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you welcome to alex witt reports. developing this, new details of it is the government documents seized at mar-a-lago. according to new exclusive report of the wall street journal, to people in trump's inner circle are talking to the fbi about moving government documents in and out of mar-a-lago. abc news has reached out all parties were comments. we haven't heard back. another big development. the justice department annexed the federal appeals court to throw out the lawsuit

challenging the seizure of the documents. they also asked to vacate the appointment of special master in the case. shut down in the georgia senate race could determine control the senate. democratic senator raphael warnock and republican candidate herschel walker coming several issues including the abortion scandal surrounding walker's campaign. >> georgia is a state that respects life, and i'll be the senator that protects life. and i saw that was a lie and i'm not putting to him. we have senator warnock, people that would do anything and say anything for -- but i'm not going to back down. because this is two going to the georgia people. women in charge of a clear choice. as we are watching women die, do you want to senator who wants to control your life or do you want to senator who wants to save your life? >> who won the debate and what impact could it have on the race? our panel will break it all down. and new reaction from president barack obama as the war in ukraine intensifies.

the former president expressing his concerns as russia because increasingly isolated from the rest of the world. >> the thing that i'm most concerned about is that lines of communication between the white house and the kremlin are probably as weak as they have been in the very long time. in some of the lowest points of the cold war, there was still a sense of being able to pick up a phone and work through diplomatic channels. >> we're going to get reaction from president obama's former national security advisor later this hour. we begin with exclusive new reporting from nbc news. the january six committee is looking to make get records from the secret service of all communications between some nations and members of the oath keepers group, on around

january six. this coming on the heels of the panels extraordinary decision to subpoena donald trump to testify about his role and the insurrection. nbc's aly rafael has more from capitol hill for us. ali, welcome. first on that exclusive reporting, what can you tell us? >> yeah, alex. one revelation that came into thursday's hearing that's really raise more questions than provided answers is about the secret service. how much information the agency had and didn't initially sure until it was subpoenaed about these warnings of violence well before the january 6th attack on the capitol. since that hearing on thursday we have learned about at least one secrecy service agent in the protective detail of the agency who was in communication with members of the far-right group. the oath keepers months before the attack. now nbc news as exclusively learning that the january six committee is asking the secret service for any and all communication between agents and the oath keepers before and on january six. this is all coming after the

agency told the committee that one agent had quote, numerous contacts with the oath keepers, leaders, stewart rhodes, and other members as early as september of 2020. of course you talked about this on your show and this network as a whole. roads and other members of the oath keepers now on trial for seditious conspiracy trial charges. the secret service in light of this is sort of downplaying this action saying that this communication was regular between the agency and these groups. the agency telling the scripts what they couldn't bring into events like trump rallies where they couldn't couldn't stand. but this is something that is concerning members of the january six committee. they regularity and the frequency of these phone calls and text communications. take a listen to what committee member congress women so lawford had to say about this. >> let me just say i have a lot of questions about all of it. about coordination among witnesses, the advice that they

may have been receiving from some attorneys, about the veracity. i just think that there is more questions than answers at this point. >> all of this, of, course coming as the committee prepares to finally issue the subpoena that they unanimously voted in favor of issuing to the former president. trump of course yesterday issuing this 14-page letter drastic unity chairman bennie thompson where he slams the committee's work. again, claims the election was rigged. but notably alex, doesn't say whether he would or would not comply with essential subpoena. >> yeah, that is kind of notable. thank you ali raphael, for. that joining me now, charles coleman. former brooklyn york prosecutor and legal analyst. also if you don't know, congressional reporter for the guardian. two regulars on the broadcast. good to see. guys both of you. he go you first heard in a rambling letter, that's one way to put it, donald trump

responded to the january six committee's unanimous committee to subpoena. him but he didn't say that he if he was going to reply or or comply. is there any reason to think that the more present will testify? >> i think part of the reason why he didn't address it is because he is not sure what is next steps are going to be and certainly. his lawyers are not sure what is next steps are gonna. b i think that everything you have to remember trump is that he thinks he is as best own spokesperson. he has kind of reflects a belief that if you were to go before investigators, he would be able to cheer his name much of the entire mastication with the wind chime and of course that would -- any legal advice i would expect a team to give him. so there is i kind of push and pull between these different forces we had trump. certainly there are some more members of the team have been more aggressive. but trump and self has realized a recent weeks the pitfalls of testifying to an ongoing no investigation like he did with the new york state attorney when he invoked his fifth

amendment right for under 40 times. part of the issue is he doesn't know yet, but i think there is an element that he wants to go because that is just kind of personally. is >> that exactly what i was thinking when he bought the new york 20 general vaccination in all the bleeding bit. i mean, that is all he gave it other than his name in a particular deposition. so, charles, the subpoena comes late in the game. what do you think the committee could be looking to uncover by subpoenaing donald trump right now? and how contest has to monee have the doj's investigation? >> well, alex, i think the answer to that question is simply allow the committee to tie up everything, all the, witnesses all the testimony, and all the evidence they've collected thus far. donald trump is a missing piece. he's the one who can confirm or refute anything that they have already learned. if you look at for example -- he could either refute that or he could give information that might get an egyptian perspective. it is very unlikely that we

will see donald trump testify. he's more than likely gonna testify that subpoena resisting and try not to. there are other things i want to point out, alex. i was actually surprised that we have not seen subpoenas. we haven't seen mark meadows subpoenas, and we also haven't seen -- . i think if we are going this far as to subpoena donald trump to testify for the committee, that those are two critical witnesses that it would've been nice to see. >> yeah, point well taken. there let's move on to the documents case which wall street journal as you've seen people similar at the keys saying that the justice department is interested in testimony from another aide from donald trump that my bill to provide information whether not missing government were transported to a trump other than mar-a-lago. according to the wall street journal sources, that winners will russell, served in the trump white house including is acquainted presidential travel. then went on to work for the

president in florida as he left office. the journal says he is not formally cooperating with the investigation. trump, nevada, russell, they've not responded to nbc's news's request for comment. the wall street journal says that a post person for trump declined to comment on the interest. not in russia, criticize the mar-a-lago search has been unwarranted. a doj sports person also declined to comment. but it all together, he, go what questions does is reporting a three? you >> it is really interesting because will russell's lawyer has said that his client had not been interviewed by the justice department so it is not clear if there is a technical distinction here between being interviewed or speaking to investigators, i guess. but look, it shows one of the central questions that the justice department has here which is, what are these documents taking from mar-a-lago take and other companies. what they're trying to do here is trying to establish credible

clause. there may be other documents and other locations. they need to go and retrieve and this has been one of the questions from the start. if you go back to junior three when the trump lawyers were seen in a bin corcoran represented to the justice department that they had conducted a search of mar-a-lago and that these are the documents responsive. there's a line in that certification says that we did a search of boxes that were removed from the white house to mar-a-lago. there's a very specific line and i think that it >> -- . >> what about the new york times and the washington post which are now reporting that name of the other witness being walt nowata. he's a navy veteran, former white house valet. he told fbi agents that he moved boxes. this upon donald trump's direction. moved boxes at mar-a-lago before agents searched the property. and in fact surveillance video showed him doing just that. so how damaging could this be to the trump team's claims of

compliance with the doj? >> i think it can be extremely damaging. donald trump is someone who right now is playing wheel of fortune with this investigation. he is being investigated a number of sides. however, is important understand that this investigation and what we are seeing going on with the investigative reporting that is coming out is most likely the most direct line that we have seen thus far between donald trump and clear commission of requirement. i'm talking about obstruction of justice. the clear here the key here if we're not beaten to it is the timing. because of the subpoena for the records, and donald trump has given people instructions to move the boxes around with a subject of criminal destination, and a subpoena after the subpoena was dropped for the purpose of trying to obey the subpoena is a clear line to obstruction of justice. so despite everything else that he has the board, what we have learned here regarding the timeline is a very clear

indication in a straight line to donald trump have clearly broken the law. >> okay, charles kogan, he got logo. always a pleasure to talk to. you thank you so much, guys. because many of you perhaps could not watch thursday's hearing because you might open at work. we are going to re-air today at 6:00 eastern here on msnbc. key takeaways from last night's debate in the georgia senate race. the big roll that got broken and then what happened afterwards that you might have missed. afterwards that you might have missed missed we'll help you create a clear, personalized plan for cash flow, even when you're not working. a plan that includes all your accounts so you can enjoy whatever comes next. that's the planning effect. from fidelity. it's the subway series menu. 12 irresistible subs. the most epic sandwich roster ever created. ♪♪ it's subway's biggest refresh yet!

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midterm election, democratic senator raphael warnock, and christa warnock or clashed last night, is the only debate scheduled in the georgia race that can determine control of the senate. as it happened, as walker's campaign as myron scandal, hear some of the unique moments >> did president biden defeat president donald trump in 2020? >> president biden won, and

senator warnock won. >> the former girlfriend made public accusations saying she paid for the abortion to encourage her to have another. >> that is a lie, on abortion, i'm christian, i believe in life. i tell people, this georgia is a state that respects life, and i am a senator that protects life. i serve as a lie, i'm not backing down. >> georgia deserves a senator that will stand with them, i trust women more than i trust politicians. one thing i have not done, i never pretended to be a police officer. and i never threatened a shoot out with the police. >> i am what many put in this office, but at the same time -- >> mr. walker, mr. walker, you are very well aware of the rules tonight. you have a prop. that is not allowed, sir. >> joining me now is a lengthy a johnson, political strategist, and founder of ten 63 west

broad, and tim miller the former communication director for tim bush. and now at -- an msnbc political analyst. good to have you both here. valencia, what is your biggest take away from the dividend? does it do you think of change the dynamic of the race at all? >> i think honestly it has, there were some viral moments that you all just displayed, but some of the key takeaways were the conversation that herschel walker -- the real reasons that [inaudible] the fact that a lot of underfunded for these programs that would actually help georgia. he did not articulate a position that would help georgian voters. i think you saw warnock get the upper hand, uplift those moments. and stay true to his position on the operating room,

[inaudible] with his life and his path. >> tim, ahead of that debate, the latest poll from -- sure senator warnock leading walker 52 to 45%, that margin nearly identical from last month before the scandal surrounding walker emerged. so in terms of closing the gap, as last night's debate do anything at all for walker? >> yeah, i think the race is closer than that, if you look at the averages, and the same poll has brian kemp leaving versus stacey ingraham's, it's hard to believe there is a 10% gap between her and -- i think there are kept warnock there are that many cross over voters, hard to imagine, i think it's a close race, i think senator warnock did a great job last night to appeal to this broad middle in

georgia. the type of voter that maybe voted for mitt romney in 2012, but then voted for joe biden. those with the swing voters that put biden over the top in the suburbs, i think warnock really try to offer a broad appeal while pushing walker out towards the extreme. today, some of the political commentary, and talked about how walker exceeding expectations, i think that is the stupidest thing, expectations, management, debate is stupid you watch the clip last night, this does not seem like a person that is prepared to be the united states senator. very clean to your average consuming voter in georgia. warnock has to keep appealing to those folks, hope he could win it enough crossover voters to pull out ahead. >> alencia johnson what, are your thoughts on that, do you disagree or no? >> i absolutely agree you are talking expectations, they are completely on the floor for walker it's true, i think georgians have seen the

difference in the candidates they see, they have seen enough to make a decision, as what you are gonna see with the campaigns, particularly the warnock campaigns, they will touch every single voters from georgia metropolitan georgia, older younger. try to get that the listen if this race goes into a runoff you will see the warnock campaign continuing to make the case for the progress that has been made and they send me back to washington, hope we have a majority of the senate so we can get even more down for georgia. >> to the point that alencia johnson made about the viral moments, but the herschel walker was reprimanded from what he appeared to be flashing a police badge, here is what people might have missed afterwards, walker defending his actions, let's take a listen >> i carry with me that all the time. >> can we see it? >> they say do whatever you want to try to win the seat when i mention the fbi, people

joke, i have trained with the fbi. >> this was johnson county, herschel walker. >> i have many of those. >> the accusation is you try to pass yourself off as a law enforcement officer when you are not? >> that is not true. i said i work with law enforcement, which i have. >> he did just say, tim, that he has many badges, which is just fascinating. i wonder how the police community a large things about that. as debate stands go, you can argue this would hurt more than helped. could you imagine walker was behind it? >> it's kind of like you with the key to the city, you know? an honorary key to the city, you don't actually get a key to the mayor's office. >> good point. >> i thought walker, look, we talk a low bar, he seemed well coached to me last night he had a very specific message she was trying to get across warnock and how often he voted with joe

biden, i don't understand what happened in that moment, i can't imagine the professionals that came from d.c. told him the right thing to do is to bring out his fake police badge. that seem to me like the person that is stubborn on this point. carnage pretending that he is a policeman. he decided to do that on his own. i don't have any insight until on that, it seem like it was a well coached person in a debate last night who had a moment, a couple of moments, but that one in particular where he went rogue, he looks ridiculous as a result. >> give me a sense of how high the stakes are for alencia, -- >> oh, that is absolutely critical, especially because with the very slim 50 plus one majority, we still can't pass key pieces of legislation including voting rights. which is what a lot of georgia voters actually want not only do we have to maintain the seats in the senate, we have to send to more to the senate to make for -- make up for --

who don't want to get a line with democratic parties. this is an extremely important seat for us to keep, as well as broadly, beyond this year, we want to make sure that democrats are maintaining the gains that we have made in georgia. that is why folks are campaigning for stacey abrams, and build the infrastructure so that georgia for the planning for this election and years to come. >> let me head west, tim, with his new development, the far-right colorado congressman, boebert's republican primary challengers endorsing her democratic challengers, we have this new state then answer don quorum says boebert -- and said that she continues to lie to voters, claims credit for things she has absolutely nothing to do with. what do you make of this, tim? what do you think the chances are that lauren boebert loses? >> listen, i think it's a long shot. it's my home state of colorado, i was out there, i met with

adam frasch, who is running a great campaign, he is an independent democrat, he is focusing on bringing republicans in. the republican district. this is not like marjorie joe greene's district, that is so far where there is no hope for a democrat. it is an r plus seven or 8% district, you have to win over about 10% of the republicans. adam forest could win that race. i think he can. i am hopeful that my other colorado republican colleagues and former republicans will speak out to try to help out and frisk in the last month. lauren boebert is a reactionary, she is an insurrectionist, she was tweeting on 16 about the location of nancy pelosi, we don't know why she did that, people have their suspicions though. i think that adam frasch has a means spirit independent democrat, it's a long shot, but it's a winnable long shot, unlike maybe some of these other races. >> three and a half weeks ago, we shall see, alencia johnson and similar.

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they say justice as quickly as it disappeared, the wheel went out of sight. that fishermen, for their part, kept on fishing. they did a lot of screaming, understandably so. more on the government documents, a new exclusive reporting from the wall street journal saying to people if donald trump's inner circle are talking to the fbi about moving government files in and out of mar-a-lago. and d.c. news reached out to all parties for comment, we have not yet heard back from donald trump. this report is that the arab employee for the fbi that trump himself ordered staff to move documents at mar-a-lago after the government asked for the return documents. joining me now, finn rose, former deputy national survivor -- and now a messy msnbc political contributor. always good to see you, ben. curious how you interpret these reports. give us a report of how white house documents may have landed. >> well, we have no idea. we have had several properties,

we forgot the reports of these things moving around. i think what is so striking and notable, alex, is that kind of the best version of this would have been if a bunch of stuff was moved out, they just did not know where it was, they ask for it back. it's clear from each reporting that came out, they knew full well that they had classified documents. they had classified documents that the government wanted. back even in those circumstances, trump is still moving these documents around. i think what haunts me is a national security official is the, in addition to all of the recovery documents, we know there were folders and folders with markings of top secret and secret that were empty. the question is, are there other documents that were removed? others told things that are out there out of the position -- possession of the u.s. government? where they should not, be they are vulnerable to be compromised, they could be penetrated or sought after or, who knows what donald trump is doing. we still don't have the basic question answered, which is why did he want these documents in

his possession? >> give me a sense, then, what sense -- what set off alarm bells for you when you consider the international nature of america's secrets. trump's self-declared relationship, certain world leaders who are not considered allies of the u.s.. >> number one, these are intelligent reports. we know that from the nature of the documents. that means they were chalked full of secrets. it's not what a memo with one piece of information in it, it's likely or a port that has lots of references to sources of the u.s. collection. it would be an interest to a lot of governments. the second thing that concerns me is, all of the trump properties, mar-a-lago, bedminster these are not facilities that should be housing these documents, these have likely been among the highest targeted places in the world. the number of intelligence agencies for a world. don't tell me russians, chinese, and others have had people trying to get into mar-a-lago. does not seem hard to get into mar-a-lago for some of these parties. the third and most nefarious

thing, as you mentioned, alex, look, we know trump has relationships with autocrats around the world. with unsavory characters, refers, precisely the kind of people that would have a lot of interest in this information. and monetizing this information. they are doing something to gain leverage with this information. that is the piece we don't know. who is he sharing this information with? it is something he wants to take out by himself? i don't know, he's not really a deep reader i don't get the sense that he wants to be sentimental i'm nostalgic about reading detailed intelligence reports. it seems like he wants these documents for a purpose. that's what we need to get to the bottom of. >> switching gears a bit, former president obama who is making headlines today for remarks on russia's war in ukraine. let's take a listen to this. >> probably the thing i am most concerned about is that winds of communication between the white house and the kremlin are

probably as weak as they have been in a very long time. i don't think it's the fault of our administration, i think that we are now dealing with a type of russian regime that is actually even more centralized. even more isolated and closed off. >> what is the objective here, man? why is he saying? this does he have some insight into what is going on inside the white house? do you have any insight of whether he agrees with biden's policy on ukraine and russia? >> i think he has been very supportive of the policy, i think he is speaking to a concert, you saw him go out of this way and say this is the public administration are think we see those on the outside, a couple of us -- number one, vladimir putin is far more assimilated and cut off from the world than any other pro moments in his 20 years at the top of the pyramid

in russia. you don't get the sense that there is a circle around that has information, this is a man in high castle situation. we have seen him come down occasionally. for the former soviet union. he is isolated. the other thing is, clearly, the lines of a communication between at the white house and the kremlin have suffered greatly since the beginning of this war. this is not because you want to be necessarily engaging in diplomacy about the war, we would not want to do that leaving the ukrainians out. i think the issue is, we want to be delivering messages as the white house has been, i am sure, issue warnings about the consequences of potential nuclear strikes that has threatened. you want to have that hotline to be able to communicate and message back and forth. that was not the case throughout the cold war, i'm sure there are channels of communication, i'm sure what obama is speaking to is when the rhetoric is this high, things like nuclear war, let's make sure that we have a capacity to get messages back and forth, so that there is not

miscalculation. >> good point there. let's talk about saudi arabia as the u.s. already found itself in a war of words with the country. this after opec voted to cut the global oil supply by 2 million million barrels a day. the saudis went public, ben, when the white house requested a delay until the next opec meeting in november. how unusual is it, first of all, for the saudis to go public with this? did you interpret it as any sense of -- against the president biden administration or president biden itself? >> i think so, you see a lot of reason rhetoric from saudi arabia overly existing -- resisting u.s. pressure. what's interesting about this is it is not just the case of the u.s. saying -- it's also the case that it connects to what russia is doing. it is in the war in ukraine. cutting production is going to bring additional revenue to the russian war machine at exactly the time you don't want that to

happen. it's effectively saudi arabia siding with russia through its actions in this war. in addition to harming america. the biden administration has been appropriately calling meta behavior out. at the same time, the saudis i really got there back up here, i think they indicated they will not be pushed around, what illustrate is the u.s. and saudi arabia increasingly, we know we don't share values with the country ruled by a man who ordered a washington post journalist to be chopped up. i think it's also clear that we increasingly don't your interest to saudi arabia, that will lead to a pretty significant realignment of this relationship with the u.s. is producing it. >> if this was something that was done with a political undercurrent, then, to the biden administration, do you think it was done the same way with the trump administration? >> no, we are talking about someone who was so close to jared kushner that he helped seat a two billion dollar investment firm, jerry

questioner. not necessarily the guy i would give control over my mutual fund to. i think it has been clear over the last few years was subtle american politics that they are on. it's not joe biden's. >> okay, van rhodes, glad you are on the other side, glad to have you on the show, thank you. they suffered a horrific tragedy, and then people came out of nowhere to harass them, call them liars, caused the more pain. after years of anguish, the sandy hook families finally got justice this week, this father, rob parker, joins me next. , joins me next. , joins me next. have diabetes? know where your glucose is? with the freestyle libre 3 system, know your glucose and where it's heading. no fingersticks needed. now the world's smallest, thinnest sensor sends your glucose levels directly to your smartphone. manage your diabetes with more confidence and lower your a1c now you know freestyle libre 3. try it for free at freestylelibre.us. the chef's chicken sandwiches at panera,

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collect on that massive 965 million dollar judgment against the conspiracy theorist. here is nbc's emily abet is on the court's decision. >> have you agreed upon a verdict? >> yes, yes. >> an outpouring of emotion as the verdict was read. a connecticut jury ordering right wing conspiracy theorist alex jones to pay nearly one billion dollars to families of eight sandy hook victims and an fbi first responder. eric alaa ferdy is the daughter of sandy hook's principle. >> the truth matters, those who profit off of other peoples pain and trauma will pay for what they have done. >> joining me right now is robbie parker, whose daughter, six-year-old emily was murdered in sandy hook robbie, as i enter you with a heart called hard, if i could, i saw you weeping at the decision was read. i suspect those tears were jumble of emotions for beliefs,

to the pain after overwhelming loss. being resurrected yet again. how about now? how are you feeling? >> it's even hard to explain how i am doing now. i'm trying to get back into the normal swing of life. everything that we have been through in the last month of this trial, not even explaining the last four years of litigation, and ten years of what we have been through, still comes back to me, and it still can be overwhelming at times. honestly, i am happy to be back home, be with my wife, be with my girls. >> we will get to home, that sense of normalcy of your, life but getting the money from alex jones, that will be difficult, it's not the 965 million that he was ordered to pay, which is an unbelievable some, it's also the other 15 million awarded a mistrial. and another job coming up this year. ad altogether, it as up to over one billion dollars that he owes. a forensic economist divide

jones is about with 270 million, robbie. but it's not about the money, is it? >> no, absolutely not. it's trying to build holding somebody accountable for the atrocious things he has done. and the incredible harm he is that, not just to the fan sandy hook family, not just my family, but to a lot of people in this country, and the country as a whole. i think the injuries and verdict, you look at the evidence of this case, they made their decision, they came to their conclusion, but i like to think that this is a representative of that number represents. their view on the pain that he caused so many people in this country, we are not the only victims of attic -- alex jones. that includes his years. i consider his -- and succumb to his rhetoric. >> that was a generous interpretation, some might not agree with that, let me ask you, robbie, when you hear him trying to fund-raise off of

this, you hear him mock, saying that you guys will never see that money. what goes through your mind? >> i think what was evident in this trial, when alex jones gives him, he showed his true colors, he showed exactly who he was. a man that has no ability for empathy or compassion towards anybody. especially when he feels threatened about the things that are important to him. and that things are important to him or his own self view and will it. and fortunately, in this country, our only way to try to get any kind of accountability for somebody is to take the steps that we did through the legal process. the trial also proves, the four years of litigation, he ran and hid anytime he could he did everything he could to avoid this day of reckoning. he will continue to do that. we are not going to go anywhere. the lawyers will stay on the heels. he will have to face this one way or another. he will not be able to hide. >> you moved across the country, you moved from connecticut all

the way to the west coast, when we think about how this is impact to you, the washington post described this trial as impactful, you've got to know the other sandy hook families, what have your conversations been like? >> they have been really sweet. these were people that we did not know before the shooting. my family had not lived in sandy hook we were there for less than one year before emily was killed. we have the ability to establish any roots. we became very close with these families while we still live, there in the sense that we have a common denominator of the tragedy, being able to talk to somebody who understood what that level of loss felt like. and being we moving away, i never got a chance to know these families on a personal level, never got a chance to know their history. during the trial, i got to hear about them. more importantly, i got to hear about their kids, their moms, their wives. what beautiful people they were. i got to understand who they were better. and i know we connected with

them on a more personal level outside of the tragedy, it was really important for me and my wife. something i will cherish and take with me from the trial as well. >> can i ask you, robbie, about emily? and what memory most brings a smile to your heart? >> let me try to pick one. one of the thing that really demonstrates -- we were at the boston marathon at 2012. emily's grandpa run in the marathon. after the marathon, we are standing on the sidewalk and another competitor that was walking a by suddenly fainted on the ground, hit his head on the sidewalk really hard. i ran over there, put my hands on his head to keep him stabilized, i was talking to him, emily came up and she kneeled down next to me and she leaned over and put her hand on his shoulder. even when paramedics arrived, i got out of the way so paramedics can do what they do, emily stay there with her hand on his shoulder, making sure that he was okay. until they finally got him the

help he needed and he was put into an ambulance and it was taken away. that released shows who she was. she loved other people, she cared about other people. in six years, she made a lot of people feel that and understand who she was. that is really what makes alex jones has done, and his followers have done so horrific. this is a girl that simply just loves people and love to make people feel special. he tried to steal that, he tried to take that away, you try to take that narrative and turn into something else. we were able to get that back during this trial. >> grateful for that for you, emily will be your forever angel. rob parker, thank you so much for joining us. >> appreciate it. you have learned about the council members caught making disgustingly racist remarks, we will show them to you. tingly racist marerks, w will show them to you. will show them to you.

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some new calls for more los angeles city council members to step down after making racist remarks. the acting council president abruptly canceled friday's meeting because two members are refusing to resign. and there is growing mystery over who secretly recorded and leaked the audio of three members making racist and homophobic remarks, not colleagues. nbc's -- has more. >> l.a. city council president, nelly martinez, resigning after a leaked audio recording force reported by the l.a. times and obtained by our affiliate, knbc, captured martinez and council member, kevin de leon, making racist and disparaging remarks in 2021. >> the attacks targeted fellow council member, mike bannon, and his young son who, is black. the comments, which were spoken by and close doors in 2021, referred to an mlk parade in which bond participated in with his son. ♪ ♪ ♪

martinez is also her describing the child as a little monkey in spanish. >> yes, you heard me say they were discussing. joining me now is julia wick, -- reporter for the new york times. julia, thanks for joining me. what do you know about the circumstances of this leaked audio? is there any evidence of recorded or why it was released? >> thank you so much for having me. i'm actually -- we don't know yet who recorded this audio or why it was released. it really remains kind of the biggest question in this story. what we do know is that it was recorded in october 2021 at the l.a. county federation of labor, known locally as the fed, which is a real kind of powerful institution in the city. we know it was recorded during the once every decade battle --

[inaudible] we don't know if anyone else was in the room so -- that's kind of the biggest topic of conversation in l.a. at the moment. >> by the way, my apologies for saying new york times rather than los angeles times. i'm from los angeles, i get the l.a. times. i know who you are. whoops, my bad. anyway, let's talk about former council president, nelly martinez. so, she first resigned her leadership role and then completely resigned from the city council. so, these other two council members heard in the audio, kevin de leon, and gill -- there refused to resign and they've had numerous calls for them to do so, including from the white house. given the toxicity, julia, of this incident, what is the prevailing wisdom and can they effectively continue to serve on the city council? >> pretty much everyone in the city is calling for them to resign. i have not heard anyone, at least publicly, that said they should remain on council in the last couple of days. and it's really put the council

at a standstill. a lot of people do not want to be meeting while these men are still on the council, given what they have said. but the council also has to meet. you know, they are responsible for the very mundane machinery of the city, signing contracts, resolving lawsuits against the city, appropriating budgets, kind of the homegrown staff you don't really think about. but it's a problem that doesn't happen. so, they are at a bit of an impasse. they've changed the hearings from next week to virtual. the acting council president had a covid exposure, which is accurate. there was a covid exposure, but that also but is not convenient, that's not the right word, but it does work out. -- it would not allow the meeting to continue. but would not be able to do that in a virtual meeting. >> give me a quick sense if this has any effect on that hotly contested mayoral race between -- and rick caruso. >> great question. so, the short answer is it's

absolutely having an effect. it's all anyone's talking about. but slightly more -- sorry, slightly more annoying is that it's too soon to say how it's really going to affect the race. there are kind of two theories. one, that it will really help get people see her as kind of a coalition builder and in this moment, when we want a coalition builder. the other theory is it's great for caruso because he's an outsider who's talked about cleaning up city hall. and if ever there was a moment to be turned off the city hall establishment, this is it. i think we will really see the election, it's only three weeks away so i think we will see over the next week, we will get another -- how it's actually cutting. >> that makes sense, maybe we'll have you back, julia with. because you are from the wonderful l.a. times. thanks so much for your time. >> thank you so much for having me. >> yeah and that will do it for me on this edition of alex -- reports. i will see you tomorrow at noon eastern. -- continues our coverage. eastern. -- continues our coverage continues our coverage put it in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill.

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