trending. the shows already. donetsk you, twitter thanks for calling back at. as i we vaccinated 10 am eastern. but i am always so happy because while i say goodbye, i get to say hi to the amazing alex. what hey there, alex. >> i love our exchange. always can i just say, you had karen bass on. i loved that. she's gonna get some-ish over the years and she's also represented a family member of the congressional district of l.a.. so it's got a special look at. our heck of a race she is and right now, also i'm glad to give you the time. lastly, for people who aren't getting really closest going to see your double shirt, i love that you have law moore, should tom. beautiful. all right, my friend. >> thank, you. >> thank, you. alex meanwhile, a good time today to you from msnbc. welcome to alex reports. we begin with new developments in the battle of government documents seized at mar-a-lago.

a new exclusive report in the wall street journal suggested to people in the inner circle are talking to the fbi about moving government files in and out of mar-a-lago. msnbc news has reached out all parties for comment. we have not yet heard back from donald trump but we will talk to the lead writer on this exclusive report in just a few minutes. another big development, the justice department released yesterday that a federal appeals court to throw out trump's lawsuit. challenging the fbi's seizure of the documents. and to vacate the appointment of a special master in the case. in the january six investigation, new video obtained by msnbc news shows, the urgency behind the scenes. this from lawmakers on both sides of the aisle as they were taking shelter at a secure location while pleading for security reinforcements. . >> we are. july don't clear >> this cannot be we were waiting for someone.

so we need them there right now >> and with 24 days until the midterms georgia senate candidates squared off in their first and only debate last. may as voters make up their minds ahead of early voting on monday. former president obama is hoping to help them decide. he now plans to campaign for warnock in atlanta on october 28th. the next day, he will be joining michigan governor gretchen whitmer in detroit and then he will travel to milwaukee to campaign for mount olive are in a very tight race against gop senator ron johnson. joining us now from georgia with a closer look at that crucial senate race, alison barber and her mainly along with political contributor greg bluestein from the atlanta journal-constitution. welcome all three of. hey we're gonna begin with you alison and at savannah. one of the big takeaways from the debris? both campaigns are declaring victory this morning. walker's campaign saying that their candidate dominated the debate. we're not saying that there's

reminded georgia voters of why they sent them to the senate in the first place. this was a highly anticipated debate and there were quite a few heated moments on that stage. we incumbent senator warnock and we walker trading blows in their first unlikely only debate. >> he says no exceptions only even in the case of rape, inside, asked for the life of the mother. i think that is extreme. walker who once said that he would support an all-out ban on abortion attacking warnock for being a pastor who supports abortion rights. >> and instead of a boarding those babies, why are you not baptizing's babies. clarifying his current stance. i support the georgia heartbeat bill because that is about the people from governor kim. and i said that has to be there has to have exceptions in it. >> and deny accusations that he paid for the mother of one of his children to have an abortion. >> i would be a center that

protects life and i will say that's a lie and i am not biting dumb. >> throughout the debate we're not tried to emphasize his work in washington. >> i passed the single largest tax cut contrary to what my opponent is suggesting, for middle and working class families in american history. >> and paint walker's unqualified. >> i have never pretended to be a police officer and i have never threatened a shoot out with the police. >> walker pulling out what appeared to be some sort of badge only to be moderated by the moderator. >> you have a prop. that's not allowed sir. i ask you to put that prop. away >> walker jarred to focus on the economy. >> you have to blame this administration and senator warnock. because, and within two, years this inflation has gotten worse. untied were not to his approval rating among georgia's voters. >> can you tell me why he voted

with joe biden 96% of the time? >> every time georgian voters have the final word and early voting begins monday in a race it can determine which party controls the united states senate. >> in a recent poll from our friends at the hac, the two candidates here are essentially in a statistical tie. in georgia, a candidate has to reach a 50% threshold in order to avoid a runoff. alex? >> i will tell you the gloves are off. that is four down sure. thank you so much allison for that. as you heard abortion rights is one of several issues the candidates clashed over last night, with walker backtracking on previous statements that he wanted to ban the procedure without exceptions. and also continuing as of right now the abortion claims by a former girlfriend. >> georgia is a state that respects life, and i will be a senator that protects live. and i will say that was a lie and i'm not backing down. we have senator warnock, people that would do anything and say anything for this seat but i'm

not going to back down. because that seat is two important to the georgia people. >> the women of georgia have a clear choice as we are watching women die. do you want to senator who wants to control your life, or do you want a senator who wants to save her life? >> joining me now is nbc's tremaine lee who is at a debate watch party. alanis morehouse college. also greg bluestein, msnbc political contributor and political reporter for the atlantic journal-constitution. guys, welcome. jermaine, why are students saying about walker stance on abortion and how that plays against his past behavior in those accusations that urgently against him? >> i will tell you what, alex. in the context of the scandal around herschel walker in the abortion, weather didn't happen, and this debate, one thing we kept emerging in my conversation. hypocrisy. they are seems to be this ndamukong bagram air base into the political system, especially when it comes to conservatives like herschel

walker. but they said it seems to be like it is just team team team. their facts don't, matter past we hear don't matter, you can say whatever you want to the team. let's take a listen. >> with regards to herschel walker, i kind of had a general understanding that he was a black man who was sort of republican,, and things like that. but actually see him speak definitely made me more confident about supporting warnock. >> i'm not moved from voting for warnock. it was never in question whether our vote for him or not. but what i am hesitant about is my approach to poaching intern general going into these next four years. >> for these young war how students the this debate was a clarify moment for many of them who, they were really aware of herschel watchers path. they don't remember him like we do as grateful player. last night it was just to clarify moment. they see clearly who the man is. >> yeah, i've got a few more

questions for you to moment. but greg, anchor is your takeaways from the. debate with their clear winner? >> you know, i think herschel walker went in there to try to energize the conservative base and really just quell some of these concerns about his candidacy. i think he did that. but also senator warnock went into this debate continuing to aim for the middle. he didn't want to alienate liberal supporters but he has been trying to aim for swing voters who are concerned about herschel walker's candidacy for a while. that is what you saw some of his answers on joe biden and others. that have stood out in the survey. i think that he also, he didn't do anything to harm's chances whatsoever. >> jermaine, those two soundbites that you brought us with two different gentlemen, one of whom said by listening to this debate it only further to his resolve to vote for worn off. the other guy said i didn't play too much at howard's gonna vote. he's voting for warnock in this was a getaway him. did anybody tell you there was something they heard in the debate that would sway them?

>> one thing that was really interesting last night, alex, is that there was a range of students who themselves either as progressives or moderates. all of these young people were going to vote for warnock anyway. for them and either push them further into the confidence in voting for not, but also a sense that maybe they need to push for not as they want to push the democrats to really hard in their positions around where they want to be in terms of progressive policies or even their support for the party. when we're not kind of hesitated a bit around whether you'd support another biden run, some students raise their fingers and said that speaks to whether democrats can fall in line the same way republicans and conservatives do. >> which speaks to your second soundbite that we played. it's gonna make them focus on what he does in terms of voting for the next four years. greg, the next poll shows of the race is unchanged despite the flurry of reports. which contradicts his public stance on abortion. do you think walkers debated performance last night helped

him gain support with anyone who might be on the fence about him. we his biggest challenge right now is conservative republicans. some of them who live in the moderate-leaning suburbs. summer who are just frankly concerned with all of these allegations even before the abortion allegations. violence against his ex-wife violence against women erratic behavior lenders on the campaign trail, all these issues his campaign is confident that today they help quell some of those concerns those concerns aren't going away but they help at least quiet some of those concerns well at the same time senator warnock is going to be continuing to aim for the swing voters he talks about working with republicans and joe biden. the reason why is that figure that you showed from the poll earlier in the segment. joe biden is at 37 38% in two recent agency polls here in georgia so that continues to be a struggle for. democrat's >> yeah, what about the issues. one of the issues that these

young black students with whom you spoke are telling your most important to them right now and how confident are they that the world of politics can effect change in their community? >> alex i will tell you. what we have been on this interim erica power with hbcus all across the south engage with young people about the issues that matter most to them. beyond the issues like criminal justice and the economy. the one thing that kept emergent is that a lot of these young people don't have confidence in the political system period. they feel one side is actually hostile to them in the other side takes it for granted. i think the biggest takeaway from all of this. last night or in the weeks passed, is that the democrats need to be listening to these young people who are saying, come to our communities, here are voices. one man's last night said that neither of these parties were really built to support black people in this country. both of them have roots in white supremacy. that is the fundamental issue for them politically engaged with the system. whether they are faith and

confidence that politics can measurably shape their lives in meaningful ways, they don't have a lot of confidence. . greg, this is the question will ask you that a lot of people are asking around the kitchen table. it's kind of a common one. that being what we're not did, he dodged the question which is whether president biden should run for a second term. also criticizing him for closing a military training center there in georgia. was this an example of where not just trying not to play into our theme of tying him to joe biden and his policies? we heard the soundbite where walker says he has 96% of the time voted for him. you know what i'm just hearing you guys. tremaine, and i heard the greg bluestein signal just dropped out. can you answer that question. relating to? it >> could be the question. >> i will repeat the question. when it comes to the question of whether or not raphael warnock.

he tried to not time's up to the prospect of whether not joe biden should run for a second term. what are you hearing on that regard? he made the point that the president a close eye military base. it was a chinese under in georgia. it looks like he's really trying to walk a very tight line. not tie himself to joe biden's policies. . >> you know these young people were split. some said this was a savvy political move because they are concerned right now about what the senator from georgia can do to help georgians. but also, not wanting to alienate folks. they also spoke to how, with the republicans of all fall in line. it doesn't matter. everyone has the same talking points. where the situation on the left it is a bit more dynamic. you have to be more politically savvy. some said it was politics as usual but also a savvy move because. we are not anywhere near 2024 yet and we're about these midterm elections. >> thank you tremaine for answer that last question. i appreciate. it greg bluestein, i answered i

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january six committee really that the secret service knew that right-wing groups are planning violence in the capital. meanwhile, after the house committee unanimously voted to subpoena donald trump, the question remains whether he will ignore the subpoena or appear for what would be quite a dramatic deposition. nbc's monica alba's of the white house with the very latest. hi, monica.

>> hi there, alex. donald trump responded to the january six committee it's unanimous subpoena with a lengthy letter of baseless election claims. it didn't say whether he'd actually comply with the request. it is not the only open question for the former president now facing another legal twist in a separate investigation. it's up to a federal appeals court to decide if it should stop the work of an independent review are known as the special master. evaluating thousands of documents seized out president trump's mar-a-lago estate. the justice department filed a brief on friday arguing there is no legal basis for an outside review. the latest legal developments as lawmakers wait to see whether the former president might appear before the january six committee, which plans to subpoena him in the coming days. >> we are obligated to seek answers directly from the man who said this all in motion. mr. trump hasn't said whether he will either way. instead releasing a scathing 14-page statement friday, full

of falsehoods disproven claims of widespread election fraud. we preet repeating that he won certain states in 2020 that he clearly lost. and including photos of the crowd at the stop the steal rally that he had learned on january 6th. in the message to betty thompson he also defended the rioters ex great american patriots and called the january six committee a witch hunt. just hours after the never before seen video featuring congressional leaders will parties huddled to gather, pleading for the national guard to be deployed as the attack unfolded. >> we need them there now. whatever you've got. >> the new footage from he filmed by nancy pelosi's daughter alexandra, a documentary filmmaker. in another exchange. speaker pelosi reaches then vice president mike pence. expressing her concern for his well-being. >> i am worried about you being attacked by them. don't let anybody know where

you are. it is now it is so possible that the committee could subpoena former vice president. they haven't ruled that. out but there's not too much time left for the group to do its work. it can be just handed republicans take control of the house in the midterm elections. next up the committee will finish its final report and that is expected to be released at some point in december. alex? >> okay monica alba, thank you very much for that report. i want to bring in denver when dole min, former congressman from virginia for a more tactical advisor also for the january six committee. his new book is the breach. the untold story of the investigation into january 6th. also, joining us harry lippman former u.s. attorney and former law court to supreme court justices. creator in host of the talking heads podcast. gentlemen, glad to have you both here. congressman i'm gonna start with you. do you think that the committee connect the dots between donald trump and the threats to life and limb on january 6th? >> very effectively.

you are talking about 90 years but also, over a year the investigation with and specific teams. watching this at the end, you talk about the secret service text messages when you are talking about the video roger stone, when you're talking about the legal interviews that they had with cipollone, rosen, and other individuals. the december 19th treat. but also of his connections with the legal teams were trying to overthrow the election. i think is very difficult to say that the committee did not make a case. i'm actually pretty impressed with the hearings, how they did, it how they structured. it and actually how they showed the violence connected to president trump's actions. i thought they did a damn job. >> i think that anybody who watched all of these hearings will feel very much the same way and has set a new bar for the level to which congressional hearings must be held if they want to capture the attention of everybody. but continue with you, sir, i want to talk about the nearly 1 million earring emails, recordings,, text other records as well that congressman are adam schiff says the committee got from the secret service.

let's watch this. >> the fbi, who u.s. capitol police, metropolitan police, and other agencies all gathered in disseminated intelligence suggesting the possibility of violence at the capitol prior to the riot. the secret service advanced information within ten days we forehand regarding the proud boys planning for january six. groups like the oath keepers who are standing by at the ready. i invoking the insurrection act, the secret service deputy chief instructed agents to add certain objects to the list of items that would be prohibited at the rally say. including ballistic vests, tactical vest, armored or not and ballistic helmets. >> denver, your former air force intelligence officer, a former nsa adviser. what does this tell you? and of all these agencies knew,

why was of the capitol better prepared >> i think you had a massive breakdown in communications, logistics, and operations, and intelligence vote. i know one communications intelligence breaks down. it wasn't just the secret service in the fbi in the united states capitol police. i think you had a competence in some levels but i think you also had this administrative breakdown because i don't think people could actually believe that the capitol could be attacked. if i go all the way back to september 2020, i was fortunate enough to have data team since i was a sitting congressman and showing me that's why i came out of qanon so early. you had this individual and president trump who likes to intellectually spoon with felons. like mike flynn, roger, stone and all those individuals. you have all of these things happening in parallel with all of this violent language. you have all of this oh i just don't know how this communication intelligence breakdown could happen this way. you also have the g.a.o. they

were talking about this since 2017 there were a lot of issues. a lot of things the united states capitol police could do to improve their posture for security around the capitol. i think of a couple of administrations, political pointy's. a lot of people going through these breakdowns. i think the best report you could generate, which nancy pelosi dictated him to do, which is pretty simple case it's a scathing report about what needs to be done to protect the capital. it is going to bother me for sometime it's a person who is an intelligence who said this would happen, there's certainly enough evidence to say that there is massive breakdowns, but i want to say this quickly to your audience. there were no conspiracy theories. this was a breakdown of communications and intelligence that i just believe that intelligence professionals couldn't get their arms around that crowd this size could attack the capitol. >> yes, what you're saying make. since it was absolutely unthinkable before january 6th. here to you with the former trump administration security official miles taylor and what he said he concluded about donald trump's mindset on that

day. >> i believe donald trump wanted people to die. he wanted people to die, we wanted people to die who were elected officials in mass so that he could call it the military, so he could evoke the insurrection act, so he could prevent the peaceful transfer of power,. >> from a legal standpoint, harry, just miles taylor's theory holdup? does it make sense and can proved? >> no. it is consistent with the evidence, alex. and i just want to second with the congressman's house. we have this, i was sort of taking back to the very first hearing about it was going to be like. they started with this broad panorama of everything in the focus came down down down until it was really relentless on trump himself. the short answer to your question, is it doesn't have to be approved. we don't have to actually show he wanted people to die. but what we have to show is

what the department of justice would have to show and what i think the committee showed really concretely and with tons of evidence is that he wanted violence to occur. he knew it would occur, and that was really brought home strongly this week with the. you know he said i don't care left them through, once the violence began he didn't stop them. very clearly. done and then he gave aid and comfort. he was really solicitous of them as he was just a few days ago, as you, mentioned calling them great american patriots. so that relationship, his relationship to the violence is what we need to be shown for the more serious charges that apartment would consider. whether he wanted people actually to digest services and, 's it's the most sort of unsettling supposition. could be. but more than any prosecutor would need to convict.

jim >> you know it has been extraordinary watching these hearings. it's like everybody on the dais. like they're all attorneys and they are in a court of law. they are presenting their theory and then all of the evidence they need to substantiated irrefutable. it is really hard when the evidence they have put forth, it's hard to say that didn't happen, you have the evidence. anyway, congressman back to you. trump is responding to the committee's extraordinary would vote to subpoena him. doubling down on these false claims of election fraud. do you think it is the right move? why did this comes folate for the committee? >> well you know i have gone back and forth on this. i do think the data is hot as we strike. there's should've been a subpoena, on the other hand the evidence certainly points to the fact that, i would like to hear from president trump myself. i don't think he would ever show. i think it's sort of ridiculous that he would actually show up. i just think some of that 14-page letter you saw, which

is again part of his program of relentless radicalization. a letter that could've been written by rudy giuliani, jimmy, thomas phil waldron, in qanon adherence themselves. i think that really what he is trying to do just try to get oxygen back into where he is back in the media. i think that is what the subpoena might have done. i think if you look at polling, fundraising, i think you're gonna see a slight uptick in these gop congressional districts because of that. that's because of the far-right maga sphere. the far-right sort of bag look -ization patterns that you see on their communications. so my fear is always, we have to do the right thing when it happens and that is fantastic. but i do believe that this close in the midterms they are gonna try to turn that around and show. or try to use this bizarre witch hunt. which could work for a vast portion of gop. if you remember i think the latest polls out, 60% still want trump to run. that is a worry to. me i've always been the guy to

say, you have to strike with the data is hot. i think they should've struck. then i think the subpoena, even though it is definitely going to create news, i think there's absolutely no way that president trump chose a. but i will tell you one, thing i have one caveat. if there is a massive turnover of seats in the midterms, i would love to hear harry's opinion on this. i wonder if you come out then. that would be interesting. the gop really takes a lot of seats when they take back the senate, would trump then tragic grandstand. i'm not quite sure. but that is something i'd worry about >> harriet have you answer that question because i'm curious. but denver, if you had donald trump before you in a deposition, what is the one question you'd want to ask him? >> the one question. >> one question that comes to mind that's kind of burning for you? >> are you actually a -- and do you believe in the precepts of that. that right there i think chouteau how these type of radical conspiracy theories of

let it all the way to the top. we saw that in text messages from ramos. that is really do you believe your own p.s.. and i would say he doesn't but he would probably have to say yes. i know a lot of people would want to ask a lot of things but when you look at the massive radicalization that day on january 6th, the, damaged violence, the death. that is what i would want to know. >> it has been a question i've asked something of mary trump, of course psychiatrist or psychologist rather who is a sneeze. she is at the various different extremely interesting answers to those kinds of questions. last word to, you harry. if you would respond to what denver was wondering, your musings on that? >> a few points to denver's very good observations. first, yeah. if there is a turnover it's will have great consequences. most particularly i would say for the point you raised at the top, the secret service. they now know, remember they came out after. secret service and fbi and said? we don't know what was happening and this committee,

this hearing made it clear that that was false. so what exactly happened? there's a strong hypothesis i think that it's a massive breakdown that but we should get to the bottom. of and we won't if there is an election. what would i ask trump? single question getting at his psyche is really a fools errand. , what you would want to do is the 200 questions that little by little by little even completely shredded in all of his stories and make any reasonable observer know that a, he's lying when he reported to say that he didn't know these things would happen, and be, it is in fact what he intended to do. that's what a prosecutor would do if they had him in his grip. which has a point final point to second with denver says, will never happen.

the eye in that 14-page screen, by the way, we are used to saying oh trump trump. to me that was yet an extra stop. that seem deeply unhinged and rattles to me whatever effects it might have on the maga crowd. >> guys, i've loved this conversation. i want to thank you both so much. harry, i know you're gonna stay with us but former calm grossman denver riggleman, you're welcome anytime. thank you for joining us today. coming up, next something much near the end of an exclusive wall street journal report there could be a potential bombshell of the mar-a-lago investigation. it is not just about additional documents. i'm going to speak with the reporter breaking that story, next. next next ecan get it on us at t-mobile. apple business essentials with apple care+ is included so you can easily manage your team's devices, here, and here. all on the network with more 5g coverage. it's the ultimate business trifecta, with the new iphone 14 pro on us.

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if you're loud, be louder. if you stand out, stand strong. and if you got the devil on your shoulder... take him for a ride. breaking news for any wall street journal on a witness their mar-a-lago restoration. the journal reports that according to people familiar with the matter, the justice department is interested in testimony from two aides to donald trump. one who might be able to

provide information on whether missing government arguments were transported to a trump property other than mar-a-lago. that witness will russell, served in the trump white house including as according to presidential travel, and went on to work for the former president in florida after he left office. the journal reports federal officials have expressed concern about whether trump took documents on flights you traveled from mar-a-lago to his other properties in new york in new jersey. according to a person familiar with the matter, mr. trump declined to comment on the matter. the new york times previously named the other witness, watch nowata, the navy veteran. sources say he told sources he moved documents at mar-a-lago before the federal search the property. surveillance video showed him doing that. they have not responded to nbc's news's request for comments. the wall street journal said a

spokesman for trump to try to comment on the issue, and criticize the mar-a-lago search isn't warranted. a justice department spokesperson also declined to comment. but the reporter behind that story, sadie gurman, joins us. now sadie covers the justice department for the wall street journal. also, harry lippman. again house or the talking heads podcast. humans with us. welcome again. hello, sadie who are these two witnesses and what gaps could their testimony fill in on this investigation? you're reporting raises questions about whether documents could've removed. what details about that? >> these two are people who worked in the white house when trump was president and i went with him to mar-a-lago and work there around the time that this justice department investigation was heating up. we know that these two provided at least some information to the fbi that mr. natasha has spoken with investigators

directly and that mr. russell has spoken to them through his attorney. they are fully cooperate with the unification but it is of interest that they were contacted by the fbi earlier during the summer when the justice department was beginning to try to retreat some of these thousands of sensitive documents and after, as well as in recent weeks, so what this goes to show that the justice department's inquiries are still getting. up there's a lot of unanswered questions including about whether more documents remain on the promises or elsewhere. >> so the washington post also reports that what she wanted was not forthcoming with this information. the first time he testified to the doj, until the videotape indicated otherwise. how important is their complete cooperation, ct? >> i think that they in other people most certainly hold some clues that we have the justice

department better understand whether the former president directed his staff to obstruct their investigation after trying to retrieve these documents. but there are certainly countless other people who could also provide information. we know from court documents that the justice department has more than 1000 witnesses. whose names have been redacted from court documents because of concerns about their safety and about the integrity of the investigation. so we know that these two are critical figures but they're probably not the only to you. and certainly not the only see that the justice department has been talking to as it investigates how these documents weaved about mar-a-lago. >> and in fact we previously reported that did you know jay has headed overall materials are moved. it saves reporting showing that investigators are looking into whether or not the documents goodwin transported to trump's other properties. tell me why that would be significant in the doj's

investigation. >> first i just want to say, sadie's reporting here is really excellent have many things to say. what significant is though it's the same significance as is having. and then resisted giving back any other documents there are significant from the national security and for his criminal culpability. i want to zero and on the nature of the proof. it is considered a pretty important witness vanity oj. he seems to me to have been one of the people who supplied the proof that they got the original search warrant for. that piers under law has to be concrete in fresh. and so wrestle says money is important but it is pretty clear but they don't right now have the goods on concrete fresh proof to go in to any of his several properties we able to say, oh it's going to be here. and that is the kind of sort of circling motion they are doing.

now with pomp. i think they are going to new match or a fair bit. for now they are worried about getting their hands on the documents. one other point, that interesting detail that say the supplies, they are not cooperating fully. i think there is quite a lot of sort of mistrust and sniping in the trump camp in and people are pained to a, figure out who are the, rats and be not to be them. and of course they are cooperating fully in the sense that they're answering questions, but they don't want to appear to be the route to the mob boss that trump is. so i think that they actually are at their behest, that is added. we are not cooperating fully, we're just answering questions are answered through a lawyers. that is part of the continuing dance. and you know specifically it went down to who did live flat out when he was asked. but when they showed in the videotape, which by the way

came after that subpoena. so it really goes to the cover up. and then he said, all right. you have got me, and he best up and gave the answers to questions. >> i want to run by with you, say, the what happened yesterday in which the department offices acid peel score two and the special master view of the documents seized at mar-a-lago. what does the doj argue? >> the justice department has made several attempts to have different courts cancel this review. basically they are seeing that putting all of these documents in the special master's hands is slowing down their very important investigation, complicating national security, and making a very difficult for them to proceed in a timely fashion. this is not the first time that they have asked the court to end the review, but this is just another iteration of those reviews the justice partners making. this is foreign seems to be winning many of its core bottles which is leaving the

trump team with if you have your options to appeal. >> cindy garman, harry let, man thank you so much. it is extraordinary reporting. thank you so much. coming up next, a disturbing allegation about the opec plus's decision to cut oil production and the nagging question about what kind of allied saudi arabia really as to the u.s.. rabia really a to the u.s..

there is increasing for this weekend over opec's decision to cut oil production. national security spokesman john kirby says more than one opec member felt coerced into the vote by saudi arabia. this comes after saudi arabia's ministry of foreign affairs media rear statement defending the decision and claiming that the biden administration asked it to delay it by a month. joining me now, washington congressman adam smith, chairman of the house armed

services committee. welcome back. good to see. you saudi arabia has maintained its decision was not politically motivated. they claim that it was made for economic reasons. is that how you see it? >> it is important impossible to know. certainly with the economic arguments it is, they make their decisions based on economics. their concern about falling oil prices. at the same time, and i have explained this. the timing of it means that it is hard to believe. we impact on the war in ukraine and how this aids russia and what they're trying to do in the potential impact in the u.s. elections. whatever the decision, i don't see why they couldn't have had we judge or had a broader discussion. plenty of stories like the one you just mentioned about other opec states who did not want to do this. the other proposed a posted or felt pressured into doing it by saudi arabia. if those states were okay with not doing it at this point,

that it is hard to believe that this is simply a straightforward economic decision. and that creates a huge challenge in our relationship with saudi arabia without any question. >> that it all together to bring to present patented which is to say the saudis are gonna face consequences. some democratic colleagues introduced a bill this week that suspense all u.s. ourselves to saudi arabia for a year. what are your thoughts on that and if not that, do you think there should be consequences for the saudi move? if so, what? -- it's a complicated relationship. i don't know what consequences. their sentencing in any relationship, if the other party does something you don't like, to sort of strike back. hard to figure out where the vulnerable and how can we get back. we think we need to be more thoughtful about that. we need to do what is in our best interest. what complicates all of this, what has been widely reported is, long before this particular decision, a complicated relationship with saudi arabia

based on the rise of china and russia and their influence in the world. we want countries in the world to side with us. on economic decisions, certainly when it comes to things like the ukrainian, war we are costly in that fight going forward. are we willing to say at this point we're just gonna push saudi arabia over there and if they want to buy russian weapons, if they want to rely on russia and china, we are going to be okay with that. and if we, are that is one thing to think about. but that is part of what we have to balance as we figure out how to get saudi arabia to make decisions and strengthen our partnership instead of just decisions that like the one they just made that undermine it. and in this case in particular, help russia at a time when russia is engaging in the most brutal such of war crimes we have seen since the end of world war ii. so that is all of what we have to balance as we try to figure out where to go forward with our relationship with saudi

arabia. >> and in fact, vladimir putin now says that there is no longer a need for the widespread attacks like what happened this week. putin is always saying that the recent mobilization of the army reservists, that should be completed within two weeks. so big picture, how do you interpret of? this >> will i interpreted as putin was under an enormous amount of pressure to do something. there was never a need to -- specific civilian infrastructure. i agree with milley who something this is the most obvious war crime we have seen in some time. intentionally targeting civilians in the way that russia adjusted is unquestionably a war crime. there's no military benefit to you at. as far as the military impact, where russia, that i would still say ukraine is in a stronger position now as they have retaken territory. they are well positioned to take more territory. the russian military is

exhausted. their morale is down, and their capability has clearly been low. they are fighting a long way from home against a foe that is determined to protect their country. i think russia is still in serious trouble on this. it is all the more crucial that the alliance, that president biden did so much to pull together to support ukraine, stands tough. continues to support ukraine and make sure that russia cannot be successful. >> i had a few more questions i want to ask, you which means you have to come back because the situations are unending. but i have one more before i let you go and that is your thoughts on the bipartisan january six committee unanimously voting to subpoena donald trump. do you agree with that move? do you want to hear directly from him under oath, and here's the big, question which you bet it ever? happens >> let's start with the most important one. absolutely, the january six committee had to do. this if you are doing an investigation to get to an accurate picture of what

happened on january six of what caused, it january six is in the middle of. that the commission's done an outstanding job of making clear. yes they absolutely should hear from him. i think it is the exact right move. you really want to have an investigation that is going to get to the bottom of. this with all the information no i don't think donald trump ever show up and testify. how exactly that plays out i believe to the lawyers that you had on before. no they know more details than i do but i don't think any of us can imagine trump obeying this and showing. >> yeah, which is actually kind of. sad from a former president. with that being, said i think you had an smith. good to see my. friend >> former president obama has been on the sidelines during this campaign season but now he's preparing to hit the jail that could play a huge factor in that key state. that is. that is. next clumping litter. salmon paté? we have enough to splurge on catnip toys! i feel so accomplished.

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just know how to use it in the campaign trail to boost democratic candidates in georgia, michigan, and wisconsin. meanwhile the tire race for tony everest faced off with this republican challenger tim michaels for the first and only time on the debate stays. joining me to break down all the biggest moments is nbc shaquille brewster from let's say a nominee of false wisconsin. i think it's gonna. right shaq, welcome which race appears to be joined by our interest? because nationally, that senate race seems to be more critical, right? . according to national democrats and some of those political figures they are paying more attention to the senate race because democrats see this day as a key pick up opportunity that could help them secure their majority in the senate. but that is not to discount what you are seeing at the given a trial level your wisconsin. that is part of the reason why we saw that debate last night between tony evers and tim michaels where they discussed some pretty significant things that impact the entire nation.

for example,. elections him michaels clarifying his previous a position saying that he would certify future elections as governor. but he said he would do that because he would support some of the voting rights restrictions that were passed by the republican legislature in this state. you also talk about abortion where abortion has been severely restricted in the state of wisconsin. clear differences between those two candidates on the debate stage. what you saw from tim michael, as one of his top ads on the issue 20 versus on the issue of crime. i want you to listen into some of the issues on that last night. >> i'm going to talk to the bad guys, if you. will on election night i'm a victory speech. and i will talk to my inaugural speech. i will of them know that there is a new sheriff in town and they are beholden right now but they're gonna understand if they are not willing to do the time, they shouldn't do the crime. it isn't just about talking to have, believe me. it is about providing the resources so that those police

officers can do the training that needs to happen. >> alex this governor's races the tight just in the country. when you look at the average polls the two candidates are tied. >> that is tight. okay, thank you for keeping us up to date on all of that. appreciate from wisconsin. meantime week it could be the biggest part of the election campaign. by now you probably know what happened. it's what happened after that you may have missed. hint, it involves that badge. that is ahead. and one big mystery remains after this hearing. it is weather, not rather whether there be more hearings. we will tell you what it is in here in minutes. s in here in minutes. here in minutes. when it was time to sign up for a medicare plan mom couldn't decide.

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