter focused on vice president mike pence. on the morning of january 6th agents received a warning about online comments that vice president pence was, quote, a dead man walking. this all comes amid new reporting by nbc news about contacts between members of the
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oath keepers and secret service. and we see reports that it was not only one member of the far-right militia group, corresponding directly with the secret service, as revealed in this week's sedition trial. rather, multiple members of the oath keepers were in touch directly with the secret service. the january 6th committee has now asked the secret service to provide records of all the contact on the secret service and members of a militia group has been accused of seditious conspiracy against the united states. joining us now, congresswoman zoe lofgren, a member of the january 6th committee. congressman lofgren, thank you for being here tonight and spending your friday evening with us. let me first start with the number of records you have received from the secret service. i believe it is 1 million pieces of electronic communication in the past two weeks, and that's on top of 800,000 pages of material since july. on one hand, that seems like a lot of material and important evidence for the committee. let me first start with the number of records you have
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received from the secret service. i believe it is 1 million pieces of electronic communication in the past two weeks, and that's on top of 800,000 pages of material since july. on one hand, that seems like a lot of material and important evidence for the committee. on the other, hand i wonder whether that also might be in attempt to overwhelm the committee with just a mountain of evidence. do you see anything at all, potentially undermining, the volume of material that's been given to the committee? >> i will say the interaction between the secret service and the committee has been caused for concern. we didn't realize until inspector general, avery, port they were erased the phones after committees told them to keep the records. as we mentioned yesterday, in their hearing, the department of justice told them to preserve all the evidence. what was in that that they would defy that order and violate the laws, it's a question we still have. we didn't get very much information until finally we subpoenaed them, and we got some information, and it wasn't until over the labor day weekend, when several of us really through a huge fit, and discussed this with higher ups in the department, that we started to get a huge volume of material, millions, as you have pointed out. i don't know whether --
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well, i won't speculate. it was not easy to go through all that information, but i want to give a credit to the staff that worked nights and weekends, and we did go through and sort out material. there was important material we found, some of which we showed in our hearing on thursday. i don't know whether -- well, i won't speculate. it was not easy to go through all that information, but i want to give a credit to the staff that worked nights and weekends, and we did go through and sort out material. there was important material we found, some of which we showed in our hearing on thursday. the evidence that we got does not necessarily mesh with the testimony that we received. we will be seeking some
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clarification from witnesses. >> i want to talk more about that. in terms of the cooperation from the secret service, from the agency, you said you weren't getting anything until you through a fit. they have a response? did they have an explanation about why they've been holding on to over 1 million electronic records that ended up being put into your investigation? >> i thought they were lame excuses. i will say, once the secretary and special counsel he appointed to oversee this got involved, the information really started to flow. speculating as to the rationale would be not useful at this point. there is some concerning issues for example. they represented there would be no monitoring of social media, that they didn't know anything.
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that's clearly not the case. we've got the evidence that they were, that they didn't know anything about the threat and violence, but clearly they did. i mean, putting aside the threats they knew about, certainly even the day before, they saw the armed people that were arriving and they did not take steps to properly protect, not only their protectees, but the congress, and we have a lot of questions about the agency. i want to say this, those questions should not be read to and pew the integrity and hard work of many fine individual agents who served bravely and courageously in their jobs. >> you have gone out of your way to say that there is courage and integrity among certain agents in the agency, if you will.
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you also told my colleague, nicole wallace today, there is a problem in the agency. i wonder, do you believe that problem is widespread, when you talk about re-interviewing witnesses? are we talking about one or two people, or is it more than that? >> well, some of it is, you know, we want to know who did what, when, and why. there may also be a culture problem in the agency. for example, we didn't present this yesterday, but subsequent to the riot, you may remember kevin mccarthy was taught talking to the president,. and he was saying this is black lives matter or antifa, and mccarthy said, no, these are your people. they ransacked my office. everybody knew what happened. agents said, well, could this have been antifa? i mean, these are trump supporters who were blind to what was going on because of their political beliefs. that's dangerous because, if
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you can't see what is before you, you can't act to protect those who are in your care. >> well, i mean, let's talk explicitly, there were death threats against the vice president and they were basically leaving the vice president to a place that could have been a death trap. i guess i just wonder, in your estimation -- yeah. >> minutes away, actually. i think you would probably recall the exchange between the agents and the emergency operation center at the white house, where agents were fearing for their own lives, and hoping to get messages to their families. they came very close to all of them being victimized. the vice president and his small team of protective secret service people were sent into the capitol, when they knew that an armed mob of thousands of people was going to be sent to attack them. it's pretty shocking and leads to a lot of questions. >> the questions about willful
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violence and intentionality. congresswoman zoe lofgren, a member of the january 6th committee, thank you for your time, and thoughts this evening, congresswoman. >> thank you. >> still to come, election officials fear an onslaught of aggression election deniers harassing poll workers in november. that doesn't even count the aggressive election deniers who are on the ballots themselves. what to watch for, 25 days before the midterms. we have new reporting tonight about a second witness who was cooperating with the doj investigation into trump's documents and concerns that trump was flying some of those documents around the country. yes, really.
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candidates will actually be elected. there are more than half of the republican field, according to the washington post. by 30. com did an analysis, but framed the results differently, saying 60% of american voters will have at least one election denier on their ballot this fall. republicans haven't just crafted ballots across the country, it was anti-democratic election deniers. they're planning to flood polling places with them. check out this report from reuters. interviews with more than two dozen election officials revealed that and grassroots effort to recruit activists. it's heightened alarms that disturbances in this year's primary contests could foreshadow problems in november 's local state and national races. the reuters reporting focuses on arizona, north carolina, and nevada, which are three key seats this cycle. here's what they reported about arizona. during early voting in arizona 's pima county, and election reserve was told to put away binoculars, another was caught looking at private voter data, and another was asked to stop making comments about fraudulent elections.
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they also cite multiple complaints from voters that individuals were shouting at them from outside the 75 foot circumference around polling stations, where interaction with voters is banned. that reportedly happened during arizona's primaries, but imagine what could happen in november, now that there are election deniers in all of the top of the ticket statewide races. we're not talking about keri lake, the republican candidate for governor who has made election denialism the centerpiece of her campaign and is now pulling that connect with katie hobbs. we're talking about mark finchem, the republican nominee for secretary of state which is, of course, the office in charge of overseeing elections. and trump says if he wins he wants to use that office as unilateral authority over state election equipment to require that all future ballots to be counted by hand. for an indicator here, arizonans cast more than 3. 4 million ballots in the 2020 presidential election, a hand count, what could possibly go
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wrong? this is what happened in one about a county during this year 's primaries, according, again, to reuters. people with night vision goggles stood outside the register building and and their cameras at election workers counting votes on primary night in june. nevada, of course, one of the key states for party control of the u.s. senate and republican candidate for senate the former state co-chair for trump who filed lawsuits to overturn the 2020 election results. he could potentially flip that seat out of democratic hands. then there's north carolina, another key state, again, in terms of party control of the senate. currently one of the closest races in the country. according to reuters, officials in 16 north carolina counties reported unusually aggressive poll watchers this spring. one county, quote, observers demanded to inspect voting machine tabulators and violation of state election laws. others repeatedly grilled poll workers or demanded to take pictures inside voting stations,
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when they're told to stop, they said they were following guidance from a republican party law lawyer. this is apparently the playbook. democratic party tells reuters they've hired five staffers to work in those three states. as well as to others who faced growing threats to the democratic process. is that enough? there are 25 days until election day, strap yourselves in, and also, maybe consider volunteering to help but election workers in your state, because they obviously need to. we have much more ahead, including new questions about whether former president donald trump took more documents, ones that rightfully belong to the federal government, to even more places. that is next. president biden has now signed the inflation reduction act into law. ok, so what exactly does it mean for you? out of pocket costs for drugs will be capped. for seniors, insulin will be just $35.
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never-ending saga. the wall street journal reports today that, according to a person familiar with the matter, there are reportedly not one, but two trump aides who are witnesses, and the dust from its criminal investigation of trump's handling of classified documents. the washington post reported earlier but one of those witnesses who reportedly moved government documents of mar-a-lago from the storage room to trump's residence at the request of trump himself. trump himself apparently went through the boxes personally and removed some of them. we are now talking about the potential of multiple properties involved in this scandal, and now multiple witnesses. how do we decipher it all? joining us now, barbara quaid, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. barb, thanks, as always, for being here, and thanks, in advance, for your wisdom. >> you bet, alex, thanks for having me. >> what does it mean, practically, in terms of the justice department sphere, or
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investigators fear of it? some of these documents may have been flown, effectively, courtesy of air trump, to new york and new jersey. does that mean they're trying to cultivate witnesses? does that mean this entire thing may expand to new states, with new judges. what can you tell me from a legal perspective, how this affects things? >> two thoughts come to mind. one, they know some of the documents are still missing, because they keep records of what they have. they know some things on their list have still not been returned. they know that they also had empty file folders, that tended to appear to previously contained documents that are no longer there. they clearly believe some of these documents have not been returned.
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the question now is, where are they? they know donald trump not just has his mar-a-lago property, but these others. the second thing i think that is happening here is they are trying to develop probable cause to search some of these other locations. you can't just go in and search based on a hunch or a suspicion. you have to have witnesses who say, or some other evidence, that could show that there is a reasonable grounds to believe that evidence will be found in those locations. if they could get a witness to say, oh, yeah, i know donald trump took those documents with him when he went on a trip to bedminster, or a trip to trump tower, that could provide the probable cause they need to get a search warrant to those locations so they could look for the documents there. >> the unmasking of these two witnesses down at mar-a-lago, in your professional opinion, do you think that has a chilling effect on future, potential witnesses, say, in
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bedminster, or trump tower? does it have an emboldening effect? >> as a prosecutor, we sought to protect the identities of witnesses. oftentimes, people believe or suspect it's the government leaking the names of people. i can't believe the government is leaking the names of witnesses that could get burned here, or even harmed. even if, you know, trump isn't going to do anything to hurt, them there are all kinds of people out there in the world who could be really spun up by this, and tried to harm them, threatened them, harassed them. this has a chilling effect on other witnesses, those who might be willing to stick their neck out and say what they, saw or what they know, might be less inclined to do so, if they think it's going to be outed, ostracized, and maybe even threatened or harassed. >> i, mean when we think about the fact trump is reviewing these documents down in mar-a-lago, and may have chosen documents to take with him to points north, how does that reframe all of us in the intentionality, and the involvement, potential involvement of the president at an obstruction case? >> it does a couple things, alex. one, it dispels any defense might have had he didn't know
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was in these boxes. in the early stages, people might have been inclined to believe that, you know, a lot of stuff got boxed up in the chaos of january 20th, when he was moving out, thrown out in boxes, who knows what was there, and now they're trying to negotiate the return of those documents. if he is the one removing things, going through them, transporting them from point a to point b, then i think it becomes much harder to dispel that. i also think it can account for an aggravated factor. you may recall when jim comey stated, quite famously, that the fbi was recommending against charging hillary clinton, he said the reason for that was that, even though one could charge somebody for being grossly negligent in handling the classified documents, when you look at the history of all the cases that i've ever been charged, no cases been charged in the absence of some aggravating factor. those aggravating factors could include a willful violation of
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the law, storing them in such a way as to risk exposure, or obstruction of justice. if you look at those factors, here trump is three for three, if he is doing what he is alleged to be doing. >> not the batting average he wants. barbara mcquade, always good to see you. former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. thanks for your time on this friday night, barb. >> thank you, alex. >> just ahead, florida governor ron desantis tried to -- sending planes full of venezuelan migrants to massachusetts. it turns out around desantis might have owned himself. why that scent may be backfiring is up next. this is a glimpse into the not-too-distant future of lincoln. ♪♪ what's also nice... the prequel is pretty-sweet, too. ♪♪ and it's easier than ever to get your projects done right. with angi, you can connect with and see ratings and reviews. and when you book and pay throug you're covered by our happiness
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migrants to score political points, it appears this and is maybe unintentionally helping them instead. that is because the sheriff's office of bexar county opened a criminal investigation into the flights, and is now certified the migrants who were trapped in their boarding planes to the vineyard are the victims of a crime. the migrants have been expected to pursue asylum claims, but thanks to governor desantis, they are eligible to apply for special you visas, reserved for victims and witnesses of crimes. the visa would also prevent them from being deported until their cases are settled, and put them on a path to citizenship. in addition to the dissent is stunned, potentially helping the migrants, it is now also the subject of a treasury department probe looking into whether desantis may have misused covid-19 relief aid to fund the flights. you know what they say about
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karma. that does it for us tonight, rachel will be back on monday, and i will see you want tuesday. now, with just 25 days until the election, it is time for something special, the kornacki countdown, with steve kornacki. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> and we are 24 days, 19 hours, 59 minutes, 38 seconds and counting until the first polls close on election night. thank you so much for joining us for this election count down, here is what's going to be happening every friday night from now until election day, we are going to be right here, at this hour, at this board, bringing you the latest in polling, the latest data, the latest on the ground reporting and expert analysis as we draw near one of the most anticipated midterm elections in modern memory. that's going to be november the 8th. already, voting started in
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