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good afternoon, i'm yasmin vossoughian. we have a lot to cover for you this afternoon. out today, a big announcement about former president, barack obama, plans for midterm campaigning. and the places that will get a visit from the democrat's most powerful asset. plus, the georgia senate debate. while an abortion scandal hangs over his candidacy, it was a strange attempt at theater that got herschel walker a scolding. >> mister walker, you are very well aware of the rules tonight. >> yes. >> and you have a prop. that is not allowed, sir. >> we are going to have the highlights of reaction from voters in this key senate race. plus, new developments in the mar-a-lago documents case as the doj asks for an end to the special master. and the president is set to speak in just an hour or so about the top of the 3 pm hour,

about the economy and the some tough inflation news this week. all of that, plus you have to hear it to believe it. >> at least one of our schools in our town has, in one of the unisex bathrooms, a litter box for the kids that identify as cats. and i am really disturbed by that. >> a debunked urban myth about schools in kitty litter's taking hold amongst republicans across this country. we are going to talk about what may be a new low for the gop coming up as well. we've got a lot to get through, though. we want to begin with some very big political news out today. just 24 hours, everybody, until the midterm elections. democrats, they are getting ready to pull out their most potent political weapon. it's a pretty crucial race, right? you have an announcement released today. former president, barack obama, is set to travel to georgia, michigan, wisconsin, as well later on this month. home, of course, to key senate governors races seen as must

winds, crucial to the democratic party. obama also saying that he's particularly concerned with races that will impact how the 2024 presidential election is run in those states. he's going to start in atlanta on october 28th before heading to detroit and milwaukee the following day. this is just the beginning, we are being told. more campaign stops are set to be announced pretty soon. and then let's get to georgia as well. the senate race there. in their first and only debate, one and done, senator raphael warnock face off against republican opponent, herschel walker, on issues ranging from abortion, to crime as well. there were plenty of fireworks, to say the least, including this moment. one walker was chastised for breaking the rules. >> i am what we are -- police officers and at the same time, -- >> mr. walker, i need to let you know, mr. walker. you know very well aware of the rules tonight. and you have a prop. that is not allowed, sir. i ask you to put that prop

away. >> well, it's not a prop. this is real. >> all right, alison barber was at the debate. she joins me now from savannah, along with jermaine lee, who got reaction from college students in atlanta as well. alison, let me start with you on this one. talk about that moment in particular. but also as we kind of prepare for this debate yesterday, the question was, how were both warnock and herschel walker going to deal with, right, address some of the allegations made towards herschel walker? we are talking about the fact that he may have allegedly paid for an abortion. what did they say? how did they address it? >> it was an interesting debate, that moment that you played just a moment ago. i was speaking to a supporter at a herschel walker campaign stop earlier this morning, and as he talked about his support for herschel walker and watching the debate last night, he mentioned that moment and said, that moment where he showed that badge or whatever, that was kind of sort of bad.

but then went on to say he is locked in for herschel walker. but he was saying that he saw that as a moment that struck him as odd. we've asked the campaign to clarify exactly what it was that he was holding up their. we have not yet heard back. but look, both campaigns are declaring victory today. walker's campaign, saying that he dominated in the debate. warnock's, saying that the senator showed georgia voters why they voted for him to go to washington in the first place. a lot of topics came up in this debate, but the pair notably clashed on abortion. listen. >> georgia is a state that respects life and i will be a senator that protects life. i said that was a lie, and i'm not buying down. >> i am a pastor, i'm a man of faith. and i have a profound reverence for life in a deep respect for choice. >> if white lives matter, why are you not protecting those babies? instead, you are a boarding those babies.

why are you not baptizing those babies? >> women of georgia have a clear choice. as we are watching women now, do you want a senator who wants to control your life or do you want a senator who wants to save your life? >> and senator warnock, and that last bite, was talking about the maternal death rates. saying if you are for life, that's something that the government could actually do something about and highlighting various legislative actions that he has supported in that regard. during the primaries, walker, at one point, had said he supported an all-out ban on abortions, no exception. in recent weeks, he sort of walked that back, saying that he supports georgia's heartbeat bill with exceptions. -- in the life, in case the life of a mother is at risk. on that abortion allegation, he was asked about that last night, walker again denied it. he said, it is a lie and that he's not backing down from calling the allegation that he paid for and encouraged a former girlfriend to have won a lie. yasmin?

>> all right, ellison, thank you. jermaine, you are watching the debate along with students at warnock's alma mater, right? morehouse college. what were their takeaways? >> that's right, guzman. for these young warehousemen, it was really their first time getting the herschel locker experience, right? some of the wackiness, the props. and even though herschel walker may not have heard himself, the people who support him, he didn't do himself any favors for those who were already on the line. and so, these young men watching this debate, it kind of hardened their position for the candidate of choice. let's listen. >> what have you seen tonight, by a show of hands. has this move you in anyway? has this move the needle for y'all at all? no hands. so we have one hand. >> a little bit, i think i feel like i wasn't following the news as much with regards to herschel walker. i kind of had a general understanding that he was, you know, a black man who was sort of a republican, things like that.

but actually seeing him speak definitely made me more confident about supporting warnock. >> certainly there are now more call counted -- which is rafael warnock. one thing that came up time and again was this idea of hypocrisy, especially around the abortion questions and the allegations about herschel walker. they said it was kind of indicative of what they see is kind of hostile policy, hostile political ideology on the right, especially. and it's not lost in that there are two black men, which is a rarity, vying for a senate seat in the deep south. we haven't had many since reconstruction. but even with that, there were rafael warnock, they see walker as the guy -- >> jermaine lee, thank you. ellison barbara, thank you as well. let's switch gears here for a moment, if we can, and get the latest on the trump investigations. the justice department is actually asking the 11th circuit court of appeals to and the special master review of the mar-a-lago documents, arguing that it is legally unjustified. the doj lawyers writing late on friday that the district court

acknowledged there has been no evidence of the government acting in, quote, callous disregard, and that by itself, is a reason enough to conclude that district court abused its discretion, they wrote, in exercising equitable jurisdiction here. this is coming as the january 6th committee wants all communication between the secret service and the oath keepers leading up to and on the day of the capitol attack. joining me now is capitol hill correspondent, ali rothe. also with us, cnn's -- former republican, kurt bardella. as well. -- give me the latest and update from what you know regarding the doj's request here to the 11th circuit, to essentially drop the special master. >> yeah, yasmin. well, i think we were supposed to talk about the january six communications with secret service agents in relation to that, we know that one revelation that came out of thursday's hearing was the secret service communication with members of the far-right

group, the oath keepers. and how much of that wasn't initially shared with the january six committee until it was subpoenaed for this communication. now nbc news, as you mentioned at the top there, is exclusively learning that the january 6th committee is asking the secret service for any and all communications between members of the far-right group, the oath keepers, and, i'm sorry, the secret service before and on january 6th. this is coming after the secret service told the committee that at least one member of the protective detail of the agency was in communication with the leader of that group, stewart rhodes, who's, by the, with being charged with seditious conspiracy, along with other members right now. as early as september of 2020, this is something that the secret service is currently downplaying. they are saying that this was sort of irregular thing for their agents to be in communication with these members, to talk about security protocols such as, you know, what they could and could not bring into events like trump

rallies, where they could and could not stand. this is something that's really concerning. january six committee members. they are concerned about the frequency of these communications, whether that possibly amount to some sort of partnership between agents and members of this group. take a listen to what congresswoman joe zoe lofgren has a say about this. >> let me just say, i have a lot of questions about all of it. about coordination among witnesses, about the advice that they may have been receiving from some attorneys. about their veracity. you know, i just think there is more questions than answers at this point. >> this is, of course, coming as the committee paratroopers in the next two days to formally issue that subpoena that they unanimously voted on thursday, to issue to the former president. we saw him react yesterday in this -- 14-page letter where he signs the committee's work.

he, again, says the election is rigged. he notably, though, does not say whether he would eventually comply with the subpoena or not. this is something that committee members are being realistic about. they know that the chances of him complying, especially under tight timeline, the chances of that are slim. but committee members feel that with all the evidence that they've laid out about intent and his central role in january 6th, that his testimony would be helpful. but they don't think it's definitely necessary, yasmin. >> kurt bardella, let's get into some of this, right? because i do want to get into a question opposed to ali about the department of justice. let's expand first on what ali just talked about and of course, that kind of 14-page rambling response we got from the former president. all of which had, essentially, everything that he has said before, right? it was the same, old playbook talking about the fact that he felt as this was a witch hunt, saying that the 2020 election was rigged, so on, and so forth. i don't need to repeat the rest. first, what do you make of his response so far? and what it could mean going forward.

>> you know, yasmin, he took 14 pages to say a whole lot of nothing at the end of the day. because the only question that matters is whether or not donald trump is willing to do what hillary clinton was able to do, testify in front of congress, which she did for almost 11 hours without ever invoking the fifth amendment, by the way. well donald trump actually have the guts to show up and answer questions under oath? i think all of us know the answer to that is, of course, no. everything he's doing is just posturing. it's just politics and i think that the committee should just call his bluff. he says he wants to show up and testify live, okay, name the time and place, they will have a hearing. because donald trump is a walking perjury trap. there is no lawyer on any continent that would think it's a good idea for him to go and answer questions under oath. this guy lies as easy as he breathes. so, he's going to try to do the bravado show, make it look like he's tough. but at the end of the day, he doesn't have the guts to show up and testify. >> how concerned are you, kurt, about the communications between oath keepers and the secret service? obviously, this is information

messaging at that the january six committee is looking to get. we heard from liz cheney, this actually may not be the last of the hearings, right? there could be more. could this be something that could be revealed in those next hearings, or do you think the secret service may not be as forthcoming with those text messages, as we've seen in the past? >> well, we have seen time and again, and i have to credit the relentless reporting that the washington post, carrot leoni, hazan on the secret service. they are anything but forthright. it is with grave severity that this should be continue to be investigated. the idea that the people that are charged with the safety and security of the president of the united states, the first family, vice president, could in any way be compromised. couldn't anyway be aside or have sympathy for the seditious miss. it's an incredibly unthinkable and dangerous thing, and we need to get to the bottom of the fact that to this point, there have been things that have gone missing. call logs, data that's been deleted and are retrievable. we need to find out how that happened, why it happened, and

really where the loyalties within the secret service lie. there is a part of hearing where they talked about that there was the observation that a great faction within the department was sympathetic to the january 6th people. that's terrifying and that needs to be thoroughly investigated. >> let's double back then, kurt, while i have you talking about, of course, this request from the department of justice to the 11th circuit court of appeals, to drop the special master. what do you make of it? what do you expect to come of it? >> i think that we've seen enough throughout this entire proceeding the judge who initially ruled in favor of appointing the special master could then rule against the special master, he's even requested. this tells you that it's all politics, it's all for show. the justice department's right to make this appeal, to make this request. have a special master withdrawn. there is no earthly reason at all women needs to, why in between needs even exist. we are top my classified information. top secret classified information. it seems pretty black and white.

the president had, it should not have had it, ordered it to be moved, and he needs to be held accountable for that. >> kurt bardella, thank you. ali refer, thank you as well. coming up in our 3 pm hour, everybody, we were going to dive into all the highlights and give you in-depth analysis from what may have been the final public january six hearing. a key word there though, may. but i have this hour, president biden said to make remarks about the economy shortly from oregon. we are going to tell you why the president is campaigning and in that reliably blue state. plus, we are live in ukraine coming up, as the country's internet service may be in trouble. and then later on, kitty litter in the classroom. for students identifying as cats. the origin behind this lie being pushed by some republicans across the country. we will be right back. we will be right back. we will be right back. ♪♪ whenever heartburn strikes get fast relief with tums. it's time to love food back. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums ♪

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ukraine's still reeling from attacks earlier on this week. the news is coming despite russian president, vladimir putin,'s claim on friday that there is no more need for a, quote, massive strikes on ukraine. and adding that his recently announced military mobilization will be complete within two weeks. this has not stopped the united states from announcing another security assistance package for ukraine, which would include additional ammunition for the himars rockets system. we want to bring in now nbc's kyle buried. he's in the capital for us. talking a bit more about this. cal, good to talk to you once again. talk to me about the atmosphere, really, on the ground. i'm curious because there were so many wins for ukrainians over the last few weeks, but then over the last, really, last couple of days or so, they have been pounded repeatedly by the russians. with these renewed attacks, right? how are folks reacting there? >> so, we are going to try to give you a sense of what it's like tonight in the capital city. we've come out of our normal

live location to try to show you how pitch black this city is. not just out of fear of airstrikes, but because they are starting to conserve power. so behind me, you see street lights. those are the only lights on in the city. at least in this part of the city. i think you've got sort of the faint outline of a bus stop. we will swing you around and forgive us if this doesn't work, yasmin, it's a bit of a high wire act. normally you would have -- cathedral behind me with that golden dome and those lights. everything is off tonight. and again, it's because the government is asking people to turn the lights off to conserve power. so, they knock -- hitting power infrastructure targets is this. a government official putting on telegram, if you don't turn the power of tonight, conserve energy, we will have to bring out the candles. so, that's where the city is. we should remind our viewers, we would normally be busy saturday night tonight. what time is it? it's 9:30 pm. normally people would be out and about. restaurants and bars are full because the city is removed from the east, where those gains are happening. as you say, where ukrainians are making those gains on the battlefield. so, the sense here is that this is the price that ukraine is

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announced multiple remains were found in a river. this is happening as investigators continue to search for mark chastain, billy chastain, mike sparks, alex stevens, as well. all four men disappeared earlier on this week. the local police chief, saying the remains were found after a person reported mysterious items near a bridge. work is now underway to recover and identify these remains. all right, we have had a series of gun deaths in this country over the last just a few days, right? in raleigh, north carolina, on thursday, a 15 year old gunman shot and killed five people. the victims range in age from 16 to in the 50s. on friday. in north carolina's district attorney said that she intends to charge the 15-year-old suspect in the mass shooting as an adult. the suspect has not been identified and remains hospitalized in critical condition. authorities, saying all of this on friday. two other people were injured in the attack as well. one remains in critical condition. meanwhile, the families of the victims of the 2018 parkland

mass shooting, they are still coming to terms with the jury's decision to sentence the shooter to life in prison without parole. sparing him from the death penalty. he had already pled guilty to 17 counts of murder and will have his final sentencing on november 1st. on friday, i spoke to linda beagle shulman, the mother of a victim of that shooting. teacher scott -- and we talked about her son and her dismay at this decision by the jury. take a listen. >> can we talk about november 1st for a moment? because that is the date in which your son's killer will be sentenced. and we know, according to florida's law, that was changed back in 2017, it requires a unanimous jury recommendation for the death penalty. essentially meaning the judge cannot change now what the jury has put forth. what does that mean to you?

>> i don't think that the judge would have changed anything if the murderer got the death penalty. i'm sure she wouldn't of changed it. the bottom line is every aggravating factor was checked, yes. unanimously by all the jurors. sorry. every aggravating factor. and there is no way in the world any of those mitigating factors outweighed those aggregating factors. the bottom line is there was a juror or juror who decided that no matter what, no matter how heinous the crime, no matter how horrible this person was, that person could not bring themselves to say, i'm going to be someone who's going to put him to death. >> tell me about -- >> i mean, the truth of the matter is, okay, really, the verdict at this point gives credibility to the and are ease talking point that the problem is mental illness, not guns.

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we want to turn now to wisconsin and the race for governor there. last night, a democratic governor, tony evers, and his republican challenger, tim michaels, held their only debate. the contest is expected to be one of the closest throughout the country. it's currently a toss-up, rating from the cook political report. joining us now from the milwaukee suburb of menominee, false, is shaq brewster. i hope i said that right, shaq. >> you did, you. did >> you were there for both debates, right? >> okay, good. >> senate and governors, right? you and i actually spoke post senate debate there. how did this one stack up? >> well, thursday night's debate between the senate candidates was definitely more contentious. the four men allowed for more interaction between the two candidates. but the debate that we saw last night between the candidates for governor, tony viewers and

tim michaels, while it wasn't as contentious, it was just as important. there were some national implications here and, you know, something moving over this race was the idea of election integrity. wisconsin being a battleground state. there were questions in the past, tim michaels has avoided answers on whether or not he would certify future presidential elections. that's something that came up on the debate stage. i want you to see a little bit of that exchange. >> and the last election was safe, secure, and there was not fraud. >> there is a non partisan legislative commission that did find that illegal voting did happen in the last election. they also found out that clerks were given a legal guidance by wisconsin elections commission. i will make sure that once i'm governor, we never have these questions again about election integrity. i will work with the legislature, we will get these bills right. >> now, that was on election

integrity, but we also heard abortion come up. abortion has been a key line of attack from democrats in the state, and from the democratic governor here, that's because since the overturning of roe, we've seen abortion rights and access severely restricted in the state of wisconsin. now operating under 1849 abortion ban. tim michaels said that while he supports that ban, he would be now willing to add exemptions to that ban for rape and incest. tony evers, saying that ban is outrageous and he said that it's extreme, and called his republican opponent, extreme on this issue. so, big issues that were discussed last night, although much of the intention is so on that senate race. but i will tell, you this governor's races the tightest race in the country. when you look at the average of polls, it's tied. >> well, shaq brewster, we appreciate it. thank you so much. we want to turn out to some other races that we are following as well that could potentially really defined this upcoming midterm election.

for that, i want to name a panel now joining us talk more about this. he's the -- she's a republican strategist. and msnbc political analyst, basil smikle. he's a democratic strategist and former executive director of the new york state democratic party. i was going to make a joke, susan. i didn't know you are still a republican strategist. [laughs] considering the way things have -- okay, okay, just checking. want to make sure the team got it right. all right, so obviously we just talked on wisconsin. there are so many races that are going to be pivotal for the midterm elections that we are keeping an eye on. i mentioned earlier, obviously, and talk to alison barber on the ground there in georgia, and jermaine lee as well, about the debates last night between herschel walker and raphael warnock. and of course, the allegations that are being made towards herschel walker and the fact that he allegedly paid for a woman to terminate her pregnancy, a woman that he was having a relationship with, i want to play for you, susan,

first the way in which that exchange went. his response, really, herschel walker's response that on the debate stage last night, then you can respond. >> as i said, that's a lie. and, you know, one of the most things, i put it in a book. one thing about my life is i've been very transparent. not like this senator. he's hit things. but at the same time, i said that is a lie and on abortion, you know, i'm a christian. i believe in life and i tell people this. in georgia, it's a state that respects life and i will be the senator that protects life. i said that was a lie and i'm not backing down. we have senator warnock, people that would do anything, he said anything, for this seat. i'm not going to back down because this seat is too important to the georgia people, for me to back down right now. >> i think that the women of this country and the women of this state woke up one summer morning in a core protection that they've known for 50 years was taken from them by an

extremist supreme court. and i said where i stand in the past, that a patient's role is to narrow, and small, and cramped a space for a woman. -- we are witnessing right now what happens when politicians, most of the men, pile into patients rooms. you get what you are seeing right now. >> all right, just flat out, what did you make of herschel walker's response there? >> it was better than expected, but it turned out that he was extremely well scripted and he stayed mostly to the script. do i believe him? no. do i think it helped him win any votes? absolutely not. and the voter that i think may have been paying attention to this debate, which should concern walker in his response, is that center right independent or moderate republican woman. and right now, with the race

the way it is, and camp leading at the top of the ticket for governor, i think that you are going to see a lot of those republicans, that five to 10%, saying, you know what? i'm here to vote for camp, but i'm not voting for herschel walker. just if you listen to the whole debate, or even ten minutes of it, it's so disappointing that this is the caliber of person for their party, just person, that is running for u.s. senate out of a major party. >> i've got to say, basil, i was speaking to some folks down in georgia and one of the things i heard over and over again is, i mean, herschel walker is illegitimate celebrity in georgia, right? he's a former uja football player. they love their football, right? they love you j.a.. they love the bulldogs, right? and so, i feel like, because i wondered to myself, why isn't this making more traction than you would have thought? i wonder if part of it is because of, really, that celebrity. he's herschel to them.

>> that's absolutely right. listen, this is a feature of trump era politics i think you will see a lot more celebrities running for office. and to susan's point, you know, all he really had to do was just go get to that stage and sound halfway decent. and i think that cleared a hurdle for a lot of voters. it's sad, it's disappointing that any party would bring up -- that kind of candidate, but it was a really low bar that i think for a lot of voters, he crossed. and i've said this many times. you know, these candidates are ideological. you don't really care, i think a lot of voters don't particularly care about the policies of herschel walker. they care that he's just a vehicle and a vessel for a republican agenda, at this point. what i hope is that voters saw an extraordinary candidate in reverend warnock, who's run a green campaign. and that they, because of all that's going on in this country right now, they don't want to

candidate that adheres a social science term, who is messy. they don't want someone who's going to be, you know, a destruction after destruction. you know, that's what joe biden got elected. for democrats, independents and some republicans, they just wanted some normalcy coming from the white house. do you want to have to deal with, you know, day after day of really just troubling, disturbing stories coming from your u.s. senator at this moment in time? when you hope that georgians feel that way. >> do you think that it's why raphael warnock is not going after these allegations when it comes to her salon? because he wants to keep it out of politics about the issues? >> keep it about the issues. look, i think bernie sanders on his word and i said the other day that abortion is front and center, i think they're a lot of folks who are motivated about that. but there are other issues that are concerning americans right now. crime, gas prices, inflation,. we are, as a party, we are

reversing in these issues. flexible enough to talk about them and i think reverend warnock's great at staying on message. >> basil smikle, susan del percio, republican strategist, thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up next, everybody. >> they are putting in an environment where there are kids that identify as a free, a cat or a dog, whatever. i am lying. >> how a myth about threes and letterboxes in schools became a gop talking point. we will be right back. will be right back. will be right back. i started screening for colon cancer because of my late husband jay. i wish he could have seen our daughter ellie get married, on the best day of her life. but colon cancer took him fro like it's taken so many others. that's why i've made it my mission to talk about getting screened and ask people to share their reasons why. i screen for my growing family. being with them means everything to me. i screen for my girls. they're always surprising me.

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schoolteacher. and she works at a school that had to install a litter box in the girls room because there is a girl who is a furry, who identifies as an animal. >> okay, so that was a couple of republican lawmakers and joe rogan, who have been pushing this hoax over the last year or so, claiming that schools are now offering litter boxes for students that identify as animals. nbc news has found at least 20 conservative candidates and elected officials who have been amplifying this talking point. it's an outlandish rumor and it's become the latest weapon in the war that conservatives have been waging against the lgbtq rights and gender identity protections in our nation's schools. for more on this, we want to bring in nbc investigative reporter, tyler kincade. former corridor of the peace, can find an nbcnews.com/planyourvote. that puts facts to the fiction of this hoax. tyler, thanks for joining other

than this. appreciate. it kind of give us the abc's if you kind of this and how this urban myth, how it began. >> yeah, so this started circulating on social media last year by random people. and then local activist spreads this myth, you played a little short clip of it earlier at a michigan school board meeting in december. from there in january of 2022, this gets amplified on facebook by the co-chair of the republican party in michigan, and then a prominent right-wing twitter account call lives of tiktok spread it further. these claim starts to gain scheme. state lawmakers bring them appearing floor debates. but every single time schools accused of this, including that michigan school, where it seems to have started said no, this is not happening. so, it keeps proliferating on social media. usually by people who say they heard it from a neighbor or niece. kind of like the joe rogan clip. and yasmin, thought you have republican nominees for governor spreading it. >> so, joe rogan is lying there

in that clip? >> i mean, no disrespect to his friends wife, who we don't know and, you know, we reached out and ask what's cool is this. because every single time we've checked into it, we called all the school districts that i've been named, they have no idea what we are talking about. they said, you know, sometimes kids might dress up like this, like yeah, they are flurries. they don't dress up in a way that, like, distract people. if it does, they just talk to them the same way that people wear an inappropriate t-shirt or -- too tall or something that it distracts in class. they tell them, knock it off. it's not an identity like an lgbtq identity. it's not like gender identity. and that's what these guys are getting wrong and they are twisting. >> right, do you think something as outlandish as this is actually going to have an effect on protections for lgbtq students? >> well, so, i realize a lot of viewers are probably sitting at

home and thinking this is so silly, it's obviously fake. why would anyone believe this? but it's, like i mentioned, the -- the same way that, you know, debates about student sex marriage before that was legalized by the supreme court. people used to say, well, what's next, marrying a dog? it's a way to spread fear about what happens if you give an inch, to providing rights for lgbtq youth. but it's just not true and it's not what's going to happen. >> it's astounding that something like this is being spread right about now. he, quickly tyler, and all that you and your colleagues wrote an article about how only one school district that you talk to actually confirmed they keep cat litter on campus. but it was for a much different reason, pretty dark reason, at that. what is it? >> yeah, yasmin. this was not what we expected. it was in jefferson county, colorado, where columbine high school was located. they started handing out small amounts of kitty litter a few years ago, in case of prolonged school lockdowns in the event

of things like school shootings. when i talked to people in my district, yasmin, they told me, unfortunately, they have far too much experience with this and this is the kind of threat they are worried about. not freeze. >> my gosh, the reality of the world that we are living in right now. tyler kingkade, thank you so much. appreciate it. all right, the president and everybody atop about to talk the economy in a stop in portland. after the break, why the typically democratic stronghold, oregon, now has a party concerned enough to send the president there again. we will be right back. ident there aiagn. we will be right back. that's the real question. with fidelity income planning, a dedicated advisor can help you grow and protect your wealth, even when you're not working. they'll look at your full financial picture and help you create a flexible strategy designed to balance growth potential and guaranteed income. so you can stop worrying about the future and enjoy the life you've created. that's the planning effect. from fidelity.

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going to be speaking in moments there. we are taking a look at the podium where the president will be. senator wide been speaking there now. as soon as that comes up, we are going to bring it to you. the president, addressing, of course, the economy at the stop in portland, oregon. he's wrapping up this multi-state west coast tour today with a visit that will include an appearance of -- gubernatorial candidate and members of the oregon congressional delegation. joining us now from portland embassies garrett -- he's been following this for us. garrett, as we await for the president, of course, to take that stage behind you, we do know oregon is solidly a blue state, right? solidly democratic state. why is the president there today? >> so, officially, yasmin, he is here to talk about medicare and medicaid.

he's here to talk about social security and -- for the american people. but there's also, as you mentioned, a really close oregon governor's race happening in this race, unexpectedly so. it's between democrat, tina kotick, any republican, christine injuries in. but it's not just those two, as much as a democrat -- there is an independent, betsy johnson, who's also in this race. she's taking support from both republican and the democratic side. making it the most expensive oregon governor's race the state has ever seen. more than $47 million. we talked to organ voters yesterday here in portland, they said that they didn't have their mindset on what the candidate they want, but what they do knows what issues mattered most to them. that's homelessness and crime, especially in this portland area. here's what some voters had to say about the state of the race. >> oregon needs something different and i would say different means that tina would not be my choice. she would be more of the same. and it doesn't matter what part

of the state you are in, we need to fix ourselves. >> to be completely honest, because she's a democrat, who will work with the mainstream democrats in the legislature to get things done. i think betsy johnson would just be at war with everyone. and a republican governor, god only knows what she would want to do. >> after this event, the president is off to a fund-raiser with democrat -- before heading off to wilmington for the weekend. but yasmin, it's been 40 years since the state has electorally governor. president biden is here today trying to make it 41. yasmin? >> yeah, so as i said, we are going to be watching that podium there on that stage there as we are waiting the president. of course, to speak from portland, oregon. as soon as that gets started. and gets up there, we are going to bring it to you. gary, you and i can talk once again after we hear, of course, the present there specifically

addressing some of the concerns surrounding the economy, the number one issue for a lot of the voters across this country, as a lead up to the midterms. for now, gary -- thank you. also everybody, coming up next hour, -- >> everybody on the floor is putting on their gas masks to prepare for a breach. we're trying to get more information. they are putting on their tear gas masks. can you believe it? can you believe this? >> the highlights, including newly released video and details, plus key takeaways from what was possibly the final public january 6th committee hearing. we will be right back. committee hearing. we will be right back. we will be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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everybody. you are taking a look at live pictures there from portland oregon. president biden is such a make remarks this our ongoing costs for american families. he's going to make the remarks southeast point learned community center. after that the president will attend a reception and fund-raiser for organs democratic candidate for governor. so in a very tight three way race in the normally reliably blue state facing republican candidate christine trusts and as well as independent candidate pnc johnson. the side of the importance of this race, that's what's the presidents second visit to the state in the last six months or so. we will keep an eye on the sean and bring you the presidents remarks