welcome to the top of the hour, everybody. you are taking a look at live pictures there from portland oregon. president biden is such a make remarks this our ongoing costs for american families. he's going to make the remarks southeast point learned community center. after that the president will attend a reception and fund-raiser for organs democratic candidate for governor. so in a very tight three way race in the normally reliably blue state facing republican candidate christine trusts and as well as independent candidate pnc johnson. the side of the importance of this race, that's what's the presidents second visit to the state in the last six months or so. we will keep an eye on the sean and bring you the presidents remarks when they.

soon as we get that adds up we're gonna go to. it mike, i will start to the control room for second. we think the president is coming out now. all right. got it, as soon as he comes out it to. we do in a move on to the general six hearings. this hour we're taking an in-depth look at this weeks generous committee hearing. potentially the final one. members made it clear in this hearing, in case it wasn't, before this all boils down to one individual. >> the central cause of january 6th was one man. donald trump. who many others followed. that none of this would've happened without him. he was personally substantially vault in all of it they laid out in meticulous detail a plan

for the former president began long before january six, even long before election day 2020. . in the course of our investigation, we also interviewed brad parscale, president trump's former campaign manager. he told us he understood that president trump planned as early as july that he would say he won the election even if he lost the committee made the case at all that followed me generally sixth almost . they received never before seen footage with dealing with all the fallout. why did you get the president solid leave the capitol, mr. tierney general? it's your lawn forsman's responsibility.

. this can't be waiting for someone. so we need them there, now whatever you've got. in the end there was one final surprise. a decision to subpoena the one man responsible for it all. >> he must be accountable. he is required to answer for his actions. he is required to answer for those police officers who put their lives and bodies on the line to defend our democracy. he is the one person at the center of the story of what have been. so we want to hear from them >> they will hear from, have doubled the american people to hear for them as. well so it's good to. it took inside the committee room for some of the key moments. we begin with more on the heart of the former presidents plan. a plan that launched on before election day interviews close advisors. bill wilson to this. whatever happens, i'm going to

say i won. >> we also interviewed brad parscale. president trump's former campaign manager. usually she understood that president trump planned as early as july that he would say he won the election even if he lost. and, just a few days before the election, steve bannon, former trump's chief strategist announce cited by the president trump, spoke to a group of his associates from china. onset thus, >> which trump is going to do to clear victory. he's gonna declare victory. it doesn't mean that he's a winner, he's just gonna say it's a winner. it when you wake up wednesday, morning it is going to be firestorm. also, if trump is losing, battling o'clock at night it is going to be even crazier. because the he's gonna sit there and say they stole it. >> i'm addressing the attorney

general to shut down about places and all 50 states. it's going to be next. he's not going to d.c.. trump is going to do some crazy stuff. >> by the, way the former president stuck with the script through animal, through court defeat after court defeat. they're increasingly embarrassing moments for his legal team. all with one goal in mind, stay in power. whatever the cost. >> he knew he had oscillation, but he made the delivery toys to ignore the courts, to ignore the justice department, to ignore his campaign leadership, to ignore senior advisers, and to pursue a completely unlawful effort to overturn the election. has intent was planned. ignore the rule of, law stay in power. >> the committee made it clear that cost of the former presidents allies culminating in the deadly violence on

january six. violence at the evidence make clear the white house should have known was coming. >> trump is given this marching orders. one post on the donald dot win wrote. basically if you are east of the mississippi, you can and should be there. advance on the capitol. keep your guns hidden, don't -- around. for, kids are hundred navy rounds minimum. four main rifle, another 54 sidearm per person. what is clear from this record is that the white house had more than enough warning to warrant stopping any plan for and ellipse rally, and certainly for stopping any march to the capital. asked the writer swung the capital, by all accounts of president watch the action unfolding on tv from the safety of the white house. trump another republican leaders tried to lay the blame for the ride at the feet of nancy pelosi, questioning is

doing to stop. the committee answer that question and stunning fashion. sharing for the first-time video of congressional leaders action. >> we are surrounded. they're taking the north from. [inaudible] . . . . >>,,. >>. >>,.

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states. okay, thank you governor. i appreciate you doing. if you don't mind i would like to sunday thank you. thank. >> the virginia guard a. i'm just telling the governor northam. what he says they sent 200 state police and a unit of the national guard. they are breaking windows and going and obviously ransacking your offices and the rest of that. that is. nothing the concern we have about personal harm. >> safety. >> personal safety, just transcends everything. but the fact is, on any given day they are breaking the law in many different ways. quite frankly, much of it at the instigation of the president of united states. and now, if he could at least, somebody. you have why don't you get the president to tell them to leave the capital, mister attorney general.

in your log for some responsibility. a public statement they should all leave. >> usa. usa. usa. >> this cannot be just we are waiting for someone so. we need them there now, whatever you've got. >> you also have troops. andrews air force base. other military bases. >> all right, thank. you >> were instituted national guard. have seen in the future can you have the place. it's cleaned out. >> i don't want to speak for the leadership. we are responsible for the -- operation -- . on the ground and. >> just pretend for a moment with the pentagon or the white house or something interesting that was under siege. and let me say, you can

logistically get people there as you make the plan. . >> i want to forget how we get this job done today. we talked much about it earlier >> he is not in right now but he was with us earlier. he said we want to extradite those and i'm hoping that we can confine it to just one complaint and that we could vote and just move forward with the rest of the state. the overriding wishes to do it do at the capitol what we're being told very directly is going to take days for the capital to be okay again. we have gotten a very bad report that the condition of -- house floor -- dedication and all that kind of thing as well. i don't think that that is hard

to clean up, but i do think that it is more families accurately standpoint of making sure that everybody is out of the building and have a lot take. i just got off to the vice president. >> i just got off of the vice president elect. >> okay, we left the conversation, with because he said he had the impression of image that mitch once everybody back there. i said we are getting a counter point that could take time to clean up that pooh-pooh that they're making all over. literally, and figuratively, in the capital. and then it may take days to get back. >> i am at the capitol building. i am literally standing with the -- of the u.s. capital -- . he just informed me what you'll hear traditional channels. wherever you are, we will inform you that the best information is that they believe that the house in the

senate will be able to -- . reconvene in roughly an hour. >> good news. . all right. >> thank you very much, mister vice president. in >> wow, just astounding. shocking. incredible video. and let's just take a minute to remember these insurrectionists, these rioters. they were calling for nancy pelosi's life. they were calling to take her life along with then vice president mike pence, another lawmakers. amidst all of this happening those behind the scenes conversations being champ in the january six committee on the possible last hearing today. all right. coming up everybody. the crucial information the committee has been unable to

obtain. that aided in the decision to subpoenaed the former president. how trump's allies went from handful to pleading the fifth, coming up next. >> to believe the violence on january 6th was justified? >> on the vice councillor respectably declined to answer your question on the basis of the fifth amendment. e fifth amendment. if you're loud, be louder. if you stand out, stand strong. and if you got the devil on your shoulder... take him for a ride.

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-- . it will meet over the resources to potential here so at the moment he is not coming but that could change. . >> comes in here i'm going to punch him out. i've been waiting this, trespassing on the capitol. grounds >> i'm gonna punch, map and go to jail, immunity happy. >> that was how speaker nancy pelosi during the siege on the capital when she was warned then president trump may be

headed her way home video taken by her daughter, documentarian alexander pelosi. the president did not show. plenty of other, stud has been out. no despite the bravado supporters and allies during that time, they haven't been as brave when called to answer the committee -- . >> this is roger stone with oath keepers at the willard hotel on january 6th. here is mr. stone testifying before our committee. >> did you speak to president trump on has private cell phone on january for the january six? >> once again, i advised the councillor villa certipath amendment right and respectfully decline to answer your questions. >> this is general michael flynn walking with oath keepers on december 12th 2020. here is general flynn's testimony before our committee. .

did you general flynn talked to president trump and any point on january 6th. >> the fifth. >> that led to the committee speaker beloved band of the hearing. for one key witness rethink is crucial to hear from. >> other witnesses have gone to enormous liked to avoid testifying about their dealings with donald trump. steve bannon has been tried and convicted by a jury of his peers for contempt of congress. he is scheduled to be sentenced for this crime later this month. criminal proceedings regarding peter navarro continue. like meadows, donald trump's former chief of staff, has refused to testify based upon executive privilege. the committees litigation within continues. mister chairman, at some point that department of justice may well under the facts that these and other witnesses are currently concealing.

that our duty today's to our country, and our children, and our constitution. we are obligated to seek answers directly from the man who's such a solid motion. so this afternoon, i am offering this resolution. that the committee to direct the chairman to issue a subpoena for relevant documents and testimony under oath from donald john trump in connection with the january 6th attack on the united states capitol. >> the committee loaded unanimously in favor of a subpoena for the former president. joining me now is nicholas wu. also legal analysts choice nicholas. let me start with you on this one. give me your latest reporting when it comes to the subpoena issued for the former president. what tools the committee has

toolkit if and likely when he does not abide by this subpoena? >> the committee doesn't have that many tools to enforce the subpoena other than the courts. the thing is, only about two and a half months or so left in this congress. and then the committee something at the end. there's not enough time left to wage a legal fight for trump's testimony. if it comes down to that. there's always the possibility that the former president could decide that he actually wants to comply and testify publicly. but right now all signs are pointing to him potentially litigating this and dragging this out past official and. >> much of the top surrounding the former president subpoena is that it was for record and it is likely they are not going to move forward in enforcing the subpoena. what advantage, knowing that

likely outcome, what advantage with the former president have in answering the subpoena and showing up for testimony? >> it is an interesting situation that he is placed. and there isn't that a good answer for the what's next for the former president. if he doesn't show up and testify, that becomes part of the historical record. that is president of the united states refused to testify about his role or what he knew about in essence is an insurrection. if he does show up and testify, of course at a minimum he places himself under the threat of perjury charges down the road if he is not truthful. perhaps you could find some narrow mid path that would let him speak more of his lies that actually crossing over the line. but ultimately, yasmin, nothing good happens to him here. and i suspect what we will see is that trump, like so many, others look each indigo she actions. will delay, but never show up

to testify under oath. >> some of the footage that have been showing as i came to you in the first 15 minutes or so the show has been that, asean yet unseen footage that was shown during the last hearing of nancy pelosi, and other lawmakers. the behind the scene moments throughout the day. we know the narrative if the former president has put out their blaming that see pelosi for january six. this video completely, if you didn't believe that was a lie already, this completely undermines that narrative. totally and absolutely. what was your take away from some of the footage that we saw, and what are you hearing specifically from some of the footage that we saw. specifically of pollution other lawmakers? >> this footage truly added a lot of color and texture to a narrative that we knew something about already. we knew congressional leaders have been evacuated to this location. we knew that they are working

the phones tiny reach the national guard and governors and that pelosi was on the phone with the vice president. however, to actually see that video of that is a very powerful reminder of everything going on that tanned teacher, the real teen shot that the capitol feast to see the speaker on the phone asking the vice president if usc. at a time when. there was some question over whether heavy thing would turn out. at the same time, there's also somewhat of a contrast this strauss and the narrative that the committee has developed here. that being that we have republican leaders who are in the room, listening to these conversations as pelosi is on the phone, and other democrats around the front, another commercial peters on the phone. they are clued into all of this. now you have some republican leaders who are downplaying the

seriousness of insurrection and have been cast adam lucy's efforts to get help from the national guard. so there's a contrast that is strong. >> joyce vance, some have questioned by the committee did not subpoenaed the former president earlier. do you think it was about the theater of it? considering the fact that it's likely he is not going to show up for testimony. waiting until likely the last hearing to and things with abandoned subpoena former president, her westerville reason for building the case of elastic humans? >> it could be theater. that's an option. this is the congress. but in this situation, and has more to do with the trajectory of these hearings. the january six committee outperformed the public's expectations for what they

could achieve, and i suspect in some sense they may have outperformed their own. they did a remarkable job of unraveling the bits of information, and then if knitting that back together, along with some facts that were already known into this really remarkable narrative that they put side-by-side with footage of rioters overrunning the capital, along with people in congress. along with folks in the pro champ camp this, stop the steal movement, having their conversations. and work that was done at the willard war room. and they put together this very much total package that we did not have before the committee began its work. it is likely that they were unclear about whether bag reach a point where it would be critical to hear from the former president. but they have made that case. they've made it abundantly clear and now, certainly is an appropriate time to issue that subpoena and perhaps a few others. >> two spence, nicholas, where

you are busting run for me as we continue this hour on january 6th and the possible last and final hearing of the jitters's committee. for now i want to pivot back to portland oregon where the president is currently addressing the nation. >> the last time i was here import linda talked about the bipartisan infrastructure law. the investment were making ten modernize the airport, fix roads and bridges, across the strait. to get better water, get rid of lead pipes, internet, a whole range of things. today i'm here to talk about what my introducer talked about. lowering drug cross, costs for americans across the country. i know it has been a rough for five years for a lot of people. we have been a lot of progress. folks are still struggling. we can't can ourselves about that. when i think about the way my dad used to think about it, my dad was a really fine in. he was well read, never got to

go to college. and he was a sales person. my dad used to say that everybody deserves a bit of breathing room. just a bit of breathing room. and if you said at the end of the day, the end of the month that kitchen table determine whether you're able to pay the bill say month, and have a little bit left over. if you have just a little bit left over, just a little breathing room, well that is all with this is about. what we are about. a lot of people don't have any reading room. that's especially the case when it comes to health care and prescription drugs. that is why senator wax leadership, and not because i'm here and because he's my friend, there's a snow malarkey is my mother would say. all kidding aside. he is the chairman of the finance committee. he has done more to get the most significant legislation never passed other than the actual passage of medicare and social security. and that anybody has the united states congress. standup.

because look. i really think all the inflation reduction act. buffalo certificate lots of history when it comes to helping family spectacles. at the end of the month. and we talk a bit about prescription drugs today because it's an important day for those on medicare. you pay more for our prescription drugs than any other nation in the world. and by the way, it is seeming track track. not just see drug, the same manufacturer. we pay considerably more than they do in france, canada, spain, anywhere around the room. and there sometimes to get. who listens to. four years we've been trying to fix the problem. big pharma has stood in the way. when i was a young senator i was fighting the farmer trying to get prices reduced, but there is no way to get it done. four years there has been no check on how fast big pharma

can release drug prices. this year alone, drug companies racer price of more than 1000 drug tire than the rate of inflation. this year alone. and guess what? it into anything else. it's not likely found a new way to make it better. the same exact drug. 1200 of them. the average price increase rose on the strikes over 30%. 30%. it's just wrong. it is simply wrong. between merkley and that other guy just talked about in the senate. in 1922 the price for one blood pressure drug that millions of medicare patients, beneficiaries rely on, went up by 500%. 11%.

another you scituate autoimmune conditions can creased by $1,000 this year. those of you on, you know that what i'm telling you is. true it's outrageous. this year the american people one. for the first time, big pharma lost. now if big pharma tries to raise drug prices faster that ablation, they will have to write attract medicare govern the difference. they will not be able to do it. they will cover the difference. and look, instead of that money going to the pockets of drug companies, it was on your pockets. the full form of lower drug prices. there is more money at the end of the month to pay those grocery bills, get your car, repaired buyer grandson a birthday gift. that is important stuff. and that the inflation reduction act gives medicare the power to negotiate lower prescription drug costs.

for the first-time. by the way the power is, you make billions of dollars of medicare because who purchased drugs you make for the elderly. guess what? this time around we are going to say, we are only gonna pay so much for that drug. take it or leave it. you either sell at that price or we are not going to buy it. that is when i say, make the price come down. that is how it is happening. because if you're able to do that through the va, all the veterans benefits my son when he was dying got. so, it is about time. we have been fighting for this for a long time. a long time. soon as you see that out of pocket costs for prescription drugs kept it $2,000 a year, whatever the expense of the drugs. some of the cancer drugs cause 14, $15,000 a year. well guess what? when this kicks in, no senior will have to pay more than

$2,000 a year for all of their drugs, no matter what. all of them. all of them. and folks. i know the names of these pieces of legislation are just boring, but the inflation reduction act caps the cost of insulin for seniors on medicare at $35 for prescriptions. instead of $400 per prescription, $400. do you know how much it costs to make that drug? $15 to make it impacted. 35 is a lot of money compared to 15. they are going to make a good profits. they were charging sometimes 300 times as much. and folks, look, if you want to cap for everyone including, i want to cap and we all. did the members of a delegation, my democratic delegation here today. we wanted to cap for everybody. as an example, i was down in

virginia timing like this. a woman stood up when i was talking and said, i have two children on insulin. they if they don't get their insulin they could die and they could have serious consequences. and i don't have enough insurance, at a private insurance or can't afford it. and i can't pay for it, i don't qualify for anything. and she started to cry. imagine being a parent, having your dignity stricter vehicles. looking at your child, knowing what they need. and knowing you have to cut pills in half. you have to share this material to children for one. folks, guess what. republicans in congress, not one single republican voted for any of this. but they got enough votes to block taking care of non medicare patients. so that mother still is going to have that problem. that mother still gonna have that problem. and folks, it costs $10 to make

that insulin. ten. the drug companies have been charging 30 times. i said 300, i misspoke. 30 times. it might as will be 300 for this really needed. imagine being that parent. and i'm not gonna ask, excited when embrace anybody. there's a lot of people in here these with slim my guesses, raising your hands messy. that and it's expensive itself >> yesterday. >> well, we are going to keep fighting for lower costs, for the cost of, living for insulin for children and families as well. because the inflation reduction act, seniors in medical care part irrefutable get the regular vaccines like shingles vaccines, vaccines for without any co-pays. they've been paying an average of 100 to $200 a month for the shots. nothing, zero. you are gonna pay anything for these vaccines. it is starting this week, when making it is a big deal.

we're making hearing aids more affordable. or else we can add more formidable over the counter so that people don't have to pay the expensive -- . this week, this monday will start to heat adds and your store shelves. and the fda estimates that it will save patients as much as $3,000 for a pair of hearing aids. today marks the beginning of medicaid's, they call it opened woman period. so when senior script plans for next year, they will be able to take advantage of the progress evade. that is a law. for use, fee if you pay for medicare to governor businesses if this is the doctor's office was gonna. now the first time in more than a decade they are going to go down. earlier this week we announced that social security benefits are going to go up an average

of $144 a month. starting next year. soon you will be ahead of inflation for the first time in ten years, social security checks are going to go up, while medicare premiums go down. and folks, that is a big deal for ordinary people, people in medicare. yesterday i signed an executive order directing the department of health and human services. within 90 days, but atlanta desk finding additional whistler prescription drugs for seniors. we are not just focus on seniors. thanks to two run right here for making it easier for feel is a medicaid to keep your kids insured by getting rid of paperwork they don't normally have to do every year. rogan residents with serious medical needs will get help finding housing, healthy food city can avoid expensive hospital stays and business emergency room. earlier this, week the treasury

department took action to fix the problem those wing it harder for families to afford health care coverage for their spouse or child. the so-called family glitch, it was referred to as. under the old rules working almost want as long as she could later employer piece coverage for herself, she couldn't qualify for premium subsidies for the affordable care coverage for family. well now million people are going to get that coverage and pay lower premiums. lassiter a family of four with help coverage to the affordable care act, they saved an average of $2,400 because of the american rescue plan decided law. now the inflation reduction act locks in place those lower premiums for millions of families. they are not going to go away. >> but folks, let me tell you

something, every single democrat in congress would have been issued action-packed. every single republican voted against it. every single one. house and senate. not only that, now the congressional republicans are telling us that their number one priority if they win, their number one priority. this isn't the pamphlet, is to repeal the inflation reduction act. let me be clear what that means, if you're republicans in congress have their way, it means a power just gave medicare to negotiate lower reception drug prices goes away. the 2000 dollar cap on prescription drugs for seniors goes away, gone. the 35 dollar a month kapan insulin goes away. god. savings on health care premiums we just got from elites americans, gone. and of course, not just inflation reduction that you want to get rid of, we also want to get rid of the affordable care act. that means the end of

redactions returns millions of people. the only reason people can't afford expensive insurance get it is because they the formal care excess that you can't lock someone with pre-existing conditions. the use of able to say no, you can't get it. it is a big deal. >> you're listening to the president speaking portland oregon. wondering why in fact the president is an organ. in a reliable blue state, democratic state. it's because he is campaigning on behalf of the democratic governor there in a very tight governor's race. up against christine jurors and as a republican. tina kotex, who stomach at governor, and betsy johnson who is a former democrat but now and independent as well. the president is arriving there to campaign on behalf of tina kotex addressing of course many of the economic those americans are facing in dealing with right now. many peoples we've been seeing

here at msnbc and nbc addresses a fact that the economy is the number one issue for so many voters heading into the midterm election. specifically inflation, prescription drug prices, along with health insurance. the presidents specifically touting the inflation reduction act in addressing hound act it will really reduce the price of prescription drugs along with providing more access to health insurance crossword for this that need it. families, specifically in the lower income brackets. we will continue to monitor the president in portland oregon as he continues to deliver remarks. anyone who said he makes, we will bring it to you. we do want to continue on with our january six special on msnbc. the committee hearings that are continuing. the sound of monte play for you. but your surveilled. we want to talk about accountability. that's with the january six

committee goal has been. not for the rioters on the ground, but for those at the top of our government. >> what donald trump proceed into after the 2020 election is something no president has done for in their country. in a staggering betrayal of his oath, donald trump attempt plan that led to an attack on a pillar of our democracy. it is still hard to believe. >> here's the question, though. are they gonna achieve it? we will take a look at what came out of the trump subpoena. if criminal referrals are in the cards or favorable charges could come from the justice department. that conversation is coming up next. coming up next next with the freestyle libre 3 system, know your glucose and where it's heading. no fingersticks needed. now the world's smallest, thinnest sensor sends your glucose levels directly to your smartphone.

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foot soldiers who stormed our capital. those who planned to overturn our election and brought us to the point violence spills been cast. >> a call for accountability from liz cheney during this week's january six committee hearing. as we move, for formal that accountability take? >> with me again, nicholas wu, unjustly. vance joy summer just go to you on this. i find this movie fascinating. and what a great view section three of the 14th amendment. there's so many questions about it. but let me for folks to what that is. it provides for the disqualification from office of any person who is engaged in insurrection rebellion against the united states, or has given it or compared to enemy sarah. this is space the possibility that the former president can be kept from running again for public office, president the

united states if his team to insurrectionists. my question to you is, how it's one the insurrectionist? who makes that decision lawfully? >> it is a political question. it requires a vote on the hill. for folks who like the 14th amendment strategy, it makes the midterm elections even more important. it would require the democratic majorities that don't currently exist unless a lot of republicans were to break party ranks and join in. so while the strategy has gone into you smell, and some states and is being considered and others, it is less viable of a possibility really when we are talking on a federal level, whether that is your sitting members of both houses of congress, or the former president. >> so when it comes to democratic majority that is not necessarily going to happen because votes are there. nicholas, let's double back

then for a moment as we look ahead to what could be a final hearing. this might in the last one, there might be another one. specifically might be the delivery of its final report. do they have a timeline for that report would look like, what the committee aims to share in the final four? >> the committee has made it clear that they want to put out this final report before the end of this congress when their time is up. of course with only two and a half months left in this congress, all signs point to this arriving sometime in december. at the same time we know that the committee is still taking in tens of new information as they writing this report. yesterday, for example. thursday rather far example they mentioned the over million documents that they got from the secret service. that they are still working through, there still calling witnesses back in to corroborate and cross reference previous testimony that have gone. there is some element of

working right up until the variant here with the selectivity. in the end, this means that there will probably be this final report in december and there might be some kind of interim product or so other sort of the puck out in the next few weeks before the midterms. >> nicholas, what is the word impossible criminal referrals at this point? are they even talk about that? have they given any indication as to whether or not they want to move forward with any criminal referrals? >> it is something that members brought up during thursday's hearing. how criminal referrals are still on the table for people and how members of the committee of made it clear that they think the former president committed crimes related to january six. however, whether or not the committee decides to say explicitly that, to make this kind of criminal referral to the doj carry some kind of political value but doesn't

have that much practical effect. we've already seen that to your tree in the investigation of january six and other times overturn the 2020 election have in many ways exceeded with the select committee has been able to do and how the advance the ball in their own ways. we will have to wait and see how the committee had suspect, let's clear is that the committee and doj are moving on their own very separate tracks on pat. >> joy, so we don't actually know what the investigation is looking like when it comes to the doj's january six investigation. someone i spoke to an air yesterday said that when it comes to accountability, there might be recent believe that if there is more there when it comes to the dialogue documents, it may be a choice of moving forward with that first kind of any criminal liability with january 6th considering all

that we've learned so far with the documents you sent mar-a-lago. >> the problem the doj ultimately face here is that the mar-a-lago prosecution maybe v. sphere one. it is simple, or more of a straight line. the evidence is relatively easy to compile. as opposed to the fact that january 6th is still the sort of gelatinous mass. it's not entirely clear whether there was linkage between the former president and some other groups like the oath keepers and the proud boys. doj we know the answer to that. we haven't really seen that clarified in public. but although that is the more difficult case, if you had doj, that is more compelling case. if you have a sitting president who can participate and insurrection, it leads it, conspires that's part of it or somehow animates it in an effort to hold on to power, to overcomes the will of the american people, in many ways you are compelled to prosecute that case, whether it's a case

for considered just conspiracy lori conspiracy to interfere with government process. and doj will take that obligation very seriously no matter whether they, where they end up landing on that. i don't think the two cases are mutually exclusive. i hate saying it is unprecedented, but it truly is. we have never had a president to gauged in so much criminality on so many different fronts. and so doj will have to face a decision based on the evidence in the law here. >> to a scab, think. you nicholas wu, thank you as well. after the break everybody. does the insurrectional boil down to the former presidents desperation to not lose election and avoid the embarrassment that would follow? the evidence certainly makes it seem that way. >> what are we going to do here, folks? i only need 11,000 votes. fellas, i 11th of votes. give me a break. give me a break. give me a break.

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embarrassed in the, and that appears to be with all the events leading up to january six and since then, have been about one man's fear, being embarrassed. thanks for joining, me now for the special, we're looking to the january 6th hearing. be sure to tune in, do a full re-era of the committee hearing tonight, six committee tonight on msnbc i will be back on the chair tomorrow, 2 pm eastern. simone starts right now. we >> greetings, you are watching simone. a stunning hearing by the house committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol. they have new evidence this week of former president donald trump was at the center of a premeditated effort to overturn the 2020 election and ended with a unanimous vote to subpoena trump to testify. now the imperative made a claim, the failure to act on the part of the fbi and the secret service. does not dispute intelligence that they had well before the